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Clinton on the Attack: Obama Said Gambling Hurts Poor

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:37:21 PM PDT

An interesting turn of events. Clinton is now attacking Obama for past statements that gambling can have a devastating effect on poor communities, in an attempt to pet large casino owners and gambling industry executives allied with her campaign:

LAS VEGAS -- Barack Obama has warned about the dangers of gambling -- that it carries a "moral and social cost" that could "devastate" poor communities. As a state senator in Illinois, he at times opposed plans to expand gambling, worrying that it could be especially harmful to low-income people.

Today, those views are posing a problem for Obama in the gambling mecca of Nevada, which holds its presidential nominating caucuses Saturday. While his top rival, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, also talks often about aiding low-income Americans, she has embraced the gambling industry and its executives, and her campaign has used Obama's past statements in an effort to turn casino workers and other Nevada voters against him.

I find this beyond the pale.

To attack a rival for commitment to poor communities and skepticism of unregulated gambling, for short-term political gain, is cynical in the extreme.

First, Clinton surrogates, with Bill Clinton's vigorous defense and support, tried to disenfranchise workers on the Strip with a (rightfully rejected) lawsuit -- an action roundly condemned by the Democratic National Committee and many commentators -- and now the Clinton camp has allied with casino executives to argue that Obama is threatening their livelihoods.

The issue has come into focus primarily due to the Clinton campaign, which has distributed a document to local reporters, headlined, "Obama Blasted Gambling as Socially Destructive and Economically Irresponsible," listing several of his past quotes.

Among them are a 2003 comment in the Chicago Defender, a black newspaper, in which Obama argued that the "moral and social cost of gambling, particularly in low-income communities, could be devastating."

In 2001, the Clinton memo states, Obama described himself as "generally skeptical" of gambling as an economic development tool and likened the expansion of slot machines to the state lottery, in which, he said, "you'll have a whole bunch of people who can't afford gambling their money away, yet they're going to do it."

As part of its efforts to publicize those statements, the Clinton campaign has secured the help of top industry players -- several of whom participated in a campaign-sponsored conference call with the media last week designed to chastise Obama.

Now, Obama is hardly dogmatic about gambling. Rather he takes the pragmatic view that the industry needs strict regulation, and he voted to limit rapid expansion of the industry in Illinois, while remaining open to its established footholds elsewhere in the nation, like Nevada. In short, his outlook was cautious and skeptical, but not ideological. His criticisms were singularly focused on the impact of the industry on the rural poor -- rather progressive skepticism, I should think.

So is being "generally skeptical" of expanded gambling because of its impact on the poor now something that Democrats should be ashamed of?

According to gaming executives and lobbyists allied with Clinton, indeed:

Former Nevada Gov. Bob Miller, an official in Clinton's campaign and a board member of International Game Technology and Wynn Resorts, said Obama's stance was reason for Nevada voters to choose Clinton.

Obama, said Miller, has been "critical not just of gaming in Illinois, but gaming as an industry. Sen. Clinton, to the contrary, has always been supportive and understanding of our industry." He said he was not speaking for Wynn Resorts or International Game when talking about the presidential contest.

Satre, former chairman and chief executive of Harrah's Entertainment, said he too would help raise money for Clinton. Obama, he said in an interview, "doesn't think gambling should expand. He thinks gambling has a moral and social corruption attached to it."

For Clinton, it's just a "tradeoff" she's happy to make:

In a brief interview Thursday with The Times, Clinton described the gambling industry as an "economic development tool" and said that "for many places in the country, it seems to be an important part of what they are trying to do to revive and maintain an economic base."

Clinton likened the potential social costs of gambling to the costs of other industries that pollute or leave toxic dumps, saying that the impact "depends on how well-regulated it is."

"Any human activity has social costs, really," she said, adding later: "Life is filled with trade-offs, and you have to do the best you can to balance the pluses and the minuses."

So gambling, like any other "human activity" like pollution and toxic dumping, can be a positive, if looked at from the relative angle of a Harris penthouse suite.

Indeed. Relativism is chic. It's also expensive, and has a human cost.

Hillary Clinton accommodated the human cost when she voted to support the Iraq war, and to realign our force structure in Iraq to prepare for battle with Iran. She accommodates the human cost everyday as she stands with the Bush administration in supporting the indefensible Cuban embargo.

Now we're supposed to understand that gambling is first and foremost and "economic development tool" the "social costs" of which are easily swallowed...without skepticism, without the caution voiced by Obama.

Maybe this is the same logic of "personal responsibility" that drove her to vote for the 2001 Bankruptcy Bill, which punished the poor most disproportionately. This matters even more when we get to California, my home state:

Two of the leading Democratic Presidential candidates had an opportunity to vote on the federal bankruptcy bill. Consumer groups sought an ally in New York Senator Hillary Clinton, who as First Lady had urged her husband to veto the earlier bankruptcy bill. She was very familiar with the issue and knew exactly how devastating the changes would be for vulnerable people, especially single parents with children. But their hopes were dashed. While her Democratic colleagues spoke eloquently against its passage, and sought amendments to soften the blow, she caved in to Wall Street, and voted for it in various forms. That hurt immensely. In the end, on the final version, she waffled and failed to vote.

Senator Barack Obama stood his ground and voted against it.

Now California is suffering profoundly from the economic aftershocks. Both candidates are seeking to portray themselves as champions of Main Street, not Wall Street. But only one of them stood up to Wall Street when it counted the most.

With all the talk of Obama's statement that Reagan changed the political trajectory in 1980 by appealing to disaffected Democrats, it's instructive to note which of our candidates actually carry on Reaganite policies, rather than just the Reaganite electoral strategy of appealing to those seeking generational change.

But Team Clinton have nurtured a few Reaganite electoral strategies of their own, and these of the Lee Atwater variety: petting industry executives at the expense of the poor, attempting to disenfranchise voter constituencies like students in Iowa and minority workers in Nevada, lambasting rivals for wanting to "raise a trillion dollars in taxes" (ie, raising the social security cap so that those making >100k a year have to pay their fair share).

Maybe it was the "Atwater touch" she admired when she mused that George Bush Sr and Ronald Reagan were two of her favorite presidents. It's one thing to talk about Reagan as a historical change agent who appealed to disaffected voters looking for a simple, "clear" message. It's another thing altogether to call him your favorite fella, and then think you can lambaste him on the campaign trail. The two points don't jive.

At this point, it's going to take an awful lot to regain my trust in Clinton should she become the Democratic nominee in the general election. I don't think we can tolerate the "social costs" and "trade-offs" that come so naturally with her political ascension.

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  •  yet another... (14+ / 0-)

    ...  example of Hillary's me-at-all-costs politics.  Ambition outstrips any sense of decency with the Clintons.  Blechk!

    •  She's calling him out for flip flopping (2+ / 0-)

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      How is that a lack of decency?

      From the Review Journal, who recently endorsed Obama:

      Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama enjoys poker and blackjack, and admires the way the gaming industry powers Nevada's economy.

      But in his home state, it's a different story. As a matter of principle, he repeatedly opposed expanding gambling in Illinois, saying it was bad for communities and not a good way to fund government.

      As recently as 2003, Obama, then an Illinois state senator, said he believed the "moral and social cost of gambling" was potentially "devastating" and that using gaming as a source of revenue or for economic development was "irresponsible."

      He didn't think Illinois legislators should accept political contributions from the gaming industry, and in 2004 and 2006 refused federal contributions from gaming companies.

      Today, it's a different story: He's the U.S. Senate's No. 10 recipient of gaming donations, backed in Nevada by such industry insiders as Billy Vassiliadis and Elaine Wynn, and actively seeking the support of the gaming-dependent Culinary union.

      •  Partially Impartial, are you from Illinois? (7+ / 0-)

        Because I am, and I'll tell you, our issue with gambling goes far deeper than what you can read in a paper from Nevada.

        Gambling in Illinois is being proposed as a means to fund our substantially messed up public transit system. Yesterday, our legislature passed a bill that will force us to pay $10.50 for every $1,000 per real estate transaction because they don't feel there is anywhere else that the money can come from and our sales tax and city tax are already outrageously high.

        But you read an article from a paper in Nevada, so I'm sure you know everything about the gambling debate here in Illinois.

        "You can't at once argue that you're the master of a broken system in Washington and offer yourself as the person to change it." - Barack Obama

        by GirlZero on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:59:47 PM PDT

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        •  Are you disputing anything in the article? (0+ / 0-)

        •  I love to gamble but, (0+ / 0-)

          the state of California instituted the lottery to help out the schools, and judging by the percentage of our taxes that go towards California Public Schools, I don't believe that was a success. My jury is still out on the Indian casinos here in California and whether or not the average member of each tribe benefits, or does the bulk of the money go to the supporters of these casinos, who have already made a fortune in Las Vegas, and elected officials to get legislation passed in favor of bigger and bigger casinos. I frequent these casinos often, and let me tell you Obama is 100% correct, the poor people outnumber the high rollers by a lot.

    •  Or sense! (0+ / 0-)

      Of course gambling hurts the poor.Alcoholism and addiction to cigarettes hurt the poor as well. Duh!

      I doubt the casino owners will throw up their hands in horror at Obama's statement, in any case. They will keep making pots of money no matter what anyone says.

      She has no real sense of proportion. This, "Ooh, look what he said!" nonsense is kid stuff, more suited to the
      sandbox.

      Nobody cares.

      Be a hope monger.

      by kpardue on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 08:29:43 PM PDT

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  •  Once again, we (5+ / 0-)

    can see she will say or do anything to win this thing. Those children she always says she cares about might go hungry in low income areas of the country if the Wynn execs get their way and have a corner casino on every block... oooh thats right HRC will regulate(tax) them to protect the kids...right.  She is in the pocket of big business more than any candidate on either side..why shouldnt the dems nominate her?

  •  May I offer some friendly advice? (2+ / 0-)

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    Sometimes it's best just to keep quiet.  Las Vegas and Reno are, uniquely in America (with the qualified exception of Atlantic City), built exclusively on gambling, done overwhelmingly by people who can't do it where they live.  They can't do it where they live, in part, because of the notion that gambling is a Bad Thing that hurts poor people.  

    Las Vegas, and the livelihoods of casino employees, depend on this view.  Assuming that the voters of Las Vegas have even the slightest bit of sense, they will see Obama's comments as beneficial to Las Vegas's economic future.  Rather than getting all indignant about Clinton bringing up stuff Obama actually said (did he not?), you'd be smarter to leave it alone, and hope that every voter in southern Nevada sees it.  They will see Obama as a protector of their franchise.

    -5.38/-3.74 I've suffered for my country. Now it's your turn! --John McCain with apologies to Monty Python's "Protest Song"

    by Rich in PA on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:45:35 PM PDT

    •  Keep quiet? It's on the table already. (1+ / 0-)

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      Clinton is aggressively pushing it in press circles. Thus, the Times piece.

      I think Daily Kos is a perfectly suitable venue for this sort of criticism. In fact, ideal. In many ways, this is about cynical political gamesmanship.

      So I'm really not following your point. Obama's comments were unique to casino expansion in rural Illinois districts, and they were apt. It's important to contextualize them, and to point out how the Clinton camp are inappropriately decontextualizing them.

      'Fie upon the Congress' - Sen Bob Byrd

      by Maxwell on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:56:10 PM PDT

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      •  I mean, let her dig her own grave!!!! (0+ / 0-)

        Don't create a dynamic where Obama has to qualify or backpeddle on something that is a certain vote-getter in Nevada, which thrives on the moral qualms of others.

        -5.38/-3.74 I've suffered for my country. Now it's your turn! --John McCain with apologies to Monty Python's "Protest Song"

        by Rich in PA on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:58:11 PM PDT

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        •  I see nothing for him to backpeddle on. (1+ / 0-)

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          His comments are perfectly reasonable, and they don't affect Nevada, which has been built fundamentally on the hospitality industry for almost a century.

          His statements in the Illinois state senate are largely standard NIMBY, although argued from a progressive perspective.

          'Fie upon the Congress' - Sen Bob Byrd

          by Maxwell on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 06:04:24 PM PDT

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  •  I've been concerned ever since (3+ / 0-)

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    Joy Busey, Empower Ink, Shahryar

    I started noticing Bill buddying up to George H.W.
    and he and Hillary began backing off their comments
    about our current White House resident. Something is
    knawing away at the back of my mind I don't want to say.

  •  Isn't legal gambling in Illinois bad for Nevada? (0+ / 0-)

    It doesn't cost that much at all fly from Chicago to LV.  I'm sure less people would make the trip if there were several places in Illinois to gamble.

    •  We don't need to fly to Nevada. (2+ / 0-)

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      We can drive the 25 minutes from Chicago to Indiana.

      Personally, I'll pay the $98 to fly to Nevada, but that has more to do with the fact that it's 5 degrees here as I write this.

      "You can't at once argue that you're the master of a broken system in Washington and offer yourself as the person to change it." - Barack Obama

      by GirlZero on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:55:00 PM PDT

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    •  Gambling in Chi-town (6+ / 0-)

      Chicago residents travel to Iowa to gamble in casinos on the Mississippi River and others drive to NW Indiana to gamble in Casinos on Lake Michigan, one of which is in my hometown, Gary, IN. I am here to tell you that casino gambling is a poor tool of economi development as the average job does not pay sufficient wages to support a middle class life and there are high levels of employment instability. Compare working in asteel mill vs. a city dependent on gamblers to grow. Which do you think is a stronger foundation for economic growth.

      "How can I go off and join FRELIMO, when I've got 9 more payments on the fridge?" Mrs. Conclusion Monty Python

      by Sansouci on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 06:07:18 PM PDT

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  •  Don't you guys (2+ / 0-)

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    ever tire of piling on?

    P.S.  He's right, gambling does hurt the poor.

    •  So we're essentually in agreement. (3+ / 0-)

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      And "piling on"? My criticism is entirely issues-based and substantive, no?

      I'm not criticizing laughs, haircuts, rhetorical turns of phrase, etc.

      I'm talking about policy differences and a cynical attack on an otherwise perfectly progressive value: protecting the poor.

      'Fie upon the Congress' - Sen Bob Byrd

      by Maxwell on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 06:01:12 PM PDT

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  •  She has nothing else save smears (8+ / 0-)

    The Clintons have NOTHING.  No record to run on, no brilliant campaigning save: scores of money, a natural media advantage, manufactured emotional crises, and pandering to the vilest instincts of Americans.

    They have nothing else.

    Do the Clintons give a damn about the Democratic party?  At all?

    •  No kidding. (1+ / 0-)

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      It reminds me of the saying: "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". A second Clinton administration will run on smearing and double speak; the only thing going for it will be that it is only better than Bush II. Who in their right mind wants Bush II as the standard to be compared against?

      •  Yup! Fear-mongering (0+ / 0-)

        "Us or Bushists."

        I knew Bush wasn't about shit when the Clintons were giving him untold amounts of power to inflict his mayhem.  I don't remember who said it in 2000, but it was said "you don't have to be a scholar to know the next four years are going to be ill."

        This is not the GOP, as the Clintons are learning to their dismay.  They can't scare me with Bush, because they enabled Bush at his worst.

        They can come with something real, or they might as well just shut up.

  •  re (1+ / 0-)

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    So does NAFTA Hillary.

    Mention it next time at the dinner table.

    "Steve Holt is now iSteve Holt 3G." - Steve Holt

    by cookiesandmilk on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:54:23 PM PDT

  •  HRC makes me feel like a slave (0+ / 0-)

  •  Who profits from gambling? (3+ / 0-)

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    Statusquomustgo, Empower Ink, sand805

    With the exception of a few lucky winners, the profits from gambling end up in the hands of those who promote it: gaming companies, their managers, shareholders, and vendors; and states that legalize and tax gambling--especially those that run lotteries.

    If you make bets rather than take them, chances are that you'll end up with less money than when you started gambling.

    John McCain's Straight Talk Express runs on fossil fuels.

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 06:05:13 PM PDT

    •  they are in the business of taking your money (0+ / 0-)

      and even they will tell you that.

      I refuse to give them a dime of my
      money, it is like pitching it into
      the river, cause you will never get
      it back.

      It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the environment. Ansel Adams -6.5 -6.75

      by Statusquomustgo on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 06:16:44 PM PDT

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  •  gambling and lottery... (3+ / 0-)

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    ...cannibalize the economy, every dollar spent at it is cut from the very flesh of local merchants, distribution chains and other productive endevours, but the staus quo loves the tax revenue at the expense of the general economy, so what else would you expecy from the Billary Clinton machine, 4 or 8 yrs with them will only be different from the last 4 or 8 yrs in so much as there will be a "reach around" and the odd kiss along the way

    please pardon the poor keyboarding, i can never decide which two of my ten thumbs to use, so hopefully some of you are fluent in Typo

    by TAPayne on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 06:11:11 PM PDT

  •  thought it was a snark diary (2+ / 0-)

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    until I read the linked article. Unbelievable.

  •  Good thing Dems aren't competing in Florida (1+ / 0-)

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    ...Obama believes too much exposure to sun can be harmful.  Hillary would have a field day.

  •  Interesting topic I had not read about elsewhere. (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks Maxwell.

  •  Oppsing gambling in Illinois is not a problem (1+ / 0-)

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    Nevada likes to keep gambling in only Nevada. It's why Nevada casinos opposed California Indian gaming. If people can gamble at in their homestate why gamble in Nevada? Las Vegas because it's like the middle class Monte Carlo has some immunity from this , but it hurts places like Reno , Elko, and Ely

  •  Gambling can do a great deal of harm (0+ / 0-)

    ..

    No one knows exactly how many compulsive gamblers end up taking their own lives in Canada. The Canada Safety Council believes the number is over 200 a year. For every suicide, five gamblers with self-inflicted injuries could end up in hospital. Gambling addiction is also linked to a range of other serious personal and social harms such as bankruptcy, family breakup, domestic abuse, assault, fraud, theft and even homelessness.

    The profits from government gaming operations are almost $13 billion nationally, but the costs of gambling addiction are not known. Some of these could be quantified, including medical care, policing, courts, prisons, social assistance and business losses. However, no simple dollar figure can measure the devastation to the lives of those affected by pathological gambling.

    Opponents of legalized gambling found fresh ammunition Tuesday in a study by a California researcher who linked the spread of casinos with high suicide rates in Las Vegas, Reno and Atlantic City, N.J..
         David Phillips, a professor of sociology at the University of California, San Diego, compared suicide statistics nationwide and traced significantly higher numbers in cities with casinos than in those without.

    Abramoff sold his soul.

    Hilary Clinton has to know this..there are so many costs hidden about the devastation on the lives of those addicted, Obama is at least being honest and walking the tougher road.

    Think Tank. "A place where people are paid to think by the makers of tanks" Naomi Klein.

    by ohcanada on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 09:02:06 PM PDT

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