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BUSH: Saudi Oil Supply May Have Peaked

Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 05:58:21 AM PDT

The free market is efficient, but it is not subtle.  $90/barrel oil is how the market signals "More oil.  Stat."

But the Saudis and Opec have refused to pump more oil.  Earlier this week, Saudi Oil Minister Ali al-Naimi said "We will raise production when the market justifies it."

Why won't the Saudis pump more oil?  Maybe they realize it will be more valuable in a few years.  Maybe they want to weaken the US.  Maybe they want to strengthen their bargaining position in some behind-the-scenes negotiation.  Maybe they want to set the scene for a large pre-election decrease in the price of oil.

But there's an elephant in the room, which was acknowledged by President Bush on national television on Tuesday.  Maybe they're not pumping more because they can't pump more.

If they [Saudi Arabia] don't have a lot of additional oil to put on the market, it is hard to ask somebody to do something they may not be able to do.

The implications of Bush's statement are astounding and disturbing.

The remark was made by Bush during an interview with ABC news.  You can see the original interview here- Click on "Exclusive Presidential Interview." The above quote is about 1:55 into the interview.  Hat tip to Gail the Actuary at the Oil Drum; Bush's remark is also being extensively discussed over there.

If Saudi Arabia can not significantly increase its oil supply than, for practical purposes, it has peaked.  There may be lesser jiggles, peaks and noise in the data, but "peak oil" is what happens when you can not increase the oil supply, even if you want to.

Saudia Arabia was for decades the world's biggest supplier of oil, although I think it recently edged out for #1 by Russia.  But nearly all of the growth in oil supply over the next few years is supposed to come from Saudi Arabia and Opec.  If Saudi Arabia can't increase its supply, then we've got a problem, Houston.

The problem is that demand is going to increase.  That's what happens when millions of poor people take on rich-world lifestyles, like eating more meat, and are finally able to afford new mass-produces $2500 cars.  

If the world ignores-- or can not fulfill-- Mr. Market's $90/barrel "price signal" for more oil, then Mr. Market will scream louder than a spurned two-year old.  A few years ago, the "good old days" meant double-digit gas  prices; a few years from now, the "good old days" may mean double-digit oil prices.

And if supply doesn't rise, demand must fall.

Implications and questions
So its rather important to understand whether Saudi Arabia can not supply more oil, or whether it is choosing not to.

A great deal has been written about this in the public domain.  Of particular note is Matt Simmons' Twilight in the Desert and the work of Stuart Staniford.  What is happening behind closed doors?

Are our intelligence agencies attempting to determine whether Saudi Oil has peaked?  Are they infiltrating ARAMCO?  Are our signals interception agencies too busy tapping our phones to tap Saudi communications?  If not, the failure to note a clear threat to our lifestyle may one day be seen as intelligence failure on par with finding the non-existing WMDs or failing to predict the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Is Bush using whatever leverage he has with the Saudis (oil connections, arms sales, etc) to find out what is going on?

The Democrats know about Peak Oil.  Bill Clinton said in March, 2006, "We may be at a point of peak oil production. You may see $100 a barrel oil in the next two or three years."  Why isn't congress holding hearings to look into how much oil Saudi Arabia has?  

Why weren't Bush's remarks noted by the media?  They hardly show up in Google news.  Two Presidents have now publicly discussed peak oil (even if Bush did so obliquely).  When will this news become fit to print?

I don't want to turn this into a primary battle, but why has your favorite primary candidate been largely silent on this issue?  Why have all the others?

Many companies depend on cheap oil (car companies, agribusiness, etc).  It will make a big difference to them whether oil costs $50 or $150 in a few years.  Why aren't their CEOs pushing the government to look into this?  Why aren't their shareholders?

This will effect numerous long-term state and local initiatives.  Should your city build that new highway, runway or rail line?  Again, it depends on the price of oil when it is completed.  This will also affect the budgets of municipalities (money spent buying fuel for buses and asphalt for road-work, property values of houses with long commutes).  Why aren't local and state governments leaning on the Federal government for answers.

Markets work by sending price signals.  The price signals sent by $90 oil are largely being ignored.

For a representative government to work, the representatives must address and (when possible) anticipate future problems.  Carter, to his immense credit, anticipated the problems of limited oil supply and tried his best to address them.

He failed.

The lesson both parties have learned is that this problem is best ignored.

When will this change?  What will it take?

(Note:  As always, please check out Energize America to understand and help work on this problem.)

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  •  Tip jar (31+ / 0-)

    Its easy to speculate that Bush just slipped and told us something that wasn't supposed to be acknowledged yet... or that this is how he will make us aware of the problem without acknowledging yet another leadership failure.

    But those are just speculations, and don't explain why others have been silent.

  •  OK, I'm sold on Peak Oil (13+ / 0-)

    if even the stupidest person on the planet gets it, who's to argue?

  •  Finally... (4+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    NYFM, davidincleveland, Mz Kleen, chapter1

    ...the dumbass got it right, and almost nobody notices...

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight.

    by JeffW on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 06:16:28 AM PDT

  •  Good Diary (3+ / 0-)

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    davidincleveland, njr, chapter1

    Maybe you've seen Dawn of the Dead (1978) ?

    Granted, it's aged poorly (look at those hair-cuts!  Bright Orange Blood?)..., but Romero has a few things to say about how society/govt/the individual deals with a problem thats way bigger than them.

    They either ignore it (Lets Go Shopping!) or contextualize it poorly while fighting among themselves.

    Peak Oil is kind of like the Living Dead.  It's beyond people's comprehension    

    You Sacrifice the Thing You Love the Most. I Love My Guitar - Jimi Hendrix

    by jds1978 on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 06:21:37 AM PDT

  •  This is not exactly new (3+ / 0-)

    and has been discussed in congress. My own worthless representative, Roscoe Bartlett (R, MD-06) has spoken often in congress but like all the rest of our elected officials, no one wants to take a leadership position on this issue because that will lead to calls for increasing things like federal taxes on oil consumption to discourage usage and real changes in our daily lives.  This may be the only thing I agree on with Rep Bartlett as he is an otherwise worthless Bush enabler and total failure as a representative of our district.  Its just a really red district in an otherwise blue state.

    "It is the duty of every Patriot to protect his country from the government." Thomas Paine

    by rockfish on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 06:22:52 AM PDT

    •  What's new is that it comes from Bush (1+ / 0-)

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      davidincleveland

      also Greenspan made a similar remark a week or so ago.  The position of most western governments is that the oil is unquestionably there.  All we have to do is pay for it, and maybe overthrow a few governments that are getting in the way of the market's magic.

      Rep Bartlett (co-founder of the Peak Oil Caucus) is an anomaly; he's been a real leader on this issue (although I agree with your assessment that he's otherwise a disaster).

    •  Not a Bartlett fan either, but ya gotta give him (1+ / 0-)

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      davidincleveland

      you have to give Bartlett credit:  he has been talking about peak oil for years.  That puts him in the + column on my books.

      Every prophet knows that nobody loves you for being the enemy of their illusions. --Wm Sloane Coffin.

      by Orpheus on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 07:37:16 AM PDT

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  •  which dem candidate (3+ / 0-)

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    lcrp, davidincleveland, chapter1

    is most progressive on this issue? Nobody wants to take on peak oil because it is contrary to our economic system and very depressing. We can't grow the economy anymore and alt. energy will never come close to allowing us to maintain our current lifestyles. In short, we're fucked. Consider the other side of the energy problem- demand. China and India's population growth and economic development will send oil orices through the roof. Demand won't go down with decreasing supply. Rather, it will be destroyed, as economists like to say. They call it demand destruction. Others call it dieoff- http://dieoff.org/ Nice diary chapter1.

    •  Al Gore...if he were running (2+ / 0-)

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      davidincleveland, xjac

      I know you said which Dem candidate. In a dream world, he would be a candidate.

      I lost my faith in nihilism

      by PanzerMensch on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 06:48:26 AM PDT

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    •  I don't know (2+ / 0-)

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      davidincleveland, xjac

      My understanding is that all are a lot better than the GOP, and much worse than Carter was.  Also, what they say now may have less effect on what they'd do as President then, say, who their key advisors are, etc.

      A Siegel diaried their GW plans a while back.  GW policies are a decent (but not perfect) proxy for Peak Oil policies, since they are fairly similar.  I can't find the link now, but my takehome was that they are roughly comparable.

      •  Jerome's thread on this topic (3+ / 0-)

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        davidincleveland, jds1978, chapter1

        has taken the energy from this diaries sails. Ah, the doldrums.
        :)

        •  It sure didn't hurt... (2+ / 0-)

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          davidincleveland, xjac

          that Jerome's diary was better written and had lots of pertinent info.

          I had expected that someone else would diary this.. was surprised to see that no one else had, so I wrote this up.  And then came Jerome's :)

          I'm actually quite grateful to Jerome for prominently linking to my diary, which had been about to scroll off the recent diary list.. I actually think that more people will read this diary because Jerome wrote his and linked to this, than if he hadn't done so.

  •  Howzzat SUV looking now??? Yeah, the Hummer . . (4+ / 0-)

    is that gettingyou around OK?

    "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex" Dwight D. Eisenhower

    by bobdevo on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 06:48:04 AM PDT

    •  "I know it uses a lot of gas... (3+ / 0-)

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      davidincleveland, bobdevo, chapter1

      ...but I love knowing anything I bump into, I win."

      Yeah, that's a quote in Nat'l Geographic a couple years ago from a suburban Atlanta housewife Hummer owner. Can you spot how many things are wrong with that statement?

      The other favorite justification I see a lot for SUV ownership is that it can haul and tow a lot of things on vacation. Well, sure, but are you commuting solo to vacation every day at the office?

      What happened to the days when Mercedes and BMWs were status symbols? We weren't using up gas nearly as rapidly back then, were we [no, I'm seriously asking; I was, like, 8 back then]?

      I lost my faith in nihilism

      by PanzerMensch on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 06:55:22 AM PDT

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      •  "only" money (3+ / 0-)

        On Paul Kangas Nightly Business  yesterday Chuck Jaffe introduced the new money category: "only money."  

        Filling up a Hummer takes "only money."

        Only money represents the extra dollars that are spent in conjunction with any phrase that vaguely sounds like "hey, it's a bit more expensive but it's only money." Only money is involved in deciding between two products, in walking the fine line between thrift and waste and in any form of free, unnecessary spending.

        But on the other hand,

        What's become clear however is that if every decision goes against thrift, it's only going to add up to $750 to $1,500 per year. Given the average household income in America, that's only a week or two of income. The next time you are deciding whether to buy something, think about how much you can save and then set aside those extra dollars in a special account for your future. Best of all, you won't miss that cash that you're setting aside. After all, it's only money. I'm Chuck Jaffe.

        Every prophet knows that nobody loves you for being the enemy of their illusions. --Wm Sloane Coffin.

        by Orpheus on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 07:48:55 AM PDT

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