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Hello everyone. This diary probably won't be the most substantive (not like most are on Fridays, esp. while Palin is part of the news-cycle, right?) but as a newbie to the whole election thing what better place to go than here?

Anyway after keeping up with the RNC and getting a load of the big speeches and the lovely propaganda piece we were treated to yesterday, I decided that there is too much at stake and I refuse to let there be 4 more years of this crap. I've no money to donate (hard enough just getting by as a college student in today's economy) so I decided to join a student group at my school affiliated with the campaign to volunteer. Still receiving information but I believe the focus will be on voters in Indiana, like registration drives and calling voters (I go to the University of Illinois, so my state's no toss-up).

So here's where I need the help, and I admit I feel kinda lame and dorky saying it: besides the fact that I've never done anything like this, I don't think I'd be any good at it. Suffice it to say that I am not all that great in social situations (I suck at approaching or initiating anything with strangers, even in low-stress situations), but I think I have a lot I can offer if I can get over that initial barrier. I'm sure maybe part of it is somewhat psycho-somatic (I struggle because I'm pre-primed to think I'll do so) and after some practice I'll be better at it.

I guess what I want to know is if there's any tips/advice you can give me about it. If anything, maybe it'll make me see that there's less to it than my anxieties make out. But I think if anyone can tell me, you friendly folks and help =).

Sorry if I come across as a spazz. I am self-conscious about it but what would be better than working to over-come that while helping to get Obama elected? Not sure about you but as an engineering major anytime you can multi-task in the same operation is a good thing. Okay bad humor, I apologize. Seriously though, any words that can be offered are appreciated!

Originally posted to ronin122 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:07 PM PDT.

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  •  Tips, preferably words over recs =P (49+ / 0-)

    Since I hate no-text responses, on a random note of amusement I somehow got TU status last night and first time I saw it was when I went to rec K.O.'s comment about the 9/11 video. Just thought it was funny timing, that's all.

    •  Try not to tug on the crotch of your pants (11+ / 0-)

      when you're talking to someone. Other than that, I'm sure you'll do fine.

    •  The first time I had to speak to a jury (16+ / 0-)

      I was terrified.  I've never cared for speaking in public, kind of shy, and struggled in college and law school with being so shy and soft spoken.  A judge told me to speak as if I were talking to friends, people I already knew. To my surprise, it really helped me.  I don't know that it works for everyone, but it sure helps me get past my inherent shyness. I'm not shy with people I know, only strangers.  If they are a friend, they aren't a stranger.  It also  helps when you really, really believe in what you are saying!

      Hey, Nine-House McCain, I lost my house, can I have one of yours? Like HRC says, not a moment to waste, not a vote to spare.

      by RoCali on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:13:58 PM PDT

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      •  The irony of me (6+ / 0-)

        I actually don't struggle with public speaking when I must (speeches, oral reports, etc), but I'm in such a zone I don't hardly think of it. It's when it's more personal when I struggle, but I think I can try like you said. I just hope I don't come across as overly strong (I happen to do that with those I'm more familiar with).

        •  I'll be rooting for you (7+ / 0-)

          and I'm confident you will do fine, because you obviously have the desire to.  Please, let us know how it goes for you?  Thanks for helping elect Obama.  And congrats on the TU status.

          Hey, Nine-House McCain, I lost my house, can I have one of yours? Like HRC says, not a moment to waste, not a vote to spare.

          by RoCali on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:19:30 PM PDT

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        •  I have the exact same problem! (2+ / 0-)
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          I'm actually pretty good at giving talks and large audiences don't bother me in the slightest but somehow I've always been nervous and stammery and disjointed and gaffe-prone when speaking one-on-one. I've slowly reached a point where I unconsciously go into "speaker" mode when I need to, interviews and introductions and the whatnot. (What's odd is people tend to think I have an accent when I'm doing this so I can tell my whole cadence and manner of speech shifts even if I don't mean it to.)I still hate talking to people I don't know, not because I dislike the people but because I almost always walk away feeling like an idiot.

          Good luck! I admire that you're willing to give this a shot!

        •  I feel ya (2+ / 0-)
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          I can totally relate to your fear/phobia.  I even feel a bit stressed putting comments up here, but what works for me is the telephone.  I haven't done any calls for Obama yet from fear of losing an undecided.  But what has worked best in tele-sales has been having good script to keep focused and stutter free, adding a few "Ma'am and Sir"'s to keep it polite and give the customer a sense of control.  And some kind of way, my voice/accent change slightly depending on the voice on the other end of the line, but that's probably not important.  Anyway, if you think the phone banking thing is for you, send me an off-site email.  Maybe we can test the script with each other.  If not, know you're not alone and Good Luck.

      •  good advice----almost no one likes phonebanking-- (6+ / 0-)
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        sele, wader, kaye, triv33, RoCali, ronin122

        some here claim to, but for most people it is probably not their favorite thing to do.  
         I always sortof take a breath and start dialing.  I plunge in because of the vital importance this time and need to feel I'm doing something to help.  I started out following the script but learned I had much more success just chatting as I would with a friend, as rocali suggests.  Either on the phone or with canvassing, I always try to relate some familiarity with their location or ask if they're getting that bad storm etc.  You run into all kinds and learn to ignore the rude ones and move on.  Most people are at least polite.  Many are fun and interesting.  
         If you believe in this cause, you'll be surprised how easy it becomes.  Just prepare with a few key Obama qualities and policies which will make a difference in their lives.
         Registering voters would probably be the least intimidating starting out.
         Thank you for deciding to become active.  It's people like you who are willing to put themselves out there, even when it's uncomfortable, who will make the difference.

    •  I have no advice, but wanted to give (11+ / 0-)

      you props for getting involved. Remember that you're doing more than 95% of people.

      "Give 'em Hell, Harry!"
      "I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's Hell."

      by davewill on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:17:45 PM PDT

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    •  Treat everyone like they're your family... (10+ / 0-)

      if you be nice to them, tell 'em they've got on a cool shirt, ask 'em about their petunias, or whatever, they'll usually be cool to you. Of course, there'll always be that rude-ass uncle who tells you to go to hell, and you just gotta ignore him. It gets easier, I promise. Remember--people are ALL people. They all love, they all have some disappointments, and they all poop. That's what I remember. Everybody poops. After I introduce myself, first thing I ask is what issues are most important to them. If you get 'em talking about themselves, they're more likely to open up to your ideas. Good goin' kid. I'm proud of you. And you're not the only one for whom this is the first time. Just remember--everybody poops.

  •  Practice and more practice (14+ / 0-)

    The more you do, the easier it become natural.  Like riding a bike or tying a shoelace.

    When we got into office, the thing that surprised me most was to find that things were just as bad as we'd been saying they were. -JFK

    by optimusprime on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:12:09 PM PDT

    •  Yes and you know what? (6+ / 0-)
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      Record your voice.  Play it back.  Try to sound natural and keep doing that until it seems natural.

      I am a poet and I do readings and my first one, I was so nervous!   I bought a voice recorder and practiced until the next one - and it went off with flying colors!

      Best of luck to you & thanks for becoming active!

  •  The best advice I can give is..... (5+ / 0-)
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    kainah, kaye, siberia9, Ivey476, ronin122

    LEARN THE FACTS!   If you know what the truth is, and as much detail as possible then you can talk about any issue.  Don't let freepers get away with a bad initial frame and make sure to keep the conversation on topic.  When you begin to rebut bullshit with facts, freepers tend to go off on a tangent, bring them back home and keep pointing out how they should not let fats get in the way of making an opinion.  Also, it's ok to have a President who likes to read and knows that the world is a little more complex than black and white.  Good Luck

    I will own my 1 home after 108 more mortgage payments. F@%K YOU AP! I Miss Droogie

    by rogereaton on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:14:07 PM PDT

  •  Be comfortable (7+ / 0-)

    Whether you're making calls or knocking on doors, the campaign gives you a script. I'm telling you: don't use the script word for word. You feel awkward reading it to the person - it sounds phony and robotic. Be real... put your own spin on it. And don't get discouraged if the first few contacts don't go as well as you'd like - with practice, you'll develop your own style. Nothing's more fun than really connecting with a voter. Believe it or not, you're gonna make a big difference.

  •  Good for you...stepping out of your comfort zone! (8+ / 0-)

    Following some of the others leads... the first couple of times will be awkward, but once you give it a few goes, you will easier and easier.  Don't be afraid, stand strong.  We dems have truth on our side, and most hoosiers are friendly.  And if they get nasty, say thank you for your opinions and emphasize that you will respectfully disagree, then move on.

    There is one thing about being in situations out of town where you feel silly (i.e. I only do karoake when out of town), you will probably never see those people again!

    Good luck!!

  •  If you try phonebanking (10+ / 0-)

    Practice several times.  It will start to sound natural.  Call friendly parties and try out your script on them.  Accept that the first day won't be your best ever.

    I'm terribly shy and that's how it worked for me.  You'll be fine.

  •  Is (3+ / 0-)
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    your basic concern that you want to knock doors but have high anxiety about approaching strangers?  

  •  Calling is easy! (4+ / 0-)
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    After the first few calls, you get your groove.  Practice to yourself before you do the first one, have a script...something that feels natural to you, the way you would normally talk.  Then dial away.  We're working on independents right now.  Most people are polite, even if they've made up their minds for the other guy already. Anyone voting Obama is charged up and many people want to chat.  Have fun with it, the more you do the more comfortable you become!

  •  good luck! (5+ / 0-)
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    I'm also a student but unfortunately am overseas so all my help with the campaign is via internet. I don't have much advice to give you consequently, but I wanted to just say THANKS for getting involved!

    •  hey overseas! (2+ / 0-)
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      use skype to make calls to swing states. We sure could use your help.

      It really cheap for unlimited calls but if you dont have it, post to the blog and i'm sure someone will cover it for you for the next two months.

  •  be patient with yourself and (4+ / 0-)
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    see if you can get a little help with a bit of rehersal. If you know clearly and simply what you need to communicate it's much easier. And a sense of humor is very important. There is always somebody else new to volunteering too. Good luck to you.

    ..."For beauty," I replied. "And I for truth,-the two are one; We brethren are"... E. Dickinson

    by peagreen on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:18:33 PM PDT

  •  go canvassing with a group first (11+ / 0-)

    I'm 41 and was really scared the first time. Best thing was to do it with someone else who has done it before and really likes it (now I LOVE canvassing it is seriously addictive)

    That's my advice.
    Once you get comfortable canvassing phone banking and all that is easy. I still prefer canvassing to phonebanking but...go canvass first with a buddy.

  •  UIUC or UIC? (4+ / 0-)
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    kaye, siberia9, soms, ronin122

    I'm in Urbana. If you're in Urbana and you come down to the farmers' market tomorrow, I can hook you up with the local Dems, who table there every Saturday. It's a much more laid-back situation, kinda preaching to the choir, mostly, but a good way to start if the cold-calling makes you nervous.

    There are too many of us who have withdrawn into our private lives because we think public life has nothing to offer. That has to change. -- BHO, 2004

    by LBK on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:19:44 PM PDT

    •  UIUC, sorry just figured most think of that (2+ / 0-)
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      except us Illinoisans. I can do that definitely!, though I honestly don't know where the farmer's market is (sadly, I should know after all).

      •  Easy! (2+ / 0-)
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        It's one of the best in IL - bring yr friends!

        [That's not bias. Well, it is, kind of, because I manage it, but it's really huge and fun and outside Chicago, it IS the biggest/best!)

        Do you know where Lincoln Square Village is in Urbana? The Market is in its parking lot - you can't miss it.

        Stop by the City tent (orange) at the NW entrance and ask for Lisa.

        :)

        There are too many of us who have withdrawn into our private lives because we think public life has nothing to offer. That has to change. -- BHO, 2004

        by LBK on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:28:46 PM PDT

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        •  Not to reply to my own comment, but... (2+ / 0-)
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          ... I forgot to mention that the food co-op recently relocated to a storefront adjacent to the Market, and it's AWESOME.

          There are too many of us who have withdrawn into our private lives because we think public life has nothing to offer. That has to change. -- BHO, 2004

          by LBK on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:30:31 PM PDT

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        •  I'm sure a lot of my dormmates will be there (2+ / 0-)
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          I live in Allen Hall and the Farmer's Market is pretty popular with them. Hence why I said sad I didn't know where. I think I can find it now. Anyway I hear good things about it. Any particular time between 7-noon or just whenever? Anyway will do. The name's Ryan here =)

          •  Hi! (1+ / 0-)
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            Stop by anytime between 7-noon - if I'm not in the City tent my co-worker can radio me. I like being out and about.

            The busiest time is between 8-11, but I always have a few minutes for a BHO supporter (and can point out who has the best nectarines, bacon, garlic, tomatoes, goat cheese, etc).

            There are too many of us who have withdrawn into our private lives because we think public life has nothing to offer. That has to change. -- BHO, 2004

            by LBK on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:42:35 PM PDT

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  •  just take a breath (4+ / 0-)
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    and dive in. that's what i did. i'm shy and i've never been involved in a campaign, but i couldn't take it more either.  i'm starting  slow and making phone calls.  since the campaign provides scripts, i just follow the introduction and then see how the conversation goes until i get to the point where i can just talk to that person normally.  so far most people have been nice.  a passion for what's right can help override fear and get people talking.

    i'm also thinking there are other ways to help your local HQ - day-to-day stuff like data-entry and fixing computers (if you know any programming), etc.  

    also, i used my friends and acquaintances as my training wheels, informally.  i just started getting used to talking to them about politics, feeding them information and facts, and then - after turning them or convincing them, lightly pressure them to do the same for their friends and acquaintances.  

    bottom line: if you start to share your reasons why you're voting obama, i do believe that you'll get far more used to the whole process.  other people will want to talk too and you'll just need to listen.  :)  good luck!

  •  Do it without the self-critic. (6+ / 0-)

    Turn off the voice in your head that says you're not good at it.

    If it's something you want to do, just do it.  Keep doing it, even if you get some rejection.  You will learn to turn down the volume on those doubts.

    Pain is a part of life. Misery is a choice.

    by smartcookienyc on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:22:21 PM PDT

  •  Do not fear volunteering (4+ / 0-)
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    You will get a few slammed doors, but you're gonna get a whole lot of support from the community that will give you hope and confidence. Seriously, you will. Plus the campaign is pretty good about training you to get out there. If you can memorize equations you can remember political information.

    I personally feel intimidated at every door I have to knock on because I don't know what the reaction will be. Strangely enough, I think about a future conversation with my daughter in which she asks if I did my part. When I think about her, that answer cannot be no.

    You are right. We can't have more of this. Your personal reasons may be different, but if you think of others rather than yourself, it becomes easier. And that is what it's about. Your contribution is important--you may be the one to put us over the top.

    820 Illinois-427 Senate Sponsored-152 Senate authored. Obama record on Bills. Palin record 0-0-0. Palin Lies-1 big one and counting.

    by marketgeek on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:22:50 PM PDT

  •  My tips (5+ / 0-)
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    The First door is always the hardest door.
    The First call is always the hardest call.

    After that, you get used to it. Yeah, you'll be nervous, but everyone is the first time.

  •  Relax! & welcome. You're fine. (6+ / 0-)

    And, you will do just fine.  This country was founded by a bunch of rather young people being their sincere, authentic selves -- and being willing to have the courage to speak up and get involved!  

    Just like you, now.  You don't have to be brilliant or have ALL the facts.  Just find a few of them that you know and feel passionate about.  You can learn more chatting to folks, here, as you go along.

    Hey, my son is 12 and he persuaded his Nana to vote for Barack with one line, "Nanna, you know how I feel about war.  I'm against it unless it's REALLY necessary.  I trust Barack would not take me to war unless it was REALLY necessary.  Please, vote for Barack for my future."

    What Nanna could say anything to that?  

    I had tears running down my face, and so did my Mom.

    You'll find your voice and issue and way to listen and talk to others.  Trust more in yourself - in your heart and mind.  

    And when you are trying to do something for something larger than yourself, you will forget all the stuff about yourself that make you nervous.

    Trust me.  And you will find you will be increasingly able to trust yourself. :)

    Welcome and don't forget to VOTE and get EVERY young person around you to vote EARLY if you are in an early voting state!

    A country without a memory is a country of madmen. -- George Santayana

    by bkamr on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:24:50 PM PDT

  •  welcome aboard and thanks(n/t) (2+ / 0-)
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    "We need men who can dream of things that never were." John F. Kennedy,...experience without good judgement is useless!

    by norahschronicles on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:29:52 PM PDT

  •  Mailings. (2+ / 0-)
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    Here you are with a handful of holes, a thumb up your ass and a big grin to pass the time of day with. - The Wild Bunch

    by jazzence on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:31:00 PM PDT

  •  Welcome. You've taken the first step (2+ / 0-)
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    The campaign will help you.  Like all skills, talking to people takes practice. Sales is an all-around tool that is needed in life.

    Since this product is a product you believe in, it will be easy to do it.  If you read a few of the candidate's positions, you are ready talk about them.  Anything you don't know, you say you don't know.  You cannot know everything.

    Have fun.  Put on a smile.  Show your eager face.

    Thanks for doing the work.  You're needed.

    Our product is community, democracy, and fairness.

    by kaye on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:35:54 PM PDT

  •  you'll be fine. be nice youll find lots of good (3+ / 0-)
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    kind people.  I like registering voters.  Esp. doing it in pairs.  Someone to lean on and say a few words when you can't think of something to say.  (I don't have this problem anymore)  but believe me,  at first I was shy too.

    "hold on to dreams for when dreams die life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly" e. dickinson

    by kansasgal on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:38:14 PM PDT

  •  Check out "Camp Obama" (3+ / 0-)
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    here

    All you need is a bit of coaching and some practice.  You've made the first big step by saying "I'm going to do it".

  •  Some thoughts (1+ / 0-)
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    When I was in high school, I was soooooo incredibly shy I took the really hard civics teacher because the really easy (read: alcholic and apathetic) civic teacher required a gasp oral report in front of the class!

    Now, I can talk to anybody, anywhere, and if you were to ask anyone who knows me know but didn't know me then, they would say there was no way I was shy or socially awkward (which I was, PAINFULLY).

    What changed?  The realization that people think a whole lot less about you than you think they do.  Spend a minute, and think about all the people you've met that have done really stupid, silly, rediculous things.  How many have you come up with?  My bet is, probably not many.  AND, my bet is, the reason you are uncomfortable is that you are afraid of what other people will think of you.  They don't.  Just like you don't think of other people once your initial contact is over.

    Know why you support your candidate.  Talk to the people you are comfortable with.  If you can answer their objections, take the chance that you can answer other peoples objections.  But I think you'll be suprised that it won't be as difficult as you are afraid it will be.

    Last but not least, if you are really concerned about contact with other people, ask if there is scut work you can do....entering info into a computer, driving around and delivering lawn signs....there is something for everyone.  But really, people don't think about you as much as you think they do!

  •  Obama organizers (1+ / 0-)
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    will take you through a short training session should you choose to go canvassing.
    I've canvassed twice now and it gets easier every time.
    I think that you will like talking to people face to face.
    Also, people tend to be nicer in a face to face talk than on the phone.I've met McCain supporters and they have been just as nice as everyone else.

    You can go with an experienced partner if you like, and that way you can see how someone else does it.
    There are many canvassing events on Barack's website.
    That's the best place to sign up.
    Probably you can carpool with a group.

    I'm excited for you.You will meet some very interesting people and have an experience you will never forget.
    Imagine how good you will feel when Barack wins and you know that it was because of what you did.
    Good luck and Yes We Can!

    McSame/Palin '08 Advancing women's rights - to the Eisenhower era

    by Interceptor7 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 06:03:05 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for the words of wisdom, everyone (0+ / 0-)

    I feel a lot more comfortable about the idea now. Probably going to go do my own thing now for the night but I feel a lot more capable now!

  •  You'll be fine. It's not hard to sell a (1+ / 0-)
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    product that you believe in!!!

    "Patriotism is usually the refuge of the scoundrel. He is the man who talks the loudest." Mark Twain

    by fortuna on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 06:18:28 PM PDT

  •  Advice on registering voters that might help (1+ / 0-)
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    How to REGISTER VOTERS

    When you register voters, ask them if they are registered.  If they say yes, say, "you know many people think they are registered, but if you have moved within the last several years, you may not be registered.  If you register now, you will be sure that  you can vote."

    Five steps for voter registration:

    1. Eye contact
    1. Strong, positive language
    1. Keep it short and simple
    1. clipboard
    1. Accuracy

    I,  am XXX, a member of XXX.  Would you like to register to vote?
    If they say yes, ask "Have you moved recently?"  

    Are you interested in helping

    If they need to register:

    Give them the clipboard as you show them the form.

    Accuracy is important for successful registration.  
    They need to supply their Name, last 4 digits of Social Security number.
    If they aren’t comfortable with that, they can give their full drivers license number.

    Try to fill the form out for them so that you can assure the information is legible.  If it is not legible, they will not be successfully registered.  
    If you fill out the form, you can assure it is filled out clearly.  Say, "If you’d like, I can fill it out for you."  Make sure they sign it.

    We collect all the information, and put it in a phone bank so that we can mail them later.

    If they are rushing, you won’t be able to read the form and they won’t be registered.
    Make sure they sign.

    Either LAST four digits of Social Security number OR FULL drivers license number.

    Excuses people have for not registering with a new person on the street:

    Make sure you are familiar with the form so they know how to help and answer questions.

    Don’t take no for an answer; be positive.  All reasons for not registering or not voting are valid.  Follow these with an affirmative statement.  Then follow with a reason that they need to make sure they will have the opportunity to vote in November.
    For example, if the person were to say, "All candidates represent the same thing, but they don’t represent me, so I’m not bothering to vote."  You respond with, "yes, I can see why you would hold that impression.  However, if you find out that you like a candidate between now and November, you will want the opportunity to vote.  So it doesn’t hurt to register so that you know you have the opportunity should you decide later that you want to vote."

    (double check this by state).
    If someone states that registering will place them on the jury list, which is a common misunderstanding, you might respond, " I understand why you wouldn’t want to be on the jury duty list, however, just having a valid driver’s license puts you on the jury duty list.  Registering to vote will not affect whether or not you are called for jury duty."

    If someone states that they are registered, you might reply something like the following, "If you haven’t voted for the last four years, you may have been removed from the rolls. Registering will assure you can vote in November."

    If they say they have registered, say, "that’s great.  We need more people like you.  But you have to vote regularly to remain on the rolls.  If you aren’t sure, we can register you so that you will be certain you will be allowed to vote in November."

    Ask them to give you a list with friendly names first (e.g., calling to ask people who have already donated if they would like to volunteer).  

  •  BTW, the experience with the public (1+ / 0-)
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