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Dear Senator Clinton Please Apologize (w/ 2 Updates)

Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 08:39:59 AM PDT

Here's a simple piece of unsolicited advice from someone who admittedly someone else as the Democratic nominee for president. I think you could do your campaign a world of good, and even more importantly, your country a great service, if you would do call a press conference and:

  1.  Make a Public Apology. No excuses, no qualifications. No, "my supporters went off the reservation and I can't be held responsible for what they say" remarks. Just a flat out straightforward "I and my supporters who made these racially insensitive remarks were wrong and I apologize to Senator Obama, his family, his supporters and to the American people." And promise it will not happen again. Ever.

(cont.)

Update 1 and 2 below fold.

  1. Make the same apology privately to Senator Obama, in person if possible.

  1. Fire anyone in your campaign who recommended, made or supported these race baiting tactics. That includes your husband.

That's all. If it was good enough for your husband regarding the lies he told about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, it should be good enough for you. You say you found your own voice. Start by using that voice to do the right thing as soon as possible.

Thank you,

Steven D

For those of you who would like to make a more direct complaint to Senator Clinton, her campaign phone number is (703) 469-2008. I just called and spoke to one of the campaign's volunteers/staffers and she assured me that any such complaints/comments will be passed along to the Senator. I recommend being polite. I also recommend stating specific instances of conduct from her surrogates that you found offensive. I specifically referred to Andrew Cuomo's "shuck and jive" comment, but I know there are many others which could also be mentioned.

Update [2008-1-11 12:0:58 by Steven D]: I'm having trouble posting responsive comments to this diary, and I am also having trouble seeing all the comments posted.  My comment keeps coming back as "post failed" and despite what I do it won't register.  So much as I would like to respond to every comment I am unable to do so.  Which is frustrating.

So for the record, I am not an Obama supporter.  Frankly I would prefer Kucinich or Edwards, but neither is likely to become the Democratic nominee.  Secondly, if Senator Obama has members of his campaign whose conduct or remarks justify an apology and firing, he should do so.  Immediately.  I don't think it benefits either Obama or Clinton to go negative in this manner.  And by negative I don't mean references to their political experience, or their records.  I mean what I have been seeing from Clinton surrogates/supporters like Bob Kerrey and Andrew Cuomo.  If Obama's campaign spokespersons or supporters are guilty of sexist remarks against Senator Clinton then Obama should also apologize for those and fire/denounce the people responsible.

Update [2008-1-11 12:14:2 by Steven D]: Just for comparison's sake, I thought it might be relevant to look at what a prominent African American blogger, the field negro has to say about the recent use of racially coded language against Obama.  I give you the following excerpt from his post dated January 9, 2008:

The truth of the matter is that the more powerful Barrack's movement becomes, the more irrelevant angry and cynical black men like the field Negro will become. A-merry-ca could shut the field up tomorrow by rising above petty racial and gender politics and and embracing a truly unifying change in her politics. But it ain't happening; you know it, and so do I.

So you all are angry now, and you are turning on your first black Prez. Just read this from Donna Brazile:

" I could understand his frustration at this moment. But, look, he shouldn't take out all his pain on Barrack Obama. It's time that they regroup. Figure out what Hillary needs to do to get her campaign back on track. It sounds like sour grapes coming from the former commander in chief. Someone that many Democrats hold in high esteem. For him to go after Obama, using a fairy tale, calling him as he did last week. It's an insult. And I will tell you, as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing..."

She was talking about BJ Bill of course, and her sentiments are being echoed by quite a few African American bloggers and others out there. Bill and Hilary Clinton can use code words with the best of them, and they know what buttons to push to bring out the racial bogeyman lurking behind every corner in A-merry-ca. And in case you were wondering, there is no gender bogeyman. Yes women have been discriminated against in this country, and they have suffered mightily at the hands of the all powerful white male. But don't for a minute think there is a fear of women out there. There isn't. But ask me if there is a fear of black men and you know what I will tell you.

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  •  Tips, flames (11+ / 0-)

    Her staff was very polite, but they did ask for specific instances.  I also stated that I had no idea if the campaign had anything to do with these remarks by her putative supporters such as Andrew Cuomo and Bob Kerrey, but that it didn't matter to me, because I thought it was important that she take responsibility for those speaking on her behalf and both denounce their statements publicly as well as apologize to Senator Obama for them.

    "I just had the basic view of the American public -- it can't be that bad out there." Marine Travis Williams after 11 members of his squad were killed.

    by Steven D on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 08:42:59 AM PDT

  •  Classy... (12+ / 0-)

    That's all. If it was good enough for your husband regarding the lies he told about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, it should be good enough for you. You say you found your own voice. Start by using that voice to do the right thing as soon as possible.

    /snark

  •  I just phoned Sen Clinton (16+ / 0-)

    And expressed my total Support,

    i then phoned Sen Obama and told him to fire Jesse Jackson Jnr.

    And also people like you using Monica Lewinsky against the democrats, make you no better than kenn starr.

  •  Hasn't this been debunked yet? (12+ / 0-)

    Are you calling on Obama to apologize for his confirmed race-baiting National CoChair to apologize for his unquestionable "tears" comment.

    Nope I didn't think so.

    We know who the "baiters" are out there... and they ain't on team Clinton.

    "The world is a mess, and I just need... to rule it" - Dr. Horrible

    by Niniane on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 08:44:07 AM PDT

  •  You've read my mind (1+ / 0-)

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    Seriously. I was up all night thinking of a "Dear Senator Clinton" letter to express my disgust with her campaign. Your is better. thank you.

    The weak in courage is strong in cunning-William Blake

    by beltane on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 08:44:52 AM PDT

    •  Send one to Obama too (6+ / 0-)

      This whole kerfluffle is a transparent attempt to take the attention away from Jesse Jr.s' race-baiting on Obama's behalf.

      Hmmmm
      Andrew Cuomo... No position with the Clinton Organization
      Jesse Jackson Jr.... Obama's National Campaign Co-Chair

      Yeah, those are the same thing.

      "The world is a mess, and I just need... to rule it" - Dr. Horrible

      by Niniane on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 08:53:58 AM PDT

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      •  You don't understand the politics of NY (0+ / 0-)

        Cuome saying that is just the same as if Charlie Rangel had said something.  Did you hear Andrew Young's comments that Bill was blacker than Obama and had more black women.  Again the Clinton campaign remained silent. And Young has been around so long and has great visibility.  You are judged by the company you keep and the Clinton's company are very sleazy.

  •  Didn't Andrew Sullivan (one of Obama's biggest (13+ / 0-)

    supporters and no fan of Clinton) defend Cuomo for this, pointing out that he wasn't talking about Obama at all?

    Hillary Clinton's Liberal Ranking http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/10/122232/619

    by tigercourse on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 08:45:01 AM PDT

  •  Has Obama apologized (6+ / 0-)

    for including an anti-gay "christian" on his gospel tour?

    Yeah, didn't think so.

  •  Hillary Clinton (6+ / 0-)

    should apologize for everything that anybody who supports her or who is even remotely associated with her campaign has ever said, or might possibly say in the future. Barack Obama, on the other hand, isn't responsible for what his supporters and campaign staff do or say, so there's no need for him to apologize or dis-associate himself from them?

    I was born a millworker's daughter.....

    by cackyp on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 08:51:01 AM PDT

  •  THIS IS PURE AND UNADULTERATED (7+ / 0-)

    HORSESHIT......................

  •  Dear Steven, seek professional help! (n/t) (4+ / 0-)

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  •  Doesn't get more transparent than this. (8+ / 0-)

    "I and my supporters who made these racially insensitive remarks were wrong and I apologize to Senator Obama, his family, his supporters and to the American people."

    Will Obama apologize personally for his (non-existent) gay hatred?  I hope not, since he doesn't have any.  Will he apologize for his anti-Edwards hatred -- not that he has any, of course, but some of his supporters here at dKos do, don't they?

    No, Obama won't even apologize for what his supporters say (rightfully so, since he's not responsible for them) let alone allow himself to be personally stained by their sometimes insane ravings.  Why should Clinton?

    Clinton has fired the person actually associated with her campaign who made a race-baiting statement (Bill Shaheen), which is more than Obama did when confronted with the McClurkin situation (and a good thing for Obama since, coincidentally or not, that episode coincides in time with his explosion in popularity among non-traditionally Democratic voters).

    This nonsense is getting sad.  It smacks of Maoist China -- trying to get Clinton to make phony self-criticisms as a racist.

    John McCain, you are _not_ my friend.

    by LarryInNYC on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 08:52:26 AM PDT

    •  so what good was that apology when they continue (0+ / 0-)

      to do.  Like my mother use to tell me, an apology will only get you so far unless you change your behavior. You keep siting one incident over and over.  But the Clinton's list is getting longer and longer.  So please give me a break. She is losing the AA vote big time.

  •  Here we go... (6+ / 0-)

    Is Obama going to apologize for Mclurkin?

    Is Jesse Jackson Jr. going to apologize?

    This whole "controversy" has been debunked when people actually heard the whole interview.

    Cuomo is his own man...

    Nothing for her to apologize for.

  •  Steven, if this isn't the very definition... (4+ / 0-)

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    ...of a "concern troll," then what is?  You are asking someone you don't support to do something you know they won't do, and then you will display their failure to do it as further evidence of how perfidious they are.  Oh, and the alleged need to apologize is based on a version of events that only your side believes to be true.

    I have more respect for the overtly malicious people who say "I won't vote for Hillary because she is a racist!"  At least they're being consistent: if it's as big a sin as they claim, the sinner isn't going to apologize.  

    -5.38/-3.74 I've suffered for my country. Now it's your turn! --John McCain with apologies to Monty Python's "Protest Song"

    by Rich in PA on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 08:54:35 AM PDT

  •  Um (6+ / 0-)

    This:

    That's all. If it was good enough for your husband regarding the lies he told about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, it should be good enough for you. You say you found your own voice. Start by using that voice to do the right thing as soon as possible.

    ...is out of line.

    •  As someone who defended Bill Clinton for many (0+ / 0-)

      years during that difficult time, I cannot tell you how disappointed I am about the comments he has been making. I have lost a lot of respect for him.  I remember sitting at a table when we were trying to recruit women to work for Hillary's campaign for her first run for the senate, and how hard I had to work to convince them to work for her because they were so angry with Bill and the fact that she did not leave him.  And no he makes these cheap attacks on Obama because he is threatening their plans of regaining the White House.  Eight years was enough I want to move on.  I am tired of those old fights which will only continue with Hillary.

  •  Delete this POS troll diary now (4+ / 0-)

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    Honestly, how low do standards have to sink here before the site proprietor will step in? Or does any piece of trash hit job get to stay as long as it supports his avowed choice, Obama? Shameful.

    The diarist should do the right thing and delete this. It does the diarist and the site -- and most importantly his candidate -- no favors.

  •  Just So We're Clear.... (5+ / 0-)

    Did The Obama Campaign ever apologize for this?

    The whole controversy might have been forgotten in the swell of gospel sound except Mr. McClurkin turned the final half hour of the three-hour concert into a revival meeting about the lightning rod he has become for the Obama campaign.

    He approached the subject gingerly at first. Then, just when the concert had seemed to reach its pitch and about to end, Mr. McClurkin returned to it with a full-blown plea: "Don’t call me a bigot or anti-gay when I have suffered the same feelings," he cried.

    "God delivered me from homosexuality," he added. He then told the audience to believe the Bible over the blogs: "God is the only way." The crowd sang and clapped along in full support.

    Now I don't believe Barack Obama is homophobic or believes what Mr. McClurkin is selling, but.....

    So, in the end, Obama let his "best" and "favorite" artist slam gays to thousands of African-Americans, in his name, and neither he nor his hand-chosen white gay preacher said anything in response. Class act, that Obama campaign. For them, creating a "dialogue" means the gay-basher gets to spread his bigotry to thousands while the candidate and the token gay STFU.

    •  Here's what gets me... (4+ / 0-)

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      Every time a Clinton supporter says something that is, or might be, racist we hear the "dog whistle" meme. But what the fuck was Obama doing by using McClurkin if not sounding the dog whistle for his black evangelical supporters? That wasn't talking in code? Somebody answer me this.

      Oh, wait...I forgot. It's OK if you're Obama.

      Well Dayum! The Fat Lady just sang her tits right off!

      by homogenius on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 09:39:21 AM PDT

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  •  So, on an issue that actually matters, has anyone (6+ / 0-)

    given any thought on how we are going to be able to beat McCain (the rising "star" of the Republican primary). Cause I think that's kind of important. Certainlt moreso then this.

    Hillary Clinton's Liberal Ranking http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/10/122232/619

    by tigercourse on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 09:01:45 AM PDT

    •  Can't keep these children from their food-fights (3+ / 0-)

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      StuartZ, cpresley, tigercourse

      The maturity level on this site is plummeting. It's shot way down below high-school level. We're picking up speed as we slide below middle school, to wind up fighting over whose turn it is to ride the see-saw....

      Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

      by FischFry on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 09:14:54 AM PDT

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      •  I'm reminded of early Doonesbury. (1+ / 0-)

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        I think it was originally one of his Yale cartoons, many of which he updated in syndication. B.D. is in the huddle when the team goes juvenile on him and he turns to address the reader and says "Sometimes these huddles have the subtle dynamic of a nursery school recess".

        Spot. On.

        Well Dayum! The Fat Lady just sang her tits right off!

        by homogenius on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 09:41:46 AM PDT

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      •  This is why... (2+ / 0-)

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        ...I want to troll-rate candidate diarists on sight. Unfortunately, that's considered TR abuse here. It would be better if they were just banned outright, and all the people who posted them sent packing.

        It's not that I'm against candidate advocacy; it's that so many candidate diarists are so goddamn pathetic and weak. Clinton's people usually rate from thoroughly dishonest to completely dishonest, Obama's people can't point to a single solid deliverable he's proposed, and Edwards's people (me included) can't seem to get over the fact that he's awfully toasty if not actual toast. And don't get me started on Kucinich, Gravel, and Ron Paul.

        I've been contemplating a diary entitled "I hate your fucking candidate," on exactly this topic. Maybe it's time I wrote it.

    •  As far as I can tell? (1+ / 0-)

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      If he's the nominee, we're in deep shit.

      Anyone else we can demolish, no matter who we nominate. But McCain is going to be a major PITA unless we can debunk the surge. As we've seen, the media is doing us no favors in that regard.

  •  Please, Please Read This (8+ / 0-)

    Here's the link to the source.

    Read the whole thing.  Andrew Cuomo's talking about retail vs. big state politics.  There's nothing about this in its actual context that can be construed as racist--nothing.

       Question: "You know I’ve said this on my show before, I think the American people are very lucky to have most these candidates, the major party candidates, I think they’re all quality people, they have disagreements, but they’re all quite talented, and I think the people of Iowa and now New Hampshire really have allowed the rest of America to see much of this because I think to their great credit it requires politicians to kind of get down, not kind of, get down in the grassroots, I think I heard John McCain say he had something like 110 community meeting before the primaries - fabulous - you know, I wish we could see that here in New York."

       Andrew Cuomo: "You know I’ve spent a lot of time in other races, especially in Iowa and in New Hampshire, back with Gore and back with Clinton. Those races require you to do something no other race does, you know, and I like it, and I agree with you, it’s a good thing.
       "It’s not a TV-crazed race, you know, you can’t just buy your way through that race ...It doesn’t work that way, it’s frankly a more demanding process. You have to get on a bus, you have to go into a diner, you have to shake hands, you have to sit down with ten people in a living room.
       "You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference, you can’t just put off reporters, because you have real people looking at you saying answer the question, you know, and all those moves you can make with the press don’t work when you’re in someone’s living room.
       "And I think it’s good for the candidates, I think it makes the candidates communicate in a way that works with real people because you know in a living room right away whether or not you’re communicating, and I think the questions are good and I think the scrutiny is good, so you can, you can say they’re small states and they get a lot of attention -- they are very good for the process, I believe that."

    Please, please put down your partisan guns for a moment and look at what you're doing to Democrats.

    Whether Andrew Cuomo is a Clinton supporter or not, there is no reason at all to besmirch a fellow Democrat's name with horrible charges of racism based on hearsay.  No reason whatsoever.

    I'm not going to demand that you apologize, but I will demand that Barack Obama apologize if this sort of character assassination isn't stopped.

    Please do some research before you attack.  Please.

    (and no, I'm not a fucking Hillary supporter, and no, I'm not a fucking Edwards supporter, and no, I'm not a fucking Ron Paul supporter, and no, I Have no fucking partisan interest in this at all, besides being a disgusted voter)