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21st Century Green Transport

Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 04:11:11 PM PDT

One of the things I love about Al Gore (and find lacking in the current crop of presidential candidates) is his wonkish visionary interest in future tech. We really need leaders who can see farther than eight years ahead.

This paper from 1998 was futuristic enough that it still isn't dated. It takes a long-term look at our transportation infrastructure options, beginning with fuel sources, and considers what sort of green people movers would be possible.

There's more...

The full article is here if you prefer to dive right in. The New York Times resurrected it recently (a public survice); their piece on it is here. From the intro to the paper:

We envision a transport system producing zero emissions and sparing the surface landscape, while people on average range hundreds of kilometers daily. We believe this prospect of 'green mobility' is consistent in general principles with historical evolution. We lay out these general principles, extracted from widespread observations of human behavior over long periods, and use them to explain past transport and to project the next 50 to 100 years.

The authors took their historical approach to the future after noting that transportation infrastructures take a century to develop:

A century or more is the rational time for conceiving a transport system. The infrastructures last for centuries. They take 50-100 years to build, in part because they also require complementary infrastructures. Railroads needed telegraphs, and paved roads needed oil delivery systems so that gasoline would be available to fill empty car tanks. Moreover, the new systems take 100 years to penetrate fully at the level of the consumer. Railroads began in the 1820s and peaked with consumers in the 1920s.

Unlike some future tech proponents, they didn't look at just one solution, but accepted the need for a range of transportation modalities:

We discuss serially and in increasing detail railroads, cars, aeroplanes, and magnetically levitated trains (maglevs).

They are remarkably sanguine about the prospects for transporation:

Fortunately, during the next century we may be able to afford green mobility. In fact, we can clearly see its elements: cars, powered by fuels cells; aeroplanes, powered by hydrogen; and maglevs, powered by electricity, probably nuclear. The future looks clean, fast, and green.

This persuasive paper is well worth reading for its details. Its most interesting section, to me, concerns maglev trains. While cars and planes will continue to be with us, but with different fuels, maglevs represent something new and different: the next century's new mode of travel. Like the car (which created the suburb), the maglev train may have a huge impact on settlement patterns all over the world. Here are excerpts to give you the flavor:

Maglevs ... can be fully passive to forces generated by electrical equipment and need no engine on board. Maglevs also provide the great opportunity for electricity to penetrate transport, the end-use sector from which it has been most successfully excluded.

...speeds in excess of 800 km/hour and in low pressure tunnels thousands of km per hr.... Constant acceleration maglevs (CAMs) could accelerate for the first half the ride and brake for the second and thus offer a very smooth ride with high accelerations. ... The system would store the energy recovered from braking trains locally and re-deliver it to accelerating trains. Recovery could be quite good with linear motors. High-temperature superconductors in fact could permit almost complete energy recovery in deceleration as well as hovering at zero energy cost. The external grid would provide only, on a quasi-continuous basis, the make-up for the losses....

The neat solution is partially evacuated tubes.... Tunnels also solve the problem of landscape disturbance.... Because the vehicles will be quite small, they would run very often. In principle, they could fly almost head-to-tail, ten seconds apart.

Ah, yeah. The operative words here being in principle. Personally, I wouldn't want anybody following me ten seconds behind down a tunnel at "thousands of km/hr". At least not if a computer was involved. (I'm a programmer.) But I like their brashness, and this internet metaphor:

In essence maglevs will be the choice for future Metros, at several scales: urban, possibly suburban, intercity, and continental.

The comparison is with the Internet -- a stream of data is broken down into addressed packets of digits individually switched at nodes to their final destination by efficient routing protocols.

The best thing about the paper is how grounded it is throughout in energy realities. For example:

Planes propel by pushing air back. Momentum corresponds to the speed of the air pushed back, that is, energy lost. Maglevs do not push air back, but in a sense push Earth, a large mass, which can provide momentum at negligible energy cost. ....reduced by 1-2 orders of magnitude.

Because maglevs carry neither engines nor fuel, the weight of the vehicle can be light and total payload mass high. ... [Instead of] heavy images of trains and planes [think of] a very light envelope suspended on a moving magnetic field.

A constant acceleration train in a partially evacuated (low-pressure) tunnel has inverse-logarithmic travel times (like a starship):

The trip from Wall Street to midtown Manhattan might be 1 min, while from Heathrow Airport to central London might be 2-3 min. For CAMs transit time grows as the square root of distance, so 500 km might take 10 min and 2500 km 20 min.

Travelling in a CAM at 0.5 G for 20 minutes, a woman in Miami could go to work in Boston and return to cook dinner for her children in the evening. Bostonians could symmetrically savor Florida, daily. Marrakech and Paris could pair, too. With appropriate interfaces, the new trains could carry hundreds of thousands of people per day, saving cultural roots without impeding work and business in the most suitable places.

Seismic activity could be a catch. In areas of high seismic activity, such as California, safe tubes (like highways) might not be a simple matter to design and operate.

Ya think? In Califonia where I live, I suspect evacuated above-ground tubes also have a future.

The principle omission in this article may be discussion of lower-speed maglev systems that do not require a tunnel at all. I suspect we'll also be riding above ground in small vehicles on maglev railways that resemble cable car ski lifts. These could lift our local roadways up and off the surface, so they don't bisect our landscape or render the land under them useless. Imagine today's major surface streets and interstate highways as elevated frictionless lanes, in which vehicles move silently overhead except for a slight woosh of displaced air. The same advantages of low vehicle weight, no on-board engine, and the ability to use electric power apply. Moreover, the towers and rails of the system replace our current power transmission towers and local power poles, serving as the electrical grid itself. (The last few blocks to your house, hopefully, is underground and out of sight.)

The authors are rather sanguine about the future of transportation, and that's good to see:

Although other catches surely will appear, maglevs should displace the competition. Intrinsically, in the CAM format they have higher speed and lower energy costs and could accommodate density much greater than air. They could open new passenger flows on a grand scale during the 21st century with zero emissions and minimal surface structures.

Once again, I recommend the full article, especially if you enjoy the technical details.

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  •  tip jar (14+ / 0-)

    Maybe this article isn't exactly political, but the future of technology is always partly a political question. Can we please have a political answer to it? Or at least someone in office who will ask the right questions?

    "The universe is a sphere whose center is wherever there is intelligence." -Thoreau

    by samizdat on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 04:14:19 PM PDT

    •  We've been so inundated with (1+ / 0-)

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      Candidate Diaries we've forgotten that we used to do long term tech and science policy articles all the time.  You have nothing to apologize for.  We have to look ahead too.

      a particular hobby horse of mine is that lots of our short distance trucking will likely be diesel engines and biofuels.  For all our petroleum fueled diesel powered trucks, America has never given the diesel engine a real fair shake, probably because crude designs were good enough when fossil fuel was cheap.  We are going to need a short distance "drayage" load capacity to deliver freight to trains.

      Now if we would just build the trains!

  •  This is all well and good... (1+ / 0-)

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    But we could do a lot better with much simpler improvements.  I don't need maglev in evacuated tunnels.  I just need a bus, train or whatever that is clean, doesn't stop every block, and has reliable, on-time service.

    Frankly, I don't see elevated structures being popular.  People just don't want to live next to them.  Underground structures, even at greater cost, are a more permanent, more popular solution.

    •  the people who've built successful (1+ / 0-)

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      residential developments around BART (mostly elevated) might disagree with you.

      However, at this point, what we need are short-term fixes that can be quickly implemented or we don't get to the long run.

      Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

      by alizard on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 05:09:00 PM PDT

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  •  Meet George Jetson...! (0+ / 0-)

    Jane! Stop this crazy thing! /snark

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight.

    by JeffW on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 05:29:07 PM PDT

  •  We need the planning to begin (3+ / 0-)

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    again after the Reagonimics madness which destroyed urban and transportation planning subsides.  Maglevs would be, initially, a replacement for airplanes in many corridors.  The Midwestern states have been inching along with a regional plan to put high-speed trains in place to connect major cities in the central plains.

    These long-run connections would grow out of a regional need in various areas of the country.  The underground tunnels and interconnections among airplanes, trains, buses and on-demand rental vehicles scattered throughout urban areas needs to evolve with local planning, supported by long-term programs and investments.  

    Maglevs would appear first in long runs, such as Chicago to Denver through Omaha and Minneapolis to Houston.  Corridors like Los Angeles to Las Vegas, New York to Washington, and then on to Florida and other high-volume opportunities would be the best place for this kind of technology to be deployed first.  On shorter runs, we need a lot of work on integration of airports into mass transit systems that reach out to the edges of suburbia while rural areas connect in a sparser manner.  FlexCar, for example, is spreading on the West Coast, but needs to be supported by local governments.  In the linked article, rental car taxes are being imposed on this service, which should be revamped to encourage people to use shared vehicles instead of having to have a car in a dense urban environment.

    We will need to impose requirements on developers of suburban homes that they include mass transit systems in addition to sewers and other infrastructure so they build the social cost they have been deferring to the rest of us into the price of homes they build and sell.  This simple requirement would lead to developers partnering with urban planners and transportation departments to come up with systems which fit the local dynamics.

    Finally, we need to realize from Katrina that we need a 21st-century civil defense system in which every urban area can be evacuated by at least three different ways within 24 hours.  Katrina demonstrated that the capacity to move all citizens out of the city was not there, and even by combining airplanes, trains and buses, the logistics involved were just too much for the short time frame in which the city had to be evacuated.  In addition, civil defense organizations at the neighborhood level can plan for "sister city" locations to which citizens are evacuated so families can be reunited and businesses can locate employees in an orderly manner.

    All of these systems were underway in the 1970s, but splintered and defunded by the Reagan "revolution" -- and now we see the hole out of which we have to climb to get going again.  Integration of long-run and urban transportation systems with emergency response, national security and urban planning & development is long overdue.  Many of my friends who were in urban planning and transportation projects in the 70s and 80s are still hoping to get back in the game, if we can wake up and stop pretending the private sector will ever get close to real planning (a joke in any corporation is "long-term planning").

    Great links.  Thank you for sharing.

  •  As a fellow programmer, (2+ / 0-)

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    I understand your concern about computers controlling successive trains.  However, maglev trains actually impose electromotive forces on each other through the common track, creating an analog braking effect.  The system would need to be designed so all trains on the system interact in ways to maintain safe distances, but the electromagnetic forces would act on all trains in the system, which simplifies the details of maintaining those safety margins.

    In addition, these dynamics would mean the system would work best if the trains were constantly in operation, 24/7, which would be a different paradigm than the intermittent systems we have now.  Due to this increased capacity, people would be encouraged to use the system at all hours since the system would always be running.  It would actually be simpler to keep the system running all the time.

    •  That's interesting, I love passive solutions (0+ / 0-)

      I didn't know you could get a passive entrainment effect between cars. That's incredible, I love it.

      After all, planes don't do that. Cars don't do that. We fly around in these eggshell containers separated only by good judgement and instant reflexes (of pilots, drivers or computers) all the time, and sometimes it kills us.

      If the mass of the vehicles themselves and the charges on them could force them apart, it would be the softest and most reliable of all bumper-cushions. I'd want to ride in one of those!

      Thanks for pointing this out. :-)

      "The universe is a sphere whose center is wherever there is intelligence." -Thoreau

      by samizdat on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 11:39:05 AM PDT

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  •  You might . (1+ / 0-)

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    "I wouldn't want anybody following me ten seconds behind down a tunnel at "thousands of km/hr"."
    If yours breaks down , the closing speed between the next train and yours is going to be small if the next one is just ten secs back behind . If it was ten minutes back , you would be slowing down for ten minutes while the next one caught up with you .
    The air cushion pushing and pulling you forward in an evenly / closely packed tube is a safety feature . The train in front is sucking you along if its under power  and the train behind is pushing you forward if its under power .

    "The fussy armchair jackboots who live here 24/7, tossing around their cool "donut" slang are the rather pathetic souls at the root of the problem."

    by indycam on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 05:53:12 PM PDT

    •  So air cushions as well as electromotive forces (0+ / 0-)

      Sounds as if there are two passive forces that can be used to keep cars separated, at least in tunnels.

      That's promising!

      Passive bumper-cushion forces beat computers as a final protection against crashes, in my book. As we all know, computers can crash.

      "The universe is a sphere whose center is wherever there is intelligence." -Thoreau

      by samizdat on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 11:44:20 AM PDT

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  •  Let's do it! (1+ / 0-)

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    Thanks for the info.

    "If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy." -teacherken

    by offgrid on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 06:39:37 PM PDT

  •  Uhm ... why all the sci-fi? (0+ / 0-)

    Unless you're carrying it to a StarTrek convention?

    High-speed, environmentally clean trains are already available.

    An electrically powered high-speed train can go from Paris to Lyon (i.e., across the country) in two hours. The electricity is provided by nuclear plants; thus, no particulates and no carbon-dioxide emissions, if that is what you are worried about.

    Last year, the French set a new speed record (for them, I think the Japanese still have them beat) on the line between Paris and Strasbourg. They're forging ahead, while the US ponders the "stuff that dreams are made of."

    Sure, it's fun to muse about the possibilities, but why not focus on what is already available?

    (BTW, tipped for imagination.)

    Repartee is something we think of twenty-four hours too late.
    -- Mark Twain

    by bryfry on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 06:47:13 PM PDT

    •  sci-fi needed for resolving (0+ / 0-)

      the issues of climate change and energy depletion (peak oil).  For maglevs, the only non-renewable energy used is in building and maintaining.

      Finding your own Voice -- The personal is political!

      by In her own Voice on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 06:11:44 AM PDT

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    •  I may have misrepesented the paper... (0+ / 0-)

      ...which is  mostly about what's already available, and the whole history of transport -- and only secondarily about projecting overr the next century based on known science.

      I think if you read it you'll be pleased how little "sci-fi" there is in it. Maglevs interested me so I stressed them in the excerpts, and they are definitely new, but there is also a lot about using hydrogen and fuel cell technologies to re-engineer our cars and planes.

      "The universe is a sphere whose center is wherever there is intelligence." -Thoreau

      by samizdat on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 11:48:27 AM PDT

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  •  as a long-time fan of maglev (0+ / 0-)

    I'm so excited to see this diary and hear the positive supportive comments.

    The only time I ever mentioned maglev trains in an comment on DKos, I was shot down with the bullet about cost of installation as compared to using tracks already in existence with energy efficient trains.

    Maglev excites me, not b/c it is sci-fi, but b/c it's FREE energy! (In a time we need to take serious consideration of oil depletion and the fact that oil must be used in the production of alternative energies.)  I think we're going to have to use all possibilities of energy production just to keep up a fraction of our current energy use as our future plays out.

    Not so sure I want to see all those rails blocking the sky, tho...

    Finding your own Voice -- The personal is political!

    by In her own Voice on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 06:21:17 AM PDT

    •  Sorry (1+ / 0-)

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      But you seriously need to take a real physics course.

      Maglev might reduce friction a bit, but it does not produce "free" energy. I don't know who has been filling your head with such ideas, but it just doesn't work that way.

      To move a train requires energy. Once it is moving, then less energy is required (for example, the existing high-speed trains require little energy to keep going once they have accelerated to their normal speed). The momentum of the train carries it along, but it still has to overcome friction -- air friction, at the very least.

      If you keep on about the "free energy" of maglev trains, then I'm going to start demanding my own flying car, as promised 50 years ago in Popular Mechanics.

      Repartee is something we think of twenty-four hours too late.
      -- Mark Twain

      by bryfry on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 06:39:20 AM PDT

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      •  may be a bit of a dreamer, (0+ / 0-)

        but the limitations of "physics" has a lot to do with the limitations of the human imagination and willingness to think beyond the box...

        Tweak it a bit, bryfry, and you may have your flying car...

        Finding your own Voice -- The personal is political!

        by In her own Voice on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 06:51:08 AM PDT

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        •  But the concept of conservation lead to the (0+ / 0-)

          development of classical chemistry and physics, and to thermodynamics.  And thermodynamics sez TANSTAAFL. The three basic laws of thermondynamics, and other conservation laws, have been pretty well prodded without any sigh they'll get up and walk away. Oh, and trust me, there's plenty of imagination and out-of-box thinking going on, even within mainstream physicals research.

          The real world keeps tripping us up.  The loses in a maglev system include those from turbulence - even the best manmade vacuums are fairly thick, and the cost of making and maintaining that type of vacuum on a large scale would be enormous.  Other losses include those in eddy currents and reactive losses in the linear motors.

          Maglev can save a lot of energy, but it is still an energy sink.

          •  energy sink (0+ / 0-)

            Please explain or post a link on the energy sink involved with maglev technology.

            Also, can you compare the energy cost ratio of maglev tech as compared to other alternative energy sources/channels?

            I realize the cost of funding most any new energy system is going to be phenomenal, but it is going to be required to shift from fossil fuels.  And it's best to think ahead to determine which ones we should invest in, considering many require fossil fuels to procure and provide.

            I am thinking not only of what energy source will cause less pollution of the environment, and which are most efficient, but which will not run into "the wall" of limits -- those which are non-renewable sources such as oil, coal, uranium -- etc.

            While scanning through internet articles on maglev tech, I discovered some wind turbines run by maglev tech.  They are being produced for sale at this time, though their claims of energy efficiency and production are still unproven...

            Finding your own Voice -- The personal is political!

            by In her own Voice on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 08:01:01 AM PDT

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        •  All in my mind (0+ / 0-)

          think beyond the the box all you like, but if the walls are made of concrete no amount of willingness is going to get you out...

      •  Of course it's not entirely "free", but... (2+ / 0-)

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        I couldn't include enough of the physics in the excerpts, but the paper has a lot of sound energy physics in it.

        CAMs in particular recover most of their acceleration energy on deceleration, given an appropriate in-ground-storage-coil system along the track for storing and reusing that electrical energy. Like a Prius but without on-board batteries. The paper admits such coil storage systems need a lot of research before we will have workable ones; current maglev trains do not do this.

        Much also depends on the proposed constant acceleration aspect. The paper's "nearly free ride" claim is limited to constant-acceleration-maglevs (CAMs) in partially evacuated straight tunnels, with an energy recovery storage system in the track. That's a big set of qualifiers. But the paper's horizon is a century hence, so the authors felt confident these are problems with solutions in known physics -- as opposed to scientific speculation.

        I refer you to the original paper, which is quite responsible technically, and full of "real physics". Indeed, that was what impressed me about it. I agree with you that a great deal of "future tech" is pie-in-the-sky whimsy by people short on physics training. A lot of the excitement over solar and wind power falls into that category, because when you do the math, current technologies, at least, come up way short as a replacement for fossil energy. Not that we shouldn't be pushing that envelope as hard as we can too, but solar could really use a major scientific breakthrough that made it an order of magnitude more productive.

        CAMs actually work though, and this paper describes them (and their limitations) accurately. The main reason they stress CAMs is that alone among impending solutions, they do reduce energy and increase speed at the same time. That's a first.

        The paper really is a a good read for a physics wonk, check it out, you'll enjoy it.

        "The universe is a sphere whose center is wherever there is intelligence." -Thoreau

        by samizdat on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 11:35:06 AM PDT

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  •  Fantasy (0+ / 0-)

    In the 1950's social activist Paul Goodman wrote "The problem isn't public transportation vs. private transportation. The problem is too damn much transportation."

    Amen. We will soon discover that the last 100 years (the Oil Age) were but a blip on the long march of history.

    I'm not saying the world won't eventually evolve to a functioning, nonpolluting, integrated transportation system. But the capital investment involved is staggering, and the political will is utterly lacking (can you say "tax increase"?)

    What is valued is practiced. What is not valued is not practiced. -- Plato

    by RobLewis on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:48:08 AM PDT

  •  Nuclear Trains? (0+ / 0-)

    No thank you.

    •  Mayglev trains aren't nuclear (0+ / 0-)

      Rather, the electric power to run them could be from nuclear power generation stations. It doesn't have to be. Any electric power source you can connect to the grid will do, including solar.

      Maglev's ability to be powered by electricity is seen as an advantage by those who don't oppose nuclear, since nuclear plants aren't good for much else except generating electricity (and nuclear waste!). They don't directly produce a portable fuel like hydrogen or gasoline, for example.

      That shouldn't prejudice those opposed to nuclear against maglev, because overall maglev makes more efficient use of energy than conventional forms of transport. So if we refrain from building new nuclear plants, we will need maglev even more.

      "The universe is a sphere whose center is wherever there is intelligence." -Thoreau

      by samizdat on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 12:52:06 PM PDT

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  •  A little focused on one type of maglev (0+ / 0-)

    for instance, the Inductrack type systems appear to function using permanent magnets; thereby avoiding the energy costs of superconductive systems.  The track can be entirely passive, reducing its cost.

    Their model using the track as both levitation and drive is an interesting one, but they overlooked some shortcomings. It runs right into the difference between centralized and distributed systems.  In this case the motive source is somewhat centralized, being in the track instead of the moving cars.  A failure of a section of track blocks everything until repaired, self powered cars that experience a failure need only to be moved to a sidetrack for the line to become useful again; a specialized car that is the equivalent of a switcher engine might do this.

    The trade-offs between alternative systems makes for interesting study, as does the methods for implementing such systems.  They are quite correct in pointing out the long term nature of such changes.

    •  Yeah passive maglev is wonderful (0+ / 0-)

      Inductrack is absolutely the thing for lower-speed maglev, the kind that doesn't require a partially evacuated tunnel and can deal with curves.

      You're right this paper doesn't go there. Personally I hope we see maglev cars on overhead rails replacing conventional cars someday. I'd like to drive a light electric car that could be hoisted like a ski lift cable car under a maglev rail that ran twenty or thirty feet up in the air over major streets and highways.

      The Inductrack maglev engine would be a separate unit that ran on the rail, from which a rigid arm would fold down to grasp the car. You drive your light electric car around your neighborhood, but when you want to go any distance you drive to a "entrance ramp" which is actually a maglev siding, where you get picked up by one of these engines waiting there and hoisted up overhead and carried along the rail, to an "exit ramp" near your destination. During this part of the trip, you don't have to steer, and your car's onboard engine is shut off (but its on-board batteries are recharging from the rail).

      It's the best combination of public and private transport.

      Imagine the advantage of being able to walk back and forth under all this almost silent overhead traffic on major street and freeways. You'd get an automatic grade separation between the fast maglev traffic and slow neighborhood traffic, so roads and freeways would not cut neighborhoods up. All the the land under the maglev routes could used for a mix of be neighborhood driving lanes, pedestrian corridors and parkland -- anything that isn't very tall.

      "The universe is a sphere whose center is wherever there is intelligence." -Thoreau

      by samizdat on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 01:12:38 PM PDT

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  •  No mention of space transport (0+ / 0-)

    sad - they mention maglev, but not space transport.

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