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Olbermann is off his rocker.

Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:11:55 AM PDT

So, Mukasey hung a picture of George Orwell in his office. So what? Is the inference that Mukasey craves an Orwellian society? Maybe he does, but hanging a picture of Orwell certainly doesn't prove anything.

"Liberty is telling people what they do not want to hear."—from a preface to Animal Farm

Orwell was a great and important writer. To try and slime someone over their admiration of Orwell is, to be honest, Orwellian.

When civil war broke out, Blair and his wife both wanted to fight for the Spanish government against Francisco Franco’s Nationalist uprising. While on the front at Huesca in Aragon Blair was shot in the throat by "a Fascist sniper". In Barcelona he joined the anti-Stalinist Spanish Trotskyist ‘Partido Obrero de Unificación Marxista’ or POUM, the Workers’ Party of Marxist Unification. When the communists partly gained control and tried to purge the POUM, many of Blair's friends were arrested, shot, or disappeared. He and Eileen barely escaped with their lives in 1937. His autobiographical Homage to Catalonia is written in the first person, mere months after the events.

   

"Shall the common man be pushed back into the mud, or shall he not? I myself believe, perhaps on insufficient grounds, that the common man will win his fight sooner or later, but I want it to be sooner and not later—some time within the next hundred years, say, and not some time within the next ten thousand years. That was the real issue of the Spanish war, and of the last war, and perhaps of other wars yet to come."—from his essay "Looking Back on the Spanish War"

I suppose people on the right could accuse Mukasey of being a communist sympathizer.

Bottom line, I think Olbermann has done some great work. This isn't among it.

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  •  Mojo a go-go. (34+ / 0-)

    I do like Keith, but Jesus his post was lame. And it sits at the top of the Rec list.

    Have we become nothing but star fuckers?

    hink

    Hyperbole will be the death of us all!

    by MrHinkyDink on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:12:32 AM PDT

    •  The last question is pertinent (27+ / 0-)

      To which I'd probably answer "yes"

      But, really, for the attorney general of the Bush Administration to put up a picture of Orwell shows a breathtaking lack of self-awareness.  Not that that's particularly news, but it is hilarious.

      "Raybin is not a lying maniac. I've found this person to be an extremely clever and devious lying conartist, but never a maniac."--RElland on Daily Kos

      by Raybin on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:16:23 AM PDT

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    •  i wrote a similar post (5+ / 0-)

      last night. it's incomprehensible! your essay is clearer and doubtless better written, so i'm glad to read it and have others read it. i think olberman is the bees knees usually, but he seems recently to have made room in his bonnet for a couple of entire bees....

    •  I See Your Point, But... (9+ / 0-)

      I think the irony of someone who works for the Bush administration (the administration least cognizant of individual liberties since...well...perhaps ever) doing an homage to the author of "1984" is pretty unbelievable.

      Also, I have to say that lately, half the things that have sat on the rec list have been pretty lame...this one was nowhere near the caliber of some of the latest "Obama rocks!" or "Hillary Sucks!" contribution.

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      Theres nothing left til you pray for salvation"
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      by Steve Singiser on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:17:02 AM PDT

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    •  I totally agree. I used to really like (4+ / 0-)

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      Keith's show, but I started feeling like I was watching a liberal version of Neil Cavuto.  Yes, I agree with his views, but I'm not sure I need to watch a full hour of a program reinforcing my own beliefs.  I thought that only right wingers needed that constant self-affirmation and dishonest mock outrage.  It started going downhill with the Special Comments, not to mention the 10 minutes spent on Britney Spears every night.  Now we have the possibility of Rachel Maddow on MSNBC, which is really more of the same shit.  It's all like junk food, tasty but worthless.

      The only television journalism worth watching is on PBS.

      •  Watched Bill Moyers and Now last night. (3+ / 0-)

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        Terrific programming.

        hink

        Hyperbole will be the death of us all!

        by MrHinkyDink on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:22:40 AM PDT

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      •  Pretty much agree except for Rachel (3+ / 0-)

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        I am glad to see her get as much air time as she has been getting lately on Countdown and Hardball. She is smart and funny and watching her go head-to-head with Pat Buchanan is a real treat.

        Agree that KO is one-sided, but he is the only pundit out there now carrying the water for our side. As opposed to Billo, Hannity, Tucker, Joe Scar, Cavuto, Glenn Beck (who did I miss here?) on the other side. So I am happy to have him there. But he does need to do a better job of keeping it real.

      •  Exactly. (6+ / 0-)

        He points at the right news facts, asks some appropriate questions often enough, and gets some good interviews, but the rest is junk food.

        And making entertainment fair out of drug addiction and mental illness is entirely too much a part of Gross America for me.

        It's as if the general media thinks the only way to get America to eat the healthy truth is to serve it up with some corn syrup and deep-fried fats.

        I'll watch the first twenty minutes or so occasionally, then I'm off.

        "In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order." Carl Jung

        by Unduna on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:43:30 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, (2+ / 0-)

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          he does provide a different filter for the news than do other talking heads, but he's still just another talking head.  The cure for the shitty media we have is not more opinion, but rather more investigation.  There really are very few investigative journalists left.  Bill Moyers, some of the folks at sixty minutes, and of course, Sy Hersh, are some of the few left.    

    •  perhaps you missed this exchange: (23+ / 0-)

      I don't know...

      I thought this was interesting, but I'm not sure about the implication being drawn from it.

      That is, I'm not sure why one would assume that hanging a picture of Orwell indicates you like the society he came up with in '1984'.  I would think it would be more likely that you are saying you admire Orwell's ability to create a dystopia that acted as a commentary on our own real-world society.

      If I hung a picture of, say, Terry Gilliam on my wall, it wouldn't mean that I admired the world of "Brazil", but more that I admired his ability to create that world as a commentary and exploration of society.

      Ultimately, I just don't see the connection being drawn, that hanging a portrait of an author means you admire the dystopian world he created itself, rather than the author's skill in exploring the issues covered in '1984'.

      Zadillo

      Terry Gilliam

      Yeahbut...

      If you hung a picture of Terry Gilliam on your wall while saying you weren't sure that what Michael Palin did to Jonathan Pryce in the movie was a) torture, or b) good government, that might change the implication of your decision.

      Keith Olbermann



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      •  Thanks! LOL! (3+ / 0-)

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        I missed that myself.

        On second thought , let's not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place

        by o the umanity on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:22:41 AM PDT

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      •  Good exchange, but... (3+ / 0-)

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        ... I still think he's missing the point. What if Mukasey really liked Animal Farm? Maybe this isn't about 1984.

        hink

        Hyperbole will be the death of us all!

        by MrHinkyDink on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:25:36 AM PDT

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        •  I don't it matter which of Orwell's books (8+ / 0-)

          he likes.

          It's still damned funny that someone who's been a close personal friend of Giuliani for nearly 40 years and was a campaign adviser to Giuliani's Presidential campaign has a portrait of George Orwell on his wall.

          Don't forget that Mukasey has written several op-eds... One in praise of the Patriot Act and another defending bush's right to declare American citizens "enemy combatants."

          He also refuses to label waterboarding torture, because to do so would place the torturers in legal jeopardy... and I could go on and on about Mukasey.

          So I don't really care which of Orwell's books he liked, I still find it funny that a man who has been best buddies with Rudy

          "Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do."

          Giuliani for nearly half a century would hang a portrait of Orwell on his wall.

          "It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." Oscar Wilde, 1891

          by MichiganGirl on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:35:55 AM PDT

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    •  Keith made the same "point" on his show... (3+ / 0-)

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      ... last night. My brother and I just looked at one another like "WTF"???

      Orwell is the veritable image of that era's anti-fascist (anti-totalitarian, really) writers. IOW, he's the last guy that a neo-fascist would hang a picture of on his wall. If Mukasey hung a picture of Margret Atwood would that make him an advocate for a Christianist dictatorship?

      The fact that Mukasey is a fucking shill who refuses to say that torture is torture because to do so would likely put his political patrons in legal jeopardy is damning enough without reaching for BS like the "meaning" of his hanging an author's picture.

      The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

      by kingubu on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:27:48 AM PDT

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    •  agreed. I was about to post on his diary (4+ / 0-)

      then saw yours come up.  Thanks for putting it out there.

      If KO wanted to really nail Mukasey about this, all he has to do is point out the intense irony of Orwell's positions juxtaposed to the fulfillment of Orwell's very nightmares that the Bushists have created in the real world.

      But to chide the AG for merely putting up a portrait of the Left's most cherished Jeremiah without making that point is way beyond lame because it opens him (and, now, us) up to deserved whithering criticism: "Is it only permissible for your political opponents to hang portraits of people who disagree with you?"

      Maybe he'll read your diary, HD, and clarify his point.

      "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

      by nailbender on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:32:42 AM PDT

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    •  Please change your title (4+ / 0-)

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      FAQs:

      When choosing a title, please avoid the following:

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         * "Calling out" other users. This consists of referring to another user, by name, in the title of a diary with a negative connotation. So, diary titles of the form "UserX is a moron" are not allowed. More neutral titles like "A response to UserX" isn't technically "calling out", but many people will interpret it as such. The best strategy is simply not to mention other users in diary titles at all.

    •  meh... (1+ / 0-)

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      I've been reccing tons of non-candidate diaries in hopes that some will knock a couple of the candidate diaries off the list.

      I read Keith's, thought it was interesting--though not his best, and rec'd.

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      by kredwyn on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:42:33 AM PDT

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    •  Olbermann (0+ / 0-)

      He's here for the groupies. He has an entire TV show to say what he wants to say.

    •  Hinky, you COMPLETELY miss Keth's point (1+ / 0-)

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      Nowhere does Olbermann say, suggest, or imply that the hanging of Orwell's portrait is Mukasey's intentional endorsement of the world depicted in 1984.  Rather, Olbermann is quite cleverly noting the extreme irony of a man who works for an Orwellian administration hanging a portrait of Orwell -- and the weirdness of Mukasey's explanation that he hung the portrait out of admiration for Orwell's writing style, which suggests that Mukasey misses the point of Orwell as completely as... well, as you miss the point of Olbermann.

      And saying all this does not make me a "starfucker" -- it merely makes me a functionally literate adult.

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      by Finck II on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 10:51:28 AM PDT

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      •  It's still an overrated diary. (0+ / 0-)

        If anybody else had put it up, it would've scrolled off into oblivion.

        hink

        Hyperbole will be the death of us all!

        by MrHinkyDink on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 11:32:21 AM PDT

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        •  Um... yeah... but does that say all that much? (0+ / 0-)

          At this point it's kind of hard to separate Olbermann's status as major liberal hero from the work he produces.  Thus, the recommends are at least partly influenced by such considerations as:

          Olbermann's byline instantly attracts many many hits (like mine) -- if even a vastly smaller than average percentage of readers per diary give him a recommend, that would still be enough to shoot it into high numbers.

          Many people at DKos wish Keith well and view recommending his posts as a way of promoting his viewpoint and encouraging him to post here, even if one thinks that this diary was not his best.

          Add to that the folks who genuinely thought the diary was good (I liked it far more than you did, though I did not give it a recommend) and his high numbers make sense.

          By the way, thanks for your recommend for MY comment above despite my somewhat edgy tone... and double thanks for either not noticing or choosing not to comment on the fact that though I describe myself as functionally literate, I misspelled Keith's name in the subject line.

          McCain: Running for Hoover's 21st term

          by Finck II on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 03:17:01 PM PDT

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  •  I agree (10+ / 0-)

    Glad you posted this - Orwell was warning against totalitarian thought control, for fuck's sake - unless Olbermann thinks Mukasey is a complete moron, a la Reagan thinking Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA" was a "yeah US!" song that celebrated America.  Which it wasn't, for you youngsters.

  •  I wasn't sure what to make of Olbermann's post... (5+ / 0-)

    either.

    I think he enjoyed the irony of the author of 1984 being hung as a portrait by Bush's new AG, rather than missing the point on Orwell.

    "Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric." Bertrand Russell

    by Tom Enever on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:15:37 AM PDT

  •  No the point is he misses the obvious irony (11+ / 0-)

    He lauds Orwell for clarity and lack of cant.

    Then turns around and resorts to obfuscation and misleading euphemisms when put on the spot himself.

    Add to that that Orwell is famous for writing dystopian visions of the future which many now consider to be the present ... and it is a bit much to take.

    At  best Mukasey is just oblivious to the damage he and his cohorts are doing.  At worst, his choice of Orwell's picture is a thumb in the eye of civil society.

  •  I'm tipping you (9+ / 0-)

    MrhHinkyDink because I am an Orwell fan -- however, considering the tone of this Administration -- I would think a better place to hang the portrait would be at home.  It is just way too ironic for me.

    Oh, and I only read the permalink -- not the comments.

    My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:17:17 AM PDT

  •  I think Olbermann's post was funny (13+ / 0-)

    not really all that serious, just an observation that amuses a lot of people since this administration is one of the most Orwellian in nature so to speak

    •  re:Precisely (4+ / 0-)

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      The most Orwellian of all time.  Keith's diary boils down to this fact: We have an Attorney General, who played all kinds of obfuscatory language games during confirmation about torture and waterboarding, now declaring his admiration for Orwell, because he was a paragon of speaking and writing clearly.  Is Mukasey unaware that Orwell was also literature's greatest prophet about the dangers of intentionally misleading language?  Is he unaware that, in his confirmation hearings, he demonstrated language abuses that would disgust Orwell?

      It would be like an unreformed drunk professing admiration for the temperance movement.  It would be like George Allen professing admiration for the political philosophy of Thomas Jefferson.  It would be like Pol Pot with a framed photograph of Gandhi over his desk.  Well, actually, it wouldn't.

    •  my objection isn't to his diary (1+ / 0-)

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      it's to the segment itself which doesn't point out the extreme irony of a Bushist honoring the author most opposed to Bushist doctrine and practice.  He glosses over all that in a national TV broadcast.  He seems to have been assuming his audience (the TV one, not dkos) can read his mind.  We can fill in the blanks; they can't.

      "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

      by nailbender on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 11:12:42 AM PDT

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  •  Just too full of irony (16+ / 0-)

    and too ripe for ribaldry to ignore.

    Come on. You can't deny the humor and the creepiness of this particular administration's AG hanging that portrait.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:17:58 AM PDT

    •  Yep, the irony was stunning (2+ / 0-)

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      although KO's writing is sometimes quite cerebral. That diary probably would have been better-understood as a teevee segment, by folks who didn't really "get it" right away.

      And, well, maybe KO was looking for some sympathy for his hand? Heh. Hey, it was Friday night--maybe steroids and beer don't mix or something ;)

      On second thought , let's not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place

      by o the umanity on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:21:11 AM PDT

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  •  I've written some doosies.. (0+ / 0-)

    but people still seem to like me.

    That one was a doosie.

    :)

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  •  LOL (4+ / 0-)

    Did I miss something?

    I took Olbie wans post as doing what they love to do to us, make fun of stupid shit. I thought it was hilarious and sort of ironic since many have stated that these criminals act as if they live in an Orwellian society.

    It is a yuck fest, you really shouldn't feel the need to defend a dumbass for his choice in artwork.

    But themn again maybe I am the dumbass ;~)

  •  Remember there's a writer's strike going on. (2+ / 0-)

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    Maybe that plays into it.

    Some writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them - T Paine

    by breezeview on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:19:37 AM PDT

  •  I hung a picture of the devil in my office. (3+ / 0-)

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    But I was forced to take it down.  I guess pictures of Bush or anything political is not allowed.

  •  my reaction.... (1+ / 0-)

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    ...to Olbermann's comments were similar to yours. Normally, Olbermann's commentary is very acute and appropriate.

    However, his reaction to a federal official's decision to hang a portrait of a highly respected writer, seemed a bit "over the top" to me, as well.

    Perhaps he might have been better suited to have gone into sarcastic mode more in terms of how appropriate it was for a member of the Bush brigade to hang a portrait of the author of "1984," since that's what Bush's administration sometimes seems to emulate.

    Am not sure whether calling Olbermann "off his rocker" might be over the top too, but his comments on this particulary matter certainly missed the mark.

  •  C'mon (7+ / 0-)

    There is no denying Orwell was a great writer, but portrait worthy?

    Mukasey's actions don't match that of someone who cherishes Orwell the person.

    I think he's more likely an arrogant prick who is thumbing his nose at us little people because he knows it will rile.

    It's a trait. It's a signature of the administration to staff itself with arrogant pricks.

    We said we want change, and they gave us a handful.

    by MouseOfSuburbia on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:22:30 AM PDT

  •  Upon some individuals (8+ / 0-)

    irony is lost.  May you continue your search.

  •  George Orwell - Lyle Lovett separated at birth? (3+ / 0-)

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    George Orwell

    Lyle Lovett

    separated at birth?

    •  HAA! (1+ / 0-)

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      My mom saw LL on the Tonight Show a long time ago (IIRC, this was back before he was married to Julia Roberts). Said he reminded her of a big, skinny chicken.

      Damned if he doesn't write some great music, though. And yes, agreed on your actual point, too. Yikes!

      On second thought , let's not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place

      by o the umanity on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:30:09 AM PDT

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  •  I'm going to go hang a noose in my office (4+ / 0-)

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    to show I enjoy knot-tying.

    funkify your life...

    by YatPundit on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:29:32 AM PDT

  •  Just a quick scan of the posts here and (9+ / 0-)

    it seems I read things a little differently than most of ya.

    Orwell wrote an anti Utopian cautionary tale.

    The Neocons and Retuglicans read it and perceived a manual of style for the manipulation a free society and a natural extrapolation of their previous favorite book, The Prince by Machiavelli.

    KO seems to have pointed out the irony that escapes most of the commenter's here.

    Irony deficient?

    The biggest threat to America is not communism, it's moving America toward a fascist theocracy... -- Frank Zappa

    by NCrefugee on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:31:35 AM PDT

    •  Uh... (1+ / 0-)

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      ...polical views weren't the reason Mukasey gave for hanging it. Check again.

      it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

      by Addison on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:33:18 AM PDT

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    •  he doesn't point out the irony (1+ / 0-)

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      he only chides Mukasey for hanging the picture.  We are left to fill in the blanks.  You can't do that in a national TV show.  Your analysis of the irony is correct, but your analysis of KO's attack isn't.  He doesn't touch the irony, only the hanging of the portrait.  In fact, in reading the transcript of the segment he provided, you could easily assume that he (KO) opposes Orwell, as if Mukasey had hung a picture of Hitler.

      "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

      by nailbender on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:25:06 AM PDT

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      •  so we can assume you also missed (1+ / 0-)

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        The literary references KO included in his piece?

        The biggest threat to America is not communism, it's moving America toward a fascist theocracy... -- Frank Zappa

        by NCrefugee on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 10:00:51 AM PDT

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        •  didn't have my decoder ring handy (1+ / 0-)

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          Seriously, there were none in his transcript of the segment on his show, and you can't be coy about this kind of thing on a TV show.  You have to be explicit.  That's what I'm criticizing.

          Or are you being ironic?  I'm all ironied out.

          "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

          by nailbender on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 10:21:30 AM PDT

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  •  Maybe, hink, but (3+ / 0-)

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    Joe Blow on the street will know him for "1984", not for his essays.  At least at immediate recall, maybe some will wonder if they actually think about it.

    I see the irony in it, kinda grinned, but I'm more worried about what he has for an opinion on waterboarding than his taste in decorating.

  •  I thought it was funny. (7+ / 0-)

    What could be more ironic than a member of the Bush administration hanging a picture of George Orwell in his office?

    Olbermann can do the serious journalism, but his snarky sense of humor and ability to see and point out irony adds a lot to his show. In small doses, I even enjoy the Oddball and celebrity stuff, and I imagine his willingness to have some fun with things helps his ratings.

  •  yeah honestly, I really love George Orwell (2+ / 0-)

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    and I think some people admire his cautionary words and incisive analysis. I'm tempted to get a picture of him too.

    This is still bigger than any candidate. I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it's for or against.

    by danthrax on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:45:21 AM PDT

  •  The irony of a 'newsman' posting (1+ / 0-)

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    that diary here didn't escape me either. Rec'd.

  •  My criticisms of Countdown last night would be (1+ / 0-)

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    1. Not mentioning that Edwards polled best of the three Dem candidates against ALL of the Republicans, especially against McCain - you know, back when the Corporate Media still deigned to include Edwards in such polls - before they dropped the 15%-20% Edwards to focus on the 5%-10% Giuliani.
    1. Exaggerating the potential effect of the Superdelegates on the Dem nomination process.  The claim was made that the roughly 800 superdelegates represent 40% of the roughly 2000 delegates needed to win.  While mathematically correct, and while it makes for a good story about "smoke-filled backroom politics" still being able to determine the nomination, this is overstating the situation a bit for dramatic effect [Note:  this is not all bad if it gets the viewing audience to start paying closer attention to the superdelegate thing.]

    The thing is that, even if one candidate managed to corral guaranteed voting support on the first ballot from 100% of the super delegates, he/she would still need at least 38% of the primary-determined regular delegates to win the nom outright. With half of the supers, a candidate would still need over 50% of the regular delegates to win.

    If John Edwards can ride into the convention with even 15% - 20% of the popular vote, he would have more leverage than the superdelegates.

    If Keith were to follow-up on anything about Friday night's show, I'd MUCH rather it be these two issues than wide-of-the-mark snarky blather about Orwell's portrait.

    Some folks prefer a map and finding their own route. Others need someone to tell them where to go.

    by sxwarren on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:57:14 AM PDT

  •  Context. Here's an example. (2+ / 0-)

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    Case scenario 1:

    I'm a Professor of History, specializing in the American Civil War.  In my study, one of my portraits is of General Nathan Bedford Forest.

    Case scenario 2:

    I'm a member of the White Citizens Council.  I am active in and associate with groups who oppose civil rights.  In my study, one of the portraits is of General Nathan Bedford Forest.

    In which case would the portrait of Nathan Bedford Forest, founder of the KKK, be symbolic of my belief system?

    Case Scenario 3:

    I'm the Attorney General of the United States.  I am a member of a regime occupying the executive branch which has:

        a) destroyed evidence

        b) propagated lies in advancing the nation into war

        c) created a new class of citizen which, by definition, has no rights (the "Enemy Combatant") - and my branch of government has unilateral authority to make such determinations

        d) engaged in torture by redefining acts previously thought to be torture as acts that no longer constitute torture - even though prior definitions were used in WWII era trials

    And in my office, I have a portrait of George Orwell as I am a professed fan of the clarity in his style of writing.  

    Every day, when I walk into my office and see that portrait... I'm laughing on the inside.

    PS: What makes the Neocon / Theocons so bold in respect to their agenda?  Here's an example:  The Project for a New American Century hasn't even bothered to remove from their website a copy of the letter they sent in 1998 to President Clinton calling for the overthrow of Sadaam through whatever means necessary.  Signed proudly by many members of the Bush regime.  Why bother removing it?  Sheep, even when faced with the truth, can't believe it and so do nothing.  The AG is being cute.. because he knows that the Bush regime can do whatever it wants without penalty.  War?  Defy subpoenas? Delete e-mails?  Use outside GOP companies for bypassing rules on evidence retention?  Politicize the DOJ?  Torture?  LOL.  If they aren't held accountable on these issues... why should they even try to be subtle?

    The other day I yelled to a friend, "Look! A Unicorn!", to which the Unicorn gave reply: "That's nothing. I saw an undecided centrist voter last year."

    by Johnathan Ivan on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:04:24 AM PDT

  •  I don't think it's a matter of sliming Mukasey (0+ / 0-)

    for admiring Orwell, per se. As has been pointed out, Orwell was a progressive. The problem, if it needs to be called a problem, is that there will be people who'll interpret this as being in support of the Orwellian vision in practice, and the message it might be said to send to those people. But more importantly, it's pr