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Ned Lamont gets asked the Obama question

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:10:34 AM PDT

I attended a local Democratic Town Committee meeting last night here in Connecticut.  It was the meeting where a representative for each of the major Presidential candidates gives a little speech and then the floor opens up for questions.  Many of you have probably attended something like this in your town.  Well, ours was a little extra special because the representative for Barack Obama last evening was Ned Lamont.  

It was an interesting evening with only a little bit of what you might call breaking news , but it did allow me to reflect on what I have been thinking about this Presidential race.  And since no one around here has written a candidate diary in the last 7 seconds, I thought maybe I better.

I wish I had brought a pen so I could have jotted down some notes.  For one, I would have jotted down the name of the guy who represented John Edwards because he was really very good.  He brought with him Edwards' 76-page booklet on policies and every time someone asked a question about a particular issue, he would look it up and then respond, "Page 46-49... Universal Health Care.  John Edwards' proposes....."  It was quite funny and very effective as it clearly got the message across that Edwards' is out in front with real, detailed plans.  The other reps, including Mr. Lamont, really couldn't comment much on policy specifics.

I almost felt sorry for the young woman representing Hillary Clinton.  I couldn't really tell who the favorite candidate in the room was, but it was clear that the most critical questions were of Hillary's rep.  For an establishment front-runner, it sure seems Hillary is the one with the most to answer for.  A question that the rep clearly couldn't answer, and one that I have never seen answered well, is just what the heck does 35 years of experience mean?  The man who asked this question was pretty upset and said something to the effect that he had 35 years of experience too.  Why does she have the audacity to suggest she has more experience than the other two candidates?  Hillary's rep got in a pretty funny line to start with - she asked him if he was going to run - but then swung and missed on the real answer.  She basically denied that Hillary was doing this.  I wanted to leap up and remind her about the terrible fear-mongering terrorist attack comment from the other week and how Hillary and not so indirectly implied that only she had the experience to handle that hypothetical.  But.... the meeting was pretty civil overall and I didn't want to disrupt that.

OK... that leads me to Ned Lamont.  Ned first stated how he started out supporting Chris Dodd that Senator Dodd had clearly done himself and the state of Connecticut proud.  I think most of us here would agree.  He then went on to talk about supporting Barack Obama.  And, the conclusion I came away with was that he is for Barack for the same reason I am really... and it may disappoint the non-Obama supporters here... its just a feeling that Barack could be a special kind of leader.  I know non-supporters hate that explanation.  But that's where we are.

All three made the point many times that we need a Dem President in 2008 badly to begin dealing with each and every issue, starting with the war. And they also seemed to agree that the policy differences between the three were minimal.  It came down to who would be the most effective leader.  For Ned (and for me) that person is Barack.  And there is a bit of blind faith involved, I admit.  But that is true for all of them.  I think of Edwards, for instance, as he is the one I could see myself supporting easily if I thought he was going to be competitive in the coming weeks (but I just don't see it....).  It is hard to ignore that Edwards voted for things that he now campaigns vigorously against.  It wasn't just one thing... it was many.  If it was just the war, it wouldn't be as bad.  But, take the Bankruptcy bill for example.  Here was a chance to do exactly what he now spends most of his campaign talking about... standing up to the entrenched, corporate interests and protecting the average American.  And he didn't do it.  Why?  Now.. that vote, nor any of the other votes, disqualify Edwards for me.  I think he'd be great.  But it does lead me to believe that all of them require a bit of faith.  None of the them are perfect souls sent down from heaven to lead us to a Progressive Promised Land.

OK... what was the Obama question for Ned?  This is the one little piece of insight I can share - if you've read this far.  Ned was asked about the concern people had about Obama's support of his candidacy and did Ned's endorsement of Barack mean he was satisfied with Barack's support for him.  And Ned gave a great answer that may not assuage concerns about Barack, but does say a lot about Ned Lamont.  I don't have the exact quotes, so I'm paraphrasing...

To be blunt, he didn't do much for us.  I put a lot of Democratic Senators in a sticky situation.  I sat down with Hillary Clinton afterwards and she basically said - ok, you won, now what are we going to do with you?  Now, what Bill's problem was I don't know.  (The Clinton comment sort of confirmed what I had suspected.  The one they were most upset with was Bill Clinton.  He was clearly the biggest disappointment.) Actually, it was John Edwards who stuck his neck out the most.  But we are here now to pick who will be the best leader for our country.  That issue does not make much difference for this important decision.  And I have decided that Barack Obama would be the best President.

Again - I want to emphasize that these are not exact quotes.  I'm trying to go from memory of last night... but I think this sums it up pretty accurately.

I got a chance to shake Ned's hand and talk to him briefly afterward.  He basically admitted that with Obama there was a bit of a risk.  With Hillary, you know exactly what you are going to get.  It will be better, but....

And I knew exactly what he meant.  

With Obama, there is a risk, but....  

And, again, I knew exactly what he meant.

That's where we stand.  This is a time where a progressive movement could really take root in this country.  I'm no historian, but it seemed this country went through a progressive movement at the beginning of the 20th Century that led to a breakup of the trusts, increasing worker's rights, eventually giving women the right to vote.  Perhaps we are at the beginning of new progressive era.  But that era will need a special leader to convince more than just those of us that already visit a Progressive website.  There is a bit of a risk.  But, this country needs to take some risks right now.  We need big, bold change and I think Barack Obama is the one that could possibly do that.

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  •  If anyone else was there... (15+ / 0-)

    please feel free to add your take as I was writing this from memory - and I have a pretty terrible one.

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    by TheC on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:11:14 AM PDT

  •  Ned Lamont is a class act (6+ / 0-)

    I'm proud that I donated to him, and, in hindsight, I wish that I had given more despite the ultimate result.  While I like JRE's approach, his approach isn't Lamont's approach.  

    Obviously, WJC's "win/win" comment about the CT-Sen race on Larry King still rankles Lamont as much as it rankles me.

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:14:36 AM PDT

  •  to convince us that (3+ / 0-)

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    I'm no historian, but it seemed this country went through a progressive movement at the beginning of the 20th Century that led to a breakup of the trusts, increasing worker's rights, eventually giving women the right to vote.  Perhaps we are at the beginning of new progressive era.  But that era will need a special leader to convince more than just those of us that already visit a Progressive website.  There is a bit of a risk.  But, this country needs to take some risks right now.  We need big, bold change and I think Barack Obama is the one that could possibly do that

    reagan was great president
    social security is in crisis
    Trial lawyers are bad
    cutting off funding is not supporting the troops
    Gays can be changed by Jesus

    That kinda  stuff?

    jes sayin

    •  You disagree... so we go on (10+ / 0-)

      My immediate answer is that your bullet points are a pretty inaccurate summation of the real events.  But I'm not going to argue with you.  As I said, all of these candidates require a bit of faith.  You can't make that leap for Obama.  I can.  We go on.....

      Your ad could be here.

      by TheC on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:27:21 AM PDT

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      •  While I can't base my vote on (2+ / 0-)

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        that much faith, I really appreciate this diary for being completely fair, very well-observed and well-written, and for providing an answer to something that's floored me ever since hearing Lamont's endorsement.  Thanks very much.

        Please, God, don't let the Democratic party make me vote for some pinhead who believes in the GWOT. God grinned...

        by planetclaire4 on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 08:52:10 AM PDT

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    •  Gawd (3+ / 0-)

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      Is anyone perfect?  Seriously - we will never have a perfect candidate - EVER.  Every one of the big three has problems - every single one of them.

      Have you ever had a "perfect" candidate?  One that resonated with you on ALL of the issues & had the record to back it up?  Pleeaaaaase.  

      Will you help me raise $1000 for Jay Nixon who is running for Governor of Missouri.

      by aimeeinkc on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:28:23 AM PDT

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      •  I second this (2+ / 0-)

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        The idea that Obama is a risky choice and Hillary is risk-free is a bit much.  Each candidate has their strenghts and weaknesses.  I, for one, am a bit tired of the misrepresentations of all candidates.   Let's all agree that:

        - Hillary is not a racist and not a progressive - Barack is not a Reaganite in hiding or not a progressive - John is still a viable candidate.

        One Man with Courage Makes a Majority - Andrew Jackson

        by Nick A on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:44:25 AM PDT

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        •  Hillary not risk-free (1+ / 0-)

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          What the author was saying is that Hillary is more of a "known quantity" than Obama, there's no risk of getting something you didn't expect.

          Bring the WAR home

          Starve the corporate beast, buy local!

          by EthrDemon on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 08:09:37 AM PDT

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      •  Seriously--could we at least have a DEMOCRAT? (0+ / 0-)

        Thank you for listening.

        Please, God, don't let the Democratic party make me vote for some pinhead who believes in the GWOT. God grinned...

        by planetclaire4 on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 08:42:36 AM PDT

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        •  Obama's not a Democrat? (1+ / 0-)

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          If this is your premise, you really have gone off the deep end.  

          Will you help me raise $1000 for Jay Nixon who is running for Governor of Missouri.

          by aimeeinkc on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 09:02:00 AM PDT

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          •  SPLASH! (0+ / 0-)

            (Don't worry--I have my scuba gear on.)

            All right, could we just have a capital-D Democrat, not one of these pale imitations?  I don't know why Obama declined to join the DLC (small d dems to my mind, and barely that), though even those compromisers probably would have picked a better example than Reagan of presidents Worth Consideration.  I want a strong, partisan Democrat.  With backbone.  One who will scare Pelosi and Reid into thinking they had better come up with some gnarly backbone themselves.  

            Please, God, don't let the Democratic party make me vote for some pinhead who believes in the GWOT. God grinned...

            by planetclaire4 on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 10:46:39 AM PDT

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            •  Well (0+ / 0-)

              good luck with that.  I just don't think it's going to happen.  But it doesn't keep me working and campaigning for Dems.

              Will you help me raise $1000 for Jay Nixon who is running for Governor of Missouri.

              by aimeeinkc on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 11:11:19 AM PDT

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              •  It WOULD happen-- (0+ / 0-)

                the trick is to just not work and campaign for conciliators, a "d" behind his/her name or not.  Sorry, I'm just not settling anymore.  Only doing Big D-Dems; small "d's" can look to Harold Ford and Rahm for help.

                Please, God, don't let the Democratic party make me vote for some pinhead who believes in the GWOT. God grinned...

                by planetclaire4 on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 11:45:09 AM PDT

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    •  People would believe you occasionally if there (2+ / 0-)

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      was at least a hint of honest about your posts.  

    •  Pretty destructive comment (2+ / 0-)

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      What the diarist said was very true, and completely positive! You can't equate it with negative attacks on Edwards, or homophobic comments by people who support Obama.

      - A hundred years ago, the governor of California was a doctor who stood up to special interests (the Southern Pacific railroad) and expanded the public universities and was a strong conservationist. Today it is a millionaire body-builder who slashes expenditures that support the public interest and is in the pocket of corporations.

      - A hundred years ago, the third party candidate was a Socialist who was a fireman and turned into a union organizer. Today, the possible third-party candidate is a Republican billionaire who made his money leveraging buyouts.

      The diarist is clearly 100% correct in the quote you raise, and doesn't make a negative comment about your candidate. Tell me what is wrong with the diarist saying "this country went through a progressive movement at the beginning of the 20th Century" and then saying which candidate they think can ignite a similar movement? (And don't say some Obama diaries are hit pieces -- that's true of all the candidates, and is roughly the same as saying "some moslems attacked us, and so. . .")

      By innuendo, you equate the diary with attacks on your candidate.

      One day you'll wake up and say: "I wonder why people did not tune in to my candidate's message?" And you'll happen to be standing in front of the bathroom mirror, and still not recognize that the cosmos is answering your question.

      "Stare at the monster: remark/ How difficult it is to define just what/ Amounts to monstrosity in that/ Very ordinary appearance." - Ted Hughes

      by MarkC on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:48:21 AM PDT

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  •  Sure, there's a risk. (0+ / 0-)

    So why is Ned Lamont trying to play it safe by endorsing a candidate who is absolutely no different than Hillary Clinton -- possibly worse?  Why is he supporting a candidate who speaks well of Ronald Reagan, and whose conciliatory rhetoric toward conservatives cannot help but lead reasonable people to question the senator's progressivism and motivations?

    •  Maybe Ned knows something you don't? (4+ / 0-)

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      Unlikely as that sounds, it's still possible.

      Or maybe he sees things differently than you do?

      Has a valid point of view of his own?

      Doesn't have the same list of criteria that you do?

      Has developed a taste for eating babies?

      Secretly wears ronnie raygun boxer shorts?

      Is really a Liebercrat, but thought it would be cool to spend $17 million on a Senate campaign instead of paying for a trip to the space station?

      Plenty of good reasons......

      Another lazy white latte sipping egghead elitist for Obama!

      by Azdak on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:48:25 AM PDT

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  •  Thanks for the report (5+ / 0-)

    I'm an Edwards supporter who came up to Connecticut to knock on doors for Lamont, and I disagree w/Lamont's endorsement of Obama -- but I think it does say something good about all involved.

    Edwards that he stuck his neck out for Lamont.

    Lamont -- well, Lamont's got my respect for taking on Lieberman.

    Obama for earning Lamont's endorsement.

    We do have 3 very good candidates for president.

  •  Thanks for the diary... (3+ / 0-)

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    Always interesting to hear these first-hand reports.

    Another lazy white latte sipping egghead elitist for Obama!

    by Azdak on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:50:11 AM PDT

  •  To sum up: (2+ / 0-)

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    Ned Lamont doesn't believe in the CT-Sen litmus test.

    Sounds about right.

  •  We seem to have a different view (3+ / 0-)

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    in our definition of progressivism.

    Obama is, more and more, embracing centrist politics.

    Reagan, nuclear energy, Obama-Bunning Coal to Liquid Fuel Promotion Act, votes for Iraq war funding, votes against Kerry-Feingold bill, against health care mandates....

    Ah, what the hey...let's put all this aside and have a cup of nuclear waste for breakfast. Yummmmm.

    "The one thing that doesn't abide by majority rule is a person's conscience." -To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee

    by ZhenRen on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 08:37:08 AM PDT

    •  Possibly (1+ / 0-)

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      I'm not going to try to defend everything Obama does or says.  I don't know enough to try and I also don't have a problem with still being critical of my candidate.

      That said, your list of complaints (and similar to the one posted above) seem to be taking a complex issue and trying to turn it into the most negative sounding bullet point.

      The Reagan thing is ridiculous.  I think the diary on the Rec List right now explains it best.  Reagan, unfortunately, transformed this country.  He found a way to communicate, negatively of course, with voters convincing many independents and Democrats alike to join him.  Obama wants to turn those people back to a progressive coalition by explaining to them why progressive ideas are better.  I strongly believe, as KidOakland beautifully wrote in another Rec List diary, that Obama is the effective communicator of the left that can make that possible.

      The nuclear energy and coal issue is a difficult one.  I am a bit critical of Obama on that issue.  It was actually the one tough question Ned Lamont got last night about Obama.  Ned's answer - and this was clearly Ned speaking for Ned - was that to solve the current energy crisis and make the transition away from foreign oil would realistically need to take place in stages.  At first, all options will need to be on the table to deal with the problem immediately, and then longer term options could be developed.  Basically, Ned said he is ok with Obama's position.  I'm not sure if I am ok with it, but I also don't think Obama is some evil nuclear power insider like are current Oil President is.  I think he wants to seriously deal with the energy crisis and global warming.  He's already flat out stated he will absolutely be heavily leaning on Al Gore to help with that issue.

      Health care mandates have been discussed to death here.  I'm ok with it.  Make insurance affordable and then mandate.

      Anyway.... I'm not going to try to change your mind.  But I do believe in my choice and so I will simply defend my position.

      Your ad could be here.

      by TheC on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 09:34:47 AM PDT

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  •  Feelings (3+ / 0-)

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    I have been an ardent Obama supporter since he first came into my radar when he was running for his current Senate seat, so my comments should be understood in that context.  

    I'm TIRED of all the 'he's inspiring' talk.

    He's brilliant.

    He thinks carefully.

    Over the course of his adult life, he has made uniformly excellent choices in all arenas.

    He has been successful at every undertaking (with the exception of his campaign against Bobby Rush for congress)

    He has a unique, global perspective (his undergrad majors were poli sci and int'l. relations) born from his studies, and his family life.

    He has demonstrated the ability to create across the aisle consensus to achieve results.

    He has apparently lived his life with a lot of integrity

    He knows how to surround himself with other brilliant people

    He is able to call people out in a way that is not offensive.

    He admits his own mistakes.

    His entire adult life has centered around empowering others. The decision to follow that path has often come at significant financial loss to himself.

    He has TAUGHT the constitution for 10 years.

    I support Obama, because he has proven himself able to be an exceptional 'decider'.

    Oh yeah.  And he's inspiring.  

    More States, More Delegates, More Popular Votes, More Experience, More Judgment. Obama = More.

    by pvlb on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 08:48:49 AM PDT

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