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Michael Moore Praises Edwards, Rips Hillary

Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:17:29 AM PDT

Updated: Changed "Endorses Edwards" to "Praises Edwards."

Haven't seen this up yet, so for all of you Iowa poll watchers, endorsement detailers and primary freaks--Michael Moore hit his email list this morn with the following missive and dismissive of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Ouch.

A new year has begun. And before we've had a chance to break our New Year's resolutions, we find ourselves with a little more than 24 hours before the good people of Iowa tell us whom they would like to replace the man who now occupies three countries and a white house.

The genius of Mr. Moore--using a quip about occupation to stick a stiletto in the smirking chimp. After revealing that his original pick was Kucinich and expressing his surprise and only slightly attenuated disappointment, Moore reveals that he had been asked to pen a cover story for Rolling Stone to interview the top three Democrats with the provision that the story got a green light only if all three agreed to sit down with Moore. Hillary refused. The story was spiked.

Two months ago, Rolling Stone magazine asked me to do a cover story where I would ask the hard questions that no one was asking in one-on-one interviews with Senators Clinton, Obama and Edwards. "The Top Democrats Face Off with Michael Moore." The deal was that all three candidates had to agree to let me interview them or there was no story. Obama and Edwards agreed. Mrs. Clinton said no, and the cover story was thus killed.

After riffing on his faux heartbreak that Mrs. Clinton wouldn't "chat" (remember that online disaster?), Moore rips into the junior senator from NY:

Let's assume that's true. Do you want a President who is so easily misled? I wasn't "misled," and millions of others who took to the streets in February of 2003 weren't "misled" either. It was simply amazing that we knew the war was wrong when none of us had been briefed by the CIA, none of us were national security experts, and none of us had gone on a weapons inspection tour of Iraq. And yet... we knew we were being lied to! Let me ask those of you reading this letter: Were YOU "misled" -- or did you figure it out sometime between October of 2002 and March of 2007 that George W. Bush was up to something rotten? Twenty-three other senators were smart enough to figure it out and vote against the war from the get-go. Why wasn't Senator Clinton?

I have a theory: Hillary knows the sexist country we still live in and that one of the reasons the public, in the past, would never consider a woman as president is because she would also be commander in chief. The majority of Americans were concerned that a woman would not be as likely to go to war as a man (horror of horrors!). So, in order to placate that mindset, perhaps she believed she had to be as "tough" as a man, she had to be willing to push The Button if necessary, and give the generals whatever they wanted. If this is, in fact, what has motivated her pro-war votes, then this would truly make her a scary first-term president. If the U.S. is faced with some unforeseen threat in her first years, she knows that in order to get re-elected she'd better be ready to go all Maggie Thatcher on whoever sneezes in our direction. Do we want to risk this, hoping the world makes it in one piece to her second term?

I have not even touched on her other numerous -- and horrendous -- votes in the Senate, especially those that have made the middle class suffer even more (she voted for Bush's first bankruptcy bill, and she is now the leading recipient of payoff money -- I mean campaign contributions -- from the health care industry). I know a lot of you want to see her elected, and there is a very good chance that will happen. There will be plenty of time to vote for her in the general election if all the pollsters are correct. But in the primaries and caucuses, isn't this the time to vote for the person who most reflects the values and politics you hold dear? Can you, in good conscience, vote for someone who so energetically voted over and over and over again for the war in Iraq? Please give this serious consideration.

OOOOOOkay. That pretty much sums up things for most Kossacks.

And then Moore turns lovingly but acerbically to Barack Obama and pokes at the jelly that seems to substitute for policies in the Obama playbook:

Barack Obama is a good and inspiring man. What a breath of fresh air! There's no doubting his sincerity or his commitment to trying to straighten things out in this country. But who is he? I mean, other than a guy who gives a great speech? How much do any of us really know about him? I know he was against the war. How do I know that? He gave a speech before the war started. But since he joined the senate, he has voted for the funds for the war, while at the same time saying we should get out. He says he's for the little guy, but then he votes for a corporate-backed bill to make it harder for the little guy to file a class action suit when his kid swallows lead paint from a Chinese-made toy. In fact, Obama doesn't think Wall Street is a bad place. He wants the insurance companies to help us develop a new health care plan -- the same companies who have created the mess in the first place. He's such a feel-good kinda guy, I get the sense that, if elected, the Republicans will ea t him for breakfast. He won't even have time to make a good speech about it.

But this may be a bit harsh. Senator Obama has a big heart, and that heart is in the right place. Is he electable? Will more than 50% of America vote for him? We'd like to believe they would. We'd like to believe America has changed, wouldn't we? Obama lets us feel better about ourselves -- and as we look out the window at the guy snowplowing his driveway across the street, we want to believe he's changed, too. But are we dreaming?

Unless we are dreaming, that leaves only one left and it ain't Biden, Gravel, or Richardson. Moore isn't dreaming. He knows that Edwards started his career as a poster boy for the DNC but that he has been transformed by his life's circumstances and by opening his heart to the Americans and Iowans he has spend virtually every waking moment with during the past two years:

It's hard to get past the hair, isn't it? But once you do -- and recently I have chosen to try -- you find a man who is out to take on the wealthy and powerful who have made life so miserable for so many. A candidate who says things like this: "I absolutely believe to my soul that this corporate greed and corporate power has an ironclad hold on our democracy." Whoa. We haven't heard anyone talk like that in a while, at least not anyone who is near the top of the polls. I suspect this is why Edwards is doing so well in Iowa, even though he has nowhere near the stash of cash the other two have. He won't take the big checks from the corporate PACs, and he is alone among the top three candidates in agreeing to limit his spending and be publicly funded. He has said, point-blank, that he's going after the drug companies and the oil companies and anyone else who is messing with the American worker. The media clearly find him to be a threat, probably because he will go after their mo nopolistic power, too. This is Roosevelt/Truman kind of talk. That's why it's resonating with people in Iowa, even though he doesn't get the attention Obama and Hillary get -- and that lack of coverage may cost him the first place spot tomorrow night. After all, he is one of those white guys who's been running things for far too long.

And he voted for the war. But unlike Senator Clinton, he has stated quite forcefully that he was wrong. And he has remorse. Should he be forgiven? Did he learn his lesson? Like Hillary and Obama, he refused to promise in a September debate that there will be no U.S. troops in Iraq by the end of his first term in 2013. But this week in Iowa, he changed his mind. He went further than Clinton and Obama and said he'd have all the troops home in less than a year.

Edwards is the only one of the three front-runners who has a universal health care plan that will lead to the single-payer kind all other civilized countries have. His plan doesn't go as fast as I would like, but he is the only one who has correctly pointed out that the health insurance companies are the enemy and should not have a seat at the table.

Although Moore says that he isn't endorsing anyone at this point, and then pines a little for Al, Moore ends by repeating the words that have become the center of Edwards' message and the hope that so many of us have. Moore asks Al Gore:

On second thought, would you even be willing to utter the words, "I absolutely believe to my soul that this corporate greed and corporate power has an ironclad hold on our democracy?" 'Cause the candidate who understands that, and who sees it as the root of all evil -- including the root of global warming -- is the President who may lead us to a place of sanity, justice and peace.

At this point, I doubt if Moore's letter will change many minds on his mailist or at dKos, but for us Edwards' supporters, Moore's endorsement helps gives more authenticity to Edwards' progressive message and persona.

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  •  goddamn is this too late to make a difference? (14+ / 0-)

    I'm kinda pissed that these endorsements are rolling in only now.

    "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

    by Salo on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:18:37 AM PDT

  •  I got this email too (6+ / 0-)

    The first sentence in the penultimate paragraph is this:

    I am not endorsing anyone at this point.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:19:25 AM PDT

    •  Atrios hasn't endorsed either. (5+ / 0-)

      Or Digby, but the sentiment is pretty freaking clear.

      "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

      by Salo on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:20:43 AM PDT

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      •  Moore took pains to say he isn't endorsing (10+ / 0-)

        The diarist should respect that and refrain from making that claim for Mr. Moore. The title should be changed and any claims within the diary that Moore has officially endorsed Edwards should be removed.

        Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

        by bumblebums on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:22:37 AM PDT

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        •  I agree... (6+ / 0-)

          ...see comment downthread.

          "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

          by grannyhelen on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:25:16 AM PDT

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        •  I have the right to interpret Moore's comments (2+ / 0-)

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          And I choose to interpret his letter as an endorsement of Edwards. You should also be willing to recognize how Moore ends the letter. With the words of John Edwards and then equating those words with "the President who may lead us to a place of sanity, justice and peace."

          "I absolutely believe to my soul that this corporate greed and corporate power has an ironclad hold on our democracy?" 'Cause the candidate who understands that, and who sees it as the root of all evil -- including the root of global warming -- is the President who may lead us to a place of sanity, justice and peace.

          The only person who "knows" whether or not Moore is "endorsing" Edwards is Moore. In the meantime, he has sent this letter for our reading and interpretation.

          Thank goodness Keith Olbermann and Glenn Greenwald are not "trained" journalists. You know, trained like circus animals.

          by media whores on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:28:34 AM PDT

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          •  Put the word in quotation marks then (3+ / 0-)

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            indicating that it's not really an endorsement.

            Your title is inaccurate, as are the several references within the diary.

            Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

            by bumblebums on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:29:13 AM PDT

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          •  Stick to your instincts and go with your original (1+ / 0-)

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            title... except put the word endorse in quotation marks like bumblebums suggested.

            That makes it legit and yet retains the flavor.

            Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

            by bronte17 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:51:36 AM PDT

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          •  It's all but an endorsement. (1+ / 0-)

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            The meaning is clear to anyone reasonable as you point out. The swarm of purists, which I'm one of in many cases, are out for blood. First Nader then almost Moore endorse Edwards. The lions are restless.

            Thanks for the diary, I hadn't seen this one.

      •  Huh? (3+ / 0-)

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        Diary title:

        Michael Moore Endorses Edwards . . .

        He didn't do that, did he?  The title should be fixed.  If it isn't, the diarist should be fixed.  Really, this is an easy one.

    •  Exactly . . and the penultimate graf (1+ / 0-)

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      of the diary points that out. It's an endorsement without being an endorsement. More (Moore) equivocation when it comes to Edwards.

      Thank goodness Keith Olbermann and Glenn Greenwald are not "trained" journalists. You know, trained like circus animals.

      by media whores on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:24:05 AM PDT

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      •  Dude, your title is wrong. (2+ / 0-)

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        I have no frikkin clue what you are arguing about.  

        •  You were legit with saying there was no specific (0+ / 0-)

          endorsement, BUT to say there the diarist offers no clue about the topic is just wrong.

          It's as plain as the nose on your face... Moore lays out exactly and precisely the issues he sees with each of the major candidates and Edwards is the one he praises at the end.

          Moore acknowledges that Edwards is the best candidate after his analysis and examination of Obama and Mrs. Clinton.

          Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

          by bronte17 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:30:59 AM PDT

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          •  Good morning. (1+ / 0-)

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            Wanna see who your new buddy is:

            The first year after 9-11, I ignored those who asked us to question the official story. Sadly, I now fear that criminal elements within our own country committed a vicious criminal act against its own citizens. Let's investigate.

            Linky

            •  Good morning to you too. (1+ / 0-)

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              I don't do the "buddy" system.  Just read and recommend if others should see it.

              You will notice that quotation could justify something other than 9-11 conspiracy theories?  Technically... it can describe the past seven years.  

              "The official story" is a lie. Yep. You know the bush administration and Giuliani and the entire lot of the GOP have sapped 9-11 for all its worth?  

              "Criminal elements within our own country committed...criminal act against its own citizen... Yep.

              "Let's investigate."  Yep.

              His site does NOT say that the falling Twin Towers were an act done by the bush administration.  His site lists many names and pdfs of questions that have been raised about this administration and its "official" version of 9-11.  

              Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

              by bronte17 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 08:02:22 AM PDT

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              •  Um . . . (0+ / 0-)

                You will notice that quotation could justify something other than 9-11 conspiracy theories?  Technically... it can describe the past seven years.  

                Yes, disguising the point with questions which could be interpreted multiple ways is SOP for CTers.  

                Sadly, I now fear that criminal elements within our own country committed a vicious criminal act against its own citizens.

                OK, you wanna play:  Name the criminal act (s) committed and the citizens who were victimized.  

                •  Wait a minute... you telling me that the bush (0+ / 0-)

                  cabal have done nothing criminal... no criminal acts during the past seven years... and that no citizens were victimized?

                  No need to talk past each other 'cause I know we're both on the same page when you get right down to it.

                  I didn't check thoroughly on his website, but while perusing the pdfs I did not notice anything about the "falling Twin Towers" and that is "teh" conspiracy theory.  So, I simply put a different spin on it than "he's a CTer."

                  Not trying to play tit-for-tat with you.

                  Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

                  by bronte17 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 08:30:59 PM PDT

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      •  Or the last graf (2+ / 0-)

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        where he even asks if Gore would be this outspoken on the state of affairs in this country today:

        On second thought, would you [Gore] even be willing to utter the words, "I absolutely believe to my soul that this corporate greed and corporate power has an ironclad hold on our democracy?" 'Cause the candidate who understands that, and who sees it as the root of all evil -- including the root of global warming -- is the President who may lead us to a place of sanity, justice and peace.

        The implication is clear: Edwards is the President that may lead us to a place of sanity, justice and peace if we nominate him.

  •  I guess this means... (1+ / 0-)

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    ...that Nader isn't running this time?

    </snark>

  •  You should probably amend the title... (11+ / 0-)

    Michael Moore "praises" Edwards, as that's an accurate reflection of what he wrote.

    "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

    by grannyhelen on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:24:42 AM PDT

    •  Yup (3+ / 0-)

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      One of the fun things about supporting Edwards is that we can simply tell the truth and still be effective supporters of our candidate.
    •  To be fair, is that *all* that Moore offered... (0+ / 0-)

      simple "praise?"

      It was stronger than "praise."  "...Cause the candidate who understands that...is the President who may lead us to a place of sanity, justice and peace."

      It's hard to get past the hair, isn't it? But once you do -- and recently I have chosen to try -- you find a man who is out to take on the wealthy and powerful who have made life so miserable for so many. A candidate who says things like this: "I absolutely believe to my soul that this corporate greed and corporate power has an ironclad hold on our democracy." Whoa. We haven't heard anyone talk like that in a while...

      On second thought, would you even be willing to utter the words, "I absolutely believe to my soul that this corporate greed and corporate power has an ironclad hold on our democracy?" 'Cause the candidate who understands that, and who sees it as the root of all evil -- including the root of global warming -- is the President who may lead us to a place of sanity, justice and peace.

      The diarist should not call it "praise."  Moore says Edwards gets it...Obama and Mrs. Clinton miss the mark.

      Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

      by bronte17 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:44:03 AM PDT

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      •  I thought it was an endorsement too ... but (3+ / 0-)

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        MajorFlaw and the others have a point and functioned as good editors here. I should have dealt more with Moore's statement "I am not endorsing anyone at this point."

        Thank goodness Keith Olbermann and Glenn Greenwald are not "trained" journalists. You know, trained like circus animals.

        by media whores on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:49:47 AM PDT

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        •  Moore didn't pussyfoot around (1+ / 0-)

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          While he did not specifically endorse Edwards, he gave more than praise. He "endorsed" Edwards platform and ideas.

          He laid it out with specific language that said Obama and Mrs. Clinton didn't meet the marks.

          Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

          by bronte17 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 08:07:04 AM PDT

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  •  Its curious that the guy he pines for (0+ / 0-)

    barely got 50% of the country as well. And still lost the election.

    I love it when people say "Theyll never vote for Obama." Well, they never voted for Gore or Kerry either now did they?

    With him from the beginning, with him until the end.

    by brooklynbadboy on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:33:23 AM PDT

  •  Why the hell should any Democrat meet with a (0+ / 0-)

    Green backer like Moore? He likes Gore now? That's a fucking joke.

    Hillary Clinton's Liberal Ranking http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/10/122232/619

    by tigercourse on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:36:15 AM PDT

    •  Gen. Clark, that Green! haha n/t (0+ / 0-)

    •  Moore has praised Gore for a long time now (6+ / 0-)

      and Moore apologized for his errors of the past.

      At least some people wake up to reality.

      Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

      by bronte17 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:46:27 AM PDT

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      •  Agreed (3+ / 0-)

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        Moore was wrong in 2000 and has acknowledged that publicly. But let's be clear: Gore won Florida. Even though Nader took about 100,000 votes Moore could not have predicted the degree of statewide and systematic disenfranchisement of Democratic votes in advance of that election. He went with the guy he thought had the best progressive message on economic fairness and social justice. Now he seems to be with Edwards for exactly the same reasons.

        Thank God this party has John Edwards. I hope Edwards wins Iowa and can reform our party just as much as our government.

        •  You are assuming that Nader voters (2+ / 0-)

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          would have otherwise voted for a Dem that year.

          If they didn't have Nader dissaffected voters would have found someone like Ron Paul or who ever to rally around.

          Agreed though, on that point that nader denied Gore a hundred or thousand votes of misguided Dems.

          But again you never know, people who vote for a thiord party appear to do so habitually and are not very interested in the big two.

          "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

          by Salo on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 08:36:28 AM PDT

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          •  We'll never know (0+ / 0-)

            but one thing is certain Bush won the only vote that counted 5-4 and if the statewide recount had gone through as ordered by the state SC then he would have won that election even with Nader's "spoiler" role and the votes he got on the green ticket.

    •  re (2+ / 0-)

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      Because he is a progressive, that has been fighting for progressive causes, to bad Hillary did not have the courage to be interviewed by him:

      Two months ago, Rolling Stone magazine asked me to do a cover story where I would ask the hard questions that no one was asking in one-on-one interviews with Senators Clinton, Obama and Edwards. "The Top Democrats Face Off with Michael Moore." The deal was that all three candidates had to agree to let me interview them or there was no story. Obama and Edwards agreed. Mrs. Clinton said no, and the cover story was thus killed.

      Why would the love of my life, Hillary Clinton, not sit down to talk with me? What was she afraid of?

      Gotta control the message I guess huh Hillary, planting questions in Nov, Not answering Iowan's questions in Dec.

      4 more years of this crap.

      Please Iowa, go Nancy Reagan on us and just say No.

      "Obama / Steve Holt '08!" - Steve Holt

      by cookiesandmilk on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:50:02 AM PDT

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  •  Michael Moore was a ... (2+ / 0-)

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    ..big Ralph Nader guy in 2000.

    So it's not like Moore possesses great instincts when it comes to making wise candidate choices.

    No, I'm not a pro-Hillary or pro-Obama person taking a back-handed jab at Moore.  I'm just pointing out M. Moore is the "When-you-vote-for-the lesser-of-two evils-you-still-get-evil" guy of 2000.

    Having said that, I like Moore and agree with  his mission.

    And I wish Hillary would had broken through her multi-layered consultant wall & given Moore his interview.

    "The thought of [McCain] being president sends a cold chill down my spine."-Senator Thad Cochran, Mississippi Republican.

    by wyvern on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:45:21 AM PDT

    •  I agree that Moore was wrong in 2000 (3+ / 0-)

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      But as I've posted above, Gore did win Florida. Nader is considered the spoiler and I'm not saying that he wasn't, but the way it went down was unprecedented in that the state government did everything they possible could to discount Democratic votes. Could anyone have predicted the scale of their actions?

    •  He was a major force for good in 2004 (1+ / 0-)

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      So it's good to see the left find a champion in the Party again instead of looking outside the party.

      "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

      by Salo on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 08:33:42 AM PDT

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    •  wrong!! (2+ / 0-)

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      i am so tired of seeing this repeated.

      yes, moore did indeed back nader in 2000.  but moore was all over the place screaming for people in swing states to vote gore over nader.  moore only advocated voting for nader in "safe" blue states.

      go read stupid white men.  it has all the details of how moore agonised over that last few weeks, including his choice to publicly advocate for gore in FLA.

      John Cornyn is an asshole with shoes. Support Rick Noriega!

      by anna on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 08:42:31 AM PDT

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  •  Is anyone going to comment on something other (3+ / 0-)

    than the diary title.  Sheez.  Moore makes some truly excellent points as the diarist highlights and instead of debating them in the comment thread, people are concerned with pointless endorsements and quotation marks.    

    My UID is bigger than yours.

    by Suburban Blue on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:46:27 AM PDT

    •  Now that the title is fixed (2+ / 0-)

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      the focus has gone to the excellent points Moore makes.

      Accuracy in reporting.

      It's what we do in the reality based community.

      If Moore says it's not an endorsement, it's not.

      I thank the diarist for editing the title.

      Truth matters.

      Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

      by bumblebums on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 08:04:35 AM PDT

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  •  Wow (6+ / 0-)

    A scathing rebuke of Hillary and even a dig on Gore. Moore is a peerless critic and I've been in love with him since he hunted Roger Smith down through the discarded and dilapidated towns he calls home in what I thought at the time was a promising piece from a great new progressive voice in America. I've have yet to be disappointed.

    And I'm glad that he wrote this letter to all his fans out there. I am sick and f8cking tired of the characterization of the Edwards message as harsh, angry and anti-corporate. If things weren't this bad in this country then they could all run as Santa Claus and stroke our egos with stories about how great we are.

    We are a great people, but we have lost our way as a nation. It's time for some truth and some harsh realities.

    Thanks Mike.

  •  it's news to me that Edwards has changed his (2+ / 0-)

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    Iraq policy. Moore says:

    But this week in Iowa, he changed his mind. He went further than Clinton and Obama and said he'd have all the troops home in less than a year.

    But Moore is wrong to say that's a change!

    Edwards has been saying all year that he'd get all combat troops out of Iraq during the first year of his presidency -- 50,000 combat troops out immediately, and the rest out in 10 months. Edwards has said all year the only troops left in Iraq after that would be maybe a brigade to guard the U.S. embassy and "probably we'll have humanitarian workers there".

    I mean, unless Edwards is saying he's not leaving troops behind to guard the embassy, or he's now saying we "probably will NOT have humanitarian workers" left in Iraq who might need a quick fly-out from that brigade left to guard the Embassy if things go from horrific to worse in Iraq, there's no change here.

    Moore often gets it wrong, IMO*, although I respect his heart. Apparently he believed -- without researching it -- the MSM lies that the three leading Dem candidates had the same Iraq policies. because the answer to: will you guarantee no U.S. troops left in Iraq by 2012 was no, even though the Clinton and Edwards plans re: the duties and number of residual troops were hugely different.

    here's Clinton's  vision.

    (*no it's not because Canadians don't "fear" each other that they have all those guns without the high murder rate that we see here; it's because of several reasons, including the fact (and I did look it up once, though I don't have the cite now) that many of those guns are hunting rifles, not handguns, guns designed to kill animals, not people!, handguns have been licensed and registered in Canada since 1930)

  •  I'm leaning to Edwards now for the reasons (3+ / 0-)

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    enunciated by Moore, mostly, he seems to be the only one willing to take on the Dark Side.  Thinking you can sit at the table and talk rationally with them is like thinking you can do the same with Dick Cheney.  Very naive.

    We Changed The Course! Now we must hold their feet to the fire.

    by hcc in VA on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 08:26:54 AM PDT

  •  I'm sorry but for someoen to praise (1+ / 0-)

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    Edwards while criticizing Hillary on the War is a joke, Edwards was a much bigger supporter of this war, there is no getting around that fact. The point on Health Care is also misleading, the single payer aspect of it is the public option, which Hillary Clinton has in her plan in the same way that Edwards does (not sure about Obama).  Though I do understand and LIKE Edwards and his anti corporate message, I think this is misleading in more than one way...

    And noone is accusing him of being a concern troll with the whole "Is America REALLY ready to elect a black president?"  if I wrote that diary, I would have been TR'd to oblivion. Anyway, at this point its all about tomorrow night...

    P.S: Edwards is my second choice and I think he would be a good president, I just had to point out a couple of things i found to be baseless.

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