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You are Pelosi. You are Reid.

Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 07:04:16 PM PDT

When Democrats regained control of Congress, we all had high hopes for change.  We thought they’d stand up for their convictions.  But when the going got tough, on Gonzales’ crimes, on Iraq funding, on the Mukasey nomination, on impeachment, on enforcing subpoenas, on accountability for the Plame outing, on any number of difficult decisions, our Congress let us down.

Of course, there were the inevitable excuses for every time they caved.  The votes aren’t there, this isn’t the right time, there are more important issues, etc.  On issue after issue, the Democratic Congress caved, choosing expediency over principle.

And how did we react?  We were pissed off.  We chastised them, excoriated them, insulted them and generally expressed our dissatisfaction that they refused to stick to principles.  They talked a great game about how they shared our concern and values; but just couldn’t support our position at this time.  Expediency demanded they reluctantly sacrifice their previously asserted principles; they must change their position for the better interest of the Party.  Time and time again, they compromised; and they made us sick with disgust.

And yet, here we are, a mere few weeks into primary season.  And what do we have here at dKos but a veritable stampede of Kossacks doing exactly the same thing.  That’s what I said, exactly the same thing.  

Hearken back to the halcyon days of months past, when dKos poll after poll showed where we stood as a community.  Overwhelmingly, we embraced the candidacy of John Edwards.  We shared his principles of opposing the Iraq war, promoting equitable and affordable health care, better education, and a commitment to closing the inequality between rich and poor.  When the question was asked, we stood up and said, "Yes, those are the principles we believe in!"

But no more.  For expediency, for the good of the party, too many of us clearly willing to compromise those principles to switch our allegiance to another candidate.  Sure, a good candidate with similar rhetoric, but different.  Edwards’ message hasn’t changed, our beliefs in those principles haven’t changed; but now we’ve caved in the face of "the votes aren’t there."

Fine.  I see how it is, and I do not begrudge anyone’s prerogative to change their mind.  Good for you.  But the next time Pelosi or Reid let the Republicans off the hook because "the votes aren’t there", or in the spirit of Party unity, or as a compromise when we know damned well they sold us out, I sure as Hell don’t want to see whining and complaining from those of you who have shown the exact same backbone when the votes weren’t there for your principles and your candidate.  As for me, I’m going to keep fighting.

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  •  Tip jar (7+ / 0-)

    When the oak is felled the whole forest echoes with its fall, but a hundred acorns are sown in silence by an unnoticed breeze. -Thomas Carlyle

    by rb608 on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 07:05:02 PM PDT

  •  I still support Edwards (6+ / 0-)

    and will vote for him Tuesday

    and then vote for whoever we, as a coalition, pick as our nominee.

  •  If I am going to vote my Principles it would be.. (5+ / 0-)

    Kucinich .

    and this kind of comes across as implying that anyone who doesn't support JRE lacks progressive principles.

    because that would be kind of Rove-ian.

    wouldn't want that.

    •  I thought I was careful (0+ / 0-)

      to aim my criticism at only those who has based their support on primary results instead of principles. Compared to any R, all three are progressive enough; but I made my first choice based on ideas, not electability.

      When the oak is felled the whole forest echoes with its fall, but a hundred acorns are sown in silence by an unnoticed breeze. -Thomas Carlyle

      by rb608 on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 07:17:54 PM PDT

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      •  So you picked JRE , the man who voted for AUMF... (1+ / 0-)

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        over Dennis Kucinich, one of the most principled politicians of modern history?

        Really?

        Or were you with Kucinich, and then changed your mind during the primary??

        •  With JRE from the beginning (1+ / 0-)

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          Frankly, in the context of the lies fed to Congress at that time, his AUMF vote doesn't bother me so much, especially given his subsequent emphatic renunciation.  I really didn't learn enough about Kucinich soon enough, or I may well have gone there.

          When the oak is felled the whole forest echoes with its fall, but a hundred acorns are sown in silence by an unnoticed breeze. -Thomas Carlyle

          by rb608 on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 07:37:12 PM PDT

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          •  "lies", lol right.....and somehow everyone here (0+ / 0-)

            saw right through the "lies".

            No progressive in America believed SAddam had WMD's was a threat , or provided cover for Terrorismers.

            the reasons for war, (they change weekly of course)in a nutshell.

            and anyone with more than a jr. High education knew they were lies then, and they are lies now.

            Its a bullshit defense plain and simple.

            It was playing politics with Soldiers' lives is what it was. It was politically expedient post 9-11 to look tough on "national security".

            So lets keep the revisionist history to a minimum.

            Every Dem who voted knew that the "lies" were lies.
            After all they had access to far more info than progressives did, and we smelled the bullshit from a mile away.

            Remeber the 1million people marching across the globe right before the war?

            They knew it was bullshit, why didnt a U.S. Senator?

            •  In a word, no (0+ / 0-)

              Hyperbole aside, "everyone" here knew no such thing.  A great many people speculated correctly; but that is not the same thing as knowing.  Hell, Jeanne Dixon got stuff right too, but that doesn't really make her psychic.  If I choose the Super Bowl winner  based on an analysis of players and statistics, that doesn't equate to me "knowing" the winner in advance of the facts.

              No one here knew.  Yes; a lot of folks made the correct call based on their prior knowledge and experience; but no here one knew all of the pertinent facts; and few if any here were privy to the classified information provided to Congress.

              What we do know is that BushCo withheld facts and information from Congress as well as the American people.  We do know that intelligence was stovepiped to paint their desired scenario.  We do not know to what extent those untruths swayed the AUMF vote.  Again, just because an informen speculation was subsequently proved correct does not mean it was based on knowledge.

              My opposition to the Iraq invasion was based not on knowledge that Bush was lying; but on a conviction that negotiation was still a viable and preferable avenue.  I would have preferred that Congress shared that conviction.

              There was tremendous opposition to Iraq here prior to the invasion; but I disagree it was because everyone knew the lies were lies.  

              When the oak is felled the whole forest echoes with its fall, but a hundred acorns are sown in silence by an unnoticed breeze. -Thomas Carlyle

              by rb608 on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 04:49:24 AM PDT

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              •  truly Revisionist History right there. (0+ / 0-)

                Joe Wilson
                Bob Woodward
                Richard Clarke.....

                the list goes on and on. Books, lectures , UN inspectors, all said there were no WMD's.

                And only a lemming flip floper would have believed a word Dumbya said.

                They had the FACTS and Dumbya , and apparently people like you, had a diffrent set of facts that assumed that Iraq was guilty of that which the Chimp accused them of.

                It is well documented , the lies of this administration, and very little of it is information we didnt have in 2003.

                Truly disengenious to imply otherwise.

                And I and the thousands of anti war folks opposed it because we knew he was making shit up , fabricating a danger so he could invade. It was apparent virtually every progressive in America.

                And we knew it , because the UN told us,and Joe Wilson told us.

                So you seem to hold anti war folks to a higher standard than your prez?

                He doesnt need evidence to invade, but I need evidence that there arent WMD"S in Iraq to be "right"?

                Huh.

                the lack of Evidence was proof from the start.

                Some people just chose to ignore the writing on the wall.

  •  I wonder if they'll just go away (1+ / 0-)

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    after she's president.

    That would be cool.

    Just log on one day ... and POOF! they're gone.

  •  If I were Pelosi or Reid, bush would be (3+ / 0-)

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    rb608, neroden, kulshan

    fighting impeachment right now.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 07:14:25 PM PDT

  •  Eh, I'm still with Gravel. (1+ / 0-)

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    rb608

    More guts than Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, Obama, and Edwards put together.

    This is a test of the Emergency Free Speech System.
    This is only a test.
    If this had been an actual emergency, I'd already be locked up.

    by ben masel on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 07:18:03 PM PDT

  •  I Feel Your Pain (OW!) (2+ / 0-)

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    twalling, rb608

    I sense your frustration.

    Actually, I think Edwards is doing an amazing thing, running as well as he is with like, what, a tenth of the money?

    He has tapped into a scary place, probably no less scary than where Nancy and Harry are.  Actually, my theory is these thugs have blackmailed virtually every congresscritter; its the only thing that makes sense.

    I doubt Edwards would give Bush the time o' day, and yes, Obama seemed quite genial to Bush last night.  Much more so, dare I add, than his fellow Democrat opponent.

    But we need help, we need hope, which in theory springs eternal.

    I remain a steadfast Edwards supporter, and will stick with my man until the end.  I want him in a position of leadership in the country.  Him, Kucinich, Dodd, would all make for great appointees, but mostly him because he won't need a replacement in the Senate or House.

    I am NOT Nancy Pelosi, sir!

    ...and I don't really think that switching now in the interests of, say, party (even DK) unity is all that bad.  Nor does it seem like an apt analogy to me.

    I wonder what the candidates say about impeachment.

  •  Here's the difference, for slowpokes like you: (0+ / 0-)

    They have these things called "filibusters" in the Senate.  They have this thing called "control of the agenda" by the Speaker in the House.

    If I had those powers, I would most certainly filibuster the Presidential election, or take it off the agenda and put impeachment on the agenda instead.

    I don't.

    -5.63, -8.10 | Impeach, Convict, Remove & Bar from Office, Arrest, Indict, Convict, Imprison!

    by neroden on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 07:45:18 PM PDT

  •  them's fightin' words, rb608! (2+ / 0-)

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    Look, you can swear at my mother, you can spit on my shoes, you can even pinch my wife's sweet rump, but if you EVER call me "Pelosi" or "Reid" again, I'm gonna open up a can o' whoopass, and there will be trouble, rightcheer in River City.

    (-8.00,-7.85) "Jesus Christ was the first nonviolent revolutionary." --S. Stills

    by bubbanomics on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 07:45:37 PM PDT

  •  I agree (2+ / 0-)

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    rb608, sdgeek

    With this diary and share in the frustration. We always cry about a backbone but it must come from the bottom up not vice-versa. I am afraid our party as a whole has no backbone for a backbone. I too, don't want to see anyone cry when they get what they paid for.

    Support Ryan for Kentucky!! http://www.actblue.com/page/americansforryan

    by RDemocrat on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 08:12:15 PM PDT

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