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John Conyers (D-MI; Chair of House Judiciary Committee; lead sponsor for HR-676) was the guest of honor at a Physicians for a National Health Program event last night in New York City.

It was a book signing of "10 Excellent Reasons for Nation Health Care" with chapters written by PNHP leaders and other, and an introduction by Congressman Conyers.

I got my "grip & grin" with Conyers:
DrSteveB & John Conyers

And he told the 150 or so of us to forget about Single Payer, forget about getting Rove to testify or impeaching Bush.  Forget about all that.  Because as we learned in 2000, elections matter.

Until after November 4, we should do nothing but WORK to make sure that this election results in electing a President and larger majorities in the Senate and House in order to make those things we want more likely.

On November 5, we can go back to work on each of our individual causes.

Now PNHP is a non-partisan organization.

Representative Conyers did not tell us who to vote for.

He just said that between now and November 4, we must put aside any single issue concerns that we have and to spend 100 percent of our time and energy mobilizing and working to make sure that this election results in real change that we can believe in, that it results in electing a President and a Congress that will really support the issues and concerns that we have.

Yes I can.

Yes we can.

Now, go do it.

Originally posted to DrSteveB on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 09:19 AM PDT.

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  •  tips for single (35+ / 0-)

    minded focuse on the election until November 4.

    More & Better Democrats.

    Then back to a single minded focus on single payer and our other actual issues thereafter.

    •  Well, everyone here seems to be at it (3+ / 0-)
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      victoria2dc, AntKat, bthespoon

      For some reason, my diary ideas I had before the conventions haven't dropped off yet - apparently, I was interested in discussing an independent counsel on the whole impeachment subject...

      Yeah, we're all busting our butts on GOTV.  

      Am counting on us being able to bring our issues back to the foreground in a new administration, including healthcare and impeachment.  I think history requires us to do both.

      •  What? MsGrin? (4+ / 0-)
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        joanneleon, Hens Teeth, bthespoon, MsGrin

        I’m suggesting that you may not be fully aware that we already have the evidence to impeach AND with the ruling that the DC appeals court is to issue soon on the stay, the perfect opportunity and a very small window exists for impeachment if they rule in our favor.

        Have you watched the hearings on cspan? Did you listen to Holtzman/Fein? We could have a hearing (a2fer) as Holtzman calls it. The entire process could be over in a few days if Conyers would stand up to Pelosi and do his constitutional duty.

        Bring the issue of impeachment up in a new administration?

        I guess you aren't familiar with the power of the pardon. Bush can pardon all, including himself, and walk away in January 2009 with the treasury and the title of "Worst President Ever."  Let's not listen to Conyers. Let's stand up for law and order...

    •  Faye for Congress (3+ / 0-)
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      SarahLee, DrSteveB, bthespoon

      Faye Armitage: She won her Primary by 64% to 36%, and has been a healthcare activist for years.

      http://www.FayeforCongress.com

      More Candidates who support HR 676 here ( not sure if all of these made it past their primaries):

      AL-02  
      AZ-01 Howard Shanker    
      AZ-04 Ed Pastor  
      AZ-07 Raul Grijalva  D+10

      CA-03  
      CA-04  Charlie Brown R+11
      CA-06 Lynn Woolsey  D+21
      CA-07 George Miller  D+19
      CA-09 Barbara Lee  D+38
      CA-12   D+22
      CA-15 Michael Honda  
      CA-17 Sam Farr  D+17
      CA-24 Dana Rorbacher Mary Pallant  
      CA-31 Xavier Becerra   D+30
      CA-28 Howard Berman  D+25
      CA-32 Hilda Solis  D+17
      CA-33 Diane Watson  D+36
      CA-34 Lucille Roybal-Allard  D+23
      CA-35 Maxine Waters  D+33
      CA-37 Laura Richardson  D+27
      CA-38 Grace Napolitano  D+20
      CA-39 Linda Sanchez  D+13
      CA-43 Joe Baca  D+13
      CA-47 Loretta Sanchez  D+5
      CA-51 Bob Filner  D+7
      CA-52  R+9

      CO-02  Jared Polis or Joan Fitz-Gerald D+8
      CO-06  R+10

      DC-AL Eleanor Holmes Norten
       
      FL-03 Corrine Brown  D+14
      FL-07 Faye Armitage R+4
      FL-08 R+3
      FL-09  Anita de Palma  
      FL-10 Samm Simpson D+1
      FL-15   Steve Blythe R+4
      FL-19 Robert Wexler  D+21
      FL-23 Alcee Hastings  D+29

      GA-2 Sanford Bishop  D+2
      GA-04 Henry Johnson  D+22
      GA-05 John Lewis  D+25
      GA-13 David Scott  D+10

      HI-01 Neil Ambercrombie  D+7
      HI-02 Mazie Hirano  D+10

      IA-02 David Loebsack  D+7
      IA-03 Ed Fallon D+1

      IL-01 Bobby Rush  D+35
      IL-02 Jesse Jackson  D+35
      IL-04 Luis V. Gutierrez  D+31
      IL-07 Danny Davis  D+35
      IL-09 Janice Shakowsky  D+20
      IL-11  R+1
      IL-14  
      IL-17 Phil Hare  D+5
      IL-18  R+5

      IN-07  D+9

      KY-02  R+13
      KY-03 John Yarmuth  D+2

      LA-02 William Jefferson  D+28
      LA-04   R+7  
      LA-06   R+7

      MA-01 John Olver  D+15
      MA-03 James MCGovern  D+13
      MA-04 Barney Frank  D+19
      MA-06 John Tierney  D+11  
      MA-08 Michael Capuano  D+33  
      MA-09 Stephen Lynch  D+33
      MA-10 Wm. D. Delahunt  D+9

      ME-1 (Allen leaving to run for Senate) Chellie Pingree
       
      MD-01  R+10  
      MD-04   Donna Edwards D+30
      MD-07 Elijah Cummings  D+25

      MI-05 Dale Kildee  D+12
      MI-13 Carolyn Kilpatrick  D+32

      MN-03   R+1 9-Sep
      MN-05 Keith Ellison  D+21

      MO-01 Wm. Lacy Clay  D+26
      MO-09   R+7
       
      MS-02 Bennie Thompson  D+10
      MS-03   R+14

      NJ-01 Mahdi Ibn Ziyad D+14
      NJ-03  D+3
      NJ-05 Camille Abate  
      NJ-07  R+1
      NJ-10 Donald Payne  D+34

      NM-01   D+2
      NM-02  Al Kissling R+6  
      NM-03   D+06
      NM-S  Tom Udall
       
      NY-06 Gregory Meeks  D+38  
      NY-08 Jerrold Nadler  D+28
      NY-09 Anthony Weiner  D+14
      NY-10 Edolphus Towns  D+41
      NY -11 Yvette Clarke  D+40  
      NY-13 Steve Harrison  
      NY-14 Carolyn Maloney  D+26
      NY-15 Charles Rangel  D+43
      NY-16 Jose Serrano  D+43  
      NY-17 Elliot Engel  D+21
      NY-21   Phil Steck D+9  
      NY-22 Maurice Hinchey  NY-
      NY -25    D+3
      NY-29 Eric Massa R+5

      OH-4 Mike Carroll R+14
      OH-7  R+6 November
      OH-09 Marcy Kaptur  D+9  
      OH-10 Dennis Kucinich  D+8
      OH-11 Stephanie Tubbs Jones  D+33  
      OH-13 Betty Sutton  D+6  
      OH-14  Bill ONeill R+2  
      OH-15   R+1
      OH-16  R+4  
      OH-17 Tim Ryan  D+14

      OR-05   D+1

      PA-01 Robert Brady  D+36  
      PA-02 Chaka Fattah  D+39
      PA-03 Mike Waltner R+2
      PA-05   R+10  
      PA-14 Michael F. Doyle  D+22

      RI-01 Patrick Kennedy  D+16
       
      TN-09 Steve Cohen  D+16

      TX-9 Al Green  D+21
      TX-18 Sheila Jackson Lee  D+23
      TX-30 Eddie Bernice Johnson  D+26

      VA-03 Robert Scott  D+18
      VA-04  Andrea Miller  
      VA-05 Tom Perriello R+6
      VA-06 Sam Rasoul R+11
      VA-08 Jim Moran  D+14
      VA-11   R+1
       
      VI Donna Christiansen    
      VT Peter Welch  D+9

      WA-07 Jim McDermott  D+30

      WI-02 Tammy Baldwin  D+13
      WI-04 Gwen Moore  D+20

      WY-AL   R+19  

      Partisan Voting Index (PVI), is a measure of how strongly an American congressional district leans toward one political party compared to the nation as a whole

       

      From SickoCure.org ( website seems to be down)

    •  Dr. Steve... I thank you for delivering the (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      pascal, bthespoon

      message, but I am very sorry that John Conyers thinks that "elections" trump law and order. How dare he? While I agree with the consequences of not winning the White House, we can do more than one thing at a time.

      Now I understand why he hasn't done what's right and scheduled an impeachment hearing! Dumb me... he agrees with her that it's okay to let the criminals walk.

      He should be defeated at the pools.

  •  Conyers is a sell out (9+ / 0-)

    He was all talk.

    And this is coming from someone who supported and defended him strongly for years.

    He's part of the problem, not part of the solution.

    "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." --Samuel Johnson

    by joanneleon on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 09:24:27 AM PDT

    •  Yeah, fuck John Conyers... (4+ / 0-)
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      esquimaux, pascal, jello5929, lisastar

      I used to admire him, back in the bad old days of Raygun, when he wasn't afraid to mince words and tell it like it is.

      He completely bungled the Attorneygate investigations with his pussyfoting around.  His hearings were lame.  His questions were lame.  His compliments to the rethugs on the other side of the table were lame. His timing and strategy was lame.

      John Conyers = FAIL

      •  politics and the possible (9+ / 0-)
        Work in primaries for best Dem possible.

        Work in general for any Dem over any Repug.

        Hold them responsible between elections, organize and pressure for whatever cause floats your boat.

        Challenge with primary alternative if need be.

        Rinse & repeat.

        •  Frankly... (7+ / 0-)

          I haven't heard ANYONE talk about single payer health care since the primaries until you just brought it up.  

          But it bothers me, because Conyers and his ilk said the same thing about impeachment in 2006, and look where that got us; a DoJ which is more corrupt than ever--just smarter at not getting caught.

        •  Dems are defeating the best Dems (9+ / 0-)

          We had the best candidate possible here in our district, supported HR-676, was against the Invasion of Iraq, honest as the day is long, pro-environment, etc., and the Dems withheld ALL support (because he was too "liberal").  Look what they did to undermine Kucinich in the debates, and look what they're doing to Cindy Sheehan.  The Democrats are now what the Republican party used to be, and the Republicans have moved so far to the right that they're off the charts.  I'm tired of having Republican and Republican Lite as my two choices.  We progressives need more options.

          I heard Harry Truman give his acceptance speech on C-SPAN the other night.  What a refreshing breath of fresh old air that was.

          •  If you're so disappointed with how the Democratic (3+ / 0-)
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            joanneleon, RN4MERCY, ramara

            Party is run, join your local party and run for a position on the executive committee, and do something to change it.

            After you've built up enough respect among your local party, run for a seat on your district committee... Rinse and repeat until you've made it to your state party, etcetera...

            The party is run by people and if we're not even making an attempt to be the people running it, we've got no right to bitch about how the people that do take the initiative to run for party office decides to run our party.

            It might be a slow road to wrest control of our party from it's current corporate overlords, but it's not impossible and the best place to start is with your local party.

            If every person on dkos got a seat on their local party's executive committee... We could literally change the party and maybe even change the world.

            It's the local parties that do all the grunt work. We're the boots on the ground making sure all those dirty little menial tasks like canvassing, phonebanking, GOTV, etcetera get done and without us, they're nothing.

            If we took over enough county parties and built up our support structure then we could move onto District committees, then State Parties after that and the DNC itself once we were able to get enough states... It would likely take at least a generation, but it COULD be done if we were willing to keep at it until we succeeded.

            There's only a few power players in the Democratic Party with the overwhelming majority of our party being regular rank and file members just like us... and right now that teeny little majority is in control, because we've allowed them to do so.

            It doesn't have to be that way though and we really CAN take over our party, but we've got to start the process from the bottom up.

            I sit on my county party executive committee and I've managed to actually change how my county party does business. I've changed the face of my party... It might only be a little party, but I've pushed through some pretty radical changes in my own party and other counties have taken notice, and in some cases are now following our lead.

            You really CAN make a difference... I know this, because I've done it myself, but it's easiest if you start small and work your way up.

            That's where I part ways I think with a lot of the netroots. Everybody wants to get House, Senate and Presidential candidates elected and most of us can't even get a friggin' town counsel member elected, much less a county commissioner and we just jump right into the big leagues and think we know how to get a United States Congressperson elected?

            Well you have to have strong local parties to get ANY office elected and when your local parties aren't even strong enough to get a township treasurer elected, how in the hell do you think they've got the resources to get a Congressperson elected?

            I don't know... I just think we're doing everything backwards on here sometimes.

            We're trying to run when most of us never even learned how to walk.

            "It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." Oscar Wilde, 1891

            by MichiganGirl on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 10:42:13 AM PDT

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            •  Michigan Girl... (3+ / 0-)
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              MichiganGirl, Hens Teeth, bthespoon

              Party is run, join your local party and run for a position on the executive committee, and do something to change it.

              After you've built up enough respect among your local party, run for a seat on your district committee... Rinse and repeat until you've made it to your state party, etcetera...

              Hey... we've been employing that philosophy every election since I can remember... and we still have people in the Democratic Party leadership like Pelosi and apparently Conyers who are more interested in their own elections than doing their constitututional duties and working to fix this corrupt system.

              In case you haven't noticed, it's not working.

              Perhaps we need to break-up the Democratic Party, leave it in masses and attempt to create a party that is willing to do what's right vs. what's politically good for its DC members.

              I've had enough of Conyers.  He needs to retire or be sent home by his district - fat chance!

              •  I suppose you could go the third party route, (1+ / 0-)
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                RN4MERCY

                but I'm pretty stubborn and prone to vindictive behavior... It's my party and I'll be damned if a handful of people are going to chase me out it.

                Like I said, I'm making changes within the party, so I know it CAN be done... It might be on a small scale, but right now it's only me a couple of others.

                The more of us there are, the more changes we can make and the bigger impact we have within the party.

                I'm not talking about Pelosi or Conyers or elected officials within the government... I'm talking about us becoming the elected officials within the Party structure that in turn CHOOSE the who the candidates are going to be and which are going to get the party's backing and support in the first place. I'm talking about us taking the positions that get to choose who's name is going to be on the ballot for the general.

                Holding executive positions within the party gives you an enormous amount of power and the higher the position you hold, the more power you possess.

                "It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." Oscar Wilde, 1891

                by MichiganGirl on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 12:08:14 PM PDT

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            •  Been there done that, (1+ / 0-)
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              joanneleon

              It didn't work for me, but that's not saying that it can't work for some people in some situations.  That also does not mean that I can't make a difference.  I just have to keep trying different routes until one works (or die trying).

        •  Are you kidding Dr? (0+ / 0-)

          Hold them responsible between elections, organize and pressure for whatever cause floats your boat.

          Challenge with primary alternative if need be.

          Rinse & repeat.

          Again, I appreciate your message and your right to deliver it, but are you kidding?  Do you think it's okay for BushCo to walk away with our treasury and the total destruction of the infrastructure and the entire economic and moral character of this country?

          I strongly disagree with you.

      •  P.S. (9+ / 0-)

        And if Conyers had done his job properly in the last 2 years, we would NOT be hearing all these stories of fake ballot/voter registrations sent out in swing states.  

        He sounded so concerned about voter caging, yet he tiptoed doing anything real about it.  

        KKKarl and Harriet should've been subpeanoed and charged with contempt of Congress over a year ago, but instead, Conyers wasted months and months of time writing and sending worthless letters to uncooperative parties who didn't even bother to answer them.  

        •  Well said timewarp! (1+ / 0-)
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          Hens Teeth

          And if Conyers had done his job properly in the last 2 years, we would NOT be hearing all these stories of fake ballot/voter registrations sent out in swing states.  

          He sounded so concerned about voter caging, yet he tiptoed doing anything real about it.  

          I am very angry at Conyers.  I lost all respect for him by watching this oversight mess he has going on in the HJC.  He may have had a very strong image as a fighter and as a man who fights for justice, but I'll tell you that he is not that man today.

          I'd like to be the person who writes the book on the "Life and Legacy of John Conyers, Jr." and I can assure you that it would not speak well of him after the 36 years that passed between Watergate and Attorneygate.

  •  That's right. (0+ / 0-)

    Bush leaves office January 20, 2009 at noon and not a moment sooner.

    We start working on single payer just before....if we can find the dough to pay for it.

  •  One thing at a time... (1+ / 0-)
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    AntKat

    First comes the election.  If the election outcome does not go in our direction, and other subsequent goals will be that much more difficult to attain.

    Okay, I'll say it.  OBAMA!  OBAMA!  OBAMA!

    -5.13,-5.64; When pygmies cast such long shadows, it must be very late in the day. -Gian-Carlo Rota

    by gizmo59 on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 09:26:04 AM PDT

  •  Politicians are fickle and easily.... (0+ / 0-)

    caught up in the game.  That said, We need to focus on an Obama win, then put our efforts into manipulating the elected pols into a single payor health plan.

    •  Focus on an Obama win then after he disappoints (4+ / 0-)

      ...us we can concentrate on developing a badly-needed third party.

      •  first figure out how a lefty (0+ / 0-)
        3rd party does not wind up having as its only actual result be to elect more right wingers, then get back to me.
        •  If the Democrats would move left, then (1+ / 0-)
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          SarahLee

          ...a third party would not be necessary or viable, and Dems might find out that they just might stop losing elections (by continuing to run chicken middle instead of using strong and desperately needed and wanted leadership).  When they sell the people out they deserve to lose.  The problem with that of course is that the Republicans don't deserve to win, but I still believe the Democrats are losing their own game all by themselves.

          For just one example, if the Democrats were embracing United Protection as a concept in health coverage (instead of not touching it with a ten-foot pole), they no doubt would have almost all of Nader's 6%, McKinney's 1%, and a whole big bunch of Republicans on their side as well.  If anybody could sell the idea Obama could, but he won't.  If he would try, I'd be willing to help him with every ounce of energy in my body.  Now I can hardly force myself to vote for him even though I can easily vote against McCain (and lose more respect for Obama the more I learn about him).  He's still WAY better than McCain, and then there's that little matter of the Supreme Court.  Other than that, Obama and the Democratic Party have sold me (I think us) down the tubes, just a little less so than Republicans.

      •  I think we should start now! (1+ / 0-)
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        bthespoon

        Focus on an Obama win then after he disappoints us we can concentrate on developing a badly-needed third party

        It seems impossible, but this sure isn't working.

      •  Listen (0+ / 0-)

        If Obama isn't elected, the country is gone for at least 30 years - remember the Supreme Court?  A few more justices like Roberts and Alito and think Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire cubed.  We have to get in so we can start fixing things and keep further damage from happening.  

        I have no illusions.  Obama's first term will be largely one of undoing the damage Bush and co. have caused.  Getting out of Iraq, some serious start towards environmental reform, some serious healthcare reform, and some serious world diplomacy, with a restoration of civil liberties.  We are buried in debt, the money we save in Iraq won't be available because it's all borrowed.

        Now just think of four more years of the same.  It will be irreversable in our lifetime.

        •  Here's the problem, if were really paying close (1+ / 0-)
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          SarahLee

          attention:

          1. Obama said he will pull all but 50-80,000 of our troops out of Iraq (and redirect most to Afghanistan) "unless the situation on the ground changes";
          1.  Obama thinks coal and nuclear are "clean energy" alternatives.  (They're not.)  He supports corn-based ethanol when the facts show that is NOT environmentally sound, and would consider lifting the ban on off-shore drilling;
          1.  He wants to inbite the health insurance industry to help us solve the health coverage crises.  That's like inviting the KK to help us solve Civil Rights;
          1.   Don't even get me started on NAFTA and FISA.

          He is a little better on the economy and tax issues, and there is the all-important Supremem Court.  Don't get me wrong.  I want Obama to win and McCain to be defeated.  I just think it's past time we quit fooling ourselves.

  •  lol (10+ / 0-)

    Gonna be tough to work on impeachment after the election.

    I agree on single payer, etc. Nothing will (or should) happen before next year.

    However, the failure to meaningfully challenge this administration is a disgrace. The dems in congress who stood in the way of impeachment will not be seen in a kind light by history. This congress has been a total failure when it comes to investigating and challenging this administration. That means you too Conyers.

    •  Amen. (6+ / 0-)

      We gave 'em legislative majorities in '06, nothing changed. For all the hard work and passion, if we give 'em bigger legislative majorities and the White House, I'm afraid that still nothing will change. They're pretty much all interchangeable at this point.

      If we do all this and still nothing changes, then we need to get busy fielding a whole new class to challenge in the '10 midterms, vote the bums O-U-T and start over. I don't know about anybody else, but if I get the lame excuse of "we can't do that because..." blah, blah, blah come January, I'm going to assume they're all on the take and should be recalled/replaced as the dirty criminal liars they truly are.

      Maybe people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw bibles.

      by Joy Busey on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 10:18:35 AM PDT

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  •  yeah, what about the last two years Conyers? (13+ / 0-)

    Of course we need to focus on the election, and the economy, and the war, and Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and Russia, and Hurricane Ike, and gas prices, and food prices, and global warming and....

    It's too late now to go for impeachment for these these bastards who should be held accountable for lying us into war, killing Americans and Iraqis, tanking the economy, refusing subpoenas and a thousand other things we can name.

    You and 99% of the other useless dems were just watching the clock so you didn't have to put your jobs on the line. Hogwash! Americans would have applauded you for standing up.

    Sure, we'll Obama elected and one by one throw your sorry asses out of office.

    If we cannot elect this man, we don't deserve him.

    by lisastar on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 09:35:20 AM PDT

    •  Eggzactly! (8+ / 0-)

      Conyers sat at the head of one of the most powerful committees in DC and bloviated on about "my good fried this or that" while the clock ran out.  And I will bet dollars to donuts that he wasn't very cooperative with more active members of the committee like Debbie Wasserman-Shultz and Linda Sanchez.  

      It is really sad because I used to really like Conyers, like about 20 years ago. Before he sold out to his own sense of self importance.

      •  I really do kinda agree (3+ / 0-)
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        peace voter, pascal, lisastar

        My congressman is Charlie Rangel!
        Talk about disappointments.

        The queston remains:

        1. Balance of idealism and practicality, what can be done in committee and congress where some compromise is needed.
        1. electing the most progressive that can win in any given district.
        1. Benefit of seniority vs. sell out as they get more entrenched.

        But primaries are over.
        As of now, just gotta do most to elect more Dems.

        The better part starts again November 5.

        •  I'm sorry (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          victoria2dc

          for you about Rangel, but I can almost relate since mine is Ed Townes. ;-)

        •  Steve!!!!! (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          pascal, bthespoon

          The question remains:

          Balance of idealism and practicality, what can be done in committee and congress where some compromise is needed.

          electing the most progressive that can win in any given district.

          Benefit of seniority vs. sell out as they get more entrenched.

          Steve, if you and I committed the crimes that Bush, with the help of Cheney, Addington, Scooter Libby, John Yoo and Alberto Gonzales, Rove, Miers and the gang of thugs at the DOJ, we would be in jail by now.

          You can call it idealism, but I call it BS.  How can you say that it's okay for the criminals to be unaccountable?

          Surely you must have been educated in history and civics... what about the balance of power? Do you understand that contempt of Congress by the White House and the claims of executive privilege by Nixon are the same (almost exactly the same thing, only worse) that this Bush gang has offered to John Conyers?

          There is no doubt that Conyers could win this in an ordinary court.  However, with what they have done to politicize the judicial system, who knows if the SCOTUS would even uphold the Nixon era victory and precedence it set.

          Come on doctor!  You can't think this way... I just can't believe that you think it's okay for them to tell Conyers to go to hell and then he just goes to work for Obama and allows the US Constitution to be torn to shreds.

          It is not okay Steve... not with me.

      •  timewarp... (0+ / 0-)

        And I will bet dollars to donuts that he wasn't very cooperative with more active members of the committee like Debbie Wasserman-Shultz and Linda Sanchez.

         

        Let me add something to this comment:  Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is not a friend of law and order. She is actually a member of Pelosi's girl-EY leadership team. While she votes with progressives on many issues, she is Pelosi's little girl-EY shadow on impeachment.

        I met him when he was in Denver for the convention. I talked to him on the steps of PDA Central. While I don't claim to be an all knowing and Bush-like psychic, when I attempted to have a real conversation with him about what he could do and why he should do it, he referred me to a young woman who was with him from Michigan and said, "Why don't you talk to her about the law. She's a recent college graduate and she knows more about the law than I do!"

        At that moment I sorta' fell for it... perhaps he's getting old (almost 80) and needs to retire because he is looking after nobody's interests anymore, including his oath of office.  

        Let's have an impeachment party and impeach Pelosi first, then Conyers and add Bush and Cheney at the end of things.  After all, Bush and Cheney are leaving in January.

        What if they don't?  What if they decide to initiate martial law to keep people from revolting about the economy and the result of the 2008 elections?

        Everything (and I mean everything) is in place for them to do that.

    •  lisastar... (1+ / 0-)
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      It's too late now to go for impeachment for these these bastards who should be held accountable for lying us into war, killing Americans and Iraqis, tanking the economy, refusing subpoenas and a thousand other things we can name.

      It is not too late. All of the experts, particularly Elizabeth Holtzman and Bruce Fein are still advocating. Actually it could be done in a few days if Conyers had the courage to defy Pelosi... but he won't because he agrees with her that politics is more important than law and order.

      They don't seem to mind the crimes against this country at all. Anybody can hold hearings and issue subpoenas. It takes courage like Daniel Ellsberg and Deep Throat had to speak truth to power.

  •  John Conyers.... (8+ / 0-)

      has disappointed me greatly in the past couple of years. Had a chance to initiate impeachment hearings but failed to do so. I wonder what the WH has on Mr. Conyers? I have lost what respect I had for the man.

    •  Cheney's secret bunker files... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...have all the dirt on all of 'em.

      Maybe people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw bibles.

      by Joy Busey on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 10:20:12 AM PDT

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      •  Is that the excuse we are going with this week? (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Well I'm sure their spying has paid off... (1+ / 0-)
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        but so what? If you and I were in the position of having to sacrifice our congressional seats to speak truth to power, then what would you do it?

        The difference between them and us is that they like the power... read Pelosi's book. She tells you that you have to hold tight to your power!  I think maybe there is some truth in that book title... she cares more about herself than the country. That's sad.

        Conyers... I think he's just old and should have retired when his legacy was strong. Now he and Pelosi will go down in history as the ONLY two people who could have busted the crimes of Bush and Cheney to restore law and order, peace and prosperity to the United States of America.

        Mr. Conyers, the legacy you've created in two years by allowing the Speaker to tell you what to do will wipe out every effort you made in the fields of law and order, civil rights and human rights.

        Your children will have to live with your legacy Mr. Conyers, just like the silent children of Richard Nixon had to do. Sad.

    •  No no retired lex firefighter... (1+ / 0-)
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      I wonder what the WH has on Mr. Conyers? I have lost what respect I had for the man.

      I wonder what the WH has on Mr. Conyers? I have lost what respect I had for the man.

      It is not the White House. It's Pelosi.  What kind of power does the White House have over Pelosi and why doesn't Conyers have the courage to stand up to her and call for a hearing?

      The problem is Pelosi and Conyers.

  •  I have a great deal of respect for (0+ / 0-)

    John Conyers.

  •  This isn't directed at you, but (8+ / 0-)

    what incredible nerve of Conyers to say forget about everything the Dems didn't do as the majority, but make sure we elect more of them.

    This is the same day average Americans find out we'll be overburdened with the rescue of Wall Street mega-rich, I say to Mr. Conyers, Speaker Pelosi, and the depressingly ineffective Harry Reid, GO TO HELL!

    I don't want to hear how health care or alternate energy programs might have to be put on the back burner because of this bail out. I say bullshit.
    Lose some of the killing hardware and give us health care.

    We are being royally set for the continuation of the status quo, courtesy of the oil, defense, pharma, insurance, and banking lobby's.  
    What a moronic thing for Conyers to say right now.

  •  Sorry, I can't forget about it. (4+ / 0-)

    I can't forget about what is necessary to mend our nation's healthcare system until after we elect politicians to office.

    Once they are elected, we have no further leverage against them.  They are firmly in the hands of the monied interests.

    I can't forget about holding the Bush administration accountable until it is too late to hold them accountable.  Bush can pardon himself for anything short of impeachment.

    It really is too bad that our politicians are weak assed, corrupt pussies who hold their own job security to a higher esteem than our nation or the constitution.

    And don't tell me the shit about if they don't get elected, they can't do anything.  They keep getting elected, and they keep doing nothing.  

    I am not talking about Obama here, I am talking about the legislative branch, who actually pass the laws before the president has the opportunity to sign them into law.  I am talking about the so called co-equal branch of law that has failed to exert any oversight over the raping and pillaging of our constitution and the rule of law upon which it is based.

    Most of all, I am talking about being pissed off at both them, and the other members of the public who think that if we just elect more of them, it will make a difference.  If we don't hold the people already in office accountable, it won't matter how many more we elect, they will continue to do whatever is convenient for them to keep their jobs, and the system will never change.

    (-8.50, -7.54): "Reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature can not be fooled." -Richard Feynman

    by Tin hat mafia on Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 10:10:27 AM PDT

  •  Indict Conyers, Accomplice to War Crimes and (3+ / 0-)
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    other lawbreaking.  He is now complicit, by failing to do his clear duty to hold an impeachment inquiry, as required by the Constitution.  Do they think all this just goes away because he tells us to chill?  You are complicit in war crimes now, Congressman Conyers.

    •  Thank you Ralph... (2+ / 0-)
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      Indict Conyers, Accomplice to War Crimes and other lawbreaking.  He is now complicit, by failing to do his clear duty to hold an impeachment inquiry, as required by the Constitution.  Do they think all this just goes away because he tells us to chill?  You are complicit in war crimes now, Congressman Conyers.

      I would indict Pelosi first.  Then I would put Conyers on the short list!

  •  I cringed when I saw the title to your diary (0+ / 0-)

    really fearing the worst. But of course, on the federal level he's absolutely right and it's good to remember that. So now I'm off to do my bit in a swing state phone bank.

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