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Bill and Hillary respond to allegations of racial insensitivity

Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 10:20:35 PM PDT

It's been a long couple of days for the progressive community here. But there is some late night news, and its good.

The Clintons defended themselves Friday against charges of racial insensitivity towards Democratic rival Barack Obama.

"Well, I think its regrettable because both of these accusations are baseless and divisive and any fair reading of what both of us said would be clear and I think it's regrettable that these are being in a way used to try to divide people in our country during this election and I'm not going to have any part of it," Clinton told ABC News. "I personally find it offensive."

Not only does Senator Clinton defend herself eloquently, she also turns it around and makes it clear that anyone who exploits this politically is being 'offensive'.

"You know," she continued, "I was inspired by Dr. King when I was a young girl. I considered him one of my heroes, a global symbol, an icon of everything that is the best about America and he worked his entire life to make the changes that we enjoy today so I hope that this kind of unfortunate political activity really just ceases because I don't think this is what we want this election to be about."

Look, either you support Senator Clinton, or you don't. Thats fine. But to have a fall-down, drag-out argument over who is racist and who is sexist is a losing proposition for all of us. I'm glad they realize this and have nipped it in the bud. It gives me a little more faith that whatever bad press the Rethugs throw at them down the line will be dealt with in the best way possible (should she win the nomination, of course).

Bill also appeared on Al Sharpton's radio program today. It was a good appearance and can be listened to here.

Now, lets put this behind us and concentrate on winning in November and making fun of Chimpy McGee.

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  •  tips if you got em... (7+ / 0-)

    staring into the abyss hasn't been fun, has it?

  •  Give me a break (6+ / 0-)

    They started shit and now says other people are making a big deal about it.  I hope they lose a lot of African American support over this.

    Nothing can stand in the way of a million voices calling for change! - Obama

    by jalenth on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 10:23:20 PM PDT

  •  the msm wants to make it all about (4+ / 0-)

    anything that will divert attention from the real issues of the campaign. race works quite nicely for this purpose.
    why talk about iraq and how to get out of it? why talk about the economy and how to fix it?

    i've got a vision... a world free of george w bush. yes!

    by titotitotito on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 10:26:06 PM PDT

  •  Nipped it in the bud? (7+ / 0-)

    By saying that the accusations are baseless, divisive, unfortunate, and personally offensive? As in, Hillary's the real victim here?

    We'll see how well that goes over. I have my suspicions.

  •  "nipped it in the bud."?? (2+ / 0-)

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    I saw no comments demand that members of their Camp stop making these inane statements. I saw no acknowledgement..It was just "Oh no..poor us. We can't have this".

    Wow, how edgy, daring, principled. lol

    Its the delegates that count

    by Morgan Sandlin on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 10:29:50 PM PDT

    •  Would it have been better... (3+ / 0-)

      ....for them to counter-attack them on this?

      Because they could have. And they didn't.

      •  Here's the thing... (0+ / 0-)

        ...perhaps the accusations against her are in fact baseless and divisive.

        But is calling them baseless and divisive going to unite?

        Personally, I tend to think the accusations AREN'T baseball, but ARE divisive.

        That's what you get though when you start making an issue of your opponent's identity.

        Hillary's side, write large, has done this far more than Obama.

        Whatever. Both sides should stop.

        Focus on the POSITIVE sides of their identity.

        Hillary WON NH by focusing on her OWN identity. Plus, she's lucky -- 57-58% of dem voters are female.

        No need to go there.

        No need to divide to conquer.

        The Jed Report | Barack Obama for President

        by JedReport on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 10:41:47 PM PDT

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        •  these are not baselesss (3+ / 0-)

          Obama is gasp - a secret Muslim - email sent out by a certain Candidate's staff - twice.

          Republicans may say that Obama sold drugs - Shaheen - a certain candidate’s former NH Co-Chair

          Mark Penn, a certain candidate's head political advisor brings up "Cocaine" several times during an interview regarding the Shaheen scandal.

          Obama went to school in a Madrasa - ohhh and his middle name is HUSSEIN in case you all forgot- Kerrey - a certain Candidate's supporter and Former US Senator.

          "You can't shuck and jive at a news conference" - Cuomo - a certain Candidate's supporter and NY State Atty General.

          Grandpa is mean and he smells funny.

          by MadAsHellMaddie on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 10:45:22 PM PDT

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          •  I said the they AREN'T baseless. (0+ / 0-)

            I made a typo and said baseball but i think it was clear what I meant.

            My point is that to a degree the response has been divisive.

            This isn't lowering the temperature.

            The way these things are headed, the only outcome is a bad outcome.

            The Jed Report | Barack Obama for President

            by JedReport on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 12:20:02 AM PDT

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  •  Hang in there ScanDroid (6+ / 0-)

    The Hillary haters are full of piss and vinegar tonight.

    I too liked their response. Simple without unnecessary bluster. The Clinton's racist? No f***ing way.

    Go Hillary!

    'I don't want any commies in my car. Christians either!' Repo Man

    by Psychotronicman on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 10:35:22 PM PDT

  •  Clinton Advisor: "Imaginary hip black friend" (4+ / 0-)

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    Here we go again. According to The Guardian, a Clinton adviser said ""If you have a social need, you're with Hillary. If you want Obama to be your imaginary hip black friend and you're young and you have no social needs, then he's cool."

    The idea that anything has been "nipped in the bud" is wishful thinking on your part. This is one black Edwards supporter who has had enough. As of now, I'm planning on voting for Obama in the California primary, though I'm holding on to my absentee ballot because either a more competitive Edwards or another Donnie McClurkin incident could change my mind again.

    •  i'd recommend... (4+ / 0-)

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      Trix, daria g, Manny, Psychotronicman

      not believing every anonymous source you read in poorly written, illogical, blatantly Anti-Hillary opinion pieces.

      •  no anonymous here (3+ / 0-)

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        its a pattern. But keep looking away.  

        Obama is gasp - a secret Muslim - email sent out by a certain Candidate's staff - twice.

        Republicans may say that Obama sold drugs - Shaheen - a certain candidate’s former NH Co-Chair

        Mark Penn, a certain candidate's head political advisor brings up "Cocaine" several times during an interview regarding the Shaheen scandal.

        Obama went to school in a Madrasa - ohhh and his middle name is HUSSEIN in case you all forgot- Kerrey - a certain Candidate's supporter and Former US Senator.

        "You can't shuck and jive at a news conference" - Cuomo - a certain Candidate's supporter and NY State Atty General.

        I am now fully expecting Hillary to don a flight suit at some point.

        Grandpa is mean and he smells funny.

        by MadAsHellMaddie on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 10:44:48 PM PDT

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    •  Remember when Novak used an unnamed source... (3+ / 0-)

      and totally smeared  Hillary, with regard to claiming she was sitting on info that would sink Obama... and then it all turned out to be 3rd-hand bullshit.

    •  Until they name a source... (1+ / 0-)

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      ...the Guardian editorial is pure unadulterated bullshit.

      The MSM and the Republicans are trying to play the African-American voters for fools. If they can paint Hillary as a racist before the GE they hope it will suppress their voter turn-out numbers.

      What would really impress me and would actually make me think of switching my vote would be if Sen. Obama was to step up and condemn these accusations publicly. Now that would be a change.  

      'I don't want any commies in my car. Christians either!' Repo Man

      by Psychotronicman on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 10:44:01 PM PDT

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    •  Ouch. That's back to (2+ / 0-)

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      the fairy tale thing, the stupid dreamers.

      I don't think the Clinton's are racist, they just assume people are only drawn to Obama for his surface appeal. They insult black voters, young voters and young at heart voters all in one.

      I can't commit to Obama being my "Imaginary hip black friend". I'm not sure he is hip because I don't know what kind of music he likes.

      But I do plan to vote for him...despite my social needs and lack of desire for imaginary friends.

  •  Two words: "Sister Souljah!" (1+ / 0-)

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    Obama/Webb 2008 - Change with the muscle to make it happen!

    by ConcernedCitizenYouBet on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 10:42:08 PM PDT

  •  I truly have had it (4+ / 0-)

    with this woman and her husband.Through the last year it has become more apparent to me what they are about and it is not anything that will be of benefit to our country as a whole. They are in this for the power and to be in the WH.\
    What they have done over the last weeks to Obama is beyond the pale and hope that it will catch up to them.As a lifelong progressive I am so heartbroken that Clinton is a strong possiblilty and if elected will create more division in the country again --just look at this primary and think back to what it was like with the two of them. Sorry but she is disgusting to me and never ever thought that I would feel this way about the Clintons but now understand why they were so disliked.

  •  You know... (3+ / 0-)

    ...for most of these, I can see how with enough gymnastics, you can construct something kind of offensive. But I have no idea how the fairy tale thing could possibly be thought of as racist.

    Can someone explain this to me?

    •  i think... (1+ / 0-)

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      Psychotronicman

      it was just taken as an extreme DISS of the man who might be the first African-American president.

      when in actuality, it was a diss of his war record and the media's lack of scrutiny.

      context is VERY important. though i realize that simply accusing them of racism is a lot easier than sorting that out.

    •  I don't see it as racist... (4+ / 0-)

      but more, eh, this is going to sound melodramatic, but here goes, they're crushing people's hopes.  There are a lot of people invested in Obama.  Young people who always thought their voices didn't really matter, African Americans who never dreamed they might one day see a black president.  Even people like me, who just want the bitter divides healed.  I feel like Obama helps his supporters feel empowered, like they can make a difference.

      People are hopeful, and it seems to me that the Clintons are telling people, "Don't get your hopes up.  It doesn't get any better than the 90's.  Don't dream it can be better.  Stay safe."  Maybe that's realism, but IMO, what they will succeed in doing is suppressing the vote.  Young people will tune out again, African American's may stay home.

      In my mind I connect this with the MLK/LBJ thing.  What I hear coming from the Clintons is that the people don't make the difference, only the president does.

      This to me is one of the saddest things about it.  One of the cruelest things you can do is take away someone's hope.

      "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain

      by Shaniriver on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 11:49:48 PM PDT

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    •  it isn't at all (0+ / 0-)

      i think there is a pattern of racial comments, but the fairy tale thing is completely unrelated.

      it could be related to the "false hope" stuff, but maybe not.

    •  kid oakland says it best (0+ / 0-)

      Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

      by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:02:34 AM PDT

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  •  Let me put my Psych degree to some good use... (4+ / 0-)

    I see only two options to explain the extreme vitriol I am seeing on this thread and others:

    1. The Clintons really are disgusting racists who will do anything to win.
    1. People who have extreme dislike for Hillary and extreme like for one of her opponents saw this as a possible way for her campaign to collapse, and it looks like its not gonna happen. (for further evidence of this theory, see the "NH vote was rigged" frenzy from yesterday)
  •  i actually don't think they are racists... (1+ / 0-)

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    and i like bill and i like hilary...not my first choices, but i will vote for them...

    but this was a pretty weak try to get out from the latest gaffs...and surely not "nipping it in the bud"...they took no, none, nada responsibility...

    blaming people for being too sensitive to these remarks isn't going to cut it...

    yes, it is all our fault for disliking the phrases used time and time again

    stop the phrases, jump on the people hard that use them instead of jumping on me because i know that shuck and jive is not acceptable

    and then we can all just get along again

    g

    There is no trickle down, because greed expands to absorb any excess. DevilsTower

    by thegelding on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 11:11:24 PM PDT

    •  you are working on the assumption (3+ / 0-)

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      that they are guilty and have something to apologize for.

      do you think its possible...POSSIBLE...that things were taken out of context and used against them? because, you know what....there's plenty of evidence that this is exactly what happened.

      •  well they can blame me and others for being... (0+ / 0-)

        sensitive to recent remarks, or they can apologize and move forward, even if they feel that they are being wrongly blamed...or they could ignore it all and hopes it goes away...

        the last choice never works, the middle choice is hard and carries some risk i guess, the first choice solves nothing except hardening both sides even more

        probably not a good spot to be in, and it is too bad...we have bigger issues to solve...but blaming the people hurt won't heal the party rift...

        the first step should be obama and hilary having a joint press conference, the second step will be to stop the really poor comments coming from both sides

        g

        There is no trickle down, because greed expands to absorb any excess. DevilsTower

        by thegelding on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 11:45:09 PM PDT

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    •  Check it out ScanDroid (0+ / 0-)

      See how fake all this 'outrage' is? The Hillary haters take fake innuendo and try to seem worked up in a lather to bully her supporters.

      I especially like the sheer stupidity of the recurring statement, "I don't think they are racists but they are using racist tactics." Actually, by default any person using racist tactics logically would then be a racist wouldn't they? I think I've seen that particular comment about a dozen times today already.

      'I don't want any commies in my car. Christians either!' Repo Man

      by Psychotronicman on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 11:28:54 PM PDT

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  •  Missing the pont (1+ / 0-)

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    TrueBlueMajority

    Look, either you support Senator Clinton, or you don't. Thats fine. But to have a fall-down, drag-out argument over who is racist and who is sexist is a losing proposition for all of us.

    Agreed.  Because the Clintons are not racists and the Obamas are not sexists.  But that's not the point.

    The Clintons and their surrogates have been using racially-insensitive language for weeks now.  It's not acceptable and it needs to stop.

    As to the veracity of the quote in the Guardian, there's an easy way for the Clintons to prove it false.  She and her staff can give the journalist permission to print the name of the source of the quote.  If it wasn't one of her people, that's what she should do.

  •  Wait a minute. (1+ / 0-)

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    I think I just got why people are still so pissed.

    By explaining his "fairy tale" remark, he gets to repeat again and again that the point was actually about Obama's record on the Iraq war. Which has undeniably been a strength, but maybe not so much now.

    Its really quite ingenious: Have ransom supporters say stupid shit, have Hillary botch an answer regarding MLK, imply that Obama is a fake...getting in enough hot water for people to question it....then go on every major African-American talk show and explaining that Obama is not a fairy tale, but his war record is!

    This is why they are diabolical geniuses. This takes talent.

  •  Excellent. Great news... (2+ / 0-)

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    ScanDroid, Psychotronicman

    ...those who seek to disturbingly smear the Clintons with baseless accusations of 'racism' are now on notice.

    Your BS is not going to be tolerated by Senator Clinton's campaign.

    If you hate the Clintons, fine. If you support another candidate, fine.

    But when you attempt to disparage a former President and honorary member of the Arkansas Black Hall of Fame as well as his Senator wife, you have crossed the line.

    No more BS, no matter how politically expedient it might seem.

    Senator Obama should fire Jesse Jackson Jr. NOW and apologize for the remarks the co-chair of his campaign made against Senator Clinton.

    Nothing else is acceptable.

    Will Senator Obama do the right thing here and condemn Jackson's remarks and terminate his co-chairmanship?

    We'll all be watching to see if Obama makes the correct move here or whether he is comfortable with a high-ranking campaign member implying that Hillary Clinton didn't care about the victims of Katrina, a disproportionate amount of whom were black.

    Disgusting.

  •  In 1964... (1+ / 0-)

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    Senator Clinton was reportedly a big fan of Senator Barry Goldwater, who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (as well as the earlier legislation in 1960 and 1957).  In her statement above, she claims instead that she was a big fan of MLK, who, of course, was the driving moral force behind the Civil Rights Acts.  I find it curious that a Goldwater advocate was also inspired by the creator/author of legislation opposed by Senator Goldwater.

    Was she inspired prior to 1964 when she became a Goldwater advocate??  What was it about MLK's legislative agenda that inspired her??  And why, in 1964, when it counted, did she support a candidate adamantly opposed to federal civil rights legislation?

    "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

    by Viceroy on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 12:17:59 AM PDT

    •  um (1+ / 0-)

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      Psychotronicman

      because she was, like....12 years old?

      come on. seriously. really? its coming to shit like this?

      •  Did you read her statement?? (2+ / 0-)

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        Am I allowed to comment and ask questions about her statement??  If she was such a devotee of MLK as she says, why did she support, when she was 17 years old, the presidential candidacy of an inveterate opponent of MLK's legislative dream?

        It would seem to be a relavant question to ask given her statement.  Why do you disagree?

        "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

        by Viceroy on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 12:51:06 AM PDT

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        •  When did she say she was a devotee (1+ / 0-)

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          of MLK at 17? She said she had an opportunity to hear him speak in 1963 and he insire her.

          And as for Goldwater:

          Goldwater supported the Arizona NAACP and was involved in desegregating the Arizona National Guard. Nationally, he supported the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960 and the constitutional amendment banning the poll tax.

          •  Goldwater's position (1+ / 0-)

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            was nuanced.  He did vote AGAINST the civil rights act because he thought that it overreached federal authority.

            He was for the previous ones because he thought those were within the Federal authority.

            I think that B. G. was a classic example of someone who was too bound to a philosophy.

            When liberals saw 9-11, we wondered how we could make the country safe. When conservatives saw 9-11, they saw an investment opportunity.

            by onanyes on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 03:34:33 AM PDT

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            •  Obama's supporters give him a pass when he (0+ / 0-)

              voted "present" on bills that he thought had questionable Constitutional issues but are so quick to paint Goldwater as a racist for voting against the 1964 CRA on the same grounds.

              •  Goldwater wasn't a racist (1+ / 0-)

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                but I think that he was badly misguided at times.

                I think that he was ahead of his time on some gay-rights issues as well (he was for gays serving in the military; I believe he made the "you don't need to be straight; you just need to shoot straight" remark)

                When liberals saw 9-11, we wondered how we could make the country safe. When conservatives saw 9-11, they saw an investment opportunity.

                by onanyes on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 09:02:25 AM PDT

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      •  Just when you thought they couldn't go any lower (0+ / 0-)

        They achieve new lows...

        HRC was raised by a Republican father. When she went to college, she became aware of the civil rights and Vietnam protests (at Wellesley)...and became a lifelong Democrat.

        What is the statute of limitations for being impacted by your father's political views?

        Another Obam-oron!

        •  The year after MLK earned the Nobel Peace Prize.. (0+ / 0-)

          Senator Clinton volunteered, as a teenager, for the Goldwater campaign, which, as history has recorded, prevailed only in a few Southern states, primarily based on his well-known opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.  When I was 17, I was pretty aware of where candidates stood on important issues, and I didn't rely upon my father for my political views.

          In her statement, Senator Clinton claimed to be inspired by MLK, who supported federal action on civil rights.  She obviously wasn't inspired enough to actually do anything about it.  Unlike other teenagers, she didn't volunteer for the Freedom Rides, she wasn't part of the Albany Project, nor the Mississippi Project, she wasn't part of the Children's Miracle in Birmingham and she certainly didn't attend Freedom Summer in 1962 or 1964.  Teenagers her age who actually were inspired by Dr. King were far more active.  Teenagers her age who were inspired didn't volunteer for the presidential campaign of one of the most nototious opponents of the 1964 Act.

          A more accurate statement from her (or her staff) would have said something like "I watched from afar, as a young girl, the inspiring activities of Dr. King and, as I grew older and wiser, in college and law school, I was able to reflect upon the tremendous changes that he instigated."  

          Volunteering for Goldwater is part of her record.  It was Bill that memorized the "I Have a Dream" speech and proseletyzed his friends and teachers about it.  Senator Clinton's actual record regarding King is not Bill's.

          "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

          by Viceroy on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 09:31:46 AM PDT

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  •  I don't think the "It took a president" comment (0+ / 0-)

    was racist. I think it reflected Hillary's belief that The People can't effect change without a strong Father to help them and that she can be that Father who knows what the people need better than the people do.  And that's what I don't like about her.  Although, on the other hand, when I think of how we've mostly passively sat by and complained while Bush ruins our country, maybe she's right.  We've mostly lost the feeling that we have the power to make change, that we can have a Boston Tea Party, that we can rise up and effect change.  I say we because I include myself in that. What do I really do? Post on blogs? I should be out in the streets.  I keep asking where's the revolution, but who am I waiting to start it for me?  A Father Who Knows What I Need?

    Nevertheless, Hillary will be beholden to the corporations and her decisions will always consider them and their needs, which means the rich will keep getting richer, the poor will get poorer and, as long as she keeps getting the millions she needs to run for reelection, I don't see her changing that.  That's why I can't vote for her in the primaries.  If she wins the nomination, I'll vote for her, but I'll hold my nose while I do it.  

    •  More Dreck (0+ / 0-)

      When Bill was President he RAISED TAXES ON THE WEALTHY.

      If they love the rich so much, why did they raise taxes on the rich?

      Oh, by the way, the middle class did better under Clinton than at any time since Ike.

      Don't bother answering - you'll just embarrass yourself further.

      How old are you? 7?

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