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In 2006, MI-07 Republican Rep. Joe Schwarz was primaried out by Club for Growth-supported wingnut Tim Walberg. Walberg now faces a stiff challenge from Mark Schauer, and Schwarz is getting his revenge:

Former U.S. Rep. Joe Schwarz is endorsing Democratic challenger Mark Schauer in his former south-central Michigan congressional district, even though he's a Republican.

Schwarz told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he decided to endorse Schauer over Republican Rep. Tim Walberg because the anti-tax Club for Growth began running ads critical of Schauer.

This isn't the first Republican brought down by the CFG to endorse a Democrat this cycle. In MD-01, Wayne Gilchrest first endorsed Democrat Frank Kratovil as his replacement, then Barack Obama for president. He even went so far as to do an ad for Kratovil:

How long will attempts at ideological purity be worth it for the CFG if their attempts to excise moderates from their party lead to more Democrats elected with prominent bipartisan support?

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:15 PM PDT.

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  •  They're cute when they're divided (5+ / 0-)
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    Eman, jct, Neon Vincent, dotalbon, Alec82

    And going down the tubes.

    •  Bankrupt Party (1+ / 0-)
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      Neon Vincent

      don't you love when republicans eat each other up...I love what they're doing to John "Boner" right now..each one throwing him right in front of the bus for making them look stupid with his "Nancy Pelosi hurt our feelings" comment yesterday. Republicans are so pathetic, they deserve to dissolve the moronic party. It's bankrupt, intellectually and morally!

  •  But then again, (5+ / 0-)

    How different is the CFG going after moderates than when we talk about primary revenge and "better Democrats?"

    If McCain is Maverick, then I'm voting for Iceman.

    by Rustbelt Dem on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:17:54 PM PDT

    •  Agreed. I hate club for growth, but am envious (4+ / 0-)

      of their power.  Tho I don't think we should primary people in heavy repug districts.  I dont think we can ignore the district when we primary.  

      A United States Marine, still fighting for our Constitution and our country! I Support and Defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

      by DemMarineVet on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:19:15 PM PDT

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    •  My thoughts exactly (3+ / 0-)
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      Neon Vincent, Norbrook, Rustbelt Dem

      We have to be careful who we primary as well. Gilchrest would have easily held his seat, but it could Dem now that he is primaried out. Same thing could happen for Dems.

      No way. No how. No McCain -Hillary Clinton

      by jj32 on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:26:23 PM PDT

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    •  How different is the (2+ / 0-)
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      Neon Vincent, Alec82

      Very different. We only want to primary "Democrats" who sell us out to the Republicans every chance they get. The Club for Growth wants crooks running the Republican Party and works to kick out anyone who's not a crook.

      McCain was for deregulating Wall Street before he was against it.

      by William Domingo on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:30:36 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  But that could change (2+ / 0-)
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        dotalbon, Rustbelt Dem

        Remember the saying: Power corrupts.   At some point, we might end up being in the "ideological purity over everything, except to be in power" school, just like the Republicans are now.  

        I think that I have had enough of you telling me how things will be. Today I choose a new way to go ... and it goes through you!

        by Norbrook on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:34:02 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  That's why we're a nation of laws (2+ / 0-)
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          Neon Vincent, Rustbelt Dem

          not people, not God.  The smartest thing the Founding Fathers did was emphasize checks and balances as the underpinning of a civil society.

          Voting Republican is like hiring a carpenter who thinks hammers are evil.

          by dotalbon on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:36:33 PM PDT

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        •  A ridiculous argument. (2+ / 0-)
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          William Domingo, Neon Vincent

          The left has always been driven by fractious issues. It will never become a 'fall into lockstep' type of movement, by it's very nature.

          •  If Progressive Someday Meant Impeccable... (0+ / 0-)
            We would be there.
            Incidentally, speaking of evil weasels destroying everything they clutch, notice MxPlain tacking toward nicety for a minute, since nasty wasn't working.
            Obama really does change things. Even his campaign trail opponents try to change when nothing else works against him.
            And, for those of you who are old enough to remember, more incidentally, General Alexander Haig once thought he was President, in charge, commanding the White House to avert chaos.
            MxPlain has the same delusion.
            He blew up the rescue.
            Took credit for the 2nd try just before it crumbled.
            Offers to come back any time to Washington and screw it up again.
            Nobody in either party could possibly want him anywhere near a negotiation. Unless they opposed its enactment.
            Go Blue.
        •  ideological purity (0+ / 0-)

          So it's good to have people sabotaging the Democratic Party from within to keep it from getting too "ideological pure"?

          McCain was for deregulating Wall Street before he was against it.

          by William Domingo on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:01:11 PM PDT

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          •  That is not what I said (0+ / 0-)

            There is always a group within any party which holds itself to be the "true believers."  30 years ago, the "religious right" - what we call the "wingnuts" was simply a small, slightly influential group within the Republican Party.  Through fund-raising, use of wedge issues, and other means, their actual influence grew to take over the Party apparatus, and force out more moderate Republicans.  Once in power, they did quite a good job of being corrupted by the need to maintain power.

            That can happen in the Democratic Party as well.  Thinking that it "can't happen to us" isn't borne out by any study of history.  

            I think that I have had enough of you telling me how things will be. Today I choose a new way to go ... and it goes through you!

            by Norbrook on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:10:03 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  The difference is that the CFG is wrong, silly (4+ / 0-)

      Seriously, though, the CFG is so ideological that they make the mistake of primarying people in unsafe districts.  Additionally, they tarnish the GOP brand, because their singular focus distracts from victory for the GOP in otherwise safe districts (or will, as economic populism returns with a vengeance).  Grover thought that social issues would be immaterial in 2004.  Even though polling of the GOP reveals that there's a broader consensus on social issues than there is on economic issues.

      "We're half awake in a fake empire."

      by Alec82 on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:31:51 PM PDT

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      •  Then CFG should be a cautionary tale (1+ / 0-)
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        But who says that we won't as Democrats go down the same path?  I think that was the real lesson from yesterday's arguing over the bailout around here.

        And one person's "tarnishing the brand" is another's "keeping the faith."  It is all in the eye of the beholder.  I'm sure the DLC has a few comparable opinions about Kossacks.

        If McCain is Maverick, then I'm voting for Iceman.

        by Rustbelt Dem on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:40:14 PM PDT

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        •  the WHO? (1+ / 0-)
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          Neon Vincent

          oh, the DLC.

          The worthless Republican arm of the Democratic Party.

          Who cares what they think?

          •  I just named an example (2+ / 0-)
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            Neon Vincent, Alec82

            If McCain is Maverick, then I'm voting for Iceman.

            by Rustbelt Dem on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:43:55 PM PDT

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          •  How do people who want to donate to candidates... (2+ / 0-)
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            Neon Vincent, Rustbelt Dem

            ....like Musgrove and Kleeb justify the bashing of the DLC? Or Casey, for that matter?

            I mean it depends on the issues you pick, I guess.  

            "We're half awake in a fake empire."

            by Alec82 on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:46:15 PM PDT

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            •  Good point, but a centrist Democrat... (1+ / 0-)
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              Alec82

              ...in a conservative district will generally be much better than any Republican and may be the best we can get there.  After all, ideological diversity is something one should expect in a true majority party.

              "Iraq: the bravest 1% fighting for the richest 1%." ~ An Unknown Kossack.

              by Neon Vincent on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:28:15 PM PDT

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              •  Which is fine... (0+ / 0-)

                ...but that's what I don't get about DLC bashing.  I mean, that's what they are most of the time, right?

                Clinton was governor of Arkansas after all, not Massachusetts.

                "We're half awake in a fake empire."

                by Alec82 on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:30:03 PM PDT

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                •  The DLC worked during a conservative time... (1+ / 0-)
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                  ...when the political climate was against progressives (even a conservative like David Frum acknowledged that Bill Clinton governed to the right of Richard Nixon).  It may have been the only way to get elected.  However, the climate is not as against progressives now as it was before 2006.  The DLC may work very well as a regional wing of the Democratic Party in conservative areas, but not as the leadership of a national party.  That's the issue I have with them.  I want the Eisenhower Republicans on the Right of the political spectrum, not leading what passes for the Left.

                  "Iraq: the bravest 1% fighting for the richest 1%." ~ An Unknown Kossack.

                  by Neon Vincent on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:34:43 PM PDT

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            •  These are people representing their constituents. (0+ / 0-)

              Nebraska isn't going to get Bernie Sanders.

              DLC'ers in Washington are a different breed, one which I'll fight every day of the week.

        •  Well.... (2+ / 0-)
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          Neon Vincent, Rustbelt Dem

          There is a much more uniform opinion within the GOP as a whole on social issues than there is on fiscal issues (although I'm thinking of polling data I looked at in 2007, it could easily have changed, or could have had its own flaws....it was a while ago).  

          It probably should serve as a cautionary tale, but we've been balancing a more diverse coalition for a longer period of time.  I think it is harder to fall into that trap for Democrats.  

          "We're half awake in a fake empire."

          by Alec82 on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:44:18 PM PDT

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      •  Ed Abbey nailed them: (0+ / 0-)

        "Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell."

        Whenever I is feeling a bit scrotty, a few gollops of frobscottle is always making me feel hopscotchy again. ~Roald Dahl

        by Andhakari on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 09:16:32 PM PDT

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  •  Its pretty embarassing to be a Repug wingnut now (2+ / 0-)
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  •  There Are Only Two Kinds of Republicans (4+ / 0-)
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    jct, Neon Vincent, dotalbon, uc booker

    Good Republicans who already left the Republican Party and endorse Democrats or stay in the Republican Party but still endorse Democrats.

    Bad Republicans who stay in the Republican Party and continue to be right wing neocons and economic neoliberals hellbent on destroying the country.

    Lindsay Lohan has better judgment than 40% of Americans. She endorsed Obama and Biden.

    by Gorestro on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:21:43 PM PDT

  •  urgent request (1+ / 0-)
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    uc booker

    Sorry that this is not related to the post topic, but there is limited time to get the word out.  Lou Dobbs has a ridiculous right wing question on his poll tonight.  please take a quick second to go vote and let's deny them their talking point.  http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/  (look in the lower right column)

    •  Lewd Jobs is such a waste of space & a tool (0+ / 0-)

      I love it.  He's part of the "liberal media" and tries to distance himself by putting up a stupid question like that one.

      Sarah Palin is just another Karl Rove in lipstick and stilettos.

      by uc booker on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:25:20 PM PDT

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  •  So, what do we think is going to happen in MI? (1+ / 0-)
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    Dump Terry McAuliffe

    It's a very interesting situation and no clear outcome.

    Sarah Palin is just another Karl Rove in lipstick and stilettos.

    by uc booker on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:23:05 PM PDT

    •  Presidential or this race? (1+ / 0-)
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      Neon Vincent

      "We're half awake in a fake empire."

      by Alec82 on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:32:31 PM PDT

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      •  This race. I'm still counting on MI to go blue (1+ / 0-)
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        Neon Vincent

        Sarah Palin is just another Karl Rove in lipstick and stilettos.

        by uc booker on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:34:00 PM PDT

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        •  The district isn't great (1+ / 0-)
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          It includes Jackson and Hillsdale, which are very conservative areas.  He can probably pick off quite a few votes in Washtenaw and Eaton Counties, as well as Albion, which is a liberal arts college area.  But it isn't the area of the state I grew up in, so I'm not entirely sure what their microtargeting is.  I'd guess that Washtenaw is a big area for him.  Also, the foreclosure crisis might be helping him.

          "We're half awake in a fake empire."

          by Alec82 on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:39:40 PM PDT

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          •  Calhoun and Jackson (2+ / 0-)
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            counties are Schauer's senate district and home base so he will overperform here, particularly in Battle Creek, where they just love him.  This one has moved past tossup and is now tilts Democrat or even leans Democrat

            •  Great news! (1+ / 0-)
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              Neon Vincent

              I'm kind of surprised he performs well in Jackson, in particular.  

              I'm assuming he has western Washtenaw in his pocket?

              "We're half awake in a fake empire."

              by Alec82 on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:50:59 PM PDT

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              •  Actually, Jackson County (2+ / 0-)
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                is simililar to other parts of Michigan in that it is rather Democratic at the local level, while voting Republican presidentially.  Both of Jackson counties State Representatives, who were republicans, were defeated by democrats in 2006.  Washtenaw is in his pocket, and so is Calhoun, although I would guess that the result would be something like 55%-45% there.  He can also be competitive in Eaton and Lenawee counties, and the rest will go heavily for Walberg.

              •  My Parents Live In Jackson (2+ / 0-)
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                They love him... he's been very great and very responsive to them personally.  He has an office in Jackson and he actually listens to his constituents.


                You can have your "Under God" back when I get my "Liberty and Justice For All" back.

                by karateexplosions on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:58:42 PM PDT

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                •  Mark Schauer is a great guy (1+ / 0-)
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                  Neon Vincent

                  I worked on his campaign for state senate back in 2002. He really cares about people. He will be a great congressmen

                  •  I met Schauer in December. (1+ / 0-)
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                    Alec82

                    The guy did something almost no other politician has done--listen to me and take me seriously.  That was enough to switch my vote from Renier to Schauer; Renier never answered my request to volunteer for her campaign.

                    I think Schauer will be the kind of Democrat who will be good for all his constituents, including business.  I also think he knows how to get things done.

                    "Iraq: the bravest 1% fighting for the richest 1%." ~ An Unknown Kossack.

                    by Neon Vincent on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:13:26 PM PDT

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  •  CFG responsible for Sali in ID-01... (1+ / 0-)
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    Neon Vincent
    That's enough reason to hate these sons-o-bitches.

    Between these idiots and the Christian fundies, I'm hoping the Repubs implode after this election and scatter into a million little pieces.

    "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government. Always hopeful yet discontent, he knows changes aren't permanent. But change is." -Neil Peart

    by Boisepoet on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:24:06 PM PDT

  •  CFG- Giving Dems a shot in districts... (2+ / 0-)
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    Skaje, Neon Vincent

    that otherwise would be very difficult to take.

    Club for Growth...of the Democratic majority.

    John McCain: Healthcare for kids? Not in the Bush-McCain America.

    by bosdcla14 on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:24:11 PM PDT

  •  The Wrecking Crew (1+ / 0-)
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    This article in Harper's explains how these collage Republican zealots like those from the Club for Growth gained influence in the Republican Party.

    The Wrecking Crew

    How a gang of right-wing con men destroyed Washington and made a killing.

    McCain was for deregulating Wall Street before he was against it.

    by William Domingo on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:25:02 PM PDT

    •  They have a long history (1+ / 0-)
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      Neon Vincent

      of ruining the GOP, or trying to.  The Young Republicans came to power on college campuses in the 1950's and 1960's, buying into McCarthyism 100% (red-baiting was pretty much their entire agenda).
      After the Goldwater debacle they weren't heard from much.  But there will always be organizations for fanatics, and make no mistake, these people are that.    

      Voting Republican is like hiring a carpenter who thinks hammers are evil.

      by dotalbon on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:39:21 PM PDT

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      •  The Young Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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        The ones in the article started when Reagan got elected in 1980 when they were just young punks in their twenties. Jack Abramoff, and his friends Grover Norquist and Ralph Reed. Grover Norquist is the head of the Club for Growth.

        McCain was for deregulating Wall Street before he was against it.

        by William Domingo on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:57:50 PM PDT

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  •  And Gilchrest has made a difference (1+ / 0-)
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    jct

    An internal Kratovil poll has it TIED. That's amazing. This is a district a generic Republican should win +10. And Club For Growth (of only Big Business!) just did a HUGE money drop for Andy Harris.

    Here's the e-mail the Kratovil campaign sent earlier this week:  

    During the primary, my opponent received over a million dollars of support from the Club for Growth, a radical group that wants to eliminate any oversight of financial markets and has referred to senior citizens as "the new welfare state." Now it looks like history is repeating itself. On Friday, the Club for Growth sent out an email asking their members, the vast majority of whom live out of state and don't know the first thing about Maryland's First District, to send up to $2,300 apiece to Andy Harris.
    In the primary, Andy Harris used this out-of-state special interest money to fund his smears against Wayne Gilchrest and E.J. Pipkin. Sure enough, earlier this week he launched his first negative attack on me, misleading voters about my stances on important issues.
    Those of us who live here and raise our families here can't afford to let out-of-state special interests come in and buy this election. I need your help today to fight back, so I'm asking you to consider making a contribution to my campaign today.

    The Red To Blue page for Frank Kratovil is here.

    / love the part in the bold. That will play well on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. We're rather provincial down here. :)

    --Sent from my Blackberry, "the miracle John McCain helped create." (not really, for both)

    by duck on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:25:15 PM PDT

  •  Ideological Purity (1+ / 0-)
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    You mean like Kos wants to engage in after the election. There is a lesson here and we would be smart to heed it! Im not trolling but Kos's comments last week sounded CFG-ish to me.
  •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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    if Al Wynn had endorsed the repub over Donna Edwards, would any of us have given a shit?

    What do you call a parent that believes in abstinence only sex ed? A Grandparent.

    by ChurchofBruce on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:33:08 PM PDT

    •  No but there are two differences (0+ / 0-)

      Blacks aren't voting Repub for one, and it's not people like us that Wynn's endorsement would matter.  It is for the moderate and establishment Dems.

      John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

      by IhateBush on Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 05:45:17 PM PDT

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  •  Jackson Is My Home (3+ / 0-)
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    I love Schauer and believe me, this is HUGE for him there.


    You can have your "Under God" back when I get my "Liberty and Justice For All" back.

    by karateexplosions on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:36:12 PM PDT

  •  Serves the CfG bastards right (3+ / 0-)
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    That's two moderates they've knocked out that have gone on to endorse Democrats (the other being Wayne Gilchrest in Maryland).  They've also given us perpetual target Bill Sali.  If I recall correctly, they almost gave us a good pickup opportunity in the rural district of Nevada back in 2006 with a crazy candidate, but the more acceptable Republican won and held the seat.

    I think it speaks volumes that their primary challengers are weak even in blood red districts.

  •  This is win/win (2+ / 0-)
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    We can publicly target CFG races as strong pickup possibilities for Democrats. If CFG sees this, and then hesitates to mount primary challenges for Ideologically impure Republicans, Dems win by reducing their influence and, at worst, keeping Republicans in office who are more likely to work with Dems.

    At best, CFG picks off moderates of their own party, and sets up the challenger to be beaten by Democrat.

    "If the stars should appear but one night every thousand years how man would marvel and stare." Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by mftalbot on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:41:04 PM PDT

  •  Human Rights worker confronts Bob Schaffer's Camp (0+ / 0-)

    Whistleblowers lash Schaffer on Abramoff link

    Follow the link to the video

    Cheers

    Time to clean up DeLay's petri dish! Help CNMI guest workers find justice! Learn more at Unheard No More.

    by dengre on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:46:26 PM PDT

  •  OMG, that's bloody excellent. (2+ / 0-)
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    Joe Schwarz is very well-regarded in the district (his loss to Walberg notwithstanding), as he is a legitimate bi-partisan legislator on many issues.

    This was rumored for sometime, and Schwarz even denied that he'd do it, so this tastes all the sweeter.

    Congrats, Mark, and thanks, Joe.

    Peters for Congress (MI-09)
    Sarah Palin: The Peter Principle on steroids.

    by GOTV on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:55:41 PM PDT

  •  Shameless Plug (0+ / 0-)

    If anyone wants to follow all the action in MI-07 more closely, head over to Walberg Watch!

    Walberg Watch - MI-07's Radical Conservative Tim Walberg

    by Lenawee Liberal on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 06:30:04 PM PDT

  •  More bad news (0+ / 0-)

    for the GOP. As for Kratovil, if he is to win, he needs to dominate the 55% of the 1st district that is on the eastern shore. Harris will carry the heavily populated Baltimore exurban/suburban precincts in Anne Arundel, Baltimore, and Harford counties. Kratovil must keep Harris's margins there low.

    The problem facing MD Democrats is that the legislature purposely conceded MD-1 and MD-6 to the GOP so that they could eliminate Bob Ehrlich and Connie Morella's districts. To do that they threw in every Republican precinct from the Eastern Shore, Western Maryland, and exurban Baltimore/Washington. The 1st basically takes in the most Republican exurbs and suburbs in the Baltimore area, along with MD-6. When you add in the Eastern Shore, which is conservative, you end up with a solidly Republican district.

    Gilchrest endorsing Kratovil is a blow to his chance, though not necessarily fatal. MD-1 is by design a Republican district.

    •  That it is (0+ / 0-)

      But Wayne had a tremendous backing here. Hell, I voted for him every time, considering which Dems were running against him and his unfailing support for environmental issues concerning the Chesapeake.

      For Wayne to come out for Kratovil is huge. I don't think he would have done this if E.J. Pipken had beaten him in the primary. It took a CfG goon to rile him up this badly.

      --Sent from my Blackberry, "the miracle John McCain helped create." (not really, for both)

      by duck on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:29:31 PM PDT

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    •  Yup. (0+ / 0-)

      I live in the Maryland 8th, both in the area before the 2000 redistricting and after. Were it not for redistricting, she might still be in office (yes, she is 77 now). She is also someone who I could have seen possibly crossing the aisle when the Democrats took the house. She was as far as I could tell, one of the most liberal Republicans there.

      I know the first vote (who is the speaker) is the most important, but still, she was a classy lady and representative.

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