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Mormons for Obama

Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 12:19:04 PM PDT

I've had a strange couple weeks as politics go recently. I've mildly supported Obama the last few months, but over the last month have come to give more of my time and money to his campaign. Yesterday I became a precinct captain for the campaign. As such, his name has come up more in my conversations with friends and family, my Mormon friends and family to be specific. I'd like to recount a couple of these stories. This is not so much to praise Obama (though of course I would :), as much as it is to illustrate how badly Bush has hurt the Republican party and the conservative cause.

You have to understand the Mormon history in regards to it's relationship to blacks (both the larger balanced picture (even I couldn't hold the priesthood when I first became Mormon because of my ancestry, that's another story) and the 'Mormon friendly' one) and remember the fact that a Mormon is a strong contender for a major party nomination (though not the first, nor the only serious Mormon contender), to understand why these stories I'm about to relate illustrate Obama's appeal and a change in the church membership.

It's a glacial change to be sure. The membership of the Mormon church is still largely Republican, conservative and Bush supporters.

But there is a change afoot.

These are stories from two family members and two friends. ALL of these people are not only active church members, but devout Mormons, the friends are Republican.

The first are my Mormon in-laws. My mother-in-law and father-in-law are both 84 years old. They are both devout Mormons. The attend church and the temple regularly. They are active members of their Ward (congregation) and my father-in-law has held many leadership positions. They shifted to Democrats years ago, so their support of Obama isn't all that surprising. They like Obama and his positions. There is also my active Mormon brother-in-law and a few other family members leaning the same way.

But these are not the ones that surprised me.

It's my Mormon friends that have surprised me. I still have some close Mormon friends from when I was at BYU and was a Mormon (excommunicated in 1997 because of my relationship). Many I keep in contact with, but there is a couple I knew well and liked at BYU (they are married) who I lost contact with till just recently. They found my phone number, called me and we set up a dinner date.

We had a great visit catching up and then the a bombshell (at least to me). I hadn't brought up politics at all because I suspected, being devout Mormons (he still speaks like one ;), they were pretty conservative and I didn't want our first visit to be a tense one. But they did. They mentioned how much the loved NPR and listen to it everyday and how much they have come to dislike much of what Bush has done, the war, the deficits and more. This surprised me. They are still conservative in many ways (they don't 'accept' evolution for example :) and they mentioned how they thought Bush was a good man but that those surrounding him were bad :D. Still, they were disillusioned with the administration and knew there should be a change.

They brought up Romney. Being Mormon and conservative (faux or not :), he has a lot of support among Mormons. They asked us what we thought about him. I told them, diplomatically, I didn't agree with most of his positions and that I don't believe he'd make a good president.

Then they asked, tentatively, what I thought of Obama. I told them I was a supporter and liked his positions. Then the surprise. "Yes, we like him. We're considering voting for him if he is a candidate." My jaw dropped. In the rest of the conversation I got the feeling that they liked him not because they agreed with his positions but because he was able to convince them of those positions while at the same time listen to their own concerns. Bush had 'broken' their conservative foundation, Obama was offering them a new progressive one.

Even if Obama doesn't get the nomination, this episode gives me hope. 8 years of Bush mismanagement and corruption have turned off even some conservative Mormon Republicans, enough so that they'd consider voting for a man of color with progressive ideals.

If it turns out to be true, it's at least one thing I can thank Bush for.

Crossposted to Daddy, Papa and Me

Tags: obama, clinton, election 2008, mormons, romney, bush, switching parties (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  Query: What does your family think of Huckabee? (5+ / 0-)

    •  none of them, even the most conservative... (12+ / 0-)

      that I know of would consider voting for him.

      They make them nervous. It's one thing to be socially conservative faux-evangelical...

      it's another to be real life traditionally anti-Mormon evangelical.

      Daddy, Papa & Me: Two dads, a daughter & the politics of it all.

      by wclathe on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 12:23:24 PM PDT

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    •  The first thing Huckabee (6+ / 0-)

      or one of his ilk would do, would assault the LDS church. He's not going to get any votes in Utah.

      utahgirl

    •  Religious freedom cuts both ways (3+ / 0-)

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      As a religiously-tolerant atheist, I'm with my Mormon homies on this.  

      Whenever the state gets too involved in dictating religious belief, Mormons and atheists alike tend to suffer.  The Mormons in particular had some pretty unpleasant experiences at the hands of mainstream religious groups in Illinois before moving out west, and there has been before Reagan a trend in Mormom political involvement to favor a separation of church and state.  Some idiots like Orrin Hatch have backslid a little on that, but there's still a tendency among many Mormons to keep the two separate.

      Huckabee is not just very religious, but also intensely sectarian.  I can scarcely imagine that his particular brand of evangelical Southern Baptist fundamentalism would get much traction in the Mormon community.  

      In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ...Thomas Jefferson

      by ivorybill on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 12:46:23 PM PDT

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  •  quick disclaimer and plea (19+ / 0-)

    YES I support Obama and campaign for him.

    But I will not argue that here (or on DK for that matter). I like ALL the Democratic candidates and will campaign for whoever wins the nomination, clinton, obama, edwards kucinich, whoever...

    I just thought this experience were illustrative of how poorly the Republicans are doing. (and yeah, it looks good for Obama :).

    Daddy, Papa & Me: Two dads, a daughter & the politics of it all.

    by wclathe on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 12:21:57 PM PDT

  •  nice diary (5+ / 0-)

    This is one of those little gems that won't make the recommended list but should be rescued.

    I am not going to talk about JRE as I haven't heard how R's talk about him.

    But I've heard this about O from other Republicans, and I've heard that many moderate Republican women would support HRC too.

    It's looking good...

    When liberals saw 9-11, we wondered how we could make the country safe. When conservatives saw 9-11, they saw an investment opportunity.

    by onanyes on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 12:25:19 PM PDT

  •  Post a tip jar, Please tip & reccommend the diary (4+ / 0-)

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  •  He's in Utah. This is getting contagious. (3+ / 0-)

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    Obama has gathered over 200,000 dollars in Utah alone.  He's also popular in Idaho.  That's two of the three Bushlandia states--the most diehard GOP states in the country, even beating the south in Republicanism.

    Even if Obama can't win in Idaho or Utah, he's still getting much needed campaign dollars from there.

    This is a 50 state candidate.

    We need to be more careful in our emotionality on this site, because Clinton was our only big winner in 30 years, (Carter took office 31 years ago) and not even really 'big' in 1992.

    Republicans believe in gvmt. intervention for bankers and investors, I believe in intervention for the meek and lowly -- Nulwee.

    by Nulwee on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 12:27:15 PM PDT

  •  In the past, (6+ / 0-)

    when I've been in Republican territory and the subject of "who are you going to vote for" comes up, I know that the minute I say a Democrat, they quickly move off the topic. I guess they like me but don't want to create waves.  If they do get into a discussion (which I dread because I just can't lie but I do try to be diplomatic for friendship's sake) tempers flair way too fast and they usually back out with, "well, we all have our differences, we'll just have to agree not to discuss politics."  At that point, the fight I've been avoiding is about to happen.

    From previous experience, when someone asks, "who are you voting for", if I'm not sure of their political affiliation, I cringe a bit.  However, what has really surprised me this election is the number of these people I run into who are genuinely open to Obama.  I haven't had one Republican turn down the idea of voting for him.  In fact, two of them ARE voting for him.

    I think that speaks well of what his Presidency might be like.

    White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

    by nolalily on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 12:31:11 PM PDT

  •  Very cool diary (2+ / 0-)

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    and good to hear.

    In the wake of the NV court decision and Reagan wrangling, I hope it doesn't slip off unnoticed.

    I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

    by zonk on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 12:36:31 PM PDT

  •  Obama has some excellent organizers here (1+ / 0-)

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    I know someone who works on his campaign every night after work. The organizers are all young and from out of state. They don't fool around at night but sit down and immediately get to work phoning people. They don't watch tv or slack off. It's complete dedication to the cause.

    Romney is (of course) the favorite for now.

    utahgirl

    Ps If there's a connected Obama supporter, his website needs to link to the Foreign Service article he wrote which gives specifics on what he would do to combat terrorism. During a conversation with a collegue, we looked for something specific and could not find specifics.

  •  Obama's appeal to conservatives (5+ / 0-)

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    is not because of ideology, certainly, but from the following:

    1.  Obama is a man of faith who does not wear it on his sleeve.  Most people of faith are reticent about their beliefs--they are not out actively prosyletizing, and usually speak about their beliefs only when asked--but these same people are proud of their faith and let their actions speak for it.  Obama's demeanor, rhetoric, and work as an organizer/unifier resonates here.
    1.  Despite the opinion of many here, my experience is that the vast majority of conservatives are not neocon freepers foaming at the mouth. They are good people who don't want to be pushed into change.  When change is needed--as it is so desperately now--they will embrace it, but they don't want change for change's sake. Obama acknowledges the inherent goodness of these people, and is respectful of their points of view.  Rather than judging them, he incorporates their viewpoints into his overall calculus.  Even if his decisions do not mirror what they want, they at least feel acknowledged and appreciated.  No one believes that someone will adopt his or her point of view 100% of the time, and we can be okay with that as long as we believe we received a fair hearing.
    1.  Obama's story is the classic American feel-good story.  He is not a scion of privilege or political dynasty.  From humble beginnings, he quickly rose to a position of national prominence.  And yet, at various stages of his life, he eschewed wealth and chose instead to dedicate himself to empowering others.  If there's one thing that quintessentially American, it's the notion of personal empowerment, and no one exemplifies this better than Barack Obama.

    I have seen this in conservative suburban communities all over the country--red districts that love their local candidates but have Obama lawn signs.  This is why "hope" is not just a word.

  •  Welcome! (2+ / 0-)

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    It's not easy here in the Obama camp.  Lots of attacks come our way.  Change is not easy.  But we are very excited to bring the country together and bring about needed government reform -- such as accountability and transparncey.  We also look forward to ending the war and restoring habeus corpus, among so many other things.

    Best of luck to you.  And make sure you get a bumper sticker and yard sign!  We need the ground support right now.

    truth, kindness, endurance, Obama '08

    by CupofTea on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 01:01:04 PM PDT

  •  wow! good news! (2+ / 0-)

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    thanks for sharing!
    i'm in a lib. 'hood near foothill village in SLC.  
    we're not lds.  our precinct has a dem state sen, state rep, mayor and us cong rep, but a repub city council :-(

    i am looking forward to the voting on feb 5 !

    is it Mojo Friday yet?

    by jlms qkw on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 01:56:43 PM PDT

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