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Don't use right-wing frames to attack Dem candidates

Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 01:48:33 PM PDT

Guys, I know it seems like primary season will never end but the general election is not that far away and we all know the eventual Democratic nominee is going to face heavy fire from the GOP as they try desperately to hold on to power in the face of a country eager for change. While we all want to vet the candidates and make sure that we choose the one who best represents us, the one who can win, the one who will be effective at promoting progressive goals, we should be careful not to provide unnecessary ammo for the Republicans. As I see it, we are coming dangerously close to shredding the party with internal fighting at the very time when we have a chance to send the Republicans to the wilderness. If Clinton wins, we will need Obama in the Senate; if Obama wins, same goes for Clinton. Edwards should play a role in the next administration and his voice needs to be heard. Below, some right-wing frames that I hope we can agree to not use against our own candidates.

Edwards: is NOT an egotistical hypocritical ambulance chaser. Those of us who have looked into his record are proud of the work he did as a lawyer, helping to get justice for his clients. He and his family have faced tremendous personal adversity and he perseveres because he believes he gives a voice to overlooked Americans. I was there in 2004 fighting for Edwards' good name on mixed political boards and I think he would have made a great nominee against Bush then. Criticism of Edwards as hypocritical plays into the right-wing narrative that Democrats don't really care about poor people, can't really relate to the problems facing ordinary Americans, and are either trying to assuage their guilt or else cynically manipulate this block of voters.

Clinton: is NOT a racist bitch running on Bill's accomplishments. Most of us were pretty pleased with how Bill ran the country, but most of us can think of several things we wish he had done differently too, in his politics as well as his personal life. Hillary has stood on her own all her life, did outstanding work for NYC after 9/11, and has fought back against some of the most brutal smearing ever directed at a politician. The sexism she's faced from the media has been blatant and disturbing. Criticism of the Clintons as racist and corrupt politicians plays into the right-wing narrative that Bill was a lousy President and that the Clintons are a mafia-style take-no-prisoners political machine. Criticism of Hillary using anti-feminist frames undermines progressive work for women's rights.

Obama: is NOT a naive say-anything cliche machine. He has a strong record of achievement in Chicago and in the Senate. His record reflects his rhetoric and he shows an understanding of the root causes behind "headline" issues, from Katrina to terrorism. Please, for the doubters out there, look up his accomplishments, read kid oakland's excellent series; I won't turn this diary into a plug for Obama but he's a strong candidate in a strong field. Criticism of Obama as all rhetoric, no substance plays into the right-wing narrative that Democrats talk a good game but never do anything constructive. Criticism of Obama as a naive non-fighter can be spun into the frame of Dems being weak on security. Criticism of Obama as the "charisma candidate" can be spun as him getting special treatment because he's black.

Do I even need to add that in all three cases such type of criticism is factually inaccurate? Unfortunately the right-wing frames don't have to be true to be believed, and unfortunately some of the circular fire coming from the left doesn't seem concerned with accuracy so much as damage power.

Now, this is not to say that criticism is out of bounds; there are many legitimate differences to explore between all three candidates, there are contradictions between past actions and current positions that are fair game to notice, there are campaign tactics that are understandably disturbing. But let's be careful not to reinforce right-wing frames when we try to promote our favorite candidate.

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If I might also take the liberty of addressing how supporters of candidates interact, something that I realize has been beaten to death but which I nevertheless want to touch on briefly. Please, let's tone down the vitriol. Some suggested guidelines for meta-level discussions:

Edwards supporters: there is no need to be personally insulted, or insulted on behalf of your candidate, when people examine the strategic implications of Edwards withdrawing. Someone who notes that Edwards might not meet the viability criteria in CA is not against the issues you and Edwards promote. If Obama supporters are eager to court your support, think of it as them seeing in you a potential ally to work for change in America. You don't have to dance, but there's no need to rip Obama because you don't like how one of his supporters asked.

Clinton supporters: there is no need to be personally insulted, or insulted on behalf of your candidate, when people are upset at what they consider unnecessary negative campaigning. You don't have to defend everything said or done by Hillary, Bill, or various people associated with that campaign. Hillary can still be the most qualified candidate even if you acknowledge a mistake or misstep. Not everything is a manufactured controversy designed to discredit Hillary.

Obama supporters: there is no need to be personally insulted, or insulted on behalf of your candidate, when people notice that he's black and speculate about what impact that will have. There's no need to interpret comments about Obama's background or electoral chances as racist if a charitable reading could suggest otherwise. I know, sometimes it's tough to distinguish bigoted concern trolling from good-faith commentary, but let's avoid incendiary accusations whenever possible.

We've got a great group of candidates, with a bright future ahead in November and beyond if we play our cards right.  

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  •  Tips for a strong Dem field in 2008 (15+ / 0-)

    and for victory in November.

    •  You're pissing into a hurricane (8+ / 0-)

      But I admire you for trying.

      A revolution without dancing is a revolution not worth having // Swords Crossed

      by quaoar on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 01:53:07 PM PDT

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      •  Sure, but like you I admire him/her for it. (4+ / 0-)

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        dbratl, raatzie, quaoar, emsprater

        If more people thought like the poster, we could do away with some of the "knee jerkism" and have a genuine debate on the strengths and weaknesses of each candidate...

        But no for some...it is a if you hate my candidate, you are a biased POS...

        Sad.

      •  In the name of the wind . . . (0+ / 0-)

        . . . I'd argue we have only two good candidates and that the right wing critique of Clinton is powerful mostly because of the healthy dose of truth it contains.

        :)

        •  Wrong Wind ... (0+ / 0-)

          The right wing critique of Clinton is powerful only to the degree that people support and buy into it.  Most of it is snaked around an irrational hatred/envy of Bill Clinton and an absolute dislike of that "uppity bitch," HRC.  I'm not saying these are necessarily the concerns of DKos folks-I'm referring to that same right wing you brought up.

          Personally, it's dispiriting to descend now into this politics of hate.  I'm still more interested in how your (any one of them) candidate voted, what his or her achievements are, what legislation did they help see through or sponsor ... their position (with numbers) on various issues of the day and their specific response to criticisms that their positions aren't tenable for whatever reasons.

          I want to vote FOR.  I'm tired of voting out of fear of another asshole republican getting in.  I'm tired of voting for the proverbial "lesser of two evils."  I want to go into November absolutely on fire- willing to spread the good news- America's coming out of the dark ages.  

          Experience Failure 2008: McCain

          by crescentdave on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 03:25:59 PM PDT

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  •  The Clintons (2+ / 0-)

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    dbratl, haruki

    HRC should get out of the race.

    go raibh maith agat

    by jersy on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 01:50:26 PM PDT

  •  Thank you Bren for a solid post (nt) (4+ / 0-)

    "He who fears something gives it power over him."--Arab proverb

    by crazyshirley2100 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 01:52:56 PM PDT

  •  Until the primaries are over this is the time... (1+ / 0-)

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    wdrath

    ...to get a firm grip on each candidates strengths and weaknesses and their respective impacts. That activity will naturally overlap with GOP memes (already published as Obama/inexperienced; Hillary/trust).

    The bigger issue IMO is not to damage Democrats by confusing responsibility for Republican wars, sins, partisanship, or ideas and not denigrate Democrats.  

    HR 676 is the best health reform proposal worth my vote.

    by kck on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 01:56:55 PM PDT

  •  Civility? Here? (2+ / 0-)

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    brendanm98, quaoar

    I'm not strongly for any candidate;  I'm not so impressed by Obama; but I certainly found this article to be true.  No matter what, it's a sh*tstorm around HRC.

  •  You can't do that to our pledges! (0+ / 0-)

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    emsprater

    Only the Republicans can do that to our pledges!

    The Democratic party: nominating unelectable Presidential candidates since 1972. (inapplicable within 3 years of Watergate and to the man from Hope)

    by raatzie on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 02:00:20 PM PDT

  •  The Clintons started this (0+ / 0-)

    They will have to live with the consequences, and that includes a critique of their records and their conduct in the current election.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." --H.L. Mencken

    by JCWilmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 02:05:48 PM PDT

    •  Yes, all they had to do was breathe. (0+ / 0-)

      Simply their existence was all some folks needed to be able to state "the Clinton'sstarted this".

      How dare she run to win against another Democrat?

      "Hillary Hate" is a disease that will not be cured until after the primaries.

      by emsprater on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 02:10:31 PM PDT

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      •  Spare me (0+ / 0-)

        Let's see:

        1. The e-mail campaign calling Obama a Muslim.
        1. The countless "gaffes" by Clinton surrogates.
        1. The endless appeals to dogwhistle racism.
        1. The radio ad that was so false even Clinton was embarassed and had to pull the ad.
        1. Bill Clinton's remarks about Jesse Jackson, implying strongly that Obama is "just a Black candidate," not a real (white) candidate.

        I said it before and I'll say it again: they started it and they will have to live with the consequences.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." --H.L. Mencken

        by JCWilmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 02:17:17 PM PDT

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    •  I am shocked, yea, shocked . . . (0+ / 0-)

      . . . that in the course of seeking the nomination, the Clintons did not play by the Marquis de Queensbury rules.

      Politics ain't beanbag, chief.

      You think the Clintons are playing dirty, just wait till the general (if your guy is there).

      The Democratic party: nominating unelectable Presidential candidates since 1972. (inapplicable within 3 years of Watergate and to the man from Hope)

      by raatzie on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 02:13:35 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not the one asking for quarter friend (0+ / 0-)

        It's the Clintons and their supporters who like to take cheap shots, then call for a "truce," and then launch more cheap shots.

        I say, bring it on, and let the Clintons be prepared to take their fair share of lumps.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." --H.L. Mencken

        by JCWilmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 02:19:02 PM PDT

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        •  Sounds like a flaw in Obama's strateegery, then. (0+ / 0-)

          The Democratic party: nominating unelectable Presidential candidates since 1972. (inapplicable within 3 years of Watergate and to the man from Hope)

          by raatzie on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 02:23:46 PM PDT

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          •  We shall see (0+ / 0-)

            We shall see.  Have fun defending your girl for the next few months, I suspect you have a rocky road ahead of you.

            "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." --H.L. Mencken

            by JCWilmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 02:25:47 PM PDT

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            •  Actually . . . (0+ / 0-)

              . . . I'm an Edwards supporter.  

              I just continue to be amazed by how often the Obamaniacs keep looking for a pass interference call.

              The Democratic party: nominating unelectable Presidential candidates since 1972. (inapplicable within 3 years of Watergate and to the man from Hope)

              by raatzie on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 02:51:33 PM PDT

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  •  great post (2+ / 0-)

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    very true all of it

  •  Uh, don't repeat right-wing frames like this. (0+ / 0-)

    Repetition of such frames further encodes them.  Just sayin'.

    "You can't negotiate with reality" - James Kunstler

    by Bob Love on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 02:28:43 PM PDT

    •  I'm just curious (1+ / 0-)

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      missliberties

      When Hillary Clinton lies and someone calls her on it, is that "repeating a right wing frame," or is it simply demanding accountability from someone running for the highest elective office of our nation?

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." --H.L. Mencken

      by JCWilmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 02:31:07 PM PDT

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    •  Heh... but if I stop other people from repeating (1+ / 0-)

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      missliberties

      them, isn't it worth it? At least I'm explicitly saying the frames are false =)

    •  Fight for your right... to democratic party (2+ / 0-)

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      Bob Love, brendanm98

      No, to dispute them with the degree of precision and clarity as is in this post diffuses the power, I think.  Yes, simply being reactive and polarizing does encode them, but the public sphere must not be left in control of the punditocracy rightists.  And it's been the self-gratifying divisiveness among democrats compared to the "eleventh commandment" discipline among repubs that has lost us the big picture struggle since the Gipper.  For this once, it'd be nice to see us draw together and be disciplined on a march to victory.  

      Some of you are too young, but I remember distinctly the feeling in 1993 when Bill was sworn in... thinking very clearly about how much of a centrist he was and how far from his views were my own and how f**king glad I was that the long nightmare of repub darkness was over and how Maya Angelou was reading poetry and something very different and good was happening in my country and it didn't matter that much in that moment that Bill wasn't leftist enough to suit me.

      dunkel ist das leben...

      by harry the taoist on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 02:55:59 PM PDT

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  •  GOP viruses (2+ / 0-)

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    wdrath, harry the taoist

    Thanks for this "wake-up" call.

    Honestly, I can't believe the really inflamatory diaries on this site.

    I don't remember it being this bad in '04.

    Hey, we have the best candidate, head and shouldars, to win the General Election in Nov.

    Let's drop the GOP candidate bashing in favor of the issues and policy.

  •  If you are counting countrywide, then ... (0+ / 0-)

    "most of us" were in favor of the Iraq war too, but "most of us" were deceived.

    Most of us were pretty pleased with how Bill ran the country ...

    ... is either evidence that Bill ran the economy well and/or that the Mass Media does not know its ass from a hole in the ground and would not let people in on the real story even if it could sort it out for itself.

    And Clintonians would be cheering for the "and", because we already know that the latter is true.

  •  The candidates are okay ... (0+ / 0-)

    but the vituperative candidate diaries demonstrate that none of them have strong enough positions or records.

    It's all "but he/she isn't as bad as ..."

    They are all a bunch of truth challenged ambitious politicians.

    Our job should be to move the candidates closer to us on issues, not to defend a bunchy of sleazy politicians.

    All present a fairly conservative governing philosophy.  That's what we should be work up about, not arguing about the Pro-wrestling non-issues that concern MSM.

    I am neither bitter nor cynical but I do wish there was less immaturity in political thinking. -- FDR

    by Moresby on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 02:58:18 PM PDT

  •  Please let me know where I can find (0+ / 0-)

    the "Right Wing Frame" dictionary.

    Just because you hear it from the other side doesn't mean it is not accurate.

    Besides....if we are going to push them into the kitchen, shouldn't the candidates be tested to see if they can stand the heat?

    My guideline, if it is an honest (accurate) critism, it is a fair one.  I may not like it, but I better know how to fight it.

    You think these meme's are going to fade away once we have a nominee?  Let that shit be debunked NOW before it kills us in the general.

    There are things about the Clintons that We Do Not Mention because they are considered frames. And Obama...and Edwards. But if these things are proven true..AFTER the nomination, they will be deadly.  I think it is a mistake to shut out the critical evaluation of these Unmentionables.

     I want my ammo stocked BEFORE the battle.

    ~father...Father, the sleeper has awakened! ~Dune

    by CWalter on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 03:43:19 PM PDT

  •  Is it okay to point out the hypocrisy (0+ / 0-)

    of supporting equality and civil rights, and then cynically using race baited code words for raw political  can.

    I mean hypocrisy is hypocrisy and that is pretty blatant.

    In my view politics has been a dirty game, no doubt, and there are certain rules, but the Clinton's have displayed a disdain for those rules.

    Now Hill is trying to get the delegates seated in Florida......!

    Overthrow the Government ~Vote~

    by missliberties on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 10:03:14 AM PDT

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