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The Swiftboating of Barack Obama

Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:22:09 AM PDT

In 2004, John Kerry's greatest strength was the fact that he was a war hero. That strength was turned into a weakness by a tactic now known as swiftboating.

But swifboating is not a new tactic. McCain's strength in 2000 was his compassion as demonstrated by his adoption of a child. Karl Rove used that strength against him in the 2000 South Carolina primary race through lies and manipulation.

Max Cleland's greatest strength was his patriotism, and that was turned on its head by advertisements in such a twisted way that Saxby Chambliss was able to make enough Georgians actually believe he was not patriotic to win a Senate race.

We've seen the swiftboating of Barack Obama begin in this primary race.

Anybody who will deny there is a pattern to the racially charged comments that have been interjected into the presidential race is either naive or a liar. It cannot be denied and it's become quite obvious it is a calculated effort to turn what is Barack Obama's greatest strength against him.

Barack Obama's greatest strength is the fact that he transcends race, and this generates majority appeal. The Clinton campaign cannot afford to allow that to continue, thus a calculated dogwhistle campaign was engaged in to draw out charges of racism.

The racial code words of this dogwhistle campaign, however, were not directed at the racists in America. They were directed at the very community that had so embraced the Clintons for so long. They were directed at the African American community. It was imperative that the African American community see this as an attack on one of their own. An outcry had to be raised. The Clintons have plenty of people on their side who would credibly defend them against such charges, so the die was cast.

And now, race has been interjected as an issue into this campaign. The real vetting has begun.

I believe the Clintons view Barack Obama as an untested naive amateur when it comes to politics. They see Barack Obama as a phenomenon similar to the baseball pitcher who comes on fast and does so well, until he hits his first major league game where he chokes badly. This belief of mine is supported by former President Bill Clintons statements about running for president too early.

I also believe the Clintons have fatally underestimated Barack Obama's capabilities in the political arena.

There is another political strategy called "rope a dope", playing off the boxing strategy of Ali. Barack Obama appeared a bit cocksure when he stated that he came from Chicago where we're not afraid to mix it up.

And the Clintons bit. Day after day we have seen the racially charged comments from Clinton aides, endorsers, and even President and Mrs. Clinton themselves. They have been extremely clever, delivered in such a way so that there is plausible deniability (especially in the cases of the Clintons) or where there are no Clinton fingerprints, the classic delivery method of a swiftboat attack.

Then the Jesse Jackson Jr. statements come out and it looks like Obama has bitten on the Clinton line.

And now, the racial division issue has hit the mainstream media, because they bit, too. This is a story too rich with conflict and too viscious that the MSM could never let it go.

We will see the full vetting of Barack Obama in the coming days.

Anybody who has read The Audacity of Hope knows how Barack Obama addresses this issue. For a clue as to how this will be addressed, I would direct the reader to the debate prior to the Iowa Caucuses and how Barack Obama defended Joe Biden.

Race is now solidly interjected into the campaign as an issue. The swiftboat tactic worked as it appears Barack Obama will now be defined as the black candidate instead of the candidate who happens to be black. The strength looks now to become a weakness.

Looks can be deceiving.

The candidate himself will need to address this issue. There is nothing else to be done. Oh, it will swell and fester, probably for several days. It will get uglier as surrogates from both sides allow the accusations to fly. But in the end, Barack Obama will have to address the issue.

And what better way to address any issue than with a public speech?

We all know what happens when Barack Obama delivers an important speech.

How could the media not carry a speech by Barack Obama delivered on the issue of race? How could they not be willing to carry such a speech from such a man during primetime?

The dope has been roped, and it's too late to go back. The attempt to turn what was perceived as his greatest strength into a weakness will be defeated with Barack Obama's even greater strength, his power as an orator.

Instead of perfecting the swiftboat politics, Barack Obama is about to end them.

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  •  TR jar for the Clinton supporters. (15+ / 1-)

    Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

    - Albert Einstein

    by Walt starr on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:22:17 AM PDT

    •  Looks like Obama supporters are the swiftboaters (2+ / 1-)

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      here.

      Frankly, it looks like the Obama supporters are dragging out the race card with their smearing of the Clinton campaign.

      Exhibit A: Jesse Jackson, Jr., race-panderer like his old man. Enough said.

      "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

      by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:31:34 AM PDT

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      •  I do not like your comment at all. (14+ / 0-)

        This is crap:

        Jesse Jackson, Jr., race-panderer like his old man

        That statement borders on racism in my view.  And I think you are a pig.

        Jesse Jackson was and is a great man and a great Democrat.

        I understand. Jesse Jackson is my third name. I'm adopted. When I had no name, my grandmother gave me her name. My name was Jesse Burns 'til I was 12. So I wouldn't have a blank space, she gave me a name to hold me over. I understand when nobody knows your name. I understand when you have no name.

        I understand. I wasn't born in the hospital. Mama didn't have insurance. I was born in the bed at [the] house. I really do understand. Born in a three-room house, bathroom in the backyard, slop jar by the bed, no hot and cold running water. I understand. Wallpaper used for decoration? No. For a windbreaker. I understand. I'm a working person's person. That's why I understand you whether you're Black or White. I understand work. I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I had a shovel programmed for my hand.

        My mother, a working woman. So many of the days she went to work early, with runs in her stockings. She knew better, but she wore runs in her stockings so that my brother and I could have matching socks and not be laughed at at school. I understand.

        At 3 o'clock on Thanksgiving Day, we couldn't eat turkey because momma was preparing somebody else's turkey at 3 o'clock. We had to play football to entertain ourselves. And then around 6 o'clock she would get off the Alta Vista bus and we would bring up the leftovers and eat our turkey -- leftovers, the carcass, the cranberries -- around 8 o'clock at night. I really do understand.

        Every one of these funny labels they put on you, those of you who are watching this broadcast tonight in the projects, on the corners, I understand. Call you outcast, low down, you can't make it, you're nothing, you're from nobody, subclass, underclass; when you see Jesse Jackson, when my name goes in nomination, your name goes in nomination.

        I was born in the slum, but the slum was not born in me. And it wasn't born in you, and you can make it.

        Wherever you are tonight, you can make it. Hold your head high; stick your chest out. You can make it. It gets dark sometimes, but the morning comes. Don't you surrender!

        Suffering breeds character, character breeds faith. In the end faith will not disappoint.

        You must not surrender! You may or may not get there but just know that you're qualified! And you hold on, and hold out! We must never surrender!! America will get better and better.

        Keep hope alive. Keep hope alive! Keep hope alive! On tomorrow night and beyond, keep hope alive!

        Jesse Jackson, 1988 Democratic National Convention Address

        How dare you attack a great man and a great Democrat.

        John Edwards said in January or February 2007:

        "If you’re not voting for Barack because he’s Black, and you’re not voting for Hillary because she’s a woman, don’t vote for me."

        Eseence mag, quoting John Edwards

        Calling Jesse Jackson a race panderer suggests to me that Senator Clinton needs to make similar statement to rid her supporters of a few bozos.

        "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

        by TomP on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:41:57 AM PDT

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        •  Pound sand, son; they are what they are... (0+ / 0-)

          Jesse Jackson, Jr.'s, own words should be his own political epitaph. He is what he is.

          "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

          by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:48:10 AM PDT

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          •  Don't call me son. (7+ / 0-)

            I likely am much older than you.  

            Your animus toward Jesse Jackson reveals much about you.  

            Bill and Hillary Clinton do not share your views of Jesse Jackson.

            While Jackson was initially critical of the "Third Way" or more moderate policies of Bill Clinton, he became a key ally in gaining African American support for Clinton and eventually became a close advisor and friend of the Clinton family. Clinton awarded Jackson the Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest honor bestowed on civilians.

            wikipedia

            President Bill Clinton in awarding Jesse jackson the Medal of Freedom:

            Clinton introduced Jackson by saying,

            "You are now about to witness one of the best things about this ceremony--for a change, I don't have to follow Jesse Jackson. But the truth is, America has followed Reverend Jackson, as he marched with Dr. King, walked the picket lines, ran for our nation's highest office, instilling hope and inspiring millions, beginning with his own remarkable family.

            "From the streets of Watts to the hollows of Appalachia, as my Special Envoy to Africa, and leader of Rainbow/PUSH, he has walked the walk of freedom. When I think of Rainbow/ PUSH, I think of two things--rainbow means we've all got a place at the table; push is what Jesse does when he thinks I'm not doing right. The cause of justice has no greater co-worker than Jesse Jackson," said Clinton of Jackson who last year helped to win the freedom for three American prisoners of war in Yugoslavia (JET, May 17, 1999).

            He continued, "It's hard to imagine how we could have come as far as we have without the creative power, the keen intellect, the loving heart, and the relentless passion of Jesse Louis Jackson. And God isn't done with him yet."

            Jet,  August 28, 2000 , quoting then-President William Jefferson Clinton

            Bill Clinton is so much better than you. So is Hillary Clinton.

            "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

            by TomP on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:06:31 AM PDT

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        •  Exhibits B & C: :"Hymietown" and Farrakhan, 1984 (2+ / 0-)

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          Be real careful who you're supporting and the over all good (or bad) they are capable of providing the cause in question.

          "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

          by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:55:51 AM PDT

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        •  Do I agree with TomP? (2+ / 0-)

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          Wow.  

          Thanks Tom.  I respect your passion for Edwards, and I appreciate you bringing some reason into this devolving conversation.

          I must admit, I knew Edwards was my #2, but after all these Clinton dirty tricks, Edwards is DEFINITELY my #2.  If the Clintons are successful in swiftboating Obama (I hope not), then I'll take a leave from my job to help Edwards beat Clinton.  

        •  Hey, everybody!! (2+ / 0-)

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          I rec'd a comment from TomP!! :)

          Seiously.  I agree with you 100% on this one, and TRed to bring attention to the comment you responded to.

          Nice post, TomP.

    •  Wow! (9+ / 0-)

      Anybody who will deny there is a pattern to the racially charged comments that have been interjected into the presidential race is either naive or a liar. It cannot be denied and it's become quite obvious it is a calculated effort to turn what is Barack Obama's greatest strength against him.

      Well, now you have done everyone's thinking for them, the rest of us will just stop thinking.  And we we disagree, we cerrtainly are either not as wordly as you (i.e., stupid) or lying (i.e., dishonest racist scum).  

      The need for some folks to be victims and feel persecuted is so apparent.  Obama does not express this.

      You harm Barack Obama with this tactic.  Making him a victim portrays him as weak.  You also implicitly suggest that the Republcians can easily use race to defeat him.  With friends like you ... .  Obama deserves better supporters than many of the ones he has.

      All one has to do is see him to realize he is black.  Your entire argument makes no sense.

      I firmly believe the hate between the Obama and Clinton camps exists, at least in part, becuase there are few significant policy differences between them.  

      "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

      by TomP on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:33:40 AM PDT

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    •  Sure, have a donut for inflaming racial passions (1+ / 0-)

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      over lies.

  •  i'm guessing here, (10+ / 0-)

    as the campaign moves out west into california/arizona/etc that Team Hillary will find some way to exploit any tension between blacks & latinos...   Surrogates will get out there any say awful things to divide the two communities... so, keep your ears open, it'll be coming.

    "To you, I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition." - Woody Allen

    by soros on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:28:08 AM PDT

    •  This is a sick comment (n/t). (2+ / 0-)

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      "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

      by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:29:07 AM PDT

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      •  Not sick, (5+ / 0-)

        just Clintonian politics.  

        "To you, I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition." - Woody Allen

        by soros on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:30:23 AM PDT

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        •  No, not hardly; but it is now Obama politics... (1+ / 0-)

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          Anytime something doesn't go or spin your way: "racism."

          Sick, sick, sick.

          "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

          by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:35:20 AM PDT

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          •  That's some serious spin (6+ / 0-)

            Barack is running a campaign based on unity.  He's trying to put America's racial tensions behind us.

            It's the Clintons who keep engaging the politics of racial innuendo.  Drug dealing.  Shuck and Jive.  Cocaine.  If the day ends in "y", you can bet the Clintons will be trying to paint Barack as the "black candidate".

            •  Not when Obama supporters talk "race strength" (0+ / 0-)

              Anybody who will deny there is a pattern to the racially charged comments that have been interjected into the presidential race is either naive or a liar. It cannot be denied and it's become quite obvious it is a calculated effort to turn what is Barack Obama's greatest strength against him.

              Obama's fear is that Hillary will neuter his "race strength"'; a "strength" that is yet to be tested.

              For a "21st century uniter", he sure is acting like he's in with the Jesse Jackson victimization crowd. The GOP will smell blood in the water.

              "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

              by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:44:00 AM PDT

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              •  So the Clintons use racial innuendo (3+ / 0-)

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                and Barack's supporters call bullshit, and then Clinton supporters claim that the GOP smells blood in the water.

                Sort of a self-fullfilling prophecy?  Good work, Team Clinton.  Inject race into the campaign, and then attack Barack for being a "Jesse Jackson victim".  Bravo!

                •  Clinton's campaign has apologized: Obama's? (0+ / 0-)

                  The hurling of racist accusations without merit is itself a racist act to pursue what is understood as racial voting strengths.

                  "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

                  by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:58:13 AM PDT

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                  •  Without merit? (3+ / 0-)

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                    Are you kidding me?

                    Obama supporters come to his defense after the Clintons engage in dirty tricks.  And in your upside-down world, Obama's campaign is racist?

                    My head is spinning.

                    •  Just look at Jesse Jackson, Jr. for dirty (0+ / 0-)

                      Fact that he has to - and as national co-chair, with the consent of the candidate - belittle Hillary after her NH win because he really has nothing different to offer except that she has fought Republicans and Obama wants to hug them.

                      "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

                      by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 07:13:31 AM PDT

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              •  So what is it? (2+ / 0-)

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                Is Obama a supremely devious, race-baiting uber-politician, too slick by half

                ...

                or is he a naive noob destined to be swamped by the GOP?

                The two aren't mutually exclusive - but they're pretty damn close, and in the course of just this mini-thread, it seems you've made both arguments.

                ....so which is it?

                I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

                by zonk on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:07:07 AM PDT

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                •  False dichotomy, bucko... (0+ / 0-)

                  By way of example: GOP candidates would rather lose the election than lose their base. Really dumb Democrats are not much different.

                  Any number of folks here have suggested that Obama has an interest in preserving a perceived strength among black voters. By that reasoning, it's advantageous to solidify black voting strength by lambasting the leading contender for being racist.

                  That might work in the primaries. Might. Sure as hell won't in the general election, especially if McCain's the nominee. Might not even work even if Huckabee's the nominee.

                  "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

                  by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:12:22 AM PDT

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                  •  You need to separate (3+ / 0-)

                    'Obama' from 'online commenters supporting Obama'.

                    To a very large degree - Obama supporters making comments online have focused on statement made by Clinton, Clinton surrogates, and Clinton campaign officials.

                    Other than Jessie Jackson Jr.'s stupid comments - and I think they WERE stupid - what else, WHO else from the Obama campaign has fed this?  Who else from the Obama campaign -- other than one stupid several minute clip on a single talk show by JJJr -- has brought this up?  And don't say Jim Clyburn -- because he hasn't even made an ENDORSEMENT -- much less claimed any right to being an Obama surrogate

                    Heck - Axelrod started hyping up stories Wednesday that the Obama campaign was expecting some big endorsements.... and we saw that - Kerry, Napolitano, Lamont, Johnson.

                    Do you really think that the Obama campaign WANTED JJJr. to make the comments he made?  Do you really think they're stupid enough to try to overshadow their big news of the last few days --- the endorsements --- by getting into a battle of racial coding with the Clintons?   Especially considering Obama has taken GREAT pains to avoid being the "vote for me because I'm black" candidate?

                    It strains credibility to accuse 'Obama' or the 'Obama campaign' of what you're accusing them of.  You want to say certain Obama supporters -- or hell, have at it, even all Obama supporters are hyper-sensitive race-baiters?  Have at it -- we'll have that fight.

                    Just remember that we're talking about statements coming from the Clintons, the Clinton campaign staff, and "name" Clinton surrogates.

                    You're talking about a stupid comment by Jesse Jackson Jr. and a bunch of commenters on a blog.

                    I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

                    by zonk on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:27:59 AM PDT

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                    •  Frankly, Clyburn's taking a cue from the trash (0+ / 0-)

                      talk from Obama supporters. Otherwise he had no reason to decide to get angry. But he sees certain members of his corner of the Democratic party get the swoons, and he thinks he has to get in front of the mob as their leader.

                      Bottom line remains (and Obama supporters take note): counter-racist and counter-sexist accusations always come back to haunt Democrats. Why would anyone who really wanted to win the general election give the GOP the talking points they need to animate their base in the South and Mid-west?

                      "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

                      by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:40:36 AM PDT

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                      •  BUT (3+ / 0-)

                        CLYBURN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN

                        I'm sorry but to somehow conflate Jim Clyburn's feelings on the matter with Obama's campaign is pure bullshit.

                        It reeks of "they're both black - hence they speak for each other.  they're all alike"

                        I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

                        by zonk on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:53:42 AM PDT

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                        •  Well, if Clyburn wasn't more annoyed at... (0+ / 0-)

                          the Clinton campaign lied about than at the Obama supporters spreading lies, he wouldn't have thought twice about not making an endorsement.

                          After all, Andrew Cuomo's not with the Clinton campaign, either, but that hasn't stopped the Obama guttersnipes from using his ill-advised remarks against her.

                          "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

                          by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:58:10 AM PDT

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                      •  Wow. (2+ / 0-)

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                        Following the threads, your comments are becoming more and more unhinged.

                        I have this rule:

                        Read before you post a comment and ask yourself: what would I do if Karl Rove said it? Or Chris Matthews? Or Drudge? Or Tom DeLay? Or any GOP/Right-wing nut job?

                        If you would be outraged, then don’t do it.

                        If you think Rove would say it, then don’t post it or support it.

                        It really is a simple test.

                        Your comments fail the test.

                        Perhaps someday you will realize that we will all have to unite behind whomever wins the Democratic Nomination.

                        You seem ready to do that if it is Senator Clinton and not ready to do that if it is Senator Obama.

                        If that is the case, you are posting on the wrong site, and (IMHO) you should leave. So should anybody who can not support our Nominee in November.

                        These attacks using code are standard issue GOP playbook tactics. All Republican Campaigns are built on stack of code words designed to appeals to our fears and most divisive impulses.

                        Democrats should expose and reject the tactic.

                        Instead, all the campaigns are embracing it. Code words and memes rooted in racism and sexism are in the mix and I wish it would stop..

                        It is not hard to find code based dog whistles from the Clinton, Edwards and Obama campaigns. And these attacks are way too common among their supporters.

                        I personally find the race-base code attacks more odious, but they seem to be just fine with you.

                        These are political tactics. The people using them are not racist or sexist. (I do not believe you are racist or sexist). I do believe that you want your candidate to win and that you think the ends justify the means.

                        You are wrong.

                        These sexist and racist Dog Whistles need to be knocked down as fast as they appear.

                        I am happy to see the Clinton Campaign push back on memes of sexism.

                        And I support the Obama Campaign’s intense pushback on memes rooted in racism.

                        Both campaigns need to do this.

                        Both campaigns need our unified support in this effort.

                        Pushing back on these attacks is what this Diary is all about and I support that effort.

                        When this insane primary season ends, we will have a Nominee. Whomever it is, he or she will face even more intense race and sex based attacks from the GOP.

                        At this point in the process I think all three of our major candidates, their campaigns and supporters have been engaged in these attacks.

                        It is self-destructive behavior and needs to stop.

                        SSman, you are actively engaged in self-destruction. Why are you here?

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                        by dengre on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 07:08:16 AM PDT

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        •  Pretty much forced. BLK + BR == win CA. (1+ / 0-)

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          Obama wins the Black vote automatically. Add the Brown vote plus his normal split with Dem males and younger Dem females, he wins California.

          That's a February 5th state.

          Obama's trump card is strengthening the Constitution. He won't need to push that card till the big TV ad campaigns start up for February 5th.

          Maybe Slick Wille can get out there and paint Obama as a member of the Bloods gang.

          Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.

          by vets74 on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:45:18 AM PDT

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    •  I believe Obama will address that, too. (4+ / 0-)

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      The Latino coalition is too important to the Democratic party not to, and what better way to address that than in a speech that gerneally addresses the issue of race.

      I firmly believe the Clintons have made a fatal mistake. In trying to neuter Obama's strength in race, they completely forgot his strength as an orator.

      Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

      - Albert Einstein

      by Walt starr on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:31:05 AM PDT

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      •  Methinks you assume (racially) too much. (1+ / 0-)

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        It remains to be seen re. Obama's "race strength."

        Which itself is a racist assertion, Walt starr.

        "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

        by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:36:36 AM PDT

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        •  How coudl the issue of race (1+ / 0-)

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          not be interjected into a campaign where a man of African American heritage became a serious contender for the presidency?

          Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

          - Albert Einstein

          by Walt starr on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:56:18 AM PDT

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          •  That was my sense, and if so (1+ / 0-)

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            then your diary doesn't make sense, saying that it wouldn't have happened but for the Clintons.

            "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

            by Cream City on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:43:58 AM PDT

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          •  Who's doing the injecting, bucko? (0+ / 0-)

            We should live and act as colorblind voters. Most of us do practically, thanks to gerrymandered districts. Obama was not my first choice, because I like Edwards' agenda better, but I would vote for him in the general election.

            But when someone points to his or her race as part of his or her life credentials, there is going to be a problem because there are plenty enough folks who will do likewise just silently, and they will see themselves as having received permission to do so. These folks generally do not vote Democratic.

            Conversely, Hillary has not regarding her gender; the MSM has, and rudely so for the most part.

            So we have the situation where a candidate encourages a racial indentification among his own race as part of the election strategy. That's going to cause problems.

            "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

            by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 07:20:11 AM PDT

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            •  The Clinton campaign did the interjecting (1+ / 0-)

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              There was no way to avoid it, though. The Clintons are, at the end of the day, politicians. They acted as was within their nature.

              Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

              - Albert Einstein

              by Walt starr on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 07:42:07 AM PDT

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              •  Bucko, Obama's no Messiah (n/t) (0+ / 0-)

                "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

                by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 07:47:46 AM PDT

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                •  LOL (1+ / 0-)

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                  Superskepticalman, I'm sure I'll get to link back to this diary when Obama addresses this issue.

                  And you know what? He'll be super gracious to the Clintons when he does.

                  I was so pissed off about being told yesterday that I had an "invisible hip black friend" that I signed off completely and went back to The Audacity of Hope.

                  The confrontation set up by the Clintons was inevitible. If the Clintons hadn't done it, the Republicans would have.

                  I've actually gained more respect for Hillary Clinton. She was right. Obama needed to be vetted for swiftboat attacks.

                  I am certain he will take what would have been a complete negative and turn it around to make himself even stronger.

                  Please don't get angry when your chosen candidate has this artfully turned around on her. Obama is used to the rough and tumble of Chicago style politics and he knows how to rise above them.

                  Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

                  - Albert Einstein

                  by Walt starr on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 07:53:15 AM PDT

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                  •  Well I certainly didn't tell you that you (0+ / 0-)

                    were invisible or hip. I certainly know that I'm not.

                    Obama's not that experienced in IL politics such that he has a natural edge on Hillary.  They're both extremely experienced politicians.

                    "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

                    by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 09:39:34 AM PDT

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    •  Hillary = Ron Paul (1+ / 0-)

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      < /snark >

      I'm really sick of how no one can focus on real issues around here.

      You're like the drummer from REO Speedwagon. Nobody knows who you are.

      by Plutonium Page on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:32:42 AM PDT

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    •  My guess as to what will happen: (0+ / 0-)

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      now that they're out of the white bread states, Clinton will publicize hispanic supporters as a decent politician should, and then we're going to have a zillion annoying diaries about how she's tacitly playing against black-hispanic tensions, anyone that doesn't support Obama is racist, et& et&

  •  No TR, but a comment (5+ / 0-)

    This diary is a complete load of crap.  Please tell us exactly which "racially charged" comments the Clintons have made.  

    Day after day we have seen the racially charged comments from Clinton aides, endorsers, and even President and Mrs. Clinton themselves.

    You don't identify a single one in your diary.  What are they?  

    The Clintons are not playing the "race card" - you are.

    Voting rights are our most important rights because all the other ones depend on them

    by markusd on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:29:13 AM PDT

    •  Turn on your television (4+ / 0-)

      There are reports in the MSM about it.

      Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

      - Albert Einstein

      by Walt starr on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:31:55 AM PDT

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      •  I have my TV on (3+ / 0-)

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        I haven't seen a single racially charged comment by President Clinton or by Senator Clinton.  

        Are you afraid to identify the comments you are referring to because they are not really racially charged, they are just being called that by folks looking to play the race card - like yourself?

        If you can't point to specific comments, you should delete your hit piece diary.

        Voting rights are our most important rights because all the other ones depend on them

        by markusd on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:35:24 AM PDT

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        •  I'm not going to bring the ugly comments into (3+ / 0-)

          this diary.

          Thery are out there. The CNN has a report out about the racial division in this campaign.

          Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

          - Albert Einstein

          by Walt starr on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:36:51 AM PDT

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          •  Bucko, you already did! (n/t) (1+ / 0-)

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            "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

            by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:40:05 AM PDT

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          •  Your charges are bogus (2+ / 0-)

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            You accuse the Clintons of "racially charged" comments but refuse to say what they are so that your statement can be challenged.

            If you want to know who is playing the race card here, look in the mirror.

            This diary is nothing but an unsubstantiated hit piece.

            Voting rights are our most important rights because all the other ones depend on them

            by markusd on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:48:14 AM PDT

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            •  Have you been on vacation? (0+ / 0-)

              Do you seriously not know what racially charged comments have emerged from the Clintons?

              Polling - Garry Mauro
              Drug dealing - Bill Shaheen
              Shuck and jive - Andrew Cuomo
              Cocaine - Mark Penn
              False hopes - Hillary Clinton

              Each incident itself is forgivable, I guess.  But taken together, there is clearly a pattern.  It's disgusting.

              •  Do you have a reading disability? (2+ / 0-)

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                I challenged the diarist's statement that the Clintons themselves have made "racially charged" comments.  

                Day after day we have seen the racially charged comments from Clinton aides, endorsers, and even President and Mrs. Clinton themselves.

                He cannot identify a single one in your diary.  

                Once again, I ask - what are they?  

                The Clintons are not playing the "race card" - you guys are.

                Voting rights are our most important rights because all the other ones depend on them

                by markusd on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:57:15 AM PDT

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                •  False hopes (1+ / 0-)

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                  Hillary's attack on "false hopes" is what led to the whole MLK vs LBJ controversy.  Hillary is implying that Barack and MLK are false hopes, and that it takes white folks like LBJ and Hillary to actually get things done for black folks.  Insulting to say the least.

                  But thanks for the rude comment claiming that I have a "reading disablity."  Another productive comment from a  Clinton supporter.  

                  Actually, we're not playing the race card.  Our whole campaign is based on unity.  That's what's so inspiring about this campaign for hope.  If politicans want to drag race into the discussion, we will respond to these amateur attacks.  But our campaign has a simple goal of bring people together and putting racial tension in America's rear view mirror.

                  •  There's no need to go into that (1+ / 0-)

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                    I firmly believe that when Obama addresses the issue, he will refer to that as something akin to stumbling over words.

                    The Clintons thought they'd set a trap. Say things that sensitive ears will ahve a problem with, but that is not an overtly racist statement. For overtly racist statements, make sure it's an unattributed quote (invisible hip black friend). IT was a masterful bit of swiftboat politics and was superior to any effor tby Rove.

                    They don't understand how Obama turned that sort of politics on its ears when he ran against the Chicago Democratic Party Machine.

                    They calculated Obama a novice.

                    They miscalculated.

                    Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

                    - Albert Einstein

                    by Walt starr on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:29:28 AM PDT

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                    •  You're really waiting on Moses from Mt. Sinai, (0+ / 0-)

                      aren't you?

                      News flash: Obama's still ticked he lost to Hillary. He will feed that anger into his campaign. It won't help him.

                      "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

                      by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:43:14 AM PDT

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                      •  You really have no clue what Obama is (1+ / 0-)

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                        about, do you?

                        Do you honestly believe a man as intelligent as Barack Obama would not know without any doubt whatsoever that when he ran for the presidency, race would become an issue?

                        Do you?

                        For Clinton supporters I truly reccommend reading The Audacity of Hope, especially the section about race.

                        Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

                        - Albert Einstein

                        by Walt starr on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:49:19 AM PDT

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                  •  That's a weak response. (0+ / 0-)

                    At any rate, if putting racial tension in America's rear view mirror is the goal, strategies like this diary are the worst possible way of doing it.

                    •  We must respond to swiftboating (0+ / 0-)

                      Have we not learned anything from 2004?  Obama supporters must respond to the inevitable swiftboating that is coming.  We had assumed it would come from Republicans, so it's unfortunate that the Clintons have taken this path.

                      While Obama supporters should not let swiftboat attacks go unanswered, Barack himself should rise above it all.  He can't let the Clintons paint him as the "black candidate".  He must stay focused on his message of unity and hope.

                  •  C'mon, that was a great rhetorical twist (0+ / 0-)

                    on his words.  Nothing racist about it.

                    No more so than "unity."  It's about race, but it's not racist.

                    "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

                    by Cream City on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:47:06 AM PDT

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                •  OK (2+ / 0-)

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                  So let's discard the Clinton comments... I'll even toss the Cuomo comments, as yes -- he has no OFFICIAL ties to the Clinton campaign.

                  What about the others above (Penn, Shaheen, Mauro) comments?

                  I understand that Shaheen resigned, Clinton apologized... I just don't buy that it was an innocent mistake - Shaheen being the husband of a longtime politician who certainly isn't a babe in the woods when it comes to having one's words scrutinized and reported.

                  ...and regardless of 2008 - I think one needs to remember the 'Sister Souljah moment' from 1992.  I'm not defending Sister Souljah, but the essence of dog whistling need not be awful Reagan-esque racial coding.  Clinton hmself -- not to mention others from the campaign (Begala) -- have said it was a moment showing Clinton standing up to a 'core constituency'.  

                  Every comment I've made on this hullabaloo - I've said, and will say again - I do not think the Clintons are racists.  I just don't think the absence of being a racist puts them above using some pretty shoddy tactics when faced with a much tougher campaign than they thought.

                  I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

                  by zonk on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:16:53 AM PDT

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              •  All of them will be forgiven. (1+ / 0-)

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                Obama addresses this well in the form of the written word, just read The Audacity of Hope.

                He will address it even better with words spoken.

                Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

                - Albert Einstein

                by Walt starr on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 05:57:52 AM PDT

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              •  What's racist about "false hope"; she's right on (2+ / 0-)

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                that one. He wants to negotiate with Republicans.

                Cocaine: Obama admitted using.
                "shuck and jive": non-staffer.
                Shaheen: forced out by Clinton
                Garry Mauro: who?

                "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

                by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:05:27 AM PDT

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                •  Garry Mauro is the Clinton spokesman in Texas (1+ / 0-)

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                  You can try to dismiss his racially charged comments by saying "who?", but his attack was a shot across the bow here in Texas.  Disgusting.

                  What's racist about "false hope"?  Well, when it's contrasted with Barack/MLK vs Hillary/LBJ, it seems pretty obvious.

                  If you think Shaheen was acting on his own, then I've got some ocean front property for you in Utah.

                  If you dismiss Andrew Cuomo as a "non-staffer", then you're just avoiding accountabilty.

                  Yes, Barack did admit to using cocaine.  He's honest like that.  Instead of claiming he didn't "inhale", he told the truth.  The question is why did the Clintons intentionally inject that into the campaign dialogue?  What was the purpose?

                  •  Fevered imagination among the Obama (2+ / 0-)

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                    supporters.

                    Cuomo's not on staff; the campaign doesn't own him.

                    "False hope" is an opinion; if every opinion you don't like is racist, then the GOP will eat you alive in the fall.

                    Shaheen got fired: if you think he was put up to it, offer some proof. Otherwise, why shouldn't we think you're a liar or a fool?

                    Cocaine? Maybe, like a lot of her fellow Americans, she's never used the stuff. I certainly haven't. I don't mind voting for someone else who hasn't.

                    Mauro's in Texas. Didn't make the papers or news where I live. Must not have been important. BTW, what did he actually say that turned out not particularly newsworthy?

                    "If we don't fight them here, we'll have to go home and fight them there." - Granny Clampett, in a BH episode involving Indians, circa mid-60s. Scary, ain't it?

                    by Superskepticalman on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:31:04 AM PDT

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                    •  Dallas Morning News reported Mauro's comment (0+ / 0-)

                      It was picked up here in Texas by our top political reporter, Wayne Slater.  

                      The reason it didn't have legs nationally is because it was still early in the campaign, and there wasn't yet a pattern of racial innuendo from the Clintons.  

                      But now that the Clintons' political future is in jeopardy, they're pulling out all the dirty tricks.  It shows that Mauro's racial comment wasn't a fluke...it was only the beginning.

                •  The inference is (2+ / 0-)

                  it;s a "false hope" for a black mman to be president.

                  To sensitive ears, it smacks of racism.

                  It was a dogwhistle and had the deisred effect within the desired audience.

                  It also played right into Obama's hands.

                  Seriously, the racial division has been reported on CNN. What other choice does Obama have but to give a speech on race?

                  Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

                  - Albert Einstein

                  by Walt starr on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:32:12 AM PDT

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    •  The Clintons aren't playing the race card? (6+ / 0-)

      What planet are you living on?

      Longtime Clinton supporter Garry Mauro made this comment after Obama's 20,000 Texas really:

      "Two years ago, we were not sure a woman could be elected president. The polls clearly show that’s not the case anymore. The same polls don’t show that’s the case for an African-American. What we’re seeing at this point is the process of the American people deciding whether they are ready to elect an African-American president or vice president. And it’s a fascinating thing to watch."

      Of all the public statements Mr. Mauro could have made, why did he have to intentionally inject race into the discussion?

      Mr. Mauro's comments fit into a larger pattern.  Without question, the Clintons are trying to paint Obama as the "black candidate".