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Obama understands how to win back the "Reagan Democrats"

Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:10:02 PM PDT

Yesterday, I diaried Paul Krugman's column about Obama's comments appearing to praise Ronald Reagan for bringing a "sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing." Even though I am an Obama supporter, I am (like Krugman) concerned that rhetoric like this is not helpful because Reagan's core philosophy that low taxes on the rich solves all ills (carried to its illogical extreme by Bush) is exactly what our nominee will have to battle, both to win the Presidency and to govern successfully.

One commenter -- ericd1112 -- offered a response so strong, I thought it was worth posting as a separate diary. (He is traveling right now, so I know he does not have time to diary his thoughts himself.) He argues that to be able to change Reagan's legacy, we need to first win back the "Reagan Democrats" and the way to do this is not to scold them but to show them we understand their concerns. Only then, with their support, can we implement policies that will actually HELP these mostly lower- and middle-class voters who were so badly betrayed by Reagan's (and Bush's) policies.

ericd1112's post after the jump...

Those trees in your way are the forest, people.

In terms of national politics, Reagan did one HUGE thing that we still have not undone - he created the "Reagan Democrats." Obama knows the way to beat back Reagan is to hoist him - and Kristol, and Grover Norquist - on his/their own petard.

Of course - don't EVEN go there - Obama is appalled by the Reagan policy agenda. The reason they got it in was "Ronnie." The nice guy, grandfatherly guy with ageless black hair, who said such uplifting words, was the perfect antidote to Carter.

In 1980 Americans were exhausted and afraid. After Nixon, after "Whip Inflation Now" Ford, after Carter, we were depressed. Now Carter used something novel, Information-Based Decision-Making, I realize, which meant that the things he said had, you know, facts behind them.

But Carter had absolutely no feel for how to LEAD. Ronnie, shallow as he was, knew how to motivate people. In contrast to Carter, Reagan was all about, "No, no, don't feel bad about yourselves as Americans - feel GOOD about yourselves. Don't get bogged down with guilt about Vietnam, don't get disillusioned and turned off from politics by Watergate - ENGAGE the process, turn things around. We can do it. Shining city on the hill." Et cetera.

Was Carter right on the facts? Of course. Did dwelling on that, wallowing in it, help the country move forward, turn the page? Of course not.

We DESERVED to get our asses kicked by Reagan. We didn't offer a way out that would motivate people to change. The same crowd that spends too much quality time with the Sunday New York Times couldn't see that a President needs sometimes to look past such things, that a leader...leads.

Reagan said "We're going to go THIS way" and - because Carter, God love him, didn't articulate a clear and better alternative, he lost.

The way to beat Reagan, to kill Reaganism once and for all, is to do what he did - take back a huge swath of the electorate with a better, more compelling vision. The R's are all about "Oh, be afraid of Bin Laden - he might show up on your door tomorrow!" and notice they're already gearing up for a fake - read that again, a FAKE - recession (the weak dollar means record trade, and the Chinese and the OPEC states, flush with dollars, have to park them here; we'll be fine), so that traditional Republicans will stay with their roots.

Facts notwithstanding - like Bill Clinton's balanced budget leading to unbridled prosperity - many people still equate Republicans with fiscal responsibility. I KNOW that's absurd - but what too many progressives miss is that that doesn't matter to huge segments of voters.

We need to change the minds of an entire block of voters who SHOULD, in terms of policies, be voting with us anyway. Dean was right about this - line up our policies and we win ever time.

Obama is showing true brilliance, true leadership, both for the party and for America. He knows that the whole Reagan Democrats demo is out there, that he can bring them back home. But one thing he has to do is send a message that they're not evil people and that he doesn't hate them.

I know you may - but we're talking about the President of the United States, not the President of People Who Agree With Him. Or Her.

Which is central to why Krugman is wrong. HillBilly is all about vanquishing foes, of slash-and-burn, of tear-down politics. Obama is all about leading, of addition.

I am NOT saying that it would be OK, in that circumstance, for Sen. Obama to then embrace ANY of Ronnie's positions. Those trees in front of you? They're the forest, people. Obama is truly about uniting the country and you just can't get it done unless you make it OK for most Americans to buy into the vision. By saying, in effect, "Hey, I don't totally hate Reagan" (leaving off the part about well, I do pretty much hate everything he stood for) you make it OK for people to vote with us who would be fooled by this idea that somehow John McCain is a warm and fuzzy left-friendly Republican.

McCain is more Bush. McCain is keeping a Republican in charge of Interior, in charge of Court appointments, in charge of the EPA - and in charge of Defense.

Obama needs - we need - to keep our eye on that particular ball. We're about winning over hearts and minds, kids - and blowing up Obama because he didn't continuously look cross-eyed at Reagan and by implication all those Reagan D's who bought his crap because it was wrapped in an appealing package - will lead to nominating HillBilly (again) and to getting blown out just like McGovern did. 49 to 1.

See the trees, people, see the trees. Obama will be there for you on 90+% of what you want. And given the, ahem, diversity of this crowd, that's a damn high average.

The perfect is the enemy of the good. Obama is right to blunt hatred and he is way more than just good. The dude's got skills, and he can LEAD. Which is how we win.

Obama says, "We have to change our politics." He shrewdly doesn't finish that sentence. It's "We have to change our politics so that we can regain the attention of enough of the country long enough that those numbskulls realize they should have been voting with us all along."

Not a bumper sticker slogan - which is why he mantras just the first part.

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  •  Tips for ericd1112 (13+ / 0-)

    I realize he won't get the mojo, but when he has a chance to check in, I'm sure he'll appreciate seeing all the tips and recommends this diary receives.

    "We are the ones we have been waiting for" --Barack Obama reminding us we have to hold him accountable.

    by Jim in Chicago on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:11:20 PM PDT

  •  Thanks Jim, post your tip jar. Thanks again. (1+ / 0-)

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  •  "Reagan Democrats, its time to come home." (1+ / 0-)

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    For some reason, I can't really hear those words crossing Hillary's lips.

    "Cynicism is a sorry wisdom." - Barack Obama

    by BlueGenes on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:12:15 PM PDT

  •  Sunday in Columbia he said (7+ / 0-)

    "I want some Obama Republicans. Some Obamacans."

    More inspiring, some of our volunteers was some young white South Carolinians coming out and saying "I guess we're Obamacans." After two Obama terms, they'll most likely be Democrats

  •  But we don't want those voters (4+ / 0-)

    we don't want independents or disaffected republicans or Reagan democrats or ticket splitting democrats.

    Hillary is right, rely solely on monolithic democrats and DLC-TNR democrats!!!

    McCain: He's Constipated and Ready to GO

    by Al Rodgers on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:18:38 PM PDT

  •  Are there really any of them left? (1+ / 0-)

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    A lot of those "Reagan Democrats" have another term for themselves - Republicans. A large portion of today's voters (don't quote on this, but I think that it's roughly half) did not vote in either of the elections that he ran in. You can't really count them as being "Reagan Democrats" when they were either apathetic '80s teens, still in elementary school, or glimmers in their father's eye.
    Their parents and grandparents are the ones who put Reagan in office because they were tired of America being portrayed as a lumbering giant that lost its way. They wanted to believe in something higher than themselves. While Reagan was full of shit, he really was a great communicator. He didn't know how to actually lead, but he could give off the IMAGE of being one. The only person in recent decades to be a great communicator in both style and substance was Bill Clinton, but he was hobbled by Newt & Co.

    •  Maybe not the exact same people but (0+ / 0-)

      that demographic certainly still exists.

      These are voters who could go either way in the general election -- i.e., the ones we need to win in order to... win.

      Barack understands how to appeal to these people -- many of whom have already made up their mind about Hillary, and not in her favor (and I have trouble seeing how she could appeal even to those who haven't already closed their minds to her).

      "We are the ones we have been waiting for" --Barack Obama reminding us we have to hold him accountable.

      by Jim in Chicago on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:01:32 PM PDT

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    •  there are more than a few boomers (2+ / 0-)

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      - my parents among them - who loved JFK and RFK and MLK but who ended up republicans because of vietnam and the culture wars, and were moved by reagan's "optimism" about america. my mom at least is impressed about obama, not sure where my dad's coming from of late, except that he likes mccain and is disgusted with the rest of his party.

      this is not to agree with them - lord knows how many table pounding arguments i've had with them - but just to say that yeah, they're out there.

      surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

      by wu ming on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:10:03 PM PDT

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  •  Exactly. We don't win elections by Shutting the (4+ / 0-)

    doors; we win them by encouraging people to turn out (D). We already know how 80% of the country will vote in any given election; our job is to grab as much of the remaining 20% as we can.

    You can't do that with "inevitability".

    You need to bring people in, bring people together. That's not a fairytale--that's reality.

    a gallon of blood for a gallon of oil!

    by haruki on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:30:06 PM PDT

  •  Most of the "Reagan Democrats" (6+ / 0-)

    have already come back.

    The ones who haven't left, indeed, over race, religion and abortion.

    Obama isn't getting them back either.

    What are leaving the Republicans are independents and moderate Republicans.

    God it's so painful that something that's so close, is still so far out of reach. Tom Petty/Al Gore

    by Velvet Revolution on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:37:35 PM PDT

  •  You aren't paying attention (4+ / 0-)

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    The Reagan Democrats are ALREADY back in the party.   Democrats are killing Republicans in the polls.  

    Also, this?

    Carter used something novel, Information-Based Decision-Making, I realize, which meant that the things he said had, you know, facts behind them.

    But Carter had absolutely no feel for how to LEAD. Ronnie, shallow as he was, knew how to motivate people.

    That makes it sound like Obama is shallow, just as Reagan was.  In fact I do think Obama's a bit shallow.  He's far better than Reagan, just not as good as Clinton or Edwards.

    The problem with having a leader like the "great communicator" is that you might find that the smoke and mirrors obscure what goes on in the background.  I think the populace needs to become more interested in information-based decision-making rather than get motivated or inspired by rhetoric yet again.

    The Reagan way is a foolish and dangerous way.  At least Bill Clinton's way was policy-wonk way, which I prefer greatly.

  •  Kidding yourself (3+ / 0-)

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    Obama is going to use the race baiting, anti-poor and anti-working poor hate speech that Reagan used to regain "Reagan Democrats"?

    That's not going to happen. Period.

    Reagan used coded racist words to get blue-collar working and middle-income Democrats to vote for him then he pulled the rug out from under them.

    As for Barrak getting independents- ya they may vote for him in the primaries but in the general election when the Right paints Obama as a tax and spend liberal, etc. they will flee from him in droves. Independents are usually Republicans in disguise (outside the crusty environmentalist indies who will prob vote Green Party).

    •  They won't even have to get to the Tax and spend (0+ / 0-)

      They will Hammer him for using drugs, that may get him by in the primaries, but it will NEVER fly in a general

      and I am no one's supporter still at this time.  Obama will become fuel for a fire like you have never seen.

      there is NO fucking way *first time I ever put that word in Kos) that the right will NEVER allow the election of someone who used drugs.  NEVER NEVER NEVER

      If you think the right wing will accept that it was his youth?  Hell no.  You think they believe GWB did it?  Hell no.  but I can tell you it is already the major topic of discussion on Obama, drugs drugs drugs, he admits it, "do we want a criminal for president?"

      all this has done is to divide the democratic party, sufficiently so that one of their weak candidates now has the possibility of winning,..

      HORRAAAYY for whoever thought it was a good idea to split the party on racial lines like this, Good Job!

  •  He gave a good summary of this tonight (3+ / 0-)

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  •  an interesting argument (2+ / 0-)

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    my concern is that obama's using this rhetoric to pull in both disaffected republicans and hope-thirsty disaffected liberal democrats, but is going to use that momentum to divert us back into the failed neoliberal agenda of the 1990s, instead of letting us make a decisive break with that legacy and do something better.

    my concern is that the magic's being worked on us too, that we're being sold a false bill of goods.

    the reason why i say this is that i've had the rug pulled out from under me one too many times. if i had trust in obama, if he had a record long enough to justify trusting his team on this, i'd be convince dby this line of argument.

    but i'm not sure enough to make that leap. nor am i sure about edwards, although his rhetoric sounds a lot better when it comes to the economy. clinton, OTH, i know i can trust to be part of the problem.

    so i dither. i'm so fucking tired of the bait and switch.

    surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

    by wu ming on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:04:06 PM PDT

  •  I thought it was a bad move (2+ / 0-)

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    and he is now my #3 because of his invocation of Reagan. He may gain "Reagan Democrats" (I find it amazing that such a thing exists), but he will lose people like me.

    Here is part of a comment I posted a few days ago on another blog:

    No matter how you slice it, Obama's comments place Reagan in a positive light, and are entirely incorrect. Offering "vision, hope, and a strength of purpose" were what Reagan promised, but the exact opposite of what he delivered. It is because of this fact that I find it nothing short of incredible that Obama is propping up Reagan as a role model of sorts (please spare me the spin), when Reagan gave his candidacy speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi, the town where three civil rights activists were killed trying to encourage the black vote.  Trent Lott, racist Senator from Mississippi, encouraged Reagan to deliver his speech from there, and not missing a beat, Reagan began it by mentioning "state's rights", codespeak for Jim Crow. The event was later documented in the movie "Mississippi Burning".

    Reagan developed a special knack to say what he intended to do, then to do the exact opposite, much like our President today.  Under Reagan, Americans became poorer except the top layer of society, the environment suffered, and foreign relations took a nosedive. We also had Iran-Contra and the savings and loan meltdown.  We had the second largest debt in history, second only to Bush's.

    But thanks to the GOP's efforts, history has been rewritten to cast Reagan as some ideological messiah, a communication whiz.  Thanks to Obama, this inaccurate version of history is being futhered, when really Reagan was well known and lampooned to be an intellectual incompetent, and mocked by his own staffers for reading the funnies and Reader's Digest instead of the day's work. Watch old Saturday Night Live broadcasts to understand that the entire country knew what a bumpkin Reagan really was.

    Reagan was really an early version of Bush II.  He was an excellent figure-head who went along with the GOP plan, who read the teleprompters, gave good speeches thanks to Peggy Noonan, and passed laws that his ideological intimates told him to pass. I fail to see where he brought anyone together, much less deserves any praise whatsoever for his presidency. It's infuriating that our Democratic candidates (sans Edwards, God love him) who know the harm Reagan caused, exalt him because of a contrived popular perception furthered by the GOP! It's either naivete, or a craven political tactic. My guess is the latter rather than the former.

    "We, two, form a multitude." --Ovid

    by CanyonWren on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:08:54 PM PDT

    •  correction (1+ / 0-)

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      The event of the three activists' murders was documented in the movie, not Reagan's speech.

      "We, two, form a multitude." --Ovid

      by CanyonWren on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:14:15 PM PDT

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    •  And an article to underscore my point (1+ / 0-)

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      How could a progressive, much less an African American progressive, the first one to be a Presidential candidate no less, even think of invoking Ronald Reagan for any reason whatsoever? The irony of this, and on MLK Day, is rich.

      Here is a clip:

      Everybody watching the 1980 campaign knew what Reagan was signaling at the fair. Whites and blacks, Democrats and Republicans — they all knew. The news media knew. The race haters and the people appalled by racial hatred knew. And Reagan knew.

      He was tapping out the code. It was understood that when politicians started chirping about "states’ rights" to white people in places like Neshoba County they were saying that when it comes down to you and the blacks, we’re with you.

      And Reagan meant it. He was opposed to the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964, which was the same year that Goodman, Schwerner and Chaney were slaughtered. As president, he actually tried to weaken the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He opposed a national holiday for the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He tried to get rid of the federal ban on tax exemptions for private schools that practiced racial discrimination. And in 1988, he vetoed a bill to expand the reach of federal civil rights legislation.

      Congress overrode the veto.

      Reagan also vetoed the imposition of sanctions on the apartheid regime in South Africa. Congress overrode that veto, too.

      Throughout his career, Reagan was wrong, insensitive and mean-spirited on civil rights and other issues important to black people. There is no way for the scribes of today to clean up that dismal record.

      "We, two, form a multitude." --Ovid

      by CanyonWren on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:29:45 PM PDT

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  •  OH MY GOD, are we so delusional as to (2+ / 0-)

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    have actually accepted Regeanomics?  Even a modest piece of it?

    You are so wrong on your assessment of what the Economic policies of the Regan era were and are about it is frightening.

    You have some mix of propaganda, and sound bytes in this diary and accept it as true.

    the Economic Strategy of the Regan and Bush eras has NOTHING  to do with individuals.  

    It is a corporate strategy, the thought process is that if you increase profits, everyone benefits. The problem of the time was that we were in a recession, a Nixon Caused recession that Carter got blamed for.  And we had hit this wall, this financial wall, where revenue growth was no longer possible under the current conditions.

    so THEY CHANGED THE CONDITIONS.   the prosperity Hillary speaks of was the honeymoon period after the deregulation changes.  

    We are NOW THIS WEEK seeing the destruction of those changes, and this year is going to suck people

  •  Krugman is looking in the rear-view mirror (0+ / 0-)

    While Obama is looking to the future.  

    "To you, I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition." - Woody Allen

    by soros on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:30:09 PM PDT

  •  We need to win back the Reagan Democrats (1+ / 0-)

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    We did. The year was 1992.

    That is not what the election this year is about. The independents and moderate Republicans have left the R party in the last couple of years. If there are any more to win over, we are NOT going to win them over by minimizing the differences between ourselves and the Republicans and talking about unity and comity and bipartisanship and post-partisanship.

    They are pissed at what their party has become. We need to be positioning ourselves as an alternative to it, not an adjunct of it.

    We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

    by dconrad on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 11:12:08 PM PDT

  •  hit your head in mr peabodys wayback machine? (0+ / 0-)

    what you described is not closely correlated with historical fact.

    the reagan democrats were mostly working class and southeners who were pried away from the democratic party because of the fear they had for taxes (see california proposition 13), towards the affects of the cultural changes of the 1960's, the woman's movement (ERA), black empowerment and desegregation (southie boston), a dollar crunch caused by paul volker (at the FED) attempting to cut off at the kness inflation and its subsequent damage to the industrial base, and more important, the political standing down of the liberal wing of the democratic party during the '80 election with the loss of ted kennedy in the primaries. and to top it off the independent candidate john anderson had nearly 8% of the vote, capturing people who could fall within the penumbra of being called "reagan democrats."

    not a single one of these things can be thrown into reverse to such an extent that will produce a realign of the voting demographics and return these people back into the democratic fold.

    you are just pushing on a rope to believe so.

    "There are many truths of which the full meaning cannot be realized until personal experience has brought it home." John Stuart Mill

    by kuvasz on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 12:21:33 AM PDT

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