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Our Economy is Bleeding and We Can Stop It

Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:01:09 AM PDT

When you triage a badly wounded patient, you first look for an obstruction of the airway, respiratory failure, heart failure, massive external bleeding and shock.  In the case of our economy, the airway is ok, we have respiratory distress but not failure and the heart is still working but we have several massive gushing wounds that need to be treated in order to stabalize the patient before we begin treating the rash on our back side caused from sitting on our ass while the rest of the world passes us by in engineering graduates and new innovation. Please read on...

The biggest gushing wound amounts to about $140 billion dollars that bleeds out of our economy each year paying for foreign petroleum.  And that money isn't fueling the global economy, it is going to countries who do not like us and fund terrorism.  Most gas stations make only about .11 cents per gallon of fuel and make most of their money from snacks, service and repairs.  About 96% of what we pay at the pump leaves our economy for good each year.  We have to stop that bleeding any way we can before we can begin to fix the other problems that face us.  Every dollar we save on foreign petroleum stimulates our own economy, improves our national security and helps reduce green house gas emissions.  So, there are three very good reasons to forcefully address the displacement of foreign petroleum.

There are 4 basic ways to accomplish this goal.  One of the four ways is to buy gasoline from companies who do the best job of using domestic supply and import the least amount from countries who finance terrorism.  You can find information on this at the following Terror Free Oil Initiative web site, which lists Sunoco, Hess and Flying J as your best options, if you have them near you:

Terror Free Oil Initiative
http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/...

The remaing 3 best ways to displace foreign petroleum is by Conservation, Efficiency and Renewable domestic energy.  In terms of displacing foreign petroleum, conservation means working from home when you can, doing a better job of planing the way you drive, keeping your engine tuned up, tires inflated and using mass transit, car pooling, walking and using a bicycle when you can.  Greater efficiency can be achieved by using the most fuel efficient car you can find that meets your needs.  Hybrids are great, electric cars are great and you should also look into high mileage turbo diesels, which now use ultra low sulfur diesel fuel and can achieve higher mileage than most hybrid cars.  Renewable domestic energy means biodiesel and ethanol.  Almost every vehicle on the road can use some amount of biodiesel, ethanol or butanol.  Many newer FlexFuel vehicles can use up to 85% ethanol and new diesels can use 100% biodiesel.

Investing in and expanding agriculture has the highest rate of return in terms of stimulating our economy because the money circulates and recirculates in local and regional economies, and creates the most (FTE).  We learned this as we pulled ourselves out of the Great Depression and during the post-war boom in the 1950's but for some reason we keep forgetting it.  Investing and expanding US agriculture to grow and produce domestic renewable biofuels has the double economic benefit of getting the highest rate of return from expanding US agriculture and also keeping billions of dollars in our economy that would otherwise disappear overseas.  

The new ultra low sulfur diesel (ULSD) fuel has made it possible for new clean diesel vehicles which are just begining to appear in the US market.  These same vehicles running on 100% biodiesel can achieve 100% renewable and virtually 100% clean emission (including Nox) at a fraction of the cost of hydrogen solutions.  Clean diesel vehichles running on 100% biodiesel are ready for mass production now and can almost immediately affect every transportation sector including cars, trucks, boats, trains etc. and have the biggest positive impact on our economy and environment in the least amount of time and at the lowest short term and long term costs.

In order to stop the most bleeding in our economy, we need to accelerate all of these approaches and in doing so, we can stimulate our economy, improve our national security and help reduce green house gas emissions.  We will create new jobs in the process, but not just in the energy sector, every job sector will be affected because we will be increasing tens of billions of dollars in our economy evey year. What do you think?

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  •  good diary (2+ / 0-)

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    take a look at the dairy below regarding Clintons interview on Bloomberg tv. It starts in a few minutes and it will be entirely on the economy.

    •  Breaking in with question (0+ / 0-)

      Mea culpa ...

      Total crude oil imports averaged 9.948 million barrels per day in November 2007.  To be easy on the math, let's call it 10 million barrels.  At $90/barrell, $900 million/day or $328.5 billion. Where did the $150 billion figure come from?

    •  diary based on flawed premise (1+ / 0-)

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      wondering if

      "oil money goes to people who hate US and use money to finance terrorism."

      Ummm, only 30% of oil comes from Middle East.

      Perhaps if U S focused on not manipulating other nations but dealt honestly, fairly and respectfully, we could approach the nations that have the resources we need as friends rather than enemies.

      The bleeding is coming from military spending.  That is an outflow, not an investment.

      Every prophet knows that nobody loves you for being the enemy of their illusions. --Wm Sloane Coffin.

      by Orpheus on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:39:30 PM PDT

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      •  given that we're somewhere around peak oil (0+ / 0-)

        meaning we have to prepare for a world without oil cheap enough for transporation or agricultural energy and in any case, burning fossil fuel contributes to global warming, an even bigger imperative for replacing oil, I find your arguments for making better deals with oil nations a lot less than compelling.

        In general, the solution to getting enough oil to fuel us the transition is simply being willing to pay the world market price.

        Whether you like it or not, we're going into the post-oil era.

        Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

        by alizard on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 01:33:30 AM PDT

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        •  my point is about chronic need for enemies (0+ / 0-)

          I didn't say anything about "making better deals with oil nations," I said treat people fairly and honestly so we don't need to spend trillions of dollars to kill our children and Arabs and Iranians to gain access to their oil.

          I agree we are at peak oil:  that was apparent BEFORE 9/11; I have still not recovered from Bush's post-9/11 declaration that the US was going to kill its way through the Middle East; I so hoped he would declare a Kennedy-style "race to space" race to become energy self-sufficient and creative.

          I most certainly agree that conservation and development of alternative energy sources will both stimulate economic development, jobs, etc.

          Every prophet knows that nobody loves you for being the enemy of their illusions. --Wm Sloane Coffin.

          by Orpheus on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 04:33:11 AM PDT

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    •  objection to this statement (1+ / 0-)

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      wondering if

      And that money isn't fueling the global economy, it is going to countries who do not like us and fund terrorism.

      The Gulf states are currently America's bankers.  

      largest bank announced that it had secured $7.5 billion (£3.6 billion) in fresh funding from the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority (ADIA)

      Every prophet knows that nobody loves you for being the enemy of their illusions. --Wm Sloane Coffin.

      by Orpheus on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 10:12:01 PM PDT

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      •  you see some sort of contradiction here? (0+ / 0-)

        One doesn't have to like Americans to believe that getting chunks of the US financial empire at bargain prices is a good idea.

        Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

        by alizard on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 01:34:34 AM PDT

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        •  you said oil money is going to fund terrorism (0+ / 0-)

          I presented evidence that oil money is flowing into the coffers of Citibank.

          Or maybe that IS a source of terrorism?

          Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia have been major props of Wall Street for years; IMO that sucking sound you've heard on Wall Street these last 3 weeks = those states saying to Bush:  your dollar is too weak, we will no longer prop up the US economy; the new 'superpower' is  in our part of the globe.  It's been fun dealing with you these last 60 years, and we hate to say I told you so but George Marshall was right and Truman was wrong, so, umm, bu bye.  And get the hell out of my part of the world, by the way.

          Every prophet knows that nobody loves you for being the enemy of their illusions. --Wm Sloane Coffin.

          by Orpheus on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 04:41:39 AM PDT

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          •  how many of the 9/11 hijackers (0+ / 0-)

            were from Saudi Arabia?

            Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

            by alizard on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 10:33:05 AM PDT

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            •  Most of em. (1+ / 0-)

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              So why is the world's largest US based bank dealing with Saudi Arabia?

              Iran has done and is doing far less damage to US, but here's what US is working out regarding Iran:

              fromIran Nuclear Watch:

              The Government Accountability Office (GAO) has just released a new report entitled "Iran sanctions: Impact in Furthering U.S. Objectives Is Unclear and Should Be Reviewed."

              ...

              According to the report:
              "U.S. officials report that U.S. sanctions have slowed foreign investment in Iran’s petroleum sector, denied parties involved in Iran’s proliferation and terrorism activities access to the U.S. financial system, and provided a clear statement of U.S. concerns to the rest of the world.

              editorial note:  ROW is not necessarily buying the Bush bellyache; According to Gulf News, Bush's efforts to isolate and punish Iran is a losing strategy with Iran's Arab, Gulf States neighbors. [http://www.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/region/10181838.html

              American policy to contain Iran]

              Undoubtedly the Arabs are too dumb to realize how effective economic sanctions against Iran are:

              However, other evidence raises questions about the extent of reported impacts. Since 2003, the Iranian government has signed contracts reported at about $20 billion with foreign firms to develop its energy resources. Further, sanctioned Iranian banks may fund their activities in currencies other than the dollar.

              That sucking sound so prevalent on Wall Street signals that vast amounts of money are going OUT of the US and IN to some other growing economy.  Iran, maybe?  

              But Iran uses its money to fund terrorists, unlike Saudi which uses its money. to. fund. terrorists.

              Ooops.

              Shay's little memo continued:

              "Iran’s global trade ties and leading role in energy production make it difficult for the United States to isolate Iran and pressure it to reduce proliferation and support for terrorism."

              But not to be dismayed at the incompetence our our Congresscritters; the Dunderhead in chief has the situation under control:

              President Bush referred to the efficacy of sanctions in 2004 when he explained why the U.S. had taken a backseat and left negotiations on Iran's nuclear program to Britain, France and Germany: "We're relying upon others, because we've sanctioned ourselves out of influence with Iran. In other words, we don't have much leverage with the Iranians right now, and we expect them to listen to those voices, and we're a part of the universal acclaim."

              Heck of a strategery, George.

              Every prophet knows that nobody loves you for being the enemy of their illusions. --Wm Sloane Coffin.

              by Orpheus on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 01:51:18 PM PDT

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  •  Of course we can (2+ / 0-)

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    The real question is if we will.

    I've driven a Prius for years -- before they became Hollywood PC.

    How about buying US-made products?  How about not buying plastic toys made in China (impacts both petroleum sales and the trade disparity)?  How about not shopping at Wal-Mart?  How about eliminating subsidized agriculture?

    The American public can have a real and lasting impact on the economy in a very short period of time if they simply pay attention.  

    We can -- and should -- make a difference.  Again, the question is will the American public decide that a little less convenience is worth the effort.

    Good diary.

    Go convince a Republican. I'm voting for the Democrat on the ticket.

    by workingmom OH on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:08:11 AM PDT

  •  Still reading diary (3+ / 0-)

    But, here's a thought. I am not saying that these are my opinions on what should/should not be done.

    Elections have consequences.  Why should Democrat's try and rescue the economy at this point?  Why not let things get worse so that voters can be shown what repercussions these bad Republican policies have.

    I feel that we bailed out the horrible Reagan years of deficit spending during the Clinton years, why should we do it again.  If Obama, or Hillary, or Edwards are elected, I would hope that whatever policies they put into place are discussed with the American people in the context that the previous administrations have mismanaged the economy to such an extent that real sacrifice is needed, and this is what I propose.

    For now, we can propose away, because Bush certainly is not going to change gears now.  It's full speed forward into the abyss.

  •  Your diary raises good points (1+ / 0-)

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    It's important that we fix the economy, but I think Bush & Co. have done such significant damage that it will take more than displacing foreign petroleum to bring us back into the black.

    Ethanol and alternative energy alone cannot reinstate the jobs in the manufacturing sectors that have been lost. I still marvel at how whenever I call my credit card or phone company after hours, my call is transferred to a customer service warehouse somewhere in Bangledesh, simply because it's cheaper than paying Americans to answer the phones.

    "You can't at once argue that you're the master of a broken system in Washington and offer yourself as the person to change it." - Barack Obama

    by GirlZero on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:25:29 AM PDT

    •  Ethanol is a small part of the total (4+ / 0-)

      + Buy gas from Sunoco, Hess and Flying J if you can
      + Conserve fuel, change driving habits
      + Use most efficient vehicle
      + Renewable energy is one part and ethanol is one small part of that.

      He's the ONE and the time is NOW! - OBAMA '08

      by Todd Smyth on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 10:22:32 AM PDT

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    •  some manufacturing is going to return (1+ / 0-)

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      gloryoski

      The price of shipping energy is going up, too. This is not to say that a manufacturing plant for our market is going to be necessarily in America.

      Canada has national health care (what our candidates are trying to sell us on is mandatory private sector health insurance), and Mexico has for practical purposes, no environmental or labor law.

      The solution for the first problem is obvious. The second problem? Leave the neoliberal playground called the WTO. Either rewrite NAFTA to contain real labor/environmental protection or scrap it completely. IOW, fair trade instead of "free" trade. We tried "free" trade, and what we got for it is a wealthier Richistani.

      Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

      by alizard on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 01:39:01 AM PDT

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  •  Bush calls for reduced OPEC production (1+ / 0-)

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    Rick Winrod

    to lower prices....I think he should tell OPEC that the US will increase gas taxes to effectively double whatever OPEC choses to charge us.

    $100 a barrel will cut consuption and fund our government if $50 is in US taxes.  $200 a barrel will do the same twice as well and strongly encourage OPEC to get prices down.

    Americans for Effective and Equitable Government www.agilepeople.org

    by try democracy on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:40:40 AM PDT

  •  Our economy is bleeding the same way (2+ / 0-)

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    Todd Smyth, Scubaval

    Social Security is "bleeding."  It's being sucked dry by the unregulated greed of Wall Street the same way Social Security is being starved by Republicans in order to kill it.

    •  agreed but I think, I'm more hopeful (0+ / 0-)

      The greed of Wall Street only gets it's way in DC when they keep half of us from voting and divide the rest of us and pit us against each other.

      He's the ONE and the time is NOW! - OBAMA '08

      by Todd Smyth on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 10:16:57 AM PDT

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      •  I'm guessing you are not old enough (0+ / 0-)

        to be depending on "Wall Street" to pay your bills in retirement.

        The run of the mill financial planner will tell you that to retire, you should have AT MINIMUM $1 million invested or saved.  At current interest rates, saving is not a sound option (best available interest rate is  about 4.8%.  It takes a 6% rate just to stay even with inflation & taxes.)
        In the last week, "Wall Street" has drained over $110,000 from the average $1 million portfolio. Retirees are going to have to plan to die a few years earlier, unless they can get a job flipping hamburgers at $60/hour.

        Wall Street has impacts far beyond DC.

        Every prophet knows that nobody loves you for being the enemy of their illusions. --Wm Sloane Coffin.

        by Orpheus on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:49:07 PM PDT

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  •  Good diary, and another solution to the bleeding (3+ / 0-)

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    Another solution is one that Germany implemented.

    Have banks give guaranteed loans to homeowners to place wind/solar arrays on their homes.  Have the power plants buy the extra energy back from the homeowners at 7x the going market rate for 7-10 years so the homeowners will be able to pay back the bank loan.  In 10 years after the bank loans have been paid off the energy companies will begin to pay market energy rates.

    Once this cycle has been completed on enough homes several things have happened.

    1.  A large number of homes have been converted to renewable energy.
    1.  A new workforce will be created to install and maintain these new wind/solar arrays creating more jobs.
    1.  Once the energy companies have finished with the original payment plan, the energy companies will have spent equal to the construction of a new coal power plant and now have the same amount of electricity generated without all of the carbon emissions.
    1.  Banks will see an increase in their interest income and will be able to either stop/re-hire employees lost from the sub-prime fall out.

    Man is the Reasoning Animal. Such is the claim. I think it is open to dispute. - "The Lowest Animal", Mark Twain

    by HermesTrismegistus on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 10:09:01 AM PDT

  •  Very good diary (1+ / 0-)

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    and I hope it gets rescued.

    Republicans: Your history has earned you a new mantra: "War and waste." ~~ Marta Jorgensen (CA-24 in '08)

    I am an Edwards Democrat!

    by Scubaval on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 12:56:27 PM PDT

  •  I don't think it matters... (0+ / 0-)

    ...who we buy gas from.  For the same reason that those gas boycotts don't work. Oil companies sell to each other, and you can't really tell which refinery the gas you put in your tank came from.

    "Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist." - Kenneth Boulding, economist

    by randym77 on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 10:09:07 PM PDT

  •  Missing response on your poll... (0+ / 0-)

    "Curb gov't spending"

    The lesser of two evils is still evil

    by JonnyDanger on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 10:52:21 PM PDT

    •  problem is almost no one in Congress (0+ / 0-)

      wants to cut military spending, or chop into Medicare with its strong coupling to older, more conservative, more likely to vote folks.

    •  $200B in current expenses a year (1+ / 0-)

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      is being pissed away in Iraq. That looks like a pretty easy budget target to me.

      At this point, a good part of our problem is that the government isn't spending enough on things which would benefit the American people as a whole.

      Know what shape the US infrastructure is in? That bridge collapse is just the beginning of what things will look like if this doesn't get fixed.

      Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

      by alizard on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 01:43:28 AM PDT

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