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Research 2000 for Daily Kos. 9/15-17. Likely voters. MoE 4% (7/28-30 results)

McConnell (R) 50 (49)
Lunsford (D) 37 (38)

Remarkably little movement in the last month and a half, and McConnell is right on that "safe" 50 percent mark, so it looks tough. But check out this line from the internals:

McConnell: 19
Lunsford: 65
Undecided: 16

These are southern Dems, so you can always expect a significant proportion to defect to the Republican in federal races. But a big chunk of that undecided are Dems who distrust Lunsford given his history of stabbing Democrats in the back (by such things as endorsing a Republican for governor a few years back). Lunsford has worked to repair that damage and appears genuine in his efforts, but as we've seen with some Clinton primary supporters, distrust can linger on.

Those undecideds wouldn't be enough to win the race, of course, but it would tighten it up. Obviously, Lunsford still needs to bring some of those McConnell Democrats home, as well as reverse the independent numbers (currently breaking for McConnell 52-36).

As for the presidential, this was a 56-35 race back in late July, and it's a 55-37 race today. Again, no real movement from last time.


The Research 2000 Kentucky Poll was conducted from September 15 through September 17, 2008. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone.

Those interviewed were selected by the random variation of the last four digits of telephone numbers. A cross-section of exchanges was utilized in order to ensure an accurate reflection of the state. Quotas were assigned to reflect the voter registration of distribution by county.

The margin for error, according to standards customarily used by statisticians, is no more than plus or minus 4% percentage points. This means that there is a 95 percent probability that the “true” figure would fall within that range if the entire population were sampled. The margin for error is higher for any subgroup, such as for gender or party affiliation.


Men                  288 (48%)
Women                312 (52%)

Democrats            274 (46%)
Republicans          228 (38%)
Other                 98 (16%)

18-29                100 (17%)
30-44                194 (32%)
45-59                192 (32%)
60+                  114 (19%)

White                527 (88%)
Black                 52 (9%)
Other                 21 (3%)

QUESTION: Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Mitch McConnell? (If favorable or unfavorable ask if it is very or not):

                 VERY FAV       FAV        UNFAV     VERY UNFAV    NO OPINION

ALL                 17%         34%         22%         21%          6%

MEN                 19%         38%         19%         18%          6%
WOMEN               15%         30%         25%         24%          6%

DEMOCRATS            4%         24%         33%         33%          6%
REPUBLICANS         32%         47%          9%          6%          6%
INDEPENDENTS        17%         32%         21%         21%          9%

18-29               12%         30%         29%         27%          2%
30-44               19%         36%         17%         18%         10%
45-59               15%         31%         26%         23%          5%
60+                 22%         39%         16%         16%          7%

QUESTION: Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Bruce Lunsford? (If favorable or unfavorable ask if it is very or not):

                 VERY FAV       FAV        UNFAV     VERY UNFAV    NO OPINION

ALL                 12%         35%         31%         13%          9%

MEN                 10%         32%         35%         15%          8%
WOMEN               14%         38%         27%         11%         10%

DEMOCRATS           18%         48%         15%          6%         13%
REPUBLICANS          5%         21%         49%         22%          3%
INDEPENDENTS         9%         32%         35%         14%         10%

18-29               15%         40%         27%         10%          8%
30-44               10%         33%         33%         14%         10%
45-59               13%         38%         29%         12%          8%
60+                 10%         31%         35%         16%          8%

QUESTION: If the election for U.S. Senate were held today would you vote for Bruce Lunsford the Democrat or Mitch McConnell the Republican?

                   MCCONNELL   LUNSFORD    UNDECIDED  

ALL                 50%         37%         13%

MEN                 54%         34%         12%
WOMEN               46%         40%         14%

DEMOCRATS           19%         65%         16%
REPUBLICANS         87%          5%          8%
INDEPENDENTS        52%         36%         12%

WHITE               57%         33%         10%
BLACK                6%         68%         26%
OTHER                6%         62%         32%

18-29               46%         43%         11%
30-44               54%         33%         13%
45-59               48%         38%         14%
60+                 56%         30%         14%

DISTRICT 1          52%         36%         12%
DISTRICT 2          55%         33%         12%
DISTRICT 3          41%         47%         12%
DISTRICT 4          54%         32%         14%
DISTRICT 5          52%         35%         13%
DISTRICT 6          50%         36%         14%

QUESTION: If the election for President were held today would you vote for the Democratic ticket of Barack Obama and Joe Biden the Republican ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin or another candidate?

                   MCCAIN      OBAMA       OTHER       UNDECIDED  

ALL                 55%         37%          2%          6%

MEN                 59%         35%          2%          4%
WOMEN               51%         39%          2%          8%

DEMOCRATS           26%         68%          1%          5%
REPUBLICANS         87%          4%          2%          7%
OTHER               65%         27%          4%          4%

WHITE               62%         31%          2%          5%
BLACK                4%         87%         -            9%
OTHER               10%         71%         -           19%

18-29               47%         42%          2%          9%
30-44               59%         34%          2%          5%
45-59               53%         40%          2%          5%
60+                 61%         32%          1%          6%

DISTRICT 1          58%         34%          1%          7%
DISTRICT 2          59%         33%          2%          6%
DISTRICT 3          40%         51%          3%          6%
DISTRICT 4          60%         32%          1%          7%
DISTRICT 5          57%         36%          2%          5%
DISTRICT 6          56%         36%          2%          6%

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  •  This one is a lost cause... (3+ / 0-)
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    Pager, get the red out, Hill Jill

    Bush will be impeached.

    by jgkojak on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 08:42:05 AM PDT

    •  Is Lunsford just another mConnell dressed... (0+ / 0-)

      in "Blue"...!?!?

      I do NOT understand the reason for lack of movement.

      19% Democrats supporting mConnell...that's a problem!

      What's their [the 19%] story...!?!?

      Confront all issues in a timely manner...

      by 2questions on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 09:02:24 AM PDT

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      •  You (0+ / 1-)
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        don't know wtf you are talking about and that's a shame.
        Are you supporting John McCain?
        My bet is yes you are!!11

        The Hillbilly, James Pence

        by HillbillyReport on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 02:26:43 PM PDT

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          Confront all issues in a timely manner...

          by 2questions on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 03:27:03 PM PDT

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    •  I'm sad to say I agree. (0+ / 0-)

      McConnell is headed back to DC. Let's put our money into a race where we have a genuine chance of picking up a seat.

      What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast?

      by Pager on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 09:08:28 AM PDT

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      •  but doesn't that negate our 50 state strategy? .. (1+ / 0-)
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        ...the only poll that really counts is the voice of the voters on November 4th. Who can say with dead certainty that we won't pull-off an upset against McConnell? I for one am sick and tired of watching him lie day-in and day-out on the floor of the Senate about how we Dems don't get anything done, when it is the obstructionist policies of repub leaders like old Mitchy-boy and John "cry baby" Boehnor who have stood in the way of progress for all Americans since we won the majority in 2006. They can't have it both ways, and we should never concede any seat to them without a fight! And remember this, every dollar we spend against McConnell has to be countered with money from the RSCC that they could've otherwise spent against Obama.

        "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

        by ImpeachKingBushII on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 09:23:09 AM PDT

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        •  No, it doesn't. (1+ / 0-)
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          Because good folks like you can continue to send him money and good folks like me can choose to send my money to a race that we have a chance of winning. See how that works?

          And let's face it, the Dem in this race sucks.

          What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast?

          by Pager on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:02:21 AM PDT

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          •  guess I let my disdain for McConnell cloud... (3+ / 0-)

   judgment a little bit. It's hard to understand that (evidently) the best candidate we can field is Lunsford. I wouldn't presume to know the local political climate in KY or try to influence how you choose to contibute to our cause. We're all on the same team here. I'll continue to support Obama and my own Dem rep Senator Jim Webb and fight for Mark Warner as well. If I had my rathers, I'd like to see President Obama start his term with a veto-proof, repub obstructionist-proof majority in both houses, and esp. a Senate minus Mitch McConnell.

            "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

            by ImpeachKingBushII on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:28:09 AM PDT

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            •  I definitely agree with you. (1+ / 0-)
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              We're on the same team, my friend. You got that one right.

              What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast?

              by Pager on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:43:45 AM PDT

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            •  Thank you from Kentucky (4+ / 0-)

              You're right on the money. Progressives have a chip on their shoulders about Kentucky.  They think we're all like Mitch because he keeps winning.  It's very difficult to knock off an entrenched powerful Senator and we will need every progressive in the country to help.  

              People, at their core, want to put their money on a candidate who will win.  It's fun to be on the winning side.  when we're in a situation like with Mitch, it's tough to get money or any kind of help.  

              McConnell should be public enemy number one to every progressive in the country because of the power he has to affect all our lives. He's gonna be out there working to undercut all our issues and has been very effective in doing so.  But because this race or the next will be hard to win, many of our friends will not  donate to his opponents, blog for us, help us get out the vote--nothing.  Instead they say Kentuckians are a bunch  of inbreds who with Mitch are getting what we deserve.  Nothing very liberal or progressive about this sort of thinking, but as this state has been ignored, trashed and treated like a red-headed stepchild by the progressive blogoshere, I'm not surprised, just disappointed.

              In 2006, I worked my ass off for Jim Webb, donated money, blogged on Raising Kaine and it was when Jim didn't have a chance in hell of winning the primary, much less knocking off Bad George.  I did this because I believed Jim Webb had the potential to be one of our greatest senators.  He has proved me right and is now proving to be the best we have, but he wasn't from my state.

              I was writing speeches for Andrew Horne, one of the "fighting Dems" when Webb announced.  I sent an email to his website asking what I could do to help and actually got a reply from Webb himself.  Pretty soon Webb and I were trying to figure out how we were related, (proof he's a real Scots-Irish Appalachian) and I was off to the races. I had a great time.  I'd never blogged before, but I've been a working writer for the last 15 years.  Lowell Feld was so gracious and helpful, teaching me how to negotiate the blogging world.  So getting out there and working hard for Webb who was not from my state was a remarkable experience.  By the end of the  campaign, I was knocking on doors in SW VA and speaking to people who talked just like I did.  It was great.  

              Here in Kentucky, we need the help of progressives all over the country.  Like Virginia, Kentucky is not just a red state. Many progressives tend to look at us as a solid block of rednecks.  Those of us from Eastern Kentucky are considered ignorant racists.  In fact, there is a mix of people here like anywhere.

              We desperately need help here.  Our mountains are being destroyed by the coal companies.  Our economy is being ravaged by robber barons and though we provide the electricity that charges up Ipods all over the country--efforts like you are making here are rare.  Kentucky is a lost cause because nobody cares about Kentucky.

              There will be hope for Kentucky and the day will come when we vote Mitch out of the Senate--if not this year, then later.
              Thanks for giving a shit about your neighboring commonwealth.

              •  and thank you for not giving up! ... (0+ / 0-)

                ...your comment hits home esp. when I think of senators like Dole and Cornyn. Had conversations with their staffers who (mistakenly) thought that they were senators only of their respective states. By the time I got through explaining to them "you are United States Senators and make decisions affecting 300 million people every day, and as such accountable to ALL Americans" they were really quite livid and intransigent about anyone talking to them that way. After hanging up I'm sure they went and took a cold shower! But I'm not intimidated by them and won't hesitate to speak truth to power. Webb barely won here and you brought out a good point. I hope he never forgets your efforts on his (and our behalf), I know I never will.

                "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

                by ImpeachKingBushII on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 05:43:53 AM PDT

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              •  Don't give up on us! Hillary was here, today. (0+ / 0-)

                I think that may really help. Plus, I'm seeing a wierd thing in Northern KY -- Obama bumper stickers are popping up all around and NOT ONE McCain Palin sticker or yard sign, yet.

                And, all the Bush Cheney stickers seem to have vanished where a couple of years ago, it looked like the freaking RNC Convention parking lot around here.

                Plus, we have a Democratic Gov., this year.  

                Add to it that there is giong to be an Obama Fundraising Tea party tomorrow -- in Boone County!  

                I don't give a darn what the polls say.  People are being VERY quiet about this election, here.  I think there is actually an awful lot of people thinking long and hard about this one and WV is shifting too.  If WV is shifting, that means that Appalachia is shifting which will affect eastern KY rural votes in a way that polls won't pick up -- the vote will be done in private for Obama and not talked about.

                Sent on my wifi laptop ... which was invented by John McCain.

                by bkamr on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 05:49:52 PM PDT

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              •  Got to agree with you, Nick... (0+ / 0-)

                Scot-Irish in Louisville here. Couple of Kentucky's dynamics really throw a wrench into polling properly, although to be perfectly frank the corruption investigation should help sort matters out a little more. Admittedly, Bruce is not the bluest of Democrats and his commercial using McCain I find odd. Bruce will do well in Louisville/Jefferson County and Lexington/Fayette County. If he can peel off Paducah(problem there because Mitch very popular in McCracken County, due to the Gaseous Diffusion mess) or get some traction in the communities surrounding Fort Campbell, it will be a lot closer than polls suggest. Not in the slightest discounting Eastern Kentucky, but I think Bruce may need to look to Western Kentucky(Owensboro and points west) to win it.

                Bigotry is the disease of ignorance...Education & free discussion are the antidotes of both. Thomas Jefferson

                by RiverCityMadman on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 09:41:30 PM PDT

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        •  There is no 50 state strategy (1+ / 0-)
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          Kentucky DeanDemocrat

          Obama came for a brief stop in Ky during the primary, and probably will not be returning. He's smart enough not to waste his money in my state.

          "This isn't for the ones who would gladly swallow everything their leaders would have them know". Mary Chapin Carpenter

          by malenda on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 04:29:11 PM PDT

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    •  Today's Gallup +5 (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama/Biden have quashed the McSame for McNasty to get real down and dirty now..yes even more down and dirty than he has for the racism to start

      Presidential preferences continue to shift toward Barack Obama in the midst of an unsettling Wall Street crisis that is shining a different spotlight on the presidential candidates. Voters now prefer Obama over John McCain by 49% to 44%.

  •  Lunsford's latest ad (7+ / 0-)

    almost moved me back to undecided!  The whole thing is about McCain, and the message is basically "McCain would like me better than McConnell".  I felt like that ad was a slap in the face of anyone in this state supporting Obama.  I was so angry when I saw it that for a couple of hours I decided I would vote in every race but the senate race.  I will vote for Lunsford, but I'm still irritated by that ad and our entire state, which seems to despise our wonderful Democratic candidate for President, Barack Obama.

    Fox news: Even better than meth!

    by get the red out on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 08:44:19 AM PDT

  •  Will Never Vote For Lunsford. Ever. (5+ / 0-)

    It will be easier to get rid of Mitch in 6 years than it will Lunsford.  Lunsford is financing this campaign with money stolen from investors in his healthcare enterprise that failed.
    I also won't ever vote for McFuck.  Ever.
    I will not be participating in the Ky Senate election this year.

    •  I feel the same way. (2+ / 0-)
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      Kentucky DeanDemocrat, Pager

      I'm sitting this one out.  I can't vote for Lunsford because of the nursing home issues.  

    •  I'm not voting For Lunsford - I'm voting AGAINST (1+ / 0-)
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      Mitch.  I want to give President Obama as much help as I can!

      Forget that Lunsford is a jerk.  Pull the lever anyway, so we can up the Senate numbers and get that chief obstructionist OUT of the way.

      We can go after Lunsford in the next primary season.

      Come on, let's ditch the creepy penguin!

      Sent on my wifi laptop ... which was invented by John McCain.

      by bkamr on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 05:54:01 PM PDT

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      •  we won't be able to get rid of Lunsford (0+ / 0-)

        in 5 years so easily.  Lunsford makes my skin crawl as much as McFuck, who won't be nearly as powerful in the next Congress I suspect.  He won't have the money to operate as he has in the past.  Why not just wait for a decent person and a real Democrat like Conway or someone to take the office in 6 years.  We can't afford to have Lunsford.  He'll end up costing the party dearly.  Don't be short sighted and let someone like Lunsford hold any office.

    •  I'm with you. Lunsford = fuckidty bleh fuck (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think I can bring myself to vote for that shyster. Don't get me wrong, I loathe McConnell as much or more than every other progressive in the state does, but Lunsford is horrible. Horrible. I am so disappointed that Lunsford was the best that we could do. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

  •  Dems picked a bad candidate. (nt) (5+ / 0-)
    •  Maybe you folks... (3+ / 0-)
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      imabluemerkin, andrew330, bondibox

      should have listened when we Kentuckians tried to tell you in JANUARY that Chuck Schumer was behind this mess?

      But no, Markos BSd his way through denial after denial.

      Then folks like brownsox trashed the situation involving Col. Andrew Horne, who was forced out by Schumer.

      And then the frontpagers started supporting Greg Fischer, a total failure of a candidate and sell-out (he said he'd support the nominee--  now he's in hiding, allegedly working AGAINST the nominee) who lost in the primary.

      You get what you wish for.

      •  What planet do you live on? (0+ / 0-)

        How is Lunsford a mess?

        You would be hard-pressed to find a guy in Kentucky better suited to run against Mitch.

        Mitch is one of the nastiest campaigners in the country. He would have destroyed Horne and Fischer.

        Lunsford, on the other hand, hasn't cowered or flinched. He's told Mitch the hard truth to his face, that he is an utter failure.

        And let's face it, Lunsford has the resources needed to compete. Andrew is a nice guy, but he didn't have what it takes to run for Senate.

      •  Yeah? (0+ / 0-)

        If we get what we wish for, how come Horne ain't our nominee with a 60 point lead? How come Obama ain't leading in all 50 states.

        Republicans are the "clap hard enough and it's true" party. We work with what we can get.

        The truth is, McConnell is so noxious that it's still worth going to the mat to get rid of him as long as there's a chance that a hail-Mary pass might work. Fuck, I'd happily vote for Joe Lieberman himself to be Democratic Senator from Kentucky. And he'd be an improvement.

        The other bit of good news is that Lunsford is self-funding.

        REPUBLICANS: The Older White Meat.

        by AdmiralNaismith on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 09:48:30 AM PDT

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        •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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          I'm merely making it clear that people who were inactive and didn't take me seriously when the Schumer push came to light.  They blew me off and look what they got?  A candidate they don't like and are afraid to support.

          Folks said it wasn't possible, that it wasn't happening...  and it happened.

          Bruce is a great guy, though, and a worthy candidate and people need to step up to the plate to support him.  They need to stop regurgitating myths borne of hack Mark Nickolas and get on the wagon.

          •  And what eaxctly were people wishing for? (1+ / 0-)
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            Wishing Schumer wasn't pushing? Well, they sure didn't get that.

            Wishing for Lunsford? He was pretty much the last choice of just about everyone here.

            Heck, I didn't doubt the DSCC's interference for a minute. I experienced it first hand in 1996, when my Representative, Pete DeFazio, was tossed aside from an open Senate seat opportunity because DSCC chair Bob Kerrey, who had never been to Oregon, knew that the thing to do was to clear the way for a colorless millionaire to get the nomination.  The colorless millionaire, who immediately ignored his chances until they got bored and went away, has never been involved in politics since.

            The Faz would have easily become our Senator, and we wouldn't be fighting Gordon Smith today, but for the DSCC micromanagement.

            REPUBLICANS: The Older White Meat.

            by AdmiralNaismith on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 12:44:47 PM PDT

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          •  I hate (1+ / 0-)
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            when people whine about the party trying to muscle people out.

            You know who else the party tried to muscle out? Jon Tester. Jim Webb. Did they listen? Fuck no. We got behind them because they were fighters, and they kicked ass -- in the primary, and then in the general.

            So quit the bitching. People who won't stand to pressure from the party ain't worth shit when they have to face REAL pressure from the GOP slime machine.

            To add, no one wanted Lunsford. He was even the DSCC's last choice.

            The person who could've run a seriously competitive race for this seat was Crit Luallen. Unfortunately, she couldn't make the race.

            Well, in 2010 Ben Chandler will pick up Bunning's seat, so long term, we'll continue to work to make this a Blue state.

    •  Email to Schumer (1+ / 0-)
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      When Schumer decided to recruit Lunsford (mainly because he is a self financing millionaire), I sent an email to him, and stopped my contributions to the DSCC. And everytime they call me, I explain that the lack of foresight has doomed us to another six years of Mitch. Lunsford has run for everything, and won nothing. He has openly supported Republicans with his money and his vote. Democrats hold a half million majority in this state, but many cannot stomach Lunsford. I will vote for him, because I want Obama to have a good majority in the Senate, and because I am a democrat. But I will not contribute or work for Lunsford. As I explained to the last DSCC caller, my money and my volunteer time (all of October in Ohio) will go to Obama.

      "This isn't for the ones who would gladly swallow everything their leaders would have them know". Mary Chapin Carpenter

      by malenda on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 04:14:08 PM PDT

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      •  Hear, hear. (0+ / 0-)

        I always said I was a yella dawg democrat, so I'm going to prove it this time around and vote for Lunsford.  It will hurt, because I'd actually rather vote for a yellow dog.  (Actually, I have a very nice golden retriever, with several dozen times the character Lunsford has.)

        I will never, NEVER get past Lunsford cooing over Ernie Fletcher and then participating in his "transition team" that moved Democrats out of state government.

        I will never, NEVER get past Lunsford's contributions to Bush, to Anne Northup, to McConnell, etc., etc., etc.

        Sorry.  The guy plays on the other team.  But I don't.  So I'll vote (gulp) even for him.

  •  I have an issue with this poll (2+ / 0-)
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    It's the same as the problem with the NC poll that SUSA and R2K put up, the number of Democrats and Republicans are way off (I'm pretty certain that at least 55% of registered voters in Kentucky are Democrats, even though there are a lot of Reagan Democrats who vote as though they are Republicans)

    Not trying to be hyper-critical, but I know for fact that there are a lot more Democrats than that in Kentucky.

  •  Hell, the stupid pricks who vote for the (4+ / 0-)

    oh-so-craven McConnell deserve all the bile he pukes forth.  Thing is, other Kentuckians, the good ones who find him as repulsive and sick-making as the rest of us, don't.

    Same goes for Jeff Sessions and the Alabamians who loathe him, Cornyn and the Texans who despise his swinish ways, Chambliss and the decent Georgians who see how obvious a hack he is, etc.


    "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

    by BenGoshi on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 08:49:36 AM PDT

  •  Marist College Battleground Polls (6+ / 0-)

    Obama 49 %
    McCain 44 %

    Obama 47 %
    McCain 45 %

    Obama 52 %
    McCain 43 %

  •  Totally off topic, so flog me if you must... (7+ / 0-)

    But Obama's taking questions from the media about the economy woes right now.

    Gosh darn he looks so....... presidential. You know, like you can look up at him and know that a president has his finger on the pulse of the nation and is gonna try to right things. Like he knows what he's doing/talking about.

    Remember how that feels like? Way back in the before-time; in the long-long ago...


    by Rockpopple on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 08:54:26 AM PDT

  •  Lunsford is doing trying to win (5+ / 0-)

    a democratic seat in a state where he has to completely distance himself from the democratic presidential race.  It is a crazy balancing act here in KY - we have Democratics running with republican platforms while at the same time Republicans trying to distance themselves from Bush.

    I dislike Mitch about as much as anyone but there will be no way Lunsford can pull this out because he is basically stuck in no-mans land....I dislike him for endorsing "Fletcher" (one of the worse governors we have had in years) and for NOT endorsing Obama.  His tactics affects him from both sides.

    "We cannot turn back.. At this moment, in this election, we must pledge once more to march into the future." --Barack Obama

    by Kyman on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 08:56:01 AM PDT

  •  I'm in NKY... (5+ / 0-)

    ...and it's frustrating.  McConnell is so entrenched and has been such a toad for W, but Lunsford is hard to paint as a change Dem w/his nursing care business baggage.  Interesting, used "Neighbor 2 Neighbor" fr O/B website to make volunteer calls and it seems KY's whole Obama organization is volunteers and small groups.  No complaint, the #'s are so crummy here they can spend better in OH, IN and WV.  Just sucks livin a red zone.

    •  I agree... (0+ / 0-)

      I think McConnell's status as the incumbent has carried him alot, despite his toady behavior for Bush.

    •  Wow, I'm not alone! In NKY too. (0+ / 0-)

      Looking at yard signs in 2000 and 2004, I thought our family was the ONLY progressive family in the county.    Having had someone write "baby killers" in chalk on our driveway multiple times and regularly having our yard signs stolen were also special things to remember about those election seasons.

      BUT, this year is different.  No one has stolen our yard sign, and it's been up for over a month.  Plus, are you seeing any McCain bumper stickers? Instead, I'm seeing Obama stickers starting to pop up.  

      It's almost weird how QUIET everyone is being about this election.  I mean people were foaming at the mouth for Bush.

      is anyone else in KY noticing that things well, feel different?

      Sent on my wifi laptop ... which was invented by John McCain.

      by bkamr on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 06:04:04 PM PDT

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  •  Too true (4+ / 0-)
    This state [my state of Kentucky] is so weird politically.  We had a terrible Republican gubernatorial experience with Ernie Fletcher, leading to a Democrat being elected last November.  We have alot of poverty issues, both rural and urban, alot of folks just getting by, and yet this is a solid Republican state.

    The problem is the social issues I'm afraid.  ALot of people hate the economic and domestic problems, both nationally and at the state level.  And yet Republican.  Mainly I think it's issues like abortion and national defense which swing Republican.  ALot of the rural voters are not smart voters.  They're the Levi Johnston "let's shoot some sh*t" type folks who think might is right and vote against their economic interests in favor of a neo-conservative foreign policy.  I'd also lump in the large percentage of white voters in the state.  Minority votes get drowned out except in Louisville and Lexington.

    •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

      I live in back-of beyond and people here LOVE Levi Johnson he's "on of them"  drives me nuts.

    •  Stereotypes (3+ / 0-)

      Rural voters vote the way they do because a national Democrat hasn't passed through places like Eastern Kentucky since Bobby Kennedy did in 1968.

      Mitch McConnell wins everytime because we have to put a self-financing candidate up against him.  Lunsford being a good example.
      If progressives all over the country and in Kentucky would stop and realize rural voters can be convinced to vote Democrat--then maybe we'd have a chance to get rid of Mitch.  Instead, we have this stereotyped hollywood impression of rural Kentuckians that's just not right.  

      The change will come when progressives stop dogging Kentucky and start helping.  If we had half the help Ned Lamont had from the blogosphere, maybe we could fund a proper candidate and with help getting more voters registered and to the polls, then just maybe we could kick Mitch out of the Senate.  

      Mitch should be on every progressives list to beat and they should put their money and energy where it's needed.

    •  Abortion. ugh. (0+ / 0-)

      Sent on my wifi laptop ... which was invented by John McCain.

      by bkamr on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 06:04:41 PM PDT

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  •  Any way to tie McConnell to this Wall Street mess (2+ / 0-)
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    the way McSame is.

    Saying the Iraq "Surge" worked is like saying Thelma & Louise had a flying car.

    by JML9999 on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 09:02:06 AM PDT

  •  Sorry to go off topic, but Obama just gave (4+ / 0-)

    a press conference that made me feel a little better about the trillion dollar bailout the Treasury is planning for our financial markets.

    The main points I took away from his speech and Q&A session with the press:

    1. We need to act globally, and not just look at this as an American problem.
    1. We need to ensure that ordinary Americans are helped, and not just the financial institutions.
    1. This situation isn't going to go away overnight, and it's going to take some time...we need to be patient and keep our minds open.

    Finally, he scored major political points by saying that he wouldn't try to score political points and question the details of the Bernanke/Paulson plan, nor would he offer detailed options on how to do things differently.  When asked about McCain's comments, he didn't attack--he simply applauded McCain for agreeing with what he's been saying, and said he wouldn't get into partisan bickering.

    He spoke calmly, confidently, and he illustrated by showing instead of telling just how different a candidate he is from John McCain.  No bluster. No "I'll fire them here, and I'll fire them now!" bullshit rhetoric.  And given McCain's crappy speech this morning, even the talking heads on CNN seemed to be impressed with Obama's response.

    Of course, all that could change within the hour.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 09:03:37 AM PDT

  •  Senator Tits On A Bull.. (1+ / 0-)
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    Sweet Jesus Kentucky!! Why would you want to vote for a Senator that is virtually useless? Mitch helped bring America the GOP and Kentucky to this point. Why exactly would you be rewarding that? You are satisfied with where we are?

    "But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Barack Obama

    by Sam James on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 09:11:30 AM PDT

    •  Mitch Mc is useless... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...but the average Kentuckian is busting his/her ass in a packaging plant in Paducah or Ashland or waiting for a coal job that's never comin' back.  They don't pay attn to an election.  Mitch scores pts w/cash for a little rec ctr here or a community college annex there, BUT someone has got to make the case that he hasn't done any REAL work for KY at all.  Until that happens, he gets to keep the "Sen" in front of his name.

      •  Mitch gives them the pork projects. (0+ / 0-)

        And, for many of these communities, these projects mean a lot to them and are the only good thing that government has ever done for them.

        BUT, you can count on at least 3 votes against Mitch from our family.

        Sent on my wifi laptop ... which was invented by John McCain.

        by bkamr on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 06:08:57 PM PDT

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  •  Voter trust is one glass ceiling... (0+ / 0-) politician can afford to break with impunity. This applies to McCain-Palin as well. People aren't as stupid as they want us to be. Trust, once lost is almost never recovered. Any politician who ever takes our trust for granted-or stomps on that fragile commodity, regardless of whether they have a D or R after their names, does so at their own peril.

    "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

    by ImpeachKingBushII on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 09:12:16 AM PDT

  •  Why is McConnell going to win? (2+ / 0-)
    1.  Because Lundsford is a loser with no credibility who can't excite Democrats.
    1. Because McConnell is very good at bringing the pork back to this very poor state.
    1.  Because Kentucky is a socially conservative state that Obama isn't even bothering to contest (and that's a good decision by him).
    1.  Because McConnell can raise huge buckets of cash, and Kentuckians are used to and indifferent about dirty money in politics.

    I'm afraid we're stuck with McConnell for another 6 years at least. But we can get rid of Bunning in 2010, assuming he runs again (which he claims he will).

  •  Lunsford no DINO (1+ / 0-)
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    I know that a lot of folks here (not all, as evidenced by Kos' post) have embraced this meme that Lunsford is a "DINO."

    Truth is, he's not. He's not the next Joe Lieberman.

    Is he a pragmatic Democrat is a relatively conservative state? Yes.

    But you know what? He doesn't cower on the war in Iraq- he blasts the administration. He supports universal healthcare. He spoke out against FISA.

    If you have a personal vendetta against Lunsford, then be upfront about it. But dont' label him incorrectly. And please, don't squander our chances to take out the worst U.S. Senator in Washington.

    •  Zohar is correct... (0+ / 0-)

      It's a total farce to suggest that Bruce is some Democrat-In-Name-Only.

      So he attacked an opponent who went McConnell-style nasty on him?  Get over it.

      He's your candidate.  Deal with it.  Focus on the greater good of ousting McConnell from office.

      •  He doesn't inspire enough support (2+ / 0-)
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        to put up a credible challenge to McConnell.  Many Democrats I know in Lexington won't even consider him because of the role he played in Fletcher's election as governor.  
        From the folks I've spoken with, there's a general feeling that Andrew Horne was the people's choice as a candidate, but the self-funding, institution-supported Lunsford drove him out.  Now the activists and volunteers- who are crucial for any democrat to win statewide- are going to focus their efforts on other candidates.  The nursing home issues and his support for Republican candidates are simply too much to overlook.
        I agree with an earlier comment- this race is toast.  Let's focus our resources on races we can win, like Oregon or Alaska.

        •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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          Nothing wrong with Lunsford per se, but he has a reputation and a lot of baggage which many will not see beyond.

          It's interesting that Fischer outperformed Lunsford in the Lexington area primary.  Our Democratic party should have seen that coming, and should have inferred what it would mean in the general election.

          Not trying to be a sad-sack, I told you so, but this is the outcome many of us predicted.  These decisions about our commonwealth were made by senate leadership, who live hundreds of miles away, and that in and of itself is offensive.  Coupled with Lunsford's baggage, and it spells disaster.

          Oh, but Lunsford has the resources to wage a campaign!  I guess that's sufficient to win over all the undecideds, right?

          The fact is, McConnell is so entrenched in KY Politics that love him or hate him, most Kentuckians see him as an asset.  Lunsford brings no new dynamic to the race.  At least Horne could have come at this from a different direction, and that might have been refreshing enough for voters to take a second look.  But between McConnell and Lunsford, there's really nothing to weigh, nothing to contemplate.

        •  You (0+ / 0-)

          focus where you want, but I'm focusing on getting rid  of McConnell. Bruce wasn't my first choice, but McConnell is my last choice.
          Hell if you're satisfied with McConnell then we know where you stand and for folks like me that's not acceptable.
          Are you going to vote for McCain? I'll bet you do!!!!!

          The Hillbilly, James Pence

          by HillbillyReport on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 11:21:15 AM PDT

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  •  Ky Senators (0+ / 0-)

    "The dark and bloody ground," as Indians called Kentucky,
    has probably the two worst Senators in the
    US Congress.
    Shame on them, the drunk cigaret-smoking jerks.
    Self-defeating Kentucky. Very very sad; deep
    south, yet a 'border state.'
    Shame on them. # # #

    •  Thanks for (3+ / 0-)

      the condescending stereotyping of folks like me that bust their ass to make a difference in Kentucky.
      I'll have you know that there are progressives here in Kentucky and we go through hell trying to change this state and all we get here is condescending remarks from folks like you.
      Shame on you and your condescending remark, we need help here!!!

      The Hillbilly, James Pence

      by HillbillyReport on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:50:10 AM PDT

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    •  Horseshit (4+ / 0-)

      Obviously you've never been to the state or met any of us.  We're just like everyone else in this nation.  We may be more centrist than some states, but Kentucky can be won.  

      Yet everytime someone tries to get some help from so-called progressive, you turn your back on us, call us names and say we're the problem.

      We have a strong hardworking group of progressives here you know nothing about.  You sit there and babble stereotypes, not based in fact but in movies and tv shows.  

      Inform yourself and try helping where help is needed.  McConnell brings money to Kentucky and we need money.  Many of us hate  him, but until we can get a candidate who's not a millionaire and until the DSCC takes their boot off our necks, then McConnell's gonna win.  We have good candidates.  Andrew Horne would be a great candidate, but he's not rich.

      It's you people who need to push Chuck Schumer to help us fund candidates like Horne.  You need to send money to the progressive candidates in Kentucky.  We're here, but we're not rich.  Ned Lamont got tons of money from the progressive blogosphere, as if he needed it--but not a dime to Andrew Horne and little was said when Schumer pushed him out.

      If you're gonna be a progressive then you have to do more for states like Kentucky, not less.  And we sure don't need you trashing us when you don't do a damned thing to help us.

      •  Kentucky! (0+ / 0-)

        How do you think I know that KY is called the dark and bloody ground?  My grandfather and uncle were physicians in Montgomery and Bourbon county, and I spent every summer vacation there. I know those people, I am from them, and most of them are a rotten bunch. Fuckin conservative nigger-hating Republicans.
         Hillbilly and Nick I admire you and am glad you are trying to bring change. You are doing it the right way. Sen Schumber is not the right man for KY
        we all know that. You need a bunch of Happy Chandlers and other good old boys with progressive ideas to help reform that state. But by god it IS
        a backward state culturally and in race relations, and you cannot blame that on anyone else.
         I loved it as a child - I could never go back; it is not a place for a progressive damynkee.

  •  McConnell (2+ / 0-)
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    is outta touch. As a video blogger, I've been all over the state of Kentucky and I'll tell you folks here are not happy with McConnell. Last year there were 250 people at his house in Louisville raising hell.
    Berea, Ky. is red as hell, but check this out.
    Berea, Kentucky
    I have videos like these from all over the state.
    This race is not over!!!!

    The Hillbilly, James Pence

    by HillbillyReport on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 10:27:19 AM PDT

  •  if you look at (1+ / 0-)
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    mitch records you can see who he helps, I've lived in ky 38 years never seen him until this year,and how many filibusters has he done to the dem's congress??

    by vet on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 11:43:45 AM PDT

  •  Markos Moulitsas, (1+ / 0-)
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    I realize you are doing your best to change America for the better, but there are times when I think you are more interested in page views and your own financial gain.
    That's why I'm asking you this. Why do you consider Kentucky a lost state?
    It seems to me that the lost states are the ones we need to focus on, but there is no reward for you there. So I ask this question!
    Are you really in for change, or is is all about money? I await your reply, but don't really expect it.

    The Hillbilly, James Pence

    by HillbillyReport on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 12:01:11 PM PDT

    •  but but it's (1+ / 0-)
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      easier to play with the winners, to much work in the down tickets like the ky 01 see how many diary Rdemocrat has posted

      by vet on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 12:18:07 PM PDT

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      •  You (0+ / 1-)
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        better believe it!
        All Markos Moulitsas is interested in is Mo money.
        He don't really give a shit about us folks here in Kentucky!
        Mo money for Markos!!!!!
        Less real change for the United States of America.
        Hey Moulitsas, I'm still waiting for your reply, but don't really expect it.
        If you don't reply, can we consider you a chickenshit, money hungry, right wing neocon asshole?  

        The Hillbilly, James Pence

        by HillbillyReport on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 12:30:15 PM PDT

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        •  Whoah, Kinda harsh (1+ / 0-)
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          I don't agree with your criticism of Markos.  Especially the money connection.

          Seen from Berkeley CA, Lunsford may have appeared to be the stronger candidate.  Or maybe kos was harboring some sentiments which he adopted during the 2006 primary for KY-03.  Either way, his mind was made up.

          What's most frustrating is that anyone could have predicted (and heck, everyone did) that Lunsford would have a lackluster showing against Mitch.  Everyone in Kentucky could see it clear as day, but the meddlers in other states saw Lunsford with rose colored glasses.

          I'm not saying Horne or Fischer could or would have beaten Mitch, but it would have been nice, even empowering, for us to have made that decision ourselves and to let our candidate rise or fall on his own merits.

        •  ALERT: [ - HR] to you 'HillbillyReport'... (0+ / 0-)

          ...this comment includes unsubstantiated attacks and multiple undocumented assertions.

          1. What is the basis for your claims...!?!?
          1. What ‘evidence’ do you bring to the table...!?!?

          ...All Markos Moulitsas is interested in is Mo money.
          He don't really give a shit about us folks here in Kentucky!...

          ...If you don't reply, can we consider you a chickenshit, money hungry, right wing neocon asshole?

          I consider your comments a grave and clear breach of what is expected from all kos commenter.  

          Please refer to FAQ and more specifically...for follow-up.

          You can do better...eventually you will may need to be isolated to do it somewhere else.

          Confront all issues in a timely manner...

          by 2questions on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 07:46:31 PM PDT

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          •  I (0+ / 1-)
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            really don't care what you think! The proof is in the pudding.
            Go ahead act like the right wing neocon press and isolate me. I really don't care!
            More scare tactics from the KOS?

            The Hillbilly, James Pence

            by HillbillyReport on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 07:52:05 PM PDT

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            •  Hill...R:Thanx for the comment reply... (0+ / 0-)

              ...I choose NOT to believe you do NOT care...

              ...really don't care what you think!

              1. Then why comment reply at all...!?!?


              1. Are you just seekin' some attention...!?!?

              " careful waht you seek and...what you ask for..."

              -- Harlan County Kentucky [utter(isms) and...beliefs]

              Confront all issues in a timely manner...

              by 2questions on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 12:08:48 AM PDT

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      •  Mitch sucks (1+ / 0-)
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        by HillbillyReport on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 12:52:28 PM PDT

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    •  This (0+ / 0-)

      makes no sense. Markos has been at the forefront of the national progressive movement, where have you been?

      Just because you disagree with him, it doesn't mean he is all about "money."

      Frankly, your posts on this thread have been nonsensical at best.

  •  southern dems are really limbaugh dems (0+ / 0-)

    same with blue dogs

    the constituents who they say they serve are just talk radio dumb and need to be aknowledged as such.

    ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

    by certainot on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 12:52:23 PM PDT

    •  John McCain (1+ / 0-)
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      The Hillbilly, James Pence

      by HillbillyReport on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 12:55:51 PM PDT

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    •  Excuse me? (0+ / 0-)

      Southern Dems aren't the blue dogs or the conservatives some progressives want to play us as. We're just as liberal as any other Dems from other parts of the country, if not more in some respects (i.e. economic populism). We do have some centrists here and there, but they're the leftovers of a foregone era. The southern Democrats these days are just as progressive as northern Democrats or western Democrats.

      The Democratic establishment here in the south was torn apart by Nixon's 'Southern Strategy' in 1968, and we had to rebuild ourselves up from scratch following the Gingrich revolution and the falling apart of the large majority of Democratic remnants of the New Deal coalition in the south here, causing us to rebuild from the bottom up.

      Every time someone like you says that about Southerners, that we're not "real" Democrats because we've got a few bad apples at the center, I kind of get flustered about it. We're not backwards, we're not racists, or homophobes or economic centrists, we're fundamentally supporters of human rights and populists.

      I could give you mounds upon mounds of Southern Dems who fit that description, real progressives who have shaped our nation's history...Estes Kefauver, Al Gore Sr., Lyndon B. Johnson, Terry Sanford, etc, etc, etc.

      The South is not a lost cause. As Al Gore Sr. said, we've got the potential, and I seriously believe this, to be the most liberal region of the country. We just need our brother and sister liberals to stop treating us like we're not part of the great family of American liberalism and give us a helping hand.

      •  Amen (0+ / 0-)


        The Hillbilly, James Pence

        by HillbillyReport on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 08:47:13 PM PDT

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      •  no, excuse me? (0+ / 0-)

        These are southern Dems, so you can always expect a significant proportion to defect to the Republican in federal races.

        why the hell would any intelligent dem vote republican the last 25 years? those are the southern dems i'm talking about, as in the quote above. doesn't matter where you live.  i don't know lunsford but what kind of dem/progressive/liberal would ever vote for mcconnel?

        maybe i should have said THOSE southern dems, if it fit

        ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

        by certainot on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 06:50:04 AM PDT

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  •  Way to go, Jim (1+ / 0-)
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    Hard to believe these people are really progressive sometimes.  The Daily Kossacks and the 49 state strategy.


    •  They (0+ / 0-)

      Markos Moulitsas, and his pseudo followers are only interested in what's  popular and how they can generate page views and their ego trips.
      What a shame, when they could really be about changing America.
      Has Markos Moulitsas become one of the "Good Ol Boys"?
      If you ask me I say yes.

      The Hillbilly, James Pence

      by HillbillyReport on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 01:34:33 PM PDT

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  •  Is anyone ever going to out McConnell? (0+ / 0-)

    I mean these open Washington secrets should see the light sometime, no?  He and Lindsey Graham in the log cabin?

    •  Check this (2+ / 0-)
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      This hand-written letter was dropped off to Mitch McConnell's Senate office in D.C. this afternoon:
      Dear Mitch,
         Hey there, long time no see. I hope you had a good summer.
         Now... about the whole Yarmuth break-in thing. I know why you are concerned, but I assure you, this type of action is really unnecessary. I've seen the photo, and it's really not something that you should be that concerned about. Contrary to the rumors that are flying around, there is NO PENETRATION in it. It is not that graphic, and you will probably be able to say that it has been photoshopped and sound somewhat credible. Maybe.
         Anyway, I'm sure that you guys are smart enough to know other copies exist, but since you probably didn't find the pic in the office, I just wanted to reassure you: NO PENETRATION. And no penetration = not worth getting caught Watergate-style.

      The Hillbilly, James Pence

      by HillbillyReport on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 01:58:20 PM PDT

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  •  My message to Majority of KY voters: (0+ / 0-)

    You guys are FUCKED UP! McConnell and McCain winning among the 18-29 demographic? On the general election issue, KY voters continue the belief that they won't vote for Obama because he is black. Only the black people in KY are the smartest according to this poll.

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      for your comment. Does this mean we should give up?
      It seems to me you only want to fight when you know you are going to win.
      what's up with that?
      Are you a chickenshit?

      The Hillbilly, James Pence

      by HillbillyReport on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 01:54:23 PM PDT

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    •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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      I live in Ky and the racism is rampant. Many don't openly admit it--they just say Obama is a Muslim. Once, when I went through my spiel (Obama has a past--he did not spring fully formed from a greek goddess's head--he has friends, classmates, and teachers from grade school, middle school, high school, college, law school, work--and not one person has ever come forward to say he has engaged in any behavior which would make you believe he is a Muslim), I was told that maybe he doesn't know he's a Muslim, but he is. How can you debate someone who believes a person is such a secret Muslim that it's a secret even to himself?

      The best way to change this state is to elect Obama, so that he can prove all the naysayers wrong.

      "This isn't for the ones who would gladly swallow everything their leaders would have them know". Mary Chapin Carpenter

      by malenda on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 04:25:37 PM PDT

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  •  We have met the enemy, and he is us. (2+ / 0-)

    I've read through most of the comments, and I'm relieved to see that there are a few other progressives in KY. The problem is that most of us (barring the bigger cities of Louisville and Lexington) really are a bunch of too-religious, right-wing-blinded, Limbaugh-loving, tobacco-smoking, junk-food-loving, overweight, ignorant folks who do meet the stereotypes.

    Outside of those big cities, out here in rural KY, people get their political information from TV ads and preachers. Our public education is (by and large), dismal. Our civic sense is dismal. If we even bother to vote, we vote for the guy who has given us so many nice, shiny, new earmarks. We're mostly white, and an awful lot of us are racists.

    Mitch's latest ad tosses a bone to the non-white community by showing a community center - and the only white guys in the ad are Mitch and a center aide. Gee, he must love black folks after all! He even touched one!

    Until we can develop an educated population that can analyze their way out of a pay toilet, we're stuck with the guy who somehow had enough money as a child to be treated for polio, but who voted against expanding SCHIP. I'm glad his Mom could stay home for his therapy - because nowadays, moms work, too. We'll never think about that, though, because we wuvs Mitch.

    I'm finally starting to see why incumbents are so hard to get rid of. They earmark their way into every community and business concerns give them so much money that the challengers can't possibly outspend them. Even Lunsford can't outspend Mitch.

    Lunsford doesn't seem to want donations, though - I e-mailed his campaign a while back and asked how to donate. I never got a response, so I assume that he prefers to finance his own campaign.

    I have no interest in Senator Lunsford. But I have even less interest in keeping Mitch. So - I have the only Lunsford bumper sticker that I've seen in my county on my car, and Lunsford will have my vote - though I'll have to hold my nose to do it.

    When there's something McStrange in the neighborhood, who ya gonna call? OBAMA! When there's something Palin, and it don't look good, who ya gonna call? OBAMA!

    by SciMathGuy on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 02:41:11 PM PDT

  •  democrats could win in KY (0+ / 0-)

    Democrats could beat McConnell if they ran somebody with a smidgen of political talent against him. Unfortunately, KY doesn't have much of a pool of talent among Democrats.  

  •  Would love to see Educational Rankings (0+ / 0-)

    incorporated on the election Map.  Kentucky is near the bottom in Education.  Low information voters vote for McCain.

    The status quo sucks--George Carlin

    by Paddy999 on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 09:13:58 AM PDT

  •  September 20th Lexington. (0+ / 0-)

    Hillary Clinton:"I think that one of the great gifts Kentucky can give our country is to send Bruce Lunsford to the senate and retire Mitch McConnell on November the 4th."
    Click here to see photos.
    Video clip below:

    The Hillbilly, James Pence

    by HillbillyReport on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 09:16:56 AM PDT

  •  check this out (0+ / 0-)

    another diary by Hillbilly

    by vet on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 11:04:18 AM PDT

  •  How to win in Kentucky (0+ / 0-)

    I was astounded to see this ad for Lunsford on TV the other day.  In it, Lunsford ties himself to McCain and uses McCain's critique of Washington politicos against McConnell.  Unbelievable!  ... Or it should be... but this is Kentucky.

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