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Ok, so Hillary delivered a nice speech.  She couldn't take 10 seconds to respond to the Hillary voter now a McCain supporter?  Once and for all make it clear; John McCain will turn the country back 40 years by overturning Roe v Wade.  If you support a women's right to choose you must support Barack Obama.

I've also had enough of the "honorable man" bullshit we keep hearing about John McCain.  I guess the Democrats still have not learned a damn thing from 2004. The Repubs mocked Kerry's Vietnam injuries.  Mocked his service.  And this from people who were either "excused" or felt he had more important things to do than serve his country.

If the Republicans were running against John McCain, they would remind people about his adultry, they would remind people how he sold his soul to be the nominee and they would certainly remind people how his temper makes him a dangerous man.  He is not a stable man.  They would have multiple commercials about McCain starting WW IV.  Cause this is what this man wants.  He will start a nuclear war.

The Democrats have been handed this election on a silver platter evidence by the potential enormous congressional pick-ups and still won't win it. They want to be nice.  They want to run honorable campaign.  And like typical Democrats being RIGHT is more important than WINNING.  ENOUGH!!!  Either grow some balls or have fun trying to change things from the Senate.  Otherwise stop wasting my time and money.

Originally posted to SoBeDem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:58 AM PDT.

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  •  Well, youy are so (8+ / 0-)

    important that Barack Obama should never "waste your time." What a bunch of self indulgent bs.

    Barack Obama and Joe Biden are going to win.  Get used to it.

    "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

    by TomP on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:00:45 AM PDT

    •  Um, seen the recent polls? (5+ / 0-)

      Obama's lead has all but evaporated in the face of relentless GOP fear-and smear-mongering.

      Just like Kerry's did in 2004.

      Kerry ran a nice-guy positive convention in 2004.  He had his head handed to him.

      If the dems don't spend at least one night tearing the GOP a new a**hole, and instead want to turn this into a contest of personailities ... well, what the diarist says.


      "When the going gets tough, the tough get 'too big to fail'."

      by New Deal democrat on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:09:35 AM PDT

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      •  I think the Democrats are doing just (4+ / 0-)

        fine at the Convention.  You obviously did not listen to Kucinich, Schweitzer, or Clinton last night.

        "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

        by TomP on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:11:11 AM PDT

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        •  The problem is that neither did the American (1+ / 0-)
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          public.  Clinton should have delivered some zingers like Schweitzer did on McCain.  I mean she spent all of 1 minute going after McCain.

          •  Did we listen to the same speech? (4+ / 0-)
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            Now, go spread some peace, love and understanding. Use force if necessary. - Phil N DeBlanc

            by lineatus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:50:20 AM PDT

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            •  The person you are replying to... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...clearly has not heard the speech nor read a transcript.  So "No."

              --- It's SPELLED "TooFolkGR" but it's pronounced "Throat-Warbler Mangrove."

              by TooFolkGR on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:08:56 AM PDT

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              •  Wrong I heard the speech. It was great, but it's (0+ / 0-)

                the same type of "positive, uplifting" speech that we heard in 2004.  Yes there were some mild shots at McCain, but she didn't even refer to his 7 houses, or Phil Gram's statement claiming that the American people are whiners.  People say that they like uplifting speeches, but the fact is that in reality they prefer hard hitting speeches.  Look at the RNC's convention in 2004.  They had crazy Zell Miller deliver a prime time speech in which he essentially called John Kerry, a bona fide war hero, a traitor.  And yet the American public ate that speech up.

                Maybe I'm way too cynical, but I just don't think that Americans will ever vote for hope over fear.  I've just seen them fail to do so on so many different occasion.  My observations lead me to believe that our best chance for victory in 2008 is to make the American public scared of 4 more years of the same BS.  We should play up the fact that McCain doesn't have the temperment to be president, and that due to his notorious temper he can not be trusted with his finger on "the button."  This line of attack could also turn his POW status into a liability since everyone knows that sadly, POW's are likely to suffer from mental disabilities like post traumatic stress disorder that may make them unstable and unfit to be Commander in Cheif of our armed forces.

        •  Don't forget the keynoter, Tom (0+ / 0-)

          What's-his-name. He was remarkably ... something.

          You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god

          by Clem Yeobright on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:32:23 AM PDT

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      •  Actually, not true (0+ / 0-)

        Three week slide, followed by an upswing over the past week and a half that has resulted in Obama being somewhat comfortably ahead again in projected EVs by all the estimators (pollster, RCP, 588,, etc.) -- not his projected 335 high of late July, of course, but good trends. And all but the daily national trackers have stabilized or returned in his direction.

        Liberal parenting funnies at The Hausfrau Blog

        by jamfan on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:06:15 AM PDT

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    •  Yep, I trusted the Al Gore and the John Kerry (5+ / 0-)

      campaign too.  Unfortunately they both woosed out and refused to go negative.  I agree with the diarist.  We need to rip McCain a new one because unfortunately negative campaigns are all that seem to work in politics and I can't stand the thought of 4 more years of this bullshit!

      •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
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        Both of those guys ran terrible campaigns.  Don't you remember how Gore tried to shift his policy after every new poll.  Remember how he pandered to Floridians on every issue--including taking on Lieberman as a vp.  I hated Gore to the point where I was going to vote Nader right up to election day (last minute conversion to Gore).

        Kerry was milktoast from day 1.  Never understood nominating him.

        But I am fired up about Obama.  And millions like me are too.

        Obama is not Kerry.  2004 is not 2008.

        •  That's BS (0+ / 0-)

          "Don't you remember how Gore tried to shift his policy after every new poll"

          Nonsense. Gore ran on a solidly progressive platform: Prosperity, Progress and Peace with a strong focus on the environment.

          "Remember how he pandered to Floridians on every issue--including taking on Lieberman as a vp.  I hated Gore to the point where I was going to vote Nader right up to election day (last minute conversion to Gore)."

          Yes, FL was a must win for Gore. No, he didn't pander in any serious enough degree compared to what other politicians usually do (voting for the Iraq war, eg, would qualify as "serious pandering". Gore opposed the war strongly in 2002, even though he was then the leading prospective candidate for the Dem nomination in 2004.)

          Lieberman selection was probably influenced by that strategic plan centered on winning FL and JL likely did help put FL in play. However, as things stood in 2000, Lieberman was a moderate Democrat with a strong record on the environment, and on civil and reproductive rights. And, he also pledged to abide by Gore's progressive platform.

  •  Hillary hit a grand slam... (4+ / 0-)
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    nothing less...

    Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:15:16 AM PDT

  •  You're spouting off the Media's narrative (4+ / 0-)
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    Once again, we see the mainstream media narrative come through here - and this person is just trying to divide and conquer the Dems. OK, sure, I appreciate a good pep talk - but this diary largely reinforces the Right's spin on things...let's Move On. I'd suggest - if you're so concerned - get out there and do some voter registration or volunteering to help improve the Dems' chances.

    No way. No how. No McCain. - Hillary Clinton, 8.26.08

    by Blue Liberty on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:26:52 AM PDT

  •  Sadly if the current trend continues... (1+ / 0-)
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    Obama is heading for a 3-4 point loss nationally.  The fact is that Hillary Clinton mortally wounded the Obama campaign after it was mathematically impossible for her to win.  I really believe that the Clintons and others like them really do not care about the people.

    It really is all about power. This could have been an historic moment but it will not be.  I am not being pessimistic, just stating my opinion based on the evidence available.  Also, continually reminding the American voters that McCain is "an honorable man" (yeah right!)  does not help.  My one complaint for Barack is that he should not have abandoned his core message of "hope" and "change".  Screw the specifics, people do not care about it, if they did Gore and Kerry would have won in a landslide.  Once he got away from his basic message of hope, he is just another politician, a black one at that and thus he cannot win.

  •  Let's you and him fight (1+ / 0-)
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    You're parroting the CNN lines. The meida wants a big nasty brawl. Why play into their hands?

  •  Take your Demsnottoughenough (3+ / 0-)
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    TooFolkGR, BasharH, maxxdogg

    "rant" and shove it where the sun don't shine.

  •  Dont be like the dishonest GOP (0+ / 0-)

    There is a way to strongly attack but tell the truth.

    McCain=Bush 3rd Term--US worst nightmare; Stop Republican obstructionism- Elect a Democratic Majority.

    by timber on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:57:31 AM PDT

  •  Be sure you dont go out and register any voters! (5+ / 0-)

    Nor should you donate money, nor should you do any canvassing or phonebanking or volunteering of any kind.

    No No. Your job is to be a "democratic strategist" on the blogs. Thats your contribution to victory.

    With him from the beginning, with him until the end.

    by brooklynbadboy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:01:37 AM PDT

  •  This is Original And Enlightening (0+ / 0-)

    You have added much to the discussion that was lacking.

    --- It's SPELLED "TooFolkGR" but it's pronounced "Throat-Warbler Mangrove."

    by TooFolkGR on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:07:12 AM PDT

  •  I disgree with almost every point in this diary (0+ / 0-)

    "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country"

    by Barth on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:15:01 AM PDT

  •  Let me loan you a clue here... (0+ / 0-)

    Any "Democrat" who is still spouting off that they are going to vote for McCain instead of Obama isn't really a Democrat.  It doesn't matter if they are registered as one if they've been brainwashed into voting Republican't.  Therefore, you can call them Hillary supporters if you want, but in my book, they're Republican'ts.  So let them be.

    I'd like to see how you think Democrats have been handed this election on a silver platter.  Sure, the general environment is favorable to us, and it still is.  But I don't see how anything has changed.  You want to believe all these polling agencies -- go right ahead.  But while you're complaining, the rest of us will keep donating and volunteering to actually, you know, work to win this election.  So go back to the armchair and wait for Monday morning when you can do more quarterbacking.  The rest of us have some serious work to do.

    Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come -- Victor Hugo

    by BasharH on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 06:16:22 AM PDT

  •  Gee... (0+ / 0-)

    Did it never occur to you - SoBe - that one might want to save ones strongest and most effective ammunition for the ACTUAL BATTLE - a battle which only began in earnest 2 days ago?

    Political campaigns are fought in SEPTEMBER and OCTOBER - not in July and August (when 80% of America is on vacation and not paying the least bit of attention?

    I suggest you not go into political campaign strategy as a career.

  •  I wasn't happy with Carville on first night but (0+ / 0-)

    We have to stop being nice. We don't have to make a pact with the devil like the republicans have, we just have to forcefully, aggressively tell the truth. And there's a lot of it. And stop calling McCain an honorable man!

    Despite what the public says they want, the high road does not lead to the White House. Just look at the impact of McCain's ads.

    You know the repubicans will use every hour of every day to attack Obama. People aren't going to be saying how mean and nasty they are. They're going to be saying what a bunch of wussies those democrats are.

    Mark Warner as a keynote speaker was pathetic. The fired up speakers don't even make it to the cable shows.

    I hope Biden shows he is an attack dog tonight.

  •  I agree!! (0+ / 0-)

    The democrats SUCK and putting together a winning campaign.

    This should be a massive democratic win this election cycle, but it is going to be super close in the end b/c we don't play to win.

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