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Barack Obama and Foreign Policy (non Iraq)

Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 08:40:33 PM PDT

This diary is another in a series of diaries I am doing examing the policy positions and policy teams of the candidate I support in the Democratic primary, Senator Barack Obama.

Previous diaries examined Obama's policies on Technology and Health Care and the 50 State Strategy.

This diary takes a look at Barack Obama's foreign policy team through the lens of two of his core proposals not related to Iraq or the military: Cuba and foreign aid and how Obama embodies the concept of "soft power." I would also like to introduce the voice and insights of Obama advisor Samantha Power.

When I looked at Obama's Technology positions and Health Care proposals, key innovative figures took center stage.  In the case of technology, Stanford Law Professor Lawrence Lessig, and on Health Care, Harvard Economist David Cutler who stands at the center of a team of innovative and outside-the-box thinkers on domestic policy. When it comes to foreign policy that theme is expanded. As James Traub wrote, in his must-read, but mixed, review of Obama's foreign policy bona fides in his November 2007 piece in the New York Times magazine:

The great project of the foreign-policy world in the last few years has been to think through a "post-post-9/11 strategy," in the words of the Princeton Project on National Security, a study that brought together many of the foreign-policy thinkers of both parties. Such a strategy, the experts concluded, must, like "a Swiss Army knife," offer different tools for different situations, rather than only the sharp edge of a blade; must pay close attention to "how others may perceive us differently than we perceive ourselves, no matter how good our intentions"; must recognize that other nations may legitimately care more about their neighbors or their access to resources than about terrorism; and must be "grounded in hope, not fear." A post-post-9/11 strategy must harness the forces of globalization while honestly addressing the growing "perception of unfairness" around the world; must actively promote, not just democracy, but "a world of liberty under law"; and must renew multilateral instruments like the United Nations.

In mainstream foreign-policy circles, Barack Obama is seen as the true bearer of this vision. "There are maybe 200 people on the Democratic side who think about foreign policy for a living," as one such figure, himself unaffiliated with a campaign, estimates. "The vast majority have thrown in their lot with Obama." Hillary Clinton’s inner circle consists of the senior-most figures from her husband’s second term in office — the former secretary of state Madeleine Albright, the former national security adviser Sandy Berger and the former United Nations ambassador Richard Holbrooke. But drill down into one of Washington’s foreign-policy hives, whether the Carnegie Endowment or the Brookings Institution or Georgetown University, and you’re bound to hit Obama supporters. Most of them served in the Clinton administration, too, and thus might be expected to support Hillary Clinton. But many of these younger and generally more liberal figures have decamped to Obama. And they are ardent. As Ivo Daalder, a former National Security Council official under President Clinton who now heads up a team advising Obama on nonproliferation issues, puts it, "There’s a feeling that this is a guy who’s going to help us transform the way America deals with the world." Ex-Clintonites in Obama’s inner circle also include the president’s former lawyer, Greg Craig, and Richard Danzig, his Navy secretary.[Emphasis mine.]
-NYT

There's an ongoing theme here across the policy spectrum. Younger, more innovative, more cutting-edge policy analysts have flocked to the campaign of Senator Obama. That does not mean that his foreign policy team lacks gravitas. Heavyweights like Anthony Lake, Richard Clarke, Lawrence Korb, Gen. Tony McPeak and...Zbigniew Brzezinski can be counted among Senator Obama's advisors. But the operative name that writers have begun to pay attention to, is Senator Obama's work with foreign policy and human rights expert Samantha Power. (More articles: Berkeley Interview and this Commencement Address at Santa Clara University Law School) Samantha Power is, for those of us who've come of age in the era of Reagan and Bush and Clinton and Bush, one of us. She speaks with a moral clarity on human rights and foreign policy.  Here's a sample from the commencement speech linked above:

In politics this refusal to face inconvenient truths carries life-and-death stakes. And yet only after 3,000 American lives were lost on 9/11 did it become evident that FBI agents had warned of the danger that terrorists would hijack American planes and fly them into tall buildings. Only after more than 800 Americans died in New Orleans and tens of thousands of lives were ruined did we go back and read the stellar reporting in the Times-Picayune and see that people had been yelling and screaming about the vulnerability of the levees for years. And only after gas prices hit $3 did George Bush begin talking about freeing the United States of its oil dependence and speeding up the production of hybrid cars. We have known about our energy crisis since the OPEC crunch of the 1970s. Why are we only now, suddenly, talking about rushing to mass-produce hybrid cars?

Samuel Johnson was most certainly right when he said, "Nothing focuses the mind quite like a hanging." But we can't afford to wait until we stand at the gallows to change the way we govern our country and live our lives. As individuals, as citizens, we have the power to focus our government's mind, to get resources allocated, to save lives. We have the power to concentrate the powers of the American imagination. This power comes through politics. It is the rare politician who thinks more about the collective good than he does his or her individual fortune. I believe that Senator Obama is one who does. But politics is too important to be left to the politicians. It is up to the rest of us to demand that our representatives are attentive to the human consequences of their decision-making. And that means making ourselves heard. It means, according to Lesson Number Three, not turning our noses up at politics. It means using politics to trigger the imagination and to face inconvenient truths before a crisis strikes.

That could be the summary of the mindset that those of us under fifty understand cold. It's our preference. We must focus on a new pro-active approach to the "human consequences of decision-making"...we must use "politics to trigger the imagination and face inconvenient truths before a crisis strikes." Power, pulitzer-prize winning author of A Problem from Hell: American and the Age of Genocide is not one to leave the discussion in vague generalities most suited to a commencement address.  She knows what she's talking about first hand, here she is discussing the genocide in Darfur:

Is this someone you would like working in executive branch for you? I thought so.

Let's take a look at two key topics that offer a politics of distinction for the Obama campaign: Cuba and foreign aid.

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Cuba:

Barack Obama has taken a bold, fearless, innovative stance on Cuban policy. The United States should break down walls with Cuba and as a first step, we should ease travel to Cuba for Americans with relatives there and ease the transfer of funds between Americans and their Cuban relatives. (Herald Tribune.) This may seem like a minor policy difference, but it exemplifies Obama's ability to take a bold, new stance that actually makes whole lot of sense:

Now most Cubans in the U.S. can only visit the island once every three years and can only send quarterly remittances of up to $300 (€223) per household to immediate family members. Previously, they could visit once a year and send up to $3,000 (€2,226). The U.S. also tightened restrictions on travel for educational and religious groups. The Cuban-exile vote is considered key to winning Florida, and top presidential candidates have generally followed the recommendations of the community's most hard-line and vocal leaders, who support a full embargo against Fidel Castro's government. Castro, 80, is in poor health and turned over temporary power last year to his brother Raul.

But sentiment in the Cuban-American community is changing. Unlike the early waves of immigrants who brought their entire family, often by plane, to the U.S., most Cubans now flee by boat and are forced to leave relatives behind. Fewer of these immigrants were overt political opponents of the government, and they want to be able to visit loved ones and to send money home. Many Cuban exiles are also frustrated with the U.S. embargo, which has failed to yield fruit after nearly 45 years. And with the specter of an ailing Castro and a possible change in leadership, they are more open to changing U.S. policy.

Last week, the Miami-Dade Democratic Party came out against the restrictions. Obama will speak at a fundraiser for the chapter Saturday at the Miami-Dade Auditorium, the same Little Havana site where Ronald Reagan won over many in the Cuban-exile community more than two decades ago. Joe Garcia, the group's chairman, praised Obama's proposal.

-International Herald Tribune

Senator Clinton cannot take this bold stance. The very same "tried and true" approaches that her supporters claim she will bring to government and foreign policy happen to represent "tried and true" failures of conventional wisdom. Sure, there is a political risk in refusing to take a "hard line" Cuba stance that politicians on both sides of the aisle have taken for decades mainly out of consideration of their political fate in Florida. But, as Obama well knows, that stance hasn't worked. Obama is willing to say that. A new generation of Cuban-Americans are ready for something new. Barack Obama can give a fresh start to U.S. Cuba policy. Clinton can't and won't.

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Foreign Aid

There was a telling moment in the last Democratic debate. Senator Clinton absolutely refused to support Senator Obama's commitment to raise U.S. foreign aid by $25 Billion per year by 2012 and pointedly questioned how he would pay for it. (Obama's proposal to double our foreign aid to $50 Billion per year dwarfs, as it should, all private efforts. Bill Clinton's foundation, to just name one contrast, has raised a grand total of $500 million, much of it tied to the Clinton's own politics.)

Putting aside the fact that Obama would pay for this increase in foreign aid out of the windfall gained by winding down the war in Iraq, the contrast couldn't be clearer. Obama is committed to proactive foreign policy solutions. He fights conservatism on the right fronts to fight. He spells this out:

"I know that many Americans are skeptical about the value of foreign aid," Mr. Obama said then. But he added, "A relatively small investment in these fragile states up front can be one of the most effective ways to prevent the terror and strife that is far more costly, both in lives and treasure, down the road."

-NYT

This position has found wide-spread support both on the blogs and in policy circles. Why? Because, for those of us in Democratic politics tired of the "same old" answers based on the fear of conservative backlash, an increase in foreign aid is a sane investment that sends the right message about America. We are committed to an America that uses our resources and strength on the front end of problems. We are active in seeking to build the American reputation in the world day in and day out and not simply as a response to a crisis. We seek partners, not enemies.

This simple commitment, more than anything, represents a true Democratic "post 9/11" foreign policy: engagement, the projection of power through the building of allies. Not only will Seantor Clinton not commit to doing this, but she attacks Barack Obama on his foreign aid proposals through a GOP lens; she raises the specter of "profligate spending."

The money Senator Obama is talking about spending will go to make every American more safe. Those of us not blinded by the "old ways" of partisan politics know this to our bones. Compared to Iraq, $25 Billion additional per year on foreign aid is cheap. It's proactive. It's the right thing to do and sends the right message about America.

I can think of no greater contrast that spells a clearer difference between Clinton and Obama than this one.

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Soft Power

Per the James Traub piece I linked above, "Joseph Nye, the Harvard professor who popularized the term "soft power" to describe the capacity to gain support through attraction rather than force" states:

A President Obama would do more for America’s soft power around the world than anything else we could do.

Nye, it should be noted (another member of the "fear of Iran" camp), does not support Barack Obama; but, in my mind, that's an even more powerful statement given that reality. Clinton, with Madame Albright and Sandy Berger and General Clark and Richard Holbrooke at her side will not send a new message to the world. Not even close. Isn't that something to think about?

What Nye is saying is that electing Barack Obama President and sending him around the world on Air Force One would fundamentally reconfigure the possibilities of American Foreign Policy. (For an example, look at what Barack Obama accomplished with this one gesture regarding HIV Testing in Kenya.) The question isn't even what Clinton could do if she chose. The stark question facing American voters is to realize all that Clinton simply won't do.

There's a reason that innovative, liberal foreign policy experts are flocking to Obama and would form, if Obama is elected, a new wave of policy experts in the manner of the administrations of Roosevelt or Kennedy: that is because Barack Obama represents the coincidence of the fresh possibilities (embodied in his identity and history and perspective) with fresh approaches (embodied in his willingness to push for innovation and pathbreaking ideas.)

Clinton simply can't and won't embrace bold approaches to anything. Clinton is a foreign policy hawk who cannot and will not embody a fresh approach to the use of American military or diplomatic power. There is nothing that embodies this more than her vote for the Lieberman/Kyl amendment.

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the crux of the matter

At the crux then, are some core questions that imply a great deal about a broader and essential contrast in foreign policy philosophies of the two leading Democratic contenders.

Do you think America has more to fear from sticking with the same tired Cuba policy...or from embracing a new approach?

Do you think America has more to fear from Iran...or from the risks of investing too little in reaching out the rest of the world with foreign aid and the promise of a new relationship with the United States as a global partner?

When supporters talk of the "sure hand" of Clinton foreign policy they mean the exact same team that gave us American foreign policy in the 90s. (Iraq, Sudan, Rwanda, Bosnia) Think about that and then consider those no-bullshit, very focused words that Samantha Power had about Darfur and human rights in general.

Is 2008 a year of fear? Is now a time to go backwards in search of a sense of security from the 1990s that we discovered never existed?

Why is Hillary Clinton attacking Obama's proposal to spend more on foreign aid? Doesn't that get to the very core of a policy difference? And why are young, innovative thinkers going with Obama? The two things are, in my view, essentially linked.

Finally, why haven't all those folks talking and debating and rehashing the same old ideas during the Democratic primaries all over the blogosphere shown us more of the voice of this eminently sensible and persuasive woman?

From the 2nd clip above:

A lot of people are saying, "Obama, I think he'd be a great president, but why does he have to be president now? He's a fine young man, he'll make a great president someday." And my point is we don't have...we cannot afford to lose, the Democrats cannot afford to lose in November 2008 and we cannot afford to wait eight years to deal with restoring America's reputation in the world, to deal with getting out of Iraq, to deal with 46 million uninsured, to deal with melting ice caps.

We need somebody to pull the country together to face these challenges. These challenges are monumental.

-Samantha Power, Charlie Rose Interview

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  •  Samantha Power (128+ / 0-)

    with Lawrence Lessig and David Cutler, another brilliant mind associated with the candidacy of Barack Obama.

    Check her out.

      •  Don't forget Seymour Hersh (47+ / 0-)

        Seymour Hersh is one of the best investigative reporters in the country.  He understands Middle East politics, and he recently said Barack is our "only hope".

        Barack Obama represents "the only hope for the US in the Muslim world," according to Pulitzer-prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh. Because Obama's father was a Muslim, he "could lead a reconciliation between the Muslim countries and the US." With any of the other candidates as president, Hersh said, "we're facing two or three decades of problems in the Mideast, with 1.2 billion Muslims."

        •  Also Zbigniew Brzezinski... (21+ / 0-)

          ...who officially has the hardest name to spell correctly of any Obama endorser.

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          by mistersite on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:04:46 PM PDT

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          •  oh. k/o didn't forget Zbigniew Brzezinski. (8+ / 0-)

            my bad.

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            by mistersite on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:05:17 PM PDT

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          •  And a hot daughter! ;) (5+ / 0-)

            John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.

            by recusancy on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:13:24 PM PDT

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          •  how could one forget zbig? (7+ / 0-)

            he who first armed the afghan mujaheddin, and began the afghan war?

            surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

            by wu ming on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:20:59 PM PDT

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            •  Which drew in the USSR and helped (2+ / 0-)

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              end the cold war, or so I was told.

              Sic transit gloria mundi - ancient Roman proverb

              by kovie on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:52:43 PM PDT

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              •  and gave rise to al-qaeda, the taliban (4+ / 0-)

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                zia ul-haq and pakistan's coup-happy islamic radical military officer corps, and the current existential threat du jour that justifies our global chain of gulags and military bases, after the cold war ground to a halt and robbed the empire of its raison d'etre.

                convenient, that.

                surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

                by wu ming on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:59:38 PM PDT

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                •  Well, Reagan and Bush I (6+ / 0-)

                  has something to do with all that. Pub presidents have a nasty habit of either starting new wars that need not be started, or mismanaging existing ones that end up blowing up in our and others' faces years later. Had we stayed in Afghanistan and helped to rebuild it after the Soviets left, and not been so gung ho about arming Pakistan as a counter to India and others, all of this might have been avoided.

                  I'm originally from Israel and I see what a disaster our unconditional support of it and its policies has been--for Israelis as well as for Palestinians and others in the region. I think that foreign policy can be used for good as much as for ill, without endangering, and arguably strenghtening, our security and interests. But it takes smart, disciplined, tough and decent people to do that, qualities sorely lacking in US leadership lately--on both sides of the aisle, of course. I'm hoping that Obama can start repairing all this damage to all these countries and peoples--and to us as well.

                  The last time I felt truly hopeful about US foreign policy and the prospects for peace and stability in the mideast was under Carter. Maybe, just maybe, Obama can bring that back--and make it work this time around. I see no one else being even close to being able to do that right now. I guess I've bought in to that whole "hope" thing.

                  Incidentally, considering that he's promised to consider bringing in Republicans into his administration, what do you think of Chuck Hagel, at Defense, State, the UN or VA? On domestic policy Hagel and I are mostly 180 apart. But on FP I've liked some of the things that I've heard from him, especially his vocal opposition to the war.

                  Sic transit gloria mundi - ancient Roman proverb

                  by kovie on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:30:25 PM PDT

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                  •  it has been a bipartisan empire, true (3+ / 0-)

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                    and you certainly won't find any praise from me for nearly anything that reagan or either bush admin foreign policy ever did.

                    i think foreign policy could be used for great things, it's just that it often isn't. i'm beginning to lean towards the position that the power of this country distorts any policy enough that perhaps idealism is always a losing game in practice. as an idealist and human rights proponent by heart, it pains me to lean this way, but the more i learn abut our actions in past and present, the greater my skepticism becomes.

                    i wouldn't put hagel or any republican in the cabinet a generation ago, sure, but the northwestern/midwestern liberal republicans are an extinct species) . granted, i would have a hard time with most of the democratic big names for cabinets as well, i think that one of the greatest weaknesses of the left in american politics is its being utterly shut out of the advisor corps, so that even when we get someone mouthing our rhetoric on the stump (a rare enough occasion), by the time they get into DC, they've been briefed to the point of "fixing" any left tendencies that they might have had.

                    that being said, i would hope obama works with hagel et al to get this war ended ASAP. i'm not averse to bipartisanship, if the goals and policies are humane and coming from the left in spirit as well as name.

                    surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

                    by wu ming on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:08:47 PM PDT

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                    •  Well, you know about the path of good intentions (0+ / 0-)

                      and all, and power certainly does distort everything in its vicinity--including, most of all, those who possess it. Who knows, with some good moral guidance and a real friend or two, Cheney might have turned out a semi-decent chap. But while things go obviously go wrong in so many different ways under Obama, this could also be said of any of the others, and then some (most especially on the other side). And since one of these gambles will have to be president, I'm going with the one who seems like the "safest" bet--bet being the operative word here. It would certainly be a refreshing change.

                      Sic transit gloria mundi - ancient Roman proverb

                      by kovie on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:18:24 PM PDT

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                      •  that's about the size of it (2+ / 0-)

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                        luckily, i still have 10 or 11 days to muddle between edwards and obama before i have to make a bet. no sense in rushing these things, eh?

                        surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

                        by wu ming on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:20:17 PM PDT

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                        •  I have just over 14 (0+ / 0-)

                          The WA caucuses are on the Sat after Super Tuesday. But unlike you I'll have to actually explain my vote. Ech. If Obama doesn't take a meaningful role in the FISA battle, I'll lose a lot of respect for him. As they say, talk is cheap...

                          Sic transit gloria mundi - ancient Roman proverb

                          by kovie on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:24:37 PM PDT

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                      •  Nonsense (4+ / 0-)

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                        This is not about "good intentions," unless we define that term so broadly as to include the beliefs of the current set of democracy-spreaders in the White House.

                        Read Chalmers Johnson or Richard Rhodes on Zbig, Carter and the escalation of the Cold War.  This was a clusterfuck from the start.  It created the massive blowback that we experienced on 9/11 (and before and since, in fact), and it further entrenched the power of our military-industrial complex at whose alter all the leading presidential candidates from both major parties worship.

                        The fact that Obama's team is a little less delusional than the crowd currently running our foreign policy is cold comfort. The very same people who are advising Obama laid the groundwork for the world we live in today...and for Dubya's foreign policy.    

                        This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

                        by GreenSooner on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 01:43:16 AM PDT

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                        •  Samantha Powers and Richard Clarke (0+ / 0-)

                          Started the Afghanistan war and screwed up the post-Cold War world?

                          Zbig is not a major Obama advisor as far as I know, just a supporter. Has he been whispering things in his ear? And AFAIK, his advice might have started the Afghanistan war, but it was Reagan, Bush I and their advisors (e.g. Cheney, Powell, Casey, C. Rice, McFarland, Weinberger, Scowcroft etc.) who screwed it and its aftermath up and led to the rise of AQ and 9/11. Their policies also helped Saddam, Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas become the problems that they became. It was all their doing. So I am not persuaded that Carter & Co. were responsible for most of this. Last time I checked he and another Democratic president with a last name starting with "C" were the only US presidents to broker major regional peace treaties since, oh, ever.

                          Sic transit gloria mundi - ancient Roman proverb

                          by kovie on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:53:31 AM PDT

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                    •  It's taken a hundred years... (1+ / 0-)

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                      to build this empire and I doubt that it's going away in the next 4 or 8 years no matter who gets elected.

          •  Well, that's an endorsement as far as.... (0+ / 0-)

            you like hardcore realist foreign policy. Not that I disagree with it, but it cements Obama's position on the right wing of the Democratic Party.

            BTW, it's easy to spell if you can pronounce the r' (or rz) sound.

            •  You've got that right ... (2+ / 0-)

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              Here's how Allan Nairn described Obama's foreign policy team on Democracy Now!

              AMY GOODMAN: Barack Obama?

              ALLAN NAIRN: Well, Obama's top adviser is Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski gave an interview to the French press a number of years ago where he boasted about the fact that it was he who created the whole Afghan jihadi movement, the movement that produced Osama bin Laden. And he was asked by the interviewer, "Well, don't you think this might have had some bad consequences?" And Brzezinski replied, "Absolutely not. It was definitely worth it, because we were going after the Soviets. We were getting the Soviets." Another top Obama person-

              AMY GOODMAN: I think his comment actually was, "What's a few riled-up Muslims?" And this, that whole idea of blowback, the idea of arming, financing, training the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, including Osama bin Laden, and then when they're done with the Soviets, they set their sights, well, on the United States.

              ALLAN NAIRN: Right. And later, during Bill Clinton's administration, during the Bosnia killing, the US actually flew some of the Afghan Mujahideen, the early al-Qaeda people-the US actually arranged for them to be flown from there to Bosnia to fight on the Muslim/NATO side.

              Another key Obama adviser, Anthony Lake, he was the main force behind the US invasion of Haiti in the mid-Clinton years during which they brought back Aristide essentially in political chains, pledged to support a World Bank/IMF overhaul of the economy, which resulted in an increase in malnutrition deaths among Haitians and set the stage for the current ongoing political disaster in Haiti.

              Another Obama adviser, General Merrill McPeak, an Air Force man, who not long after the Dili massacre in East Timor in '91 that you and I survived, he was-I happened to see on Indonesian TV shortly after that-there was General McPeak overseeing the delivery to Indonesia of US fighter planes.

              Another key Obama adviser, Dennis Ross. Ross, for many years under both Clinton and Bush 2, a key-he has advised Clinton and both Bushes. He oversaw US policy toward Israel/Palestine. He pushed the principle that the legal rights of the Palestinians, the rights recognized under international law, must be subordinated to the needs of the Israeli government-in other words, their desires, their desires to expand to do whatever they want in the Occupied Territories. And Ross was one of the people who, interestingly, led the political assault on former Democratic President Jimmy Carter. Carter, no peacenik-I mean, Carter is the one who bears ultimate responsibility for that Timor terror that Holbrooke was involved in. But Ross led an assault on him, because, regarding Palestine, Carter was so bold as to agree with Bishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa that what Israel was doing in the Occupied Territories was tantamount to apartheid. And so, Ross was one of those who fiercely attacked him.

              Another Obama adviser, Sarah Sewall, who heads a human rights center at Harvard and is a former Defense official, she wrote the introduction to General Petraeus's Marine Corps/Army counterinsurgency handbook, the handbook that is now being used worldwide by US troops in various killing operations. That's the Obama team.

              Obama shows signs of being every bit as hawkish as Hillary. He also has 47 advisors from the former Clinton administration (which is weird considering that he thinks that the GOP was the party of ideas during the Clinton administration). It was also his great proposalthat we should attack Western Pakistan WITHOUT notifying Musharraf should we ever get any actionable intelligence about Osama bin Ladin's whereabouts.

              I don't think America is really going to significantly change its foreign policy or lessen the grip of the military industrial complex on its foreign policy any time soon.

              •  Having it all ways (2+ / 0-)

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                you snark on Obama with a disingenuous and distorting crack about "the party of ideas" and then selectively quote Democracy NOW as if Alan Nairn were opposed to Obama's advisors alone!

                Shorter version: let's ignore the actual content of this diary and elect Clinton because then we KNOW we are getting a hawk who will change US foreign policy not a whit.

                Btw, I welcome the quote from Nairn however, just not how it's being used in such a reductive and one-sided manner. (I used to hang out with Nairn in my NYC days which is neither here nor there, but simply to say I respect him.) The point is, Obama would not be a viable candidate AT ALL if he had a foreign policy team composed solely of experts acceptable to Democracy NOW. We all know that.

                Obama brings with him old hands deserving of Nairn's criticisms AND a tremendous wealth of new thinkers and innovators like Power, that's a choice facing the Democratic Party, and, as fas I know, nobody in the netroots has really been talking about that difference. We should be.

                •  I also incuded a link to (0+ / 0-)

                  the rest of Nairn's analysis, which includes hos critique of Clinton as well. Actually, I might prefer to see Obama nominated than Clinton, although not by much--I'm voting for Edwards in any case. I just threw the line in because I'm so damn sick of this b.s. about how much Obama's been slimed by Clinton when the sliming has most definitely gone in both directions.

                  As to Powers, I'm not terribly impressed (btw, you do know that Obama also has two of Clinton's top Ruwanda advisors as well as Powers on his team? I could find the link for you if you need). Anyway, back to Powers, I agree with the following analysis of Powers, from a prescient book review of her 2002 book:

                  This rather earnest book covers US policy in response to some acts of genocide in the 20th century. It starts with Henry Morgenthal, Sr. and his attempt to alert the American public to the Ottoman massacre of the Armenians and continues on to US policy in Rwanda, Iraq and Kosovo.

                  This is primarily a book for people who believe that, in general, United States foreign policy is just: it's the other countries that commit genocide. While Powers does mention that the United States has occasionally aided the perpetuators of genocide, she only delves into areas where common opinion places the US on the side of the angels. She discusses Cambodia, but doesn't say much about the US war in Vietnam; she says a lot about the Iraqi violence against the Kurds, but nothing about the (US supported) Turkish war against the Kurds. Likewise there is literally nothing about US-sponsored actions in Central and South America; Kissinger's tacit approval of Indonesia's invasion of East Timor; or US support of Israeli violence against the Palestinians.

                  This is the kind of book that gets the author a reputation as a 'stern critic' of US policy while at the same time does nothing to prevent the same author from getting a prominent foreign policy position in the future. It's not surprising that this book has been well promoted on Book TV and public television, but for the whole truth about genocide and its causes, go elsewhere.

                  By the way, Stephen Holmes has a good review of this book in the November 2002 "London Review of Books." He writes about the problems of focusing on genocide (what should be done if an ethnic group commits mass murder against its own members?) and Power's impatience with multilateralism and legalism.

                  •  P.S. (0+ / 0-)

                    I know that her name is Power, not Powers--just one of many typos, as per my custom.

                  •  what is niave/earnest in 2008? (1+ / 0-)

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                    This series of diaries is making an explicit intervention in how can we understand our role as citizens, progressives, activists on Daily Kos in the primary season. Can we write diaries that put forward the positive vision of the candidate we support in the primary? Clearly, the most meaningful or effective response to this diary is to highlight an alternative vision/position/politics on the issue by another candidate. Anything else is not really a meaningful response at the end of the day. It's child's play to come in and rip the diary from the far left. (By this I don't mean to stigmatize the far left position but rather point out that what would be meaningful would be, rather than a far-left critique of Obama, a complete picture of far-left advocacy for Edwards as an agent of change on foreign policy at this particular point in time  -- an unusually deliberative moment for the citizens who constitute the Democratic Party and who will most likely be choosing the nominee between now and February 5). What bothers me is the degree to which you don't seem concerned by the contradiction between, on the one hand, the hyper-awareness that lies underneath a Nairn-like critique of political reality, and the blitheness (or "earnestness" to use the word in the anonymous Power review from amazon) behind this comment: "Actually, I might prefer to see Obama nominated than Clinton, although not by much--I'm voting for Edwards in any case."

                    "We have found the weapons of mass destruction" -- George Bush, May 30, 2003

                    by awol on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:22:56 AM PDT

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                    •  Frankly I disagree ... (0+ / 0-)

                      Clearly, the most meaningful or effective response to this diary is to highlight an alternative vision/position/politics on the issue by another candidate. Anything else is not really a meaningful response at the end of the day.

                      I simply have to disagree here. I could highlight Edwards' imperfect but better better foreign policy. One of those differences was highlighted in the Las Vegas debate.

                      OBAMA: No, no. I think this is important because it was reported as if we were suggesting that we would continue the war until 2013. Your question was, could I guarantee all troops would be out of Iraq. I have been very specific in saying that we will not have permanent bases there. I will end the war as we understand it in combat missions.

                      But that we are going to have to protect our embassy. We're going to have to protect our civilians. We're engaged in humanitarian activity there. We are going to have to have some presence that allows us to strike if Al Qaida is creating bases inside of Iraq.

                      So I cannot guarantee that we're not going to have a strategic interest that I have to carry out as commander-in-chief to maintain some troop presence there, but it is not going to be engaged in a war and it will not be this sort of permanent bases and permanent military occupation that George Bush seems to be intent on.

                      ....

                      EDWARDS: My answer to that is, as long as you keep combat troops in Iraq, you continue the occupation. If you keep military bases in Iraq, you're continuing the occupation. The occupation must end. As respects Al Qaida, public enemy number one, they're responsible for about 10 percent of the violence inside Iraq according to the reports.

                      I would keep a quick reaction force in Kuwait in case it became necessary, but that is different, Barack, than keeping troops stationed inside.

                      OBAMA: John...

                      EDWARDS: Excuse -- let me finish, please.

                      OBAMA: I'm sorry.

                      EDWARDS: That is different than keeping troops stationed inside Iraq, because keeping troops stationed inside Iraq -- combat troops -- and continuing combat missions, whether it's against Al Qaida or anyone else, at least from my perspective, is a continuation of the occupation. And I think a continuation of the occupation continues the problem, not just in reality, but in perception that America's occupying the country.

                      OBAMA: Let me suggest, I think there's a distinction without a difference here.

                      I happen to think that was distinction with a difference, but whatever. As you and I both know, at the end of the day, Edwards is not going to be the nominee. So I do think there is a value in maintaining a critical perspective on Obama's foreign policy.

                      What bothers me is the degree to which you don't seem concerned by the contradiction between, on the one hand, the hyper-awareness that lies underneath a Nairn-like critique of political reality, and the blitheness (or "earnestness" to use the word in the anonymous Power review from amazon) behind this comment: "Actually, I might prefer to see Obama nominated than Clinton, although not by much--I'm voting for Edwards in any case."

                      Now here's where you lost me. Since when does earnestness = blitheness? I could never polemicize the way K.O. does because I'm not that starry-eyed by nature. I'm voting for Edwards mostly because I like his domestic policies, but also because because, like Barbara Ehrenreich and Norm Solomon, I find Edwards the best of the three main alternatives, or as Solomonput it, "the most improved presidential candidate."

                      •  as you and I both know (1+ / 0-)

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                        I'm glad you agree that "Edwards is not going to be the nominee." But it seems to me that the logic of voting for A who is not going to win while acknowledging that there is a choice between C and B is not a politically thoughtful action at this point in time. (The obvious template for this is voting for Nader in 2000, knowing that the choice was really between Bush and Gore and feeling that, while Gore would be preferable, the difference was too slight to be worth participating in. This led, of course, to mass death in Iraq. As you probably know, Barbara Ehrenreich was perhaps the most politically active and prominent person to vote for Nader in Florida, a pretty remarkable and I think painful position for a distinguished person like her to be in). It seems to me that you're washing your hands of the choice between Clinton and Obama, which is to say letting other people decide. The choice has to be made -- the question for each of us is, do we participate in this choice or leave it only for other people to grapple with its complexity. You'll vote for Edwards, aware that he won't win and aware that somewhere, by somebody else, the choice is going to have to be made between the two people who could still be the nominee. You can also write-in Edwards if you choose to in the general election and not participate in what will certainly be an imperfect choice between two candidates then as well.

                        "We have found the weapons of mass destruction" -- George Bush, May 30, 2003

                        by awol on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:36:51 AM PDT

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                        •  But why should I vote for Obama (0+ / 0-)

                          rather than Clinton based on his foreign policy? Because of Samantha Power? Because he did not vote at all on Kyl-Lieberman? Because he made one anti-AUMF speech (which he probably needed to do politically, in order to shore up his support among a strongly anti-war constituency in advance of his US Senate primary run)? Frankly I would rather vote for a candidate who's owned up to foreign policy mistakes in the past--to me Obama sounds dangerously naive and cocky at times when it comes to foreign policy (as in his Waziristan statement).

                          It seems to me that you're washing your hands of the choice between Clinton and Obama, which is to say letting other people decide. The choice has to be made -- the question for each of us is, do we participate in this choice or leave it only for other people to grapple with its complexity.

                          Now you're really starting to piss me off--I'm voting for Edwards because I want his to have more of a voice in guiding the policy of whoever gets the nomination. I'd much rather listen to MLK III than you on this "grappling with complexity" business.

                          You can also write-in Edwards if you choose to in the general election and not participate in what will certainly be an imperfect choice between two candidates then as well..

                          Who the fuck cares who I vote for in the GE? I live in a bluer-than-thou state, so my vote there will matter not one whit. (I'm sure I'll vote for the Democratic candidate, but it hardly matters). This obsession with making sure that everyone always votes for the LOTE candidate, that somehow this is will create the changes we want to see in this country, has grown a bit stale for me. I probably don't belong on this site anymore given my growing antipathy to that kind of thinking. I stupidly wrote a GBCW diary on January 1, but I broke my new Years' resolution after the Vegas primary (I need to join some sort of 12-step program for recovering Kosaholics). Wish me better luck next

                          •  lesser of two evils (1+ / 0-)

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                            Shorter version of this comment: just the first four words of the last paragraph -- "who the fuck cares".

                            It's very easy to come into almost any thread on daily kos, or any political discussion by individuals in almost any context, and simply say "who the fuck cares". It's puerile and stupid -- I do "care" about who you vote for in the primary and the general election, in the basic sense that I'm contributing to the political discussion on daily kos.

                            You take for granted the way that daily kos exists -- that it was made by other people and developed by other people -- and then you, as simply an isolated individual can either leave or come into this structure. As though the "structure" weren't only countless other individuals collectively contributing.

                            You're "pissed off" that I responded to and criticized your comment -- but your comment was itself merely a response to and criticism of someone who pro-actively decided to write something new, to jump into a debate on the public sphere. And then, with just a little bit of pressure and criticism, you start saying "fuck" and "who cares"? It seems particularly bizarre to me that you'd freely use your time to jump onto a thread, criticize the political position of the poster, and then feel that it's inappropriate that anyone would question, or even 'care' about, your position.

                            "We have found the weapons of mass destruction" -- George Bush, May 30, 2003

                            by awol on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 10:26:51 AM PDT

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                            •  I stated my position ... (0+ / 0-)

                              What is not clear about my position?

                              Shorter version of this comment: just the first four words of the last paragraph -- "who the fuck cares".

                              Thanks for your your incisive shortening of my comment! First you shorten what I have to say, and then you attack me based on your abbreviated version of what I have to say.

                              And then, with just a little bit of pressure and criticism, you start saying "fuck" and "who cares"? It seems particularly bizarre to me that you'd freely use your time to jump onto a thread, criticize the political position of the poster, and then feel that it's inappropriate that anyone would question, or even 'care' about, your position.

                              I'm sorry that my language offended your sensibility. I thought I stated my position clearly. And even though you want to edit what I said, I never said who the fuck cares about my position. I specifically said:

                              Who the fuck cares who I vote for in the GE? I live in a bluer-than-thou state, so my vote there will matter not one whit. (I'm sure I'll vote for the Democratic candidate, but it hardly matters). This obsession with making sure that everyone always votes for the LOTE candidate, that somehow this is will create the changes we want to see in this country, has grown a bit stale for me.

                              And about being "pissed" off, I was pretty clear about what you said that pissed my off. I won't bother to repeat that again as well, but perhaps, just perhaps, you should try to read my comments more closely. I did bother to type them and all.

                              You take for granted the way that daily kos exists -- that it was made by other people and developed by other people -- and then you, as simply an isolated individual can either leave or come into this structure. As though the "structure" weren't only countless other individuals collectively contributing.

                              Of course I know that what this community, in which I've participated for well over 4 years, is composed of. Does that mean that I can't leave? Don't you think that I should given my apparently inappopriate response to "someone who pro-actively decided to write something new, to jump into a debate on the public sphere"?

                              •  No (0+ / 0-)

                                I don't think you should leave, I just think you should try to write more thoughtfully.

                                "We have found the weapons of mass destruction" -- George Bush, May 30, 2003

                                by awol on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 10:48:46 AM PDT

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                                •  I wish we all ... (0+ / 0-)

                                  would try to write more thoughtfully, but that doesn't appear likely to happen. Somehow you get to call me "stupid and puerile" and then either ignore or distort everything I have to say. And that, I suppose, is considered an example of appropriate commentary on dKos.

                                  Whatever. When critical comments are considered thoughtless and inappropriate, I know that I'm participating in the wrong community.  

                  •  More on Samantha Power (0+ / 0-)

                    from the London Review of Book book review mentioned above. I highly recommend you read the entire review here. I'll just quote a small part of it:

                    But the most eye-catching feature of ‘A Problem from Hell’ is Power’s palpable frustration with multilateralism and legalism. An important clue to this aspect of her thinking is the approval with which she cites Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, two unilateralist hawks associated with the current Bush Administration. During the 1990s, they both urged US military intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo outside the framework of the UN and contrary to its Charter. Power thinks they were perfectly right. The Rwanda debacle was partly a result of UN dithering and incoherence. ... Formulated more pungently, acting decisively sometimes requires a great power to extricate itself from the hopeless mishmash of multilateralism.

                    ....

                    [T]he proponents of humanitarian intervention, in the 1990s, were among multilateralism’s least forgiving critics. Power writes in this spirit. Clinton embraced ‘consultation’, she tells us, whenever his Administration lacked a clear policy of its own. In that sense, too, multilateralism is a sign of weakness. When it comes to atrocities, she implies, the US should simply have told its allies what it was going to do....

                    Deference to public opinion is equally inappropriate, Power continues, especially when the electorate is self-absorbed, parochial and fixated on body-bags. One wonders if her lack of sympathy with the widely reported public aversion to military casualties might have anything to do with the infrequent human contact between human rights activists and the families of the grunts who would be asked to die to uphold vaguely worded international laws....

                    ....  Formulated differently, the 1990s advocates of humanitarian intervention have unintentionally bequeathed a risky legacy to George W. Bush. They have helped rescue from the ashes of Vietnam the ideal of America as a global policeman, undaunted by other countries’ borders, defending civilisation against the forces of ‘evil’.

                •  Hey K.O. (0+ / 0-)

                  Can you tell me what is distorting about my crack on Obama's "the party of ideas" statement. I ask because I really don't get it--as I noted in a comment yesterday, this is one part of the "Clinton sleaze machine" controversy that confuses me most. I actually had to agree with the Bill Clinton on this one.

                  When you say Obama says "the Republicans were the party of ideas," most people will infer that you think that the Republicans had better ideas than the Democrats. And the qualifier "in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom" only underscores that notion that the Republicans were thinking outside the box while the Democrats were mired in stale and unoriginal thinking.

                  Now imagine you were Bill Clinton (I know it's hard to put yourself in his shoes, but try). You're Bill Clinton, you're a smart guy, and so you do the math. "Hmm--Obama just said that the Republicans have been the 'party of ideas' for about 15 years--hey wait a second--that means the Republicans became the 'party of ideas' the moment I took office!"

                  If I were Clinton I'd be pissed as hell, and so he was. I don't think there was anything unfair about what he said in response--Obama lobbed an insult squarely at his administration, and he spoke out against that. That's because he--unlike Robert Reich--is good at math.

                  •  Oops! (0+ / 0-)

                    When you say Obama says ....

                    Yet another reason for me to no longer participate on dKos. My typing dyslexia has only grown worse.

                  •  "party of ideas" (0+ / 0-)

                    is a phrase people use in DC and in political circles to talk about political momentum, about the party making its case with the voters for their ideas, the one winning elections.

                    Clinton twisted that to say to the national press and public: "Obama said the GOP had all the good ideas."

                    And then a bunch of bloggers who should (you hope) know better continued to pile on.

                    What Obama said is mundane. You should be able to say the GOP won some elections in the last three decades, because, uh, it's true.

                    Mark Schmitt wrote eloquently about this atTAPPED:

                    When I say something like, "the Republicans (or conservatives) have been the party of ideas in recent years," which I probably have said, what I mean by it is not that they have good ideas, or new ideas, but that since about 1978 or so, and especially under Reagan, they organized their approach to politics around ideas: big concepts, ambitious goals, principles, a real public philosophy. Liberals and Democrats, on the other hand, often spoke in a language of government programs, as if the name and material benefits of a government program are sufficient justification.

                    So when Barack Obama says that, "Republicans were the party of ideas for the last 10 or 15 years" and that Reagan changed the ideological landscape in ways that Nixon or Clinton did not, and Rep. Barney Frank responds with indignation, listing,Medicaid, Medicare, the Environmental Protection Agency, Community Development Block Grants I think the point is proved. A federal funding stream, like Community Development Block Grants, is not an idea. (Even as a funding stream, it's not much to be proud of, scattering benefits to poor and well-off communities alike.)

                    Liberals don't lack ideas. The problem is that we forget that policies and programs are means to implement ideas, to achieve certain principles. Unless you can articulate the goal itself (and I'm not even sure what the principle of CDBG is, other than, every city and town should have a little more money), you can't construct a winning politics.

                    •  So what do you think (0+ / 0-)

                      Obama was talking about when he referred to the "excesses of the 1960s and 1970s"?

                    •  Also Mark Smitt doesn't make any sense ... (0+ / 0-)

                      When I say something like, "the Republicans (or conservatives) have been the party of ideas in recent years," which I probably have said, what I mean by it is not that they have good ideas, or new ideas, but that since about 1978 or so, and especially under Reagan, they organized their approach to politics around ideas: big concepts, ambitious goals, principles, a real public philosophy.

                      But Obama explicitly said that the GOP was the part of ideas "for the past 10 to 15 years." So he was clearly referencing the Clinton administration rather than the Reagan administration.

      •  And don't forget that Barack Obama is... (0+ / 0-)

        ...BLACK!

        Thanks for your support.
        Billary

    •  thanks, K/O (25+ / 0-)

      another detailed, outstanding diary.

      And when you think of the sleazy attacks that have been thrown at the guy, it's just mind-boggling.

      Head to Heading Left, BlogTalkRadio's progressive radio site!

      by thereisnospoon on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 08:59:20 PM PDT

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    •  I can't begin to thank you enough, KO, (14+ / 0-)

      for posting these diaries. I know you became infrequent
      here and understand that, but am just so grateful for
      this series where you're not simply putting it all on the
      line, but doing it thoughtfully, linkaliciously, and graciously.

      (imho!)

      It is never too late to be what you might have been [especially now] George Eliot

      by begone on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:20:47 PM PDT

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    •  Your diaries are tremendous (8+ / 0-)

      I appreciate the dedication and work that has gone into this series. To say it is enlightening would be an understatement.

      Thanks k/o.

      Since [2000] it's been a book you read in reverse So you understand less as the pages turn - The Shins

      by kissfan on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:20:55 PM PDT

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      •  Kudos from me too. (1+ / 0-)

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        Your diaries are wonderful.  I've read all these bits and bobs in various places but you pull them all together to create such a strong testimonial for Barack.  I wish his campaign would/could make up mailers with all this distilled information and distribute them to the masses. Most people just don't have any idea how wonderfully qualified Obama is for president.

        He's not an African American candidate, he's and American candidate. - Jean Weiss on CNN

        by vernonbc on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:17:20 PM PDT

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    •  Clinton Navy Secretary Richard Danzig . . . (18+ / 0-)

      also on the list.  

      I had a chance to see Danzig state Obama's case a couple weeks ago in Virginia.  He said some good things about Clinton, but he said ultimately his backing of Obama came down to the opportunity to promote a candidate who only comes around once in a lifetime.  

      He said that Obama's ability to view global challenges from different view points was unique; and that his judgment and innovative thinking were among the best he had encountered in years of service.

    •  She's a hero of mine and (11+ / 0-)

      her work has been very helpful to me in my studies on genocide and international studies at NYU. She's one of the reasons I chose Obama and came down on his side.

    •  a virtual 'tip'.... (8+ / 0-)

      ...from a victim of the great peter dauo purge of 2008

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    •  Has anybody else noticed (4+ / 0-)

      that foreign policy, aside from Iraq, is basically non existent in the debates?  It's basically healthcare, how fast we can get the troops out of Iraq and the economy.  But that's it. Three freaking topics and then a bunch of bickering so Edwards can say stop and take votes away.

      John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.

      by recusancy on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:37:49 PM PDT

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    •  Peru FTA (3+ / 0-)

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      I'm still undecided, but there's a very good chance that I'll be voting for Barack Obama on Super Tuesday.

      That said, I was not at all happy with Senator Obama's response to a question about the Peru FTA during the last Dem debate.

      It's something that I've heard him say before & I think he really misses the point about what's terribly wrong with the agreement.

      Obama essentially said that the agreement is ok because he plans to be the next president & that as such he will enforce provisions in the agreement that protect workers and the environment.  That assertion is contrary to his oft stated philosophy of power resting with the people.  Workers and enviromentalists do not have standing to sue for enforcement of promised safeguards - they are forced to rely on the good judgement of the executive branches of government in both Peru & the U.S.

      One of the biggest failings of the agreement is a failing found in all so-called "free trade" agreements - the provision that gives multinational corporations the ability to thwart democracy by allowing those corporate interests to sue governments for "future lost profits".  The Peru-FTA opens large portions of the Amazon to oil and gas exploration and environmental degradation - and I seriously doubt that a Barack Obama presidency will be able to avert the probable damage to the environment in Peru.


      The Peru-FTA is one of BIG oil's wet dreams.


      ````
      peace

    •  Great Diary (5+ / 0-)

      Kid Oakland's diaries are the proverbial slap in the face to those who claim the Obama is "all style, no substance".

    •  Ignoring the 92,000 new troop pledge, it should (0+ / 0-)

      ..LEAD any diary about foreign policy, hard and soft power.

      This pledge truely sets Obama apart from any other progressive in recent memory.

      Increase the standing army, 92,000, idle, while you pull 150,000 out of Iraq.

      Explain? What does he foresee? Another large war? If not, please explain the eggregious costs for more guns less butter.

      •  Politics / Interventions (0+ / 0-)

        Mostly it's politics -- proposing a long term solution to a short term problem.  

        One other issue though, is if we intervene in every messed up hellhole in the world as some of his advisors would like (e.g., Samantha Powers), to stop civil wars, stop genocide and oppression, etc., then we'll need a lot of troops to go to Darfur, Congo, Burma, etc.  

    •  Obama in Foreign Affairs (FAO KO) (2+ / 0-)

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      KO and other interested parties: If you're interested in the subject, it's worth reading Obama's Foreign Affairs article from September outlining his foreign policy vision. All the candidates submitted them, and they are long, manifesto-style pieces. You can follow up with Clinton and Edwards and compare them.

      Obama: Renewing American Leadership

      Today, we are again called to provide visionary leadership. This century's threats are at least as dangerous as and in some ways more complex than those we have confronted in the past. They come from weapons that can kill on a mass scale and from global terrorists who respond to alienation or perceived injustice with murderous nihilism. They come from rogue states allied to terrorists and from rising powers that could challenge both America and the international foundation of liberal democracy. They come from weak states that cannot control their territory or provide for their people. And they come from a warming planet that will spur new diseases, spawn more devastating natural disasters, and catalyze deadly conflicts.

      To recognize the number and complexity of these threats is not to give way to pessimism. Rather, it is a call to action. These threats demand a new vision of leadership in the twenty-first century -- a vision that draws from the past but is not bound by outdated thinking. The Bush administration responded to the unconventional attacks of 9/11 with conventional thinking of the past, largely viewing problems as state-based and principally amenable to military solutions. It was this tragically misguided view that led us into a war in Iraq that never should have been authorized and never should have been waged. In the wake of Iraq and Abu Ghraib, the world has lost trust in our purposes and our principles.

      After thousands of lives lost and billions of dollars spent, many Americans may be tempted to turn inward and cede our leadership in world affairs. But this is a mistake we must not make. America cannot meet the threats of this century alone, and the world cannot meet them without America. We can neither retreat from the world nor try to bully it into submission. We must lead the world, by deed and by example.

    •  Speaking of Samantha Power (0+ / 0-)

      It's too bad that Obama hasn't taken her advice and rejected the GWOT frame. On this she agrees with Edwards.

    •  If you want a 700 billion defense budget, sure (0+ / 0-)

      I certainly credit Power's intellect and committment to human rights.

      However, the sort of hyper-interventionist policies she calls for will have us even more entangled in places we don't want to be, and could require massive increases in the defense budget to support all of those interventions and peacekeeping operations.

      Do you really want to stop the killing all over the world?  Just how much do you think we have to expand the Army to intervene in all the nasty civil wars and failed states and oppressive regimes all over the world?  

      A common failing of activists like Powers is to massively underestimate the degree of military capability necessary to intervene in such conflicts.  Contrary to claims that it would have been easy to stop the killing in Rwanda, for example, it actually would have been damn hard.  The logistics of getting large numbers of US troops into Central Africa are not easy, and given how widespread, rapid, and decentralized the killing was, you would have needed tens of thousands of soldiers.  
      Now just imagine how many US troops you need to deploy all over the Congo -- an area half the size of the continental US, with almost no roads or airfields -- to stop the killing there.  And don't say we can count on international troops; when it comes to high end capabilities, especially the transportation and logisitics capabilities to operate in remote areas, we're it.

      You want to do good and save lives all over the world?  Pay up.  We'll need LOTS more soliders and marines, and to buy a hell of a lot more helicopters, transport aircraft, MRAP-like vehicles, etc.

      Frankly, Powers and others like her make exactly the same mistake as the neocons -- massively overestimating what can be accomplished by cheap and quick applications of American power.  The aims are better but the lack of understanding of military and political realities is the same.