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And the Republican Nominee is . . .

Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:12:29 PM PDT

Anyone's guess.

Fear not.  Some people are hysterically declaring that John McCain is now the Republican party's "inevitable" nominee based upon his victory, by a margin of a whopping 3%, in tonight's South Carolina primary.  Irrespective of the panic, the Republican party remains fractured as ever and there are few reliable signs that Republican voters will coalesce around a single candidate before the party's convention.  

More, under the fold.

First, the obvious.  The Republican candidates are splitting the victories.  

Mitt Romney captured Michigan, Nevada, and Wyoming, finished a strong second in New Hampshire, and a not so strong second in Iowa.  He leads the field in total delegates.  

Mike Huckabee took Iowa and came in a very close second in South Carolina.

John McCain won New Hampshire and South Carolina, placed second in Michigan, and finished further down in other states.

Rudy Giuliani is pinning his hopes for the presidency on a victory in Florida, an unlikely event which would further fracture the already divided Republicans.  

Now, onto Super Duper Tuesday.  There is nothing to indicate that McCain will sweep the February 5 states, or even come close.  

Of the states voting that day, Utah and Massachusetts are very likely to fall into Mitt Romney's column.  Romney will also have the money to run negative ads attacking the entire Republican field in a large number of states.  

Huckabee will almost certainly be victorious in Arkansas, and has a strong chance to win in Georgia, Alabama, and West Virginia.  The most religious voters in the South Carolina primary--the so-called values voters--broke for Huckabee over McCain.  Huckabee is likely to remain strong, and viable, in the South.  

If Grandpa Fred does not drop out of the race, he has a shot at taking Tennessee.  If he does drop out, it's up for grabs.

Should Giuliani's Florida-based plan work out, he has a strong chance at winning New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Connecticut, and possibly California.  

The only thing I will say for certain about McCain is that, barring the most bizarre change of events imaginable, he will win in Arizona.  This is not to say that I expect him to lose everywhere else, but it's the only state voting on February 5 where he has a specific, identifiable advantage over his opponents.

I don't have a feeling one way or the other regarding the remaining February 5 states, specifically, Alaska, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, Illinois, Missouri, and Colorado.  But I do know that it will be damn near impossible for McCain to compete in each of the February 5 states, against a divided field of candidates, each with unique geographic ties and ideological positions providing them with discrete advantages.  

So what do you all think?  Is McCain inevitable or are the games just starting?

EDIT:  Another thought.  Check out CNN's website.  To the casual political observer (i.e., not people like us!), Romney may get just as much momentum out of his Nevada victory as McCain does from his win in South Carolina.  I realize that NV was not as contested as SC, but I'd be willing to bet that the typical voter is unaware.  Also, Romney won NV by a much more substantial margin. CNN's website Today's news coverage makes Romney's victory seem almost as significant as McCain's.  

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Tags: John McCain, Mike Huckabee, Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, 2008, Republican Primary, South Carolina, Super Tuesday, February 5 (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  My personal prediction (4+ / 0-)

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    Matilda, Big Tex, edwardssl, TexasLiz

    Romney gets the nomination.  He chooses Huckabee as his running mate to remain viable in the South.

  •  I love a good Republican (6+ / 0-)

    clusterfuck in the spring even more than I do in the winter.  Let's hope it keeps up.  

  •  Republicans are Predictable (4+ / 0-)

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    MichaelPH, jxg, MadGeorgiaDem, stevedubya

    McCain is on top of the Republican pecking order since he got second place in 2000. Republicans always find a way to nominate the candidate highest on the pecking order even when there is seemingly chaos.

    What is the pecking order? Here is the order:

    1. Incumbent President
    1. Vice President
    1. Son of a President holding statewide political office, and
    1. Previous second place finisher in the last contested primary.

    McCain is number 4. Despite the chaos, because of the way Republican brains are wired, McCain will win the nomination, and surprisingly quickly.

  •  I think it's going to be McCain (5+ / 0-)

    and that scares the crap out of me.

    Daily Kos used to be worthwhile.

    by andgarden on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:23:27 PM PDT

    •  It will be if the MSM media has its way (0+ / 0-)

      You wouldn't know it by the TV, but Romney came out of today with just as many delegates as McCain (Nevada has more delegates than SC for the Republicans, believe it or not, and they were split between the candidates).  Romney is also still in 1st place (by a lot).

      McCain is loved by the media though.  If he wins Florida, watch out.

      I'm very worried about McCain vs. Hillary or Obama.  The Republicans know that he is their best (perhaps ONLY shot), but lots of them hate McCain, so the MSM does have to work hard for him if he is to win the primary.

    •  McCain is beatable. (0+ / 0-)

      I saw somewhere some survey questions asked of random voters. It went something like this:

      Which of these would be a major problem for a candidate and might keep you from voting for him/her?

      a. being a Mormon
      b. being black
      c. being a woman
      d. being 72 years old

      More people chose "being 72" than any other answer.

      McCain has a lot of stories out there floating around... about how he gets very angry...uses bad language.... dated a stripper.... etc. He also got defined by Bush in 2000 as an insincere flip-flopper and a two-faced lobbyist supporter.... Rush Limbaugh can't stand McCain because of McCain/Feingold and other things....

      McCain is beatable. I actually think Huckabee would be their strongest candidate.

  •  My gut sez... (1+ / 0-)

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    anthonyLA

    ...it's going to be John McCain. Republicans will, like in 1996, 1988 and many other years go for the That's Familiar! like in the Branson, Missouri Simpsons' episode. They are more comfortable with insiders...maybe we Dems are too...

    *John McCain is aware of the Internet*

    by MichaelPH on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:26:40 PM PDT

  •  If McCain wins Florida (3+ / 0-)

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    I think he has the nomination.  If someone else wins Florida, it is up for grabs.  

    Democrats should be rooting for a Guiliani win or close second in FL, which would probably seal NY and NJ winner take all primaries for him, and result in this race going on longer.  

    John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

    by IhateBush on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:27:08 PM PDT

    •  i think Rudy is behind by a couple in (0+ / 0-)

      NJ, and only up by a couple in NY. i would LOVE to see Rudy lose NY, but that would mean a McCain win.. I think Rudy needs to be careful if he's going to win NY, he could really easily piss off what's left of his support in NY. Pretty sure both Hillary and Bloomberg could beat Rudy here  ;)  he's also behind in PA if i remember correctly.

      i so dread the Rudy ads . . . . {twitch}

    •  McCain and Thompson will continue their.... (2+ / 0-)

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      MadGeorgiaDem, anthonyLA

      ..tag team to take down Huckabee, who is the "people's choice". He does well even though he is running on fumes.

      Please don't tell me you feel sorry for Ben. Ben is a well cared for dalmatian and has not been harmed by my political views.

      by Bensdad on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:56:42 PM PDT

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  •  McCain Goes Against Two Things (1+ / 0-)

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    anthonyLA

    Republicans can't have. Immigration and tax cuts. I can't imagine that it will happen, but Mitt is going to win.

    Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

    by webranding on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:27:48 PM PDT

  •  McCain/Thompson ticket emerging? (2+ / 0-)

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    MadGeorgiaDem, anthonyLA

    Thompson has emerged as a key factor.

    W/O him, Huckabee would have won SC. Thompson staying in and beating up on Huckabee (and drawing a good chunk of evangelicals) seems to be helping McCain beat Huckabee in the south. If McCain and Romney battle it out in the North/NE/West/MW, then, with Thompson's help, he can win southern states (unless Huck can shut Thompson's mouth), and picks Thompson as his running mate.

    If Thompson drops out, McCain/Huckabee maybe a likely ticket.

    Romney's best shot for winning seems to need him to win FL.

    Just say NO to BAYH (for VP)! Here's why!

    by NeuvoLiberal on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:37:02 PM PDT

    •  Didn't think of the Thompson factor (1+ / 0-)

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      NeuvoLiberal

      Interesting analysis.  

      •  Huckabee helped McCain in NH (1+ / 0-)

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        MadGeorgiaDem

        by fighting off Romney. Maybe McCain has a little game of musical chairs going b/w Thompson and Huckabee for the VP spot.

        Huckabee still has an outside shot at pulling off a southern strategy (for the nomination, not VP), but he has to finish no worse than a close 2nd (but 1st if he can manage it) in FL for that to have any serious shot, I surmise.

        Just say NO to BAYH (for VP)! Here's why!

        by NeuvoLiberal on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:58:48 PM PDT

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        •  Florida (1+ / 0-)

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          NeuvoLiberal

          There are so many desirable Florida outcomes, and only one is a real stinker (a McCain win).  I don't know what would turn out better:

          Option A:

          Winner:  Giuliani

          Second:  Huckabee

          Third:   Romney

          Fourth:  McCain

          In this scenario, Giuliani's win throws the whole contest into even further disarray.  Giuliani likely wins NY and NJ, possibly a few other states.  Huckabee remains viable in the south and Romney is not hurt too badly because of his strong earlier showings.  McCain is wounded.

          Option B:

          Winner:  Huckabee

          Second:  Romney

          Third:   Giuliani

          Fourth:  McCain

          In this scenario, Huckabee proves that he can win in large states and his campaign is revitalized.  Romney makes another in a series of strong showings and proves that he is a steady, viable option.  Guiliani is finished.  McCain is wounded.

          Option C:

          Winner:  Romney

          Second:  Huckabee

          Third:   Giuliani

          Fourth:  McCain  

          In this scenario, Romney has a ton of momentum leading into February 5 and Huckabee stays in the game in the Bible belt.  Guiliani is finished.  McCain is wounded.  

          Wishful thinking??

    •  Too old for the electorate though n/t (0+ / 0-)

    •  Nope. I'll go on record here... (1+ / 0-)

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      anthonyLA

      ...that the Republican ticket will be McCain/Lieberman, if McCain is the nominee (which also seems a decent bet).  If the Republican convention is brokered, it will almost certainly turn to McCain - if only as a response to polling numbers in the general.

      McCain because he'll pull the Independents and will do OK with the theocrats - better than Mitt, anyway (and no brokered convention would turn to the Huckster).

      The Republican coalition is changing.  The neocons can live with McCain; but the corporate big oilers are moving out, believing that countries are no longer required and that they can play countries off against one another.

      ...and Lieberman because the equation of Presidential elections has also changed.  The normal justification for choosing a running mate has typically been to get one state in the general that would otherwise have been lost.  But Lieberman could make a big difference in several states (a difference that only he could offer to the Republicans) with heavy semi-liberal retiree populations who would normally be marginally counted (for this coming election - not necessarily historically) in the Dem column (like Florida and the Smoky Mountain states), or McCain's home state of Arizona - which he couldn't afford to allow anywhere even close to contention.

      Maybe I'm full of it, but that's what I see.

      It ain't called paranoia - when they're really out to get you. 6 points.

      by Jaime Frontero on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:08:48 PM PDT

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  •  Convention! Convention! (1+ / 0-)

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    anthonyLA

    Bro-kered! Conven-tion!

  •  As a 30 year resident of Colorado (1+ / 0-)

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    anthonyLA

    I think the Huckster do will very well here.  Colorado Springs is the home of Focus on the Family and a dozen other clusterfuck right wing religious idiots who don't use their brains but just look for the most religiously retarded and vote for him en masse.  Western Colorado in reliably conservative and has a fairly large number of Mormons so St Mitt will probably do well there, but that part of Colorado isn't heavily populated.  The areas surrounding Denver are filled with Club for Growth Rethugs and the economic Rethugs don't seem to have a candidate they can really get behind this year.  If they split between McCain, St Mitt, the Huckster (with a few votes for Grandpa and America's Playa if they are stll in), I think The Huckster takes Colorado.  

    Character, in the long run, is the decisive factor in the life of an individual and of nations alike. T. Roosevelt

    by jaf49 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:18:06 PM PDT

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