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Earlier this week, Ed Shultz had on T.Boone Pickens to talk about his 'Pickens Plan.' I listened to the show and was O.K. with most of what Mr.Pickens said. A lot of people were upset with Ed for having a guy who funded the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which if he had not helped to fund, might have gotten us off of foreign oil 4 years ago with a Kerry - Edwards victory. But that is not the real issue.
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During the interview T. Boone said he was interested in getting the United States to move from Foreign Oil to Domestic fuel sources, such as natural gas.
Ed then asked him about alternative energy.
T. Boone said he believed that it could be
"Battery technology or hydrogen" but that it would take about "20 years to transition to that technology" and we would need an interim source, such as natural gas.

And then Ed said- "well, actually GM, Nissan and several other car companies are going to start all plug in cars in the next year." EXCEPT HE DIDN'T.

That is what makes me most concerned. If people constantly hear this kind of crap about 20 years and a conversion to natural gas instead of renewable energy, then it will make it harder for Obama to present the bold legislation to get us to a renewable energy future. We have the technology and the resources, all we need is the leadership to convert to ALL CLEAN ENERGY very soon.
Even Al Gore has challenged us to be completely clean energy in 10 years, as seen on the
We Can Solve It Website.
I myself have interviewed scientists from the National Renewable Energy Lab and energy activists and have heard first hand, that we have all the wind and solar energy we need to power the country and a completely electric transportation sector.

So we know we have had the resources for a while, at least since the 70's but have lacked the political will. (Perhaps starting with Reagan removing Carter's solar panels from the White House.)

I thought at first Ed was letting T.Boone get away with this red herring because he was being polite or because of the nice ad revenues T.Boone is putting up.
It doesn't matter, because now it has been revealed that T.Boone is really selling us a complete load of crap to make himself richer.

(hattip to Kevin Drum of Washington Monthly)

Pickens wants to build his electricity transmission facilities on a strip of land 250 feet wide and 250 miles long that starts at his farm in Roberts County, Texas, and terminates in Dallas. Why that particular strip? Because Pickens has been buying up massive water rights from the Ogallala Aquifer and he wants to pipe that water to Dallas at huge profit. Unfortunately, pipeline right-of-way is pretty hard to acquire, so Pickens figured out a way to get some help: he formed a little water district headed by his wife and a friend and then convinced the Texas legislature that water plus wind electricity was a good reason to use its power of eminent domain to hand over the land to him for a song. Wind power wasn't really the motivation for this land snatch, it was just a sweetener for a water deal.

Clever — and typically Texan, no? Still, why not just sell the electricity? Why the natural gas switcheroo? Turns out Pickens has a vested interest there too:

Along with being the country's biggest wind power developer, Pickens owns Clean Energy Fuels Corp., a natural gas fueling station company that is the sole backer of the stealthy Proposition 10 on California's November ballot.

....But a closer read finds a laundry list of cash grabs — from $200 million for a liquefied natural gas terminal to $2.5 billion for rebates of up to $50,000 for each natural gas vehicle. Much of the measure's billions could benefit Pickens' company to the exclusion of almost all other clean-vehicle fuels and technology.
So the windmills are an excuse to condemn land for a water pipeline, and the natural gas piece of the plan benefits Pickens' NG fueling station company. And while natural gas burns cleaner than oil, it's still a fossil fuel that's found mostly in Russia and the Middle East. Increasing our dependence on gas does little in the long term to promote energy independence.

So there you have it. T.Boone is not the patriot i thought he was.

Update: Just now, Ed is saying he is not sure about T.Boone because T.Boone is saying Biofuels have "run their course" and he is not sure if T.Boone is right with that.
I will say that T.Boone is giving us an advantage in showing how the republicans are breaking ranks. Other than that, i think he is using his money to make more money and that is all. We don't need to wait 20 years, and we certainly don't need our progressive leaders giving him free access to our ears without a challenge on their falsehoods.
Hope you read this article Ed, and take T.Boone down a notch.

Originally posted to wade norris on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:41 AM PDT.


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  •  tips or flames? (14+ / 0-)

    Ed is still my hero, but don't let T.Boone get away with this crap.

    UP News - News from the people, not corporations UP News

    by wade norris on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:45:16 AM PDT

  •  T Boone (1+ / 0-)
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    is playing an angle, and I think it is this:  Wind power (of which I am highly skeptical) has accumulated so many tax incentives and advantages that it is a Sure Thing, profit-wise.  However, he needs The Guv'mint to clear the way for and build a vast infrastructure of high capactiy power lines to tie his empire into the grid, even if it ends up producing, in fits and starts, less than one percent of the power we use.

  •  Might as well (3+ / 0-)
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    Get Cheney out of retirement and have him design Obama's energy policy.

    Anyone think da Bone is doing it out of the goodness of his heart? Because he's patriotic?

    No, he wants a piece of the pie and he'll try and use fear to get the largest piece...

    Supporting his corrupt ideas would be like voting for one of the Keating 5 for President...oh....

  •  I am very skeptical of him, but I think we should (0+ / 0-)

    at least consider listening to him.  It would be better having him wiht Obama than against him. Maybe he can use that same connections to keep swiftboaters off Obama.  Oh knows, it is for Obama to decide, not me

  •  Ed panders to advertisers (1+ / 0-)
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    I've been listening to Air America Radio daily since their launch.  I think Ed Schultz has a bad habit of giving his advertisers (such as T.Boone and the gas additive) way too many plugs during his show.  It reminds me of Howard Stern (I don't listen to him, but I do remember him shamelessly plugging Snapple).  I'd rather have someone like Mike Malloy during the day.

    •  i think overall, for people that might be (1+ / 0-)
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      searching the dial will hear Ed and will like his personality. That is super important, because he is a 'converso', aka a former republican who can talk to republicans.
      but, Ed is still saying T.boone is ok, and that is not ok. Hartmann would not let him get away with a statement about '20 years'

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      by wade norris on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:54:55 AM PDT

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      •  Besides Ed being such a tool (0+ / 0-)

        and his habit of calling progressives "lefties," I find his Rush Limbaugh sounding voice just a bit too much to take.

        "They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality...and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening."

        by Sagebrush Bob on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:29:05 AM PDT

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    •  Not On Air America (1+ / 0-)
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      Schultz is on the Jones Radio Network.

      He regularly plugs a snake oil mileage booster. This goes far to diminish his credibility.

      Air America has so many tacky commercials that it's a pain to listen to.

      Peter B. Collins would be a great replacement for 'Big Eddy'.

      •  i am not advocating switching Ed (0+ / 0-)

        he has never been under the thumb of anyone - just like what we saw with Randi Rhode's incident.
        i think Ed also plays an important role as a former rightie and top notch athlete - as a talk show host on a sports station, we need more Eds and Keith Olbermanns to counter the conventional wisdom that lefty liberals are basement blogging nerds that throw like girls. (if that's you, sorry)

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        by wade norris on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:21:03 AM PDT

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  •  skeptical, but use him like he's using us (1+ / 0-)
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    clearly he using wind as a Trojan horse, everything is in the 10-20 year horizon like it always is.  then 10-20 years go by and we're using gas in our cars.  But if he wants to talk wind great, now lets tether him to it.  and now that we got the facts on the water deal, we hold him accountable and question his other motives.

    John McCain gets economic advice from subprime mortgage banking lobbyist

    by gaspare on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:52:42 AM PDT

  •  You can call Ed and tell him! nt (0+ / 0-)
  •  I've been hearing that 20 years meme... (2+ / 0-)
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    for the last 35 years!

  •  my first thoughts about his 'air' commercial (2+ / 0-)
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    was what makes anyone think that if T.Boone has the market cornered on wind generated electricity, why we wouldn't pay extravagant sums for it? I mean, consider the source...
    He was against it before he was for it.
    He's just getting in on it early, as peak oil plays out.

  •  Democrats Solved Energy Indepence 30 Years Ago (1+ / 0-)
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    "The energy crisis is Real!" --Jimmy Carter, advocate of national energy independence and green energy program, shortly before being run out of office by Republicans including big petroleum interests.

    The problem is that Pickens and his ilk got rich dismantling an energy independence program they could have gotten rich supporting back then. But probably not as rich and as fast as they did by creating today's energy independence crisis.

    So that's one important reason to hold Pickens at arms' length.

    The technical aspects of the plan are others.

    Ed Schultz is a passionate progressive blue-collar-oriented voice we desperately need a wider hearing. He's intending to prove that progressive talk is very commercially viable so there are going to be areas where he's more big-business friendly than we all would prefer. This is one.

    Despite such a strong commercial orientation he's been a pit bull about putting impeachment on the table, of all things, which he says caused the elected Dems to be infrequent guests on his show.

    He offered whole-show guest spots to all the Dem candidates last year but only Kucinich accepted; maybe one other?

    So at least a commercial act has been in some ways on our side more vigorously than some of our reps.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:12:47 AM PDT

  •  I'm happy (1+ / 0-)
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    Guys who I have almost always considered the enemy are coming around on things like weaning the USA off of oil.  Yes, it doesn't erase Pickens past nor his true ulterior motive ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$) but it's good to see people moving.

    OH-16: John Boccieri will finally end 36 years of Regula Rule.

    by marcvstraianvs on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:14:43 AM PDT

  •  Ed is in T. Boone's Pocket (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks to a commercial that runs twice an hour on "big Eddie's" show.

    And, I don't believe a word either of them says.  They are lying about clean tech as Wade pointed out.  Plug ins are 2-5 years away, not 20.

    Swiftboat liars are liars, period.

    Three be the things I shall never attain: Envy, Content, and sufficient champagne. --Dorothy Parker

    by M Sullivan on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:15:45 AM PDT

    •  precisely (0+ / 0-)

      i hope that Obama will pass a law as soon as he is in office that every federal vehicle will be a GM plug in. That will get GM's wheels turning and our economy back on track.

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      by wade norris on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:18:32 AM PDT

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      •  Rewarding GM (0+ / 0-)

        and other American car makers for being willfully obtuse about technology and what buyers wanted in a car just seems wrong.  I know it will save jobs, but it leaves a bitter taste...

        Three be the things I shall never attain: Envy, Content, and sufficient champagne. --Dorothy Parker

        by M Sullivan on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:25:32 AM PDT

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        •  true, we have had plug in tech (1+ / 0-)
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          since the 90s (who killed the electric car)
          or earlier, just google Tesla's experiments 100 years ago.
          we need leaders that will defy the corporate stranglehold on our energy and resources, because they really are and should be, free.

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          by wade norris on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:30:21 AM PDT

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  •  We Need Greddy People (2+ / 0-)
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    Unfortunately, we're going to need greedy old businessmen to realize that they can make a killing off green energy before anything seriously gets done about this.

    And, I know the natural gas thing is a sham, too, but I think Pickens will at least get some new people thinking.

    Why can't kids today learn to pinch-roll their pants?

    by Grumpy Young Man on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:17:27 AM PDT

  •  Obama, Pickens, Cavuto (0+ / 0-)

    Video Link

    Go Obama!

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    by Pluto on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:21:51 AM PDT

  •  Ed says that ethanol is great too (2+ / 0-)
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    Ed's a tool. A lot of what Pickens is saying is true but he's not saying these things for altruistic reasons. He stands to profit handsomely from use of liquified natural gas as fuel.

    "They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality...and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening."

    by Sagebrush Bob on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:23:46 AM PDT

  •  Listened to Ed once (0+ / 0-)

    I listened to Ed once....and immediately afterwards fired off a note informing him that he was a pansy and an easily manipulated simpleton....I do understand however that he does have some facility for reaching simplistic dittohead types.

    V V

  •  Pickens is of course half-right, (0+ / 0-)

    and we owe him a debt for putting out all these adds this summer featuring him praising wind power and saying that this is a practical solution FOR RIGHT NOW, which actually does much to counter the Republicans' drill-here, drill-now idiocy (which sadly, still seems to be winning "the debate").

    There is a sliver of an argument to his natural gas idea because I've read natural gas is a more efficient energy source than gasoline. But on balance I still think--in terms of economics, in terms of national security, and in terms of global warming (depending on the feedstock used to produce the biodiesel and ethanol, the sophistication of the process used, the modes of transportation and transmission used in the process, etc.) that it's the "growable" fuels that should and will win out.

    Bizarrely enough, even his swift boat history is now an asset for us, since it makes him a more credible voice to those Americans who otherwise wouldn't be listening to these energy arguments.

    •  no credibility. He does/says what pays HIM. Not (0+ / 0-)

      what helps the world.

      He paid out to the swifties to make a buck. Now he's doing this to make a buck.

      AND he hasn't paid the vets who won the bet he made, himself.  Instead he added last minute clauses, after proven wrong.

      he's a liar. A cheat.

      There will NEVER be redemption for a man this evil and there will never by a way he's an asset to anyone but himself.

      however, the first three letters of asset DOES describe him.

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