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Why this committed Democrat intends to vote for Huckabee in NH on January 8 (updated)

Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:54:04 AM PDT

I've been telling my buddies I intend to vote for Mike Huckabee in the primary on January 8; today I decided that I'm actually serious about this.  Let me explain why (this is only my second dKos diary, so bear with me; I promise I won't mind if you decide to troll-rate me in the end).

Bottom line:  
I think Mike Huckabee would probably be a lousy president.  But I think he should be the Republican nominee (somebody has to be, right?).  

And I can't decide which Democrat to vote for.  Perhaps I should start with that part, and then explain why I'm thinking that voting for a lovable clown (a mistake a lot of people have made in recent years) is the best thing a New Hampshirite can do next week.

                                      (continued below the fold)

     The Democrats
Each of the three leading Democrats has an important flaw that is making it hard for me to vote for her or him.

Atrios did a good job summarizing the Democratic front-runners' stances:

Shorter Candidates

Obama: The system sucks, but I'm so awesome that it'll melt away before me.

Edwards: The system sucks, and we're gonna have to fight like hell to destroy it.

Clinton: The system sucks, and I know how to work within it more than anyone.

edit:  I think Atrios intends these summaries fondly, and I know that I do.

Obama

* Krugman and Kos are right about Obama's tactics.

I was shaken by Obama's choice to demagogue Social Security, however mildly, in order to distinguish himself from Clinton when it looked as if she was locking the nomination up.  Social Security is so incredibly important, and while Obama told no lies he showed a lack of political foresight in focusing on its weakness rather than its strength.  As Krugman says, "He’s attacking his Democratic opponents from the right — and in so doing giving aid and comfort to the enemies of reform."
I believe that if he can learn from this mistake, Obama will probably make the best president of the current field.

Edwards

*Of the three major candidates, Edwards is the most vulnerable to fresh media ridicule.  

Anyone who pays attention if Edwards wins the nomination will be treated to a zillion jokes about his hair, his accent, and his supposed hypocrisy.  He's got Carter's mild sanctimony, Dukakis's wonkiness, Gore's pedantic streak, and Kerry's wealth (note: sentence edited slightly for precision).  He gets on a lot of people's nerves, for no good reason.  This is by no means his fault, but I worry about how he would do in the general election.
Edwards's focus on poverty makes him the best choice, for my money, of the three, in terms of policy priorities.

Clinton

*Clinton has a very unfortunate reputation among low-information voters that could poison her candidacy

She's proven that she can beat the media's tendency to run indefinitely with nonsense stories about her.  But that doesn't mean that she can overcome the unfavorable opinion of her held by lots of Americans who don't pay attention to politics (but are still mobilized by church-based or other GOTV efforts).  The right wing has proven that it does not get tired of attacking her with lies and sexist innuendo, and I'm afraid of what their tenacity means for her chances in the general.
Clinton's experience with the nitty-gritty of politics (policy and practicalities) makes her the best choice pragmatically for those who believe we should vote for the candidate who can get the most done as President.

What does saying 'no,' for the moment, to each of these three outstanding Democrats say about the future of the Democratic Party?

I don't know.  The future of the Party is uncertain.  But we know it has a lot of work to do, and at the moment I'm not comfortable with any of the three choices.  Fingers crossed!

    What Huckabee stands for

*As many others have said, Mike Huckabee looks like a human self-destruct button for the three-legged Republican Party coalition of the last thirty years.

The big money hates Huckabee.  The financial support he would have would be the worst of any Republican.

The rank-and-file voters of the religious right love Huckabee, and for good reason:  he's a Baptist minister who has lived a clean life.  This is why he's running so strong despite general media disdain for everything he's done and said on the campaign trail.

The neocons, with their think tanks and their army of talking heads, can neither help Huckabee with their praise nor hurt him with their criticism.  His ignorance about important foreign policy matters means they can't endorse him, but he's proven that he will go along with the conventional wisdom they spout in that area if he thinks it will help him win.

*Huckabee has almost all of Bill Clinton's weaknesses (and none of his real strengths)

In many ways Huckabee is the anti-Clinton.  He has lots of ideas about domestic policy, but hasn't worked with experts on refining or implementing them.  He has an attention-getting scandal on his record from his governorship of Arkansas (the DuMond affair) -- and although he seems to have made it in good faith, it was a very real mistake with very real consequences.  He is from the same home town and has many of the same mockable Southern idiosyncrasies as Pres. Clinton did.  

As a bonus, there is attached to his family (though not to him personally) an anecdote about the same kind of senseless cruelty to animals shown in the underexamined anecdotes about Romney and Bush.  (Please keep in mind that the junior Huckabee in question might not have actually done this thing, and that he was young enough that he might not have known any better.)  

Moreover, he has terrible political instincts that offer outstanding parodies of the most cynical GOP tactics of the last twenty-five years.  The press seems to get the joke and treats it with the disdain it deserves -- even when, as in this most recent case, the candidate is at his most sincere.  (I think he really did decide on New Year's Eve that going negative just wasn't his thing.)

*Huckabee seems like a good man who would do his best to learn what he needs to learn if by some freakish series of events he gets elected President.

In other words, he's the anti-Bush.  
(Note that NONE of the other Republican candidates can be fairly described this way.)

update: It's also true that Huckabee is just like Bush in some important ways, which, for those of you who savor just a little bit of spite, might be a plus.  Karl Rove and all his cynical minions, who packaged Bush falsely as a tenacious, brave man of faith, might get saddled this time around with just such a guy to carry on their legacy, and it would serve them right.

*What does voting for Mike Huckabee in the New Hampshire primary say about the future of the Republican Party?
It says that the GOP has a legitimate role to play in the future of the country:  as the loyal opposition.  People of faith, sincerity, humility, and tenacity -- people, that is, like Mike Huckabee (edit: and indeed, all the Democrats in the field) -- will always have important work to do.  They can be great American patriots in the right context.

  Why this plan will work

New Hampshire is small enough that a few voters who vote for Huckabee for the above reasons can make a real impact.  The media, which has been ignoring the Huckabee surge for a long time, will have to pay attention to it if he outperforms expectations here, where Romney is strongest (they can ignore it in Iowa, since they don't respect the opinions of Midwestern Christians).  And if Huckabee survives New Hampshire he stands a decent chance of keeping the Iowa momentum into South Carolina, Florida, and so on.

  Why this plan will not work

Apparently you can't change your party affiliation at the polls in New Hampshire.
(Money quote for New Hampshirites:  "If you are unsure of your party affiliation,  you should contact your town or city clerk, as they have the records of party membership.")

That's my thinking at the moment, for what it's worth.  Please recommend this diary, as I think it makes pretty good sense.

God bless America!

Jim von der Heydt

Edit:  I might be deciding that if I can't change my affiliation at the polls that I'll vote for Chris Dodd.  He's been doing outstanding legislative work for the country even while campaigning, including an incredibly underreported, heroic, and effective one-man filibuster of the pernicious bipartisan telecom-immunity bill.

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  •  You're fortunate politically to live in NH (11+ / 0-)

    I can't believe you couldn't make better use of your precious vote.

    John McCain: Vowing to connect real leaders with real bowels

    by chicago minx on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:04:06 AM PDT

  •  good (6+ / 0-)

    for a chuckle in the morning. hope you didn't spend too much time writing this.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-02-19-mccain-roe_x.htm

    by joojooluv on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:04:11 AM PDT

  •  good (2+ / 0-)

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    Spathiphyllum, Lobsters

    for a chuckle in the morning. hope you didn't spend too much time writing this.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-02-19-mccain-roe_x.htm

    by joojooluv on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:04:11 AM PDT

  •  I'm a Big Tent Democrat... (5+ / 0-)

    ...been one for over 40 years. it takes a lot of guts to come on any Dem blog talking about voting for "the enemy", but especially the one nearest and dearest to my heart, like Dkos. I'm just curious enough of a fellow to see where this thread goes. No rec'd. for you, period. And I'm reserving the right to trollrate you later.

    "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

    by ImpeachKingBushII on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:05:30 AM PDT

    •  Yeah, my TR finger is itching too n/t (3+ / 0-)

      John McCain: Vowing to connect real leaders with real bowels

      by chicago minx on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:10:06 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I used to vote cross-party in the primary (3+ / 0-)

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      rick, geordie, lgmcp

      just to F*** with the republicans. Then I saw the movie American Blackout. I learned from that that this small strategy, played for fun by a few might be amusing, but when the open party system is systematically abused by cross-voters, then bad things happen and you don't get real, good election results. Completely aside from what people may think of Cynthia McKinney, I confess that now I am ashamed of myself and won't do that again even for a lark. I like being Independent until the last second, but I will give that up if we leave off same day registration and go back to one-month-beforehand, which I think is the real way to give town clerks time to correctly check the voter rolls in time.

    •  I don't think rec is deserved, but discussion is (1+ / 0-)

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      lgmcp

      a good one.  Strategies for primary voting and opposition evaulation is legitimate fodder for a Democratic victory website.

      Discussing an idea and presenting all the good reasons to reject that idea is worthwhile.

      Believe me, there will be tons of folks tomorrow that will be marginalized within the D caucus that will be moving towards their perceived "weaker" candidates in order to deny the hated front runner they don't support.  The Yankee scenario (buy a player so the hated Red Soxs don't get em).   Example, I like front runner A, but there are too many factions to reach the 15% theshold for my candidate.  I go with 2nd tier candidate Y so that my hated front runner rival B doesn't get the added delegates.  

      Not the same as voting R, but a weaker candidate strategy none the less.

      "I do think it is kind of sad when everybody who owns a laptop thinks they are Thomas Paine" Redlief take on Helen Thomas, 2008

      by redlief on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 06:24:54 AM PDT

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  •  Huckabee is not the anti-Bush.. (5+ / 0-)

    He's the worst of Bush on speed.

  •  I wish I could vote in NH (6+ / 0-)

    My primary isn't until March 4th and won't really count for much. I hate to see someone who's primary vote DOES count a great deal throw it away.

    Also, what other's said: this is a blog for electing democrats and promoting democrats. You should probably delete before this turns into a train wreck.

    (And reconsider your vote - thanks)

    **Less than four months until the general election.**
    Just a reminder for those who have other priorities.

    by Spathiphyllum on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:09:58 AM PDT

  •  See item (7+ / 0-)

    #25, diary standards, per site owner...

    ~A govt lobbied, campaigned and selected by corporation... is good for corporation. Bad for people.~ -8.88 -8.36

    by Orj ozeppi on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:12:21 AM PDT

  •  Ummm . . . are you lost? (4+ / 0-)

    I'm very sorry, but as for your request that I please recommend I gotta say, "No."  

    Jeez, it's early for this . . .

    "Ancora Imparo." ("I am still learning.") - Michelangelo, Age 87

    by Dreaming of Better Days on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:23:18 AM PDT

  •  Now that the tip jar is banned (6+ / 0-)

    User without TU status can not see the conversation as to why this troll diarist's tip jar was troll rated into invisibility.

    That's fine.  We can continue the discussion about "violations of terms" if you like.

    Autoban
    If enough of a user's comments are hidden, the site will automatically ban that user. Banning means that a user can no longer post diaries or comments, or give out recommends. The exact algorithm for determining how many comments are enough to trigger autoban is not publicly known. Kos has, however, stated that the determining factor is the number of comments that are troll-rated, not the number of troll-rates that each individual comment receives. In other words, once a comment has entered the Hidden Comments section, additional troll-rates have no effect. Since Trusted Users are limited in the number of troll-rates they can issue per day, it is recommended that they refrain from "piling on" additional troll-rates to an already-hidden comment.

    This diarist clearly either needs to get a message that this crap ain't gonna fly ... or needs to be banned.  Troll rating any comments that continue int the above vein that he makes is one way to start that process.

  •  Frankly (3+ / 0-)

    anyone who thinks Huckabee is nothing more than a "loveable clown" needs their head examined.

  •  We don't use Troll Diary in the tags anymore (0+ / 0-)

    Also, tags should only be added to not deleted

    **Less than four months until the general election.**
    Just a reminder for those who have other priorities.

    by Spathiphyllum on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:34:05 AM PDT

  •  My Thoughts (8+ / 0-)

    If I understand you correctly, you are eschewing your Democratic vote in the primary in order to influence the enemy's candidate, yes?

    Perhaps that isn't the best idea. The Republicans have every right to pick their own candidate, just as we do ours.

    We are fortunate this year to have an excellent Democratic field. Surely there is someone among them worth your vote?

    As for Mike Huckabee in particular, let me be clear that I do not think all that highly of his "clean life." Republicans own no monopoly on morality, despite their advertisements to the contrary, and Huckabee's values, however personable the man may be, are firmly rooted in the backward miswisdoms of the 11th century.

    If there are any important women in your life, such as a wife, daughter, sister, or mother, then for their sake you cannot conscionably vote for a man who thinks of them as second-class citizens. You simply cannot. He may say otherwise, but his positions on the issues of women's rights have a louder voice, and they speak the truth of what he is. Forget his other flaws for the moment. Huckabee's sexism, by itself, is enough for any person of sound judgment to spurn him.

    However wise or witty it may seem, neither Huckabee nor his party are worth your vote. Please, I ask humbly, look into his platform, and reconsider your intentions.

    •  asdf (1+ / 0-)

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      The Sinistral

      If there are any important women in your life

      Actually, the reason I'm interested in politics is for the sake of my three daughters.

      •  then please (3+ / 0-)

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        Spathiphyllum, lgmcp, The Sinistral

        this is worth repeating:

        Please, I ask humbly, look into his platform, and reconsider your intentions.

        For your daughters' sake, please pick a Dem candidate and vote Dem.  Straight through, primary and general.  The votes count, no matter who gets the nomination.

        Hopefully, this election will see a record voter turnout.  Do you really want a tickmark (representing YOU) on the Republican side for number of voters?  Not I, not in a million years.

        Republicans: Your history has earned you a new mantra: "War and waste." ~~ Marta Jorgensen (CA-24 in '08)

        I am an Edwards Democrat!

        by Scubaval on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:00:56 PM PDT

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  •  i can't quite figure out your point (3+ / 0-)

    it sounds like as an independent you would vote for the weakest republican in order to sabotage the republican nomination. but you get exposed as a concern troll with some huckabee loving statements. and i loathe him with every bit of my being. i think its best to watch this diary just scroll down into oblivion as i am too groggy to try to figure it out.

    Life's a gift--unwrap it.

    by MantisOahu on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:40:25 AM PDT

  •  You almost had me until (3+ / 0-)

    I reread the diary, and I wasn't sure if you intended to vote for a Dem in the general election. Did I misread that? Maybe you intend to vote Dem in the general, but just have no preference in the primary, hence you will sit out the dem primary.

    If you intented to vote Dem in the general, and also make your voice heard in the repub primary, I can actually respect that. I did it in 2000 when I voted McCain in the Repub primary, with no intention of voting Repub in the general.  Now THAT, folks, was foresight... since GWB is clearly the worst ever, and Gore had the dem nomination sewn up.  So as a strategy it is not bad.  And I think it is better to hope that the best (i.e. least bad) republican wins than the worst.  Remember, the "worst" doesn't always mean the "weakest" or the "least electable." See GWB as an example.

    So Tell me Jim, do you intend to vote Dem in the general? If so, please reposd and I'll rec your tip Jar to offset some of the TRs.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:08:54 AM PDT

  •  Ahahahahahaha! (2+ / 0-)

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    Calisher, dewley notid

    Sorry, I just went back and re-read this knee slapper.

    the GOP has a legitimate role to play in the future of the country:  as the loyal opposition.  People of faith, sincerity, humility, and tenacity -- people, that is, like Mike Huckabee -- will always have important work to do.

    The GOP has no role to play in America. They have put their party ahead of country time and time again. Their opposition is in no way loyal, and they deserve extinction as a political party.  However, the people who have previously voted Republican have a role to play; as new Democratic recruits.

    But you are right, Jim.  People of faith, sincerity, humility, and tenacity WILL always have important work to do. Which is why I will be supporting Edwards this winter, and voting Democrat this Fall.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:19:30 AM PDT

    •  Well (0+ / 0-)

      Without the GOP America would be a one-party system. I don't know if that would be so good or not. Besides, my mom, my uncle, and a couple of more people I love are Republicans although I am a lifelong Democrat. Who am I to say they should not be represented.

      I see the diarists point. He wants Huckabee nominated because he feels he would be a very weak candidate in the General. I agree with his assessment that Huckabee isn't pure evil as Bush is. He is just nutty!!

      First and foremost I am an Edwards Democrat!! Support Heather Ryan in Kentucky's First!! http://www.actblue.com/page/americansforryan

      by RDemocrat on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:42:33 AM PDT

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      •  I don't want a one party system. That is bad. (0+ / 0-)

        I just don't want a two party system with one of them as the Republicans.  The new second party could be to the left or right of the dems;  wouldn't care as long as they are actual reasonable, respectful, patriotic Americans.  What is important that that the Republican structure (i.e. the individuals at the helm of the party and all of their ideological soul mates) be cast from power forever. Granted, this could possibly occur while retaining the name of the party, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

        So... maybe Huckabee is the answer to my wish for GOP party cleansing?  Or maybe not. But either way, notice that I am not one of the ones who troll rated this diary. I think he may be onto something, but he poorly articulated it.

        Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

        by bigtimecynic on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 06:30:49 AM PDT

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  •  Did any (3+ / 0-)

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    rick, redlief, Scubaval

    Of you people that TR'd this diarist actually read the diary? They are not right-wing talking points the diarist was simply stating a case for wanting Huckabee to be the nominee. I didn't agree either, I think that Huckabee and McCain are the only ones we should fear in the General and don't want either of them nominated. But TRing this diary? Cmon people, that is so childish. Read the damn diary before knee-jerking with TRs!!

    First and foremost I am an Edwards Democrat!! Support Heather Ryan in Kentucky's First!! http://www.actblue.com/page/americansforryan

    by RDemocrat on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:22:56 AM PDT

  •  One of the best analyses so far... (1+ / 0-)

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    lgmcp

    ...of the Democratic candidates.  I wouldn't advise voting for Huckabee or for any Republican, because I think that party's business in the primaries should be their business and not ours.  

    -5.38/-3.74 I've suffered for my country. Now it's your turn! --John McCain with apologies to Monty Python's "Protest Song"

    by Rich in PA on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 06:01:07 AM PDT

  •  Huckabee for Pope '08 (0+ / 0-)

    John McCain - Hope Less!

    by kitebro on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 06:01:45 AM PDT

  •  Wrong on multiple levels. (3+ / 0-)

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    Orj ozeppi, lgmcp, WI Dem
    1. Smilin' Mike Huckabee may in fact be more of a threat than the other Republican candidates, so supporting him does no favors for Democrats. The Theocon base already loves him because he's one of them; they can't wait to have a preacher in the White House. Romney is despised as an apostate by the Theocons; Giuliani is despised as a serial adulterer and abortion supporter. Grandpa Fred is simply laughable.
    1. Slamming Democratic candidates (all of whom are vastly more appealing than any Republican hopeful) with right wing talking points? Bad form.
  •  This is so dumb, you created a wormhole! nt (7+ / 0-)

    A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
    - Calvin

    by iconoclastic cat on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 06:08:27 AM PDT

  •  As a lifelong Democratic activist (4+ / 0-)

    I believe this is always a bad idea.

    1. Never vote Republican.  Bad habits are hard to break.
    1. For the record, in mainly caucus states, your vote as a Republican becomes a public record.  Try to be an influence in Democratic politics with a GOP vote on your record.  Many John Anderson voters tried to run in Democratic primaries and were trounced.  Even in Primary states, at times, there are records that you voted in the R races.
    1. I believe we owe it to the people to nominate the strongest and most qualified to be President.  That requires our close evaulation and everyone's input.  I expect the same of the GOP.  Yes, I want a qualified R to be the nominee, because they have a chance to be elected.

    "I do think it is kind of sad when everybody who owns a laptop thinks they are Thomas Paine" Redlief take on Helen Thomas, 2008

    by redlief on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 06:15:29 AM PDT

  •  From your diary, (2+ / 0-)

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    Land of Enchantment, lgmcp

    it sounds like you won't make up your mind until one of the candidates comes knocking at your door with dinner in tow.

    First of all you to stop accepting junk like Atrios' inane blanket summations of each candidate as holding any water:

    Shorter Candidates

    Obama: The system sucks, but I'm so awesome that it'll melt away before me.

    Edwards: The system sucks, and we're gonna have to fight like hell to destroy it.

    Clinton: The system sucks, and I know how to work within it more than anyone.

    This summation trivializes each of our candidates.  The only way for you to make a real decision is to get out of the chatroom and into some honest googling.  Stop reading other people's opinions, start reading the things you know you should be reading in order to make a decision and then do it.
    It's  your responsibility to do it for two reasons:

    A.  You have the privilege of being an American.  If you enjoy that privilege and others you have here, it is then your duty, your responsibility to vote in order to maintain those privileges.  Otherwise people like George Bush and Mike Huckabee will come along and make you do things you might not want to do.

    and

    B.  Are you kidding?  After George Bush you still aren't taking your responsibilities seriously enough to get off your butt and read a book, look up a voting record, read the details of why so and so didn't vote for this and that?  

    Lastly, don't vote for Mike Huckabee.  What are you, crazy?

    White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

    by nolalily on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 06:29:38 AM PDT

  •  If you're voting for Huckabee (1+ / 0-)

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    kestrel9000

    I question your self-assessment of your committed Democrat status.

    Vote for who you want, but don't kid a kidder.  

    Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.

    by boadicea on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 06:49:06 AM PDT

  •  Oh come on (0+ / 0-)

    Personally, I am voting for Fred Thompson, because....
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

    :-)

    (just kidding)

    By the way, what is the deal in the Michigan primary?

    When liberals saw 9-11, we wondered how we could make the country safe. When conservatives saw 9-11, they saw an investment opportunity.

    by onanyes on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:16:08 AM PDT

    •  never mind (0+ / 0-)

      Michigan and Florida don't have delegates...at least as of now, right?

      When liberals saw 9-11, we wondered how we could make the country safe. When conservatives saw 9-11, they saw an investment opportunity.

      by onanyes on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:19:36 AM PDT

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  •  Are you thinking out loud? (2+ / 0-)

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    WI Dem, Scubaval

    The update is good...frankly I would love to vote for Dodd in the Texas primaries, but unless enough people vote for him in the early primaries it will be a wasted vote in Texas. People like you can give Dodd a deserved chance to make the nomination which would give people like me a chance cast a vote for him that really counts. Food for thought.

    Anyway, if this diary is just thinking out loud; perhap you should delete it (given that it has become basically a small-time train wreck), think about which DEMOCRATIC primary candidate would best be served by your vote and why...and then post a new diary tomorrow.

    **Less than four months until the general election.**
    Just a reminder for those who have other priorities.

    by Spathiphyllum on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:22:05 AM PDT

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