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The End of the Beginning, 2008

Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 05:53:55 AM PDT

Four years ago, when I was just cutting my teeth as a "front pager" on a mildly successful political website (or "blog") called Daily Kos, I wrote a post on the morning of the 2004 Iowa Caucus called "The End of the Beginning."

It's a crisp, clear, cold day in Iowa.

A little over a year ago, we turned our gaze from the bitter defeat of the 2002 midterms toward a new hope -- a hope that out of our wounded party would arise a champion, a leader who would defeat Bush and return decency and sanity to the White House. Over time, nine men and one woman came forward to vie for our affection and loyalty -- some of them were new faces, some old hands. It's been a remarkable journey, one during which we've learned a lot about all of those struggling for the party's backing:

We discovered Howard Dean, who reminded a host of disillusioned Americans that there is hope at the core of politics.

We saw John Kerry anointed the nominee by the press, and then topple from his perch -- and just as we were ready to write his obituary, we saw him demonstrate a resilience that we din't know he still had, and catapult back into the heart of the race.

We took another look at Dick Gephardt, the old warhorse, who disapppointed so many of us with the last few months of his role as House leader, and we saw him reinvigorated by the campaign trail, a happy warrior for working Americans.

We watched John Edwards as he developed that awesome potential into something more, and became a bona fide contender.

And we saw the entry of a former General, Wes Clark, whose journey to our party mirrored the experience of so many Americans.

It's been a fun ride -- and tonight is the end of the beginning. A lot of questions will be answered tonight, and the race will look a lot different tomorrow.

I liked that class of candidates a lot, and I thought it important on the cusp of actual voting to pay tribute to the manner in which each of them (other than Lieberman) contributed to the campaign, and helped advance the cause of progressivism.

But I really like this class of candidates.  It amazes me when I see folks obsessing on their downsides, or hating on the entire campaign. When I look at the Democratic field, I see three Americans who could rise to become great presidents, not just good nominees.  

I see in John Edwards a genuine tribune of working America, one who cast aside his 2004 packaged Southern Dem campaign, and who has fearlessly spoken truth to power while running the most authentically pro-worker campaign in a generation.

I see in Hillary Clinton perhaps the smartest politician of my lifetime, but one with the political savvy to match her intellect, and with a steely will that makes it difficult to imagine her ever really losing -- the nomination, the presidency, or the advancement of her agenda once in the White House.

I see in Barack Obama a transformative figure who can truly move people across every spectrum -- ideological, geographical, demographic -- in a manner seen just once or twice in a lifetime, and who is deeply committed to a more humane and just America.

And I see one more candidate who won't be president, but who has shown the fortitude and the chutzpah to lead the fight for the next president's agenda in the halls of the Senate.  Because throughout this presidential campaign, with his leadership on so many issues, Chris Dodd has shown us that he might just be the right choice to take the torch from Harry Reid in the Senate.

It's been an extraordinary campaign, with extraordinary candidates.  And tonight is the end of the beginning.

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  •  Tonight is the end of the beginning... (16+ / 0-)

    THANK GOD!!!

    Lisa ;)

    Yes I know Obama isn't the perfect progressive candidate. Yes, I know that sucks. Now let's get him elected.

    by Boston to Salem on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 05:55:14 AM PDT

  •  What's nice is that we know that no matter what (5+ / 0-)

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    ablington, bethcf4p, kitebro, mcmom, Lobsters

    happens in the race between now and Nov., Bush will not be in the White House past Jan. of next year.

    This truly is the end of the beginning.

    I honor that service, and I respect [McCain's] many accomplishments, even if he chooses to deny mine. Obama 6/3/08

    by AUBoy2007 on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 05:56:52 AM PDT

  •  Great diary, TJ (11+ / 0-)

    Love the perspective.

    We're in a good place this year as a party, far better than I could have dreamed a couple of years ago. Now we just have to keep fighting.

  •  Great diary... (4+ / 0-)

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    Dallasdoc, lgmcp, mcmom, jnhobbs

    1 more year....1 more year.....

    that's it.  That's all we have to endure, an then we'll have a great Democratic President!!!

  •  We obsess on the insignificant differences... (12+ / 0-)

    ...because they're all we have to differentiate the candidates.  On the whole, this is one of the best fields any party has ever seen--even our also-rans, like Dodd and Biden and Richardson, come with incredible backgrounds and records.

    I wish Gore had run.  I wish Feingold had run.  But we certainly weren't left wanting through their absence.

    One more Justice and John McCain gets his wish.

    by JR on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 05:59:45 AM PDT

  •  Apt assessment. (3+ / 0-)

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    Oke, Sharon in MD, jnhobbs

    Tonight, things change.  They will move quickly afterwards.  Let's get to work.

  •  Well put... (6+ / 0-)

    and I hope we can all put it well behind us quickly before November.

    Dudehisattva...

    "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

    by Dood Abides on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:00:15 AM PDT

  •  way better pickings last go round (0+ / 0-)

    Clark would have been a shoe-in this go round.

  •  Complaints that FPers stayed mum due to fears of (2+ / 0-)

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    bethcf4p, Dallasdoc

    Hillary don't quite fly for me as the sole reason the FP has been less vocal on the Prez race on the Dem side.  (this convo is in diary comments)

    Your description of having a field of candidates where it is hard to pick just one out of a competitive field seems far more accurate.  The real reason people like kos and others haven't come out to support one candidate.

  •  I think we've been very fortunate (11+ / 0-)

    to have enjoyed a field of candidates this strong, talented and intelligent.

    It's easy to forget how lucky we are to have candidates we like (and like for very good reasons), especially since they're so miserable on the other side.

    "Intelligence and stupidity have no limits. Unfortunately it looks like stupidity has won" -Arsene Wenger

    by brownsox on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:02:26 AM PDT

    •  I think that's not an accident. (8+ / 0-)

      No smart Republican thinks he or she could possibly win this time.

      Only idiots and Bob Dole line up to be sacrificial lambs.

      •  Are there any smart Republicans left? (2+ / 0-)

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        Oke, jnhobbs

        I'm scratching my head, trying to think of a dream candidate the Republicans could field.  Nobody comes to mind.  

        The Republican coalition is falling apart.  It has proved that it can't govern, can't even stay together when faced with the strains of holding power.  It has coherence only in opposition, which is where it was designed.  Republicans will have a lot of rethinking to do, and will have to refashion their party from the ground up.

        We had better make sure the next four years count, because they will be back with a fresh, shiny new line of crap to peddle.  

        I can't expect to live in a democracy if I'm not prepared to do the work of being a citizen.

        by Dallasdoc on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:20:46 AM PDT

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        •  If mot for macaca (1+ / 0-)

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          Dallasdoc

          they'd have another candidate...also no dream (well not a good dream) but people talked as though he was.

          What a mess the next president will be taking over, the biggest challenge I've seen a new president have to take on.

          Oh and thank you for saying republican and not rethuglican or whatever cutesy insult we are prone to using. I do insult in my own way, using lower case letters so who am I to judge. But I feel the same aversion to our names for them as I do their stupid use of democRATS or whatever others.
          (But it would have seemed extraordinarily clever in 4th grade)

        •  I wouldn't discount the MSM's ability (0+ / 0-)

          to twist the difficulties any Democratic president will face in the coming years, particularly in regards to an economy that we have been told time and time again is "doing incredibly well." When the real s__t hits the proverbial fan, it will be in the first year of the new term; ask anyone who really knows how much of the economy is going te be devastated by the machinations of the carpet-bagger money changers in the mortgage industry.

          And when it all comes crashing down, the finger will be pointing at the new prez, unless it's a gag, choke republicant.

          I will vote for the nominee, no matter who it is, but I hope to ganesh it's John Edwards. The republicants (including me dear sainted muther) HATE trial lawyers (waa... they hurt those nice wittle tobacco companies) and having one in charge would piss them off so much that Bill Kristol will be dropping spittle all over his new NYT column.

          And remember, there is always the possibility that something "catasrophic" will prevent an election. Crazy conspiracy paranoid? Maybe, but I'm just sayin'... Cheney is legion.

          I'm ready for my close-up, Mr. DeMille...

          by OceansideDem on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 09:15:23 AM PDT

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      •  I have to disagree with that. (1+ / 0-)

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        bethcf4p

        I think McCain could win and quite easily, if we pick Hillary and Crazy Uncle Ron goes 3rd party.

        I know everybody's excited, but the Repubs have a better track record at presidential elections the last 40 years than the Dems do.  And if they are faced with the likelihood of further losses in Congress, they will pull out all the stops to hold the presidency.  And you know what "pull out all the stops" means to the Repubs.

        Enterpriser; Hard core Libertarian: +6.63 / -4.41

        by jimsaco on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 07:14:48 AM PDT

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        •  re:Crazy Ron (0+ / 0-)

          Can anyone cite evidence that a third-party run by Ron Paul would help the Republican nominee?  I know his strong anti-war stance aligns him with most Democrats and Independents, but my sense is that his strongest support comes from libertarian conservatives and xenophobes.

          I'm inclined to be excited by the prospect of Ron Paul taking all his fundraising dollars and going third-party, especially if McCain is the nominee.  McCain is absolutely reviled by anti-immigration folks.  Paul could help tip the scales in a lot of battleground states.

          •  my experience (0+ / 0-)

            of RP supporters is that the majority are attracted to him because of the bright line antiwar position.

            You raise a good point about immigration though.  RP apparently has an ad running that Tancredo could have written.  If RP is the "bash the brown people" candidate too, that would indeed draw Repub votes.

            Enterpriser; Hard core Libertarian: +6.63 / -4.41

            by jimsaco on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 07:36:15 AM PDT

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        •  We shouldn't discout them one bit! (1+ / 0-)

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          pelagicray

          Plenty of people still want to vote Republican. We were unfortunate to see that lately with a Congressional race here in Virginia.

  •  How dare you.. (4+ / 0-)

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    bethcf4p, AUBoy2007, mcmom, mayim

    naah, just kidding.

    I love the field. And Chris Dodd has shown me something, too!

    :)

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  •  Hey, you can't do that! (10+ / 0-)

    You said something nice about all three candidates, I think that violates the site rules or something.  You should probably be TRed.

    "They're trying to fool you. They're trying to scare you. And they're not telling you the truth." Obama '08

    by bawbie on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:03:35 AM PDT

  •  2004 (3+ / 0-)

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    bethcf4p, Heart of the Rockies, mcmom

    We all know how ineffective the blogosphere turned out last time--because we focused on the wrong race.  The power could/should be congressional leaders.  Ours have turned 2006 victory into defeat.  We can have power in caucuses--Dem party ones.  Any wannabe will only be a good president if there's good strong congressional leadership.

    Barney Frank and Dodd are the important ones.

  •  asdf (12+ / 0-)

    But I really like this class of candidates.

    Agree with this comment 100%. My problem is with the partisans who very obviously don't.

    Today should be a celebration of a Democratic field with a strength in depth that is awe inspiring but it won't, it will be a day of unsupported moronic insults, opinions stated as fact and desired scenarios  stated as real.

    Please people take a step back from the process, just for a minute and smell the roses. Enjoy being part of a potentialy great party.

  •  Spot on -- and Dodd for Reid: YES (6+ / 0-)

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    bethcf4p, annan, Luetta, mcmom, mayim, dogheaven

    Loved your thumbnail takes on the Top Three -- and whichever one wins, should he or she also get elected, having Chris Dodd watching his or her back -- wow!

  •  Netroots frame? (0+ / 0-)

    We saw John Kerry anointed the nominee by the press, and then topple from his perch --

    Interesting parallel between Kerry/Dean and Clinton/Edwards. Is the netroots' need for such a framing--the anointed vs. the populist maverick--the reason why it has been shoehorned into this race with Clinton/Edwards?

    I mean, it's always a facile misdirection to blame the press for reality--politicos of all stripes do it--but especially ridiculous this time around, considering the kind of press treatment Hillary has gotten over the years. And Dean and Edwards are hardly radical outsiders. But I suppose it fits a narrative.

    •  Obama's not in that analogy (0+ / 0-)

      Which is why I like his candidacy. He seems to me to be going beyond the right-left uni-dimensional framework. It doesn't jibe with the netroots plan, but it is closer to the 50-state plan, imho.

      But anyway, they're all fantastic (yes, Edwards too) and I'm proud of the Democratic party today!

  •  I would almost give the R's the WH in 2008 (1+ / 0-)

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    mayim

    if I could get Dodd as Majority Leader and Charlie Rangel as Speaker.

    Also, let's not look at the other talent in the field. Joe Biden has established himself as probably the most intelligent politician of his generation, and he probably has another three terms in him. Bill Richardson...I don't care who wins next November. Democrat or Republican - I want Richardson being sworn in as Secretary of State next January. He is desperately needed to serve America abroad and revitalize our diplomatic corps.

    But you're right about the top three, TJ. In any other campaign we'd be hitting our knees in thanks for just one of them. To have a field this deep is amazing and a great sign for the future of the progressive movement.

  •  Wow, Trapper, I see big $$$$ for you (3+ / 0-)

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    joynow, mcmom, mayim

    working for Procter and Gamble.  Your descriptions of each candidate are so convincing, I think you ahould be paid to do the same for soap, deodorant and athletes foot cures.

    We have nothing to fear but fervor itself-from both sides

    by makes you think on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:09:55 AM PDT

  •  Great post, TJ (3+ / 0-)

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    bethcf4p, michele2, mcmom

    We all worked very hard for this, and whatever happens from here on, we can be proud of bringing up such a great set of candidates.

    That steely will you attribute to Clinton, should apply to all of us. We're not going to lose this one.

    •  here! here! (0+ / 0-)

      I'm going to be happy to vote for any of them. Not just happy, frikkin delerious. Intelligence in the White House, a mere dream for the past 7 years. And might I add, I'm looking forward to a new with it press secretary!

      Let's go get 'em!

      The White House needs a new tenant. Barack Obama '08.

      by michele2 on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:02:20 AM PDT

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  •  I Have a Dodd Sticker on My Car... (4+ / 0-)

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    joynow, kitebro, Ken in MN, dogheaven

    ...but the idea of him running the Senate is sooooo appealing!

    Support the Netroots Candidates! A VETO-PROOF majority in 2008!!!

    by InquisitiveRaven on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:11:25 AM PDT

  •  Thanks, Trapper! Very moving! (4+ / 0-)

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    bethcf4p, joynow, xanthe, michele2
  •  Hey, TJ! (2+ / 0-)

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    bethcf4p, sardonyx

    Remember the days when you were the only Gephardt supporter, and I the only one for Edwards?  Seems like a lifetime ago.

    Happy caucus day, old friend.

  •  Hope you're wrong and Dodd in (1+ / 0-)

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    rhutcheson

    fourth place will still have a chance.

    How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

    by hannah on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:14:10 AM PDT

  •  Here's to Chris Dodd! (6+ / 0-)

    I'd be honored to have him represent me in whatever capacity he chooses. I liked him before, but I love him now.

  •  New Year's Video: Joe Biden - Stand With Me (0+ / 0-)

    http://www.youtube.com/... /

    Joe Biden: I want this Fight - I Relish this Fight ( General Election ) I Can Win This Fight!

  •  Bless your heart, really thanks (0+ / 0-)

    your view of the candidates is a relief and hopeful, a perspective shifter.

    I wrote in response to someone bashing some group that I hope for the country's sake that the supporters of all candidates are right about their candidate.

    But even better I say now may your vision of them be true.
    (And may Dodd be majority leader!)

  •  Yawn...... (0+ / 0-)

    We should not be patting ourselves on the back for this field of candidates.  Bush is out in a year.  That is a given. And unless Jesus himself comes down on national TV and touches the sleeve of one of the GOP, we probably will win.  But because we continue to focus on how to win elections and not on true leadership, we risk a third party entry that will once again steal a significant number of votes from this field.  People are tired of "smart politicians".  We will probably still win as the GOP is so disorganized...  But in a time when real leadership is needed, this is it???

    "We freeze in the ice of our own conservatism, and the world congeals around us"

    by grettadog on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:24:55 AM PDT

    •  Huh? Real leaders that lose elections aren't. (0+ / 0-)

      But because we continue to focus on how to win elections and not on true leadership

      Yeah, I'd like better leaders, but too often this is a code word (particularly in partisan blogs) for a leader of some slice of the electorate that will never win a general election.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 09:33:15 AM PDT

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  •  Take nothing for granted (5+ / 0-)

    My fellow Democrats.  Whoever wins tonight, don't rest until we see a Democrat take the oath of office!

  •  Really Noew (1+ / 0-)

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    Heart of the Rockies

    I see in Hillary Clinton perhaps the smartest politician of my lifetime, but one with the political savvy to match her intellect, and with a steely will that makes it difficult to imagine her ever really losing -- the nomination, the presidency, or the advancement of her agenda once in the White House.

    After Hillary's spectacularly poor performance with the universal health care debacle in 1994, it's hard to see her as a person who will advance anything but her own political interest with "steely will." Fighting for issues that are important to ordinary working Americans? Not so much.

    I will troop off to vote for her in November if she's nominee. But her interests are not the interests of ordinary citizens.

    •  Let's leave a feel good diary alone (0+ / 0-)

      I disagree with Trapper John's assessment of Hillary's political skills (I think Bill Clinton would too), and I hate the way she handles herself, but let's agree that all of the Democratic candidates are far more worthy than any of the Republicans.

    •  b - she was new to national politics (1+ / 0-)

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      carrieboberry

      then; she was naive and as usual, the republicans had a mean and successful thrashing machine.  I'll take her rather than any Republican president.  As well, some presidents rise to their office - we can hope.  It will be a team presidency - that is a bit troubling, as Bill is not on the ticket.  But this is probably true of many presidential candidates now -

      My companion says she caved and learned her lessons well - won't make that one again.  Truly, I don't know.  I admire her.  As I said in another post today, I would have been crushed by what she's been dished.  she's tough and she has been vetted.

      She's not my #1 choice btw but would certainly vote for her.

      Democrats, Make it Work. You have until November to bring your electorate in.

      by xanthe on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:45:18 AM PDT

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  •  And as we rightfully salute this "class" (1+ / 0-)

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    Helena Handbag

    I'd like to put in a salute for Bill Richardson, too.  He's been a decent governor for NM, a good friend to my gay-rights interests, and despite a few shortcomings on the campaign trail, he's been a credible and visible presidential candidate -- good enough to be bandied frequently as a VP or SOS pick.  

    Here's to the nation's first Hispanic presidential contender.  All this talk about the hot-button immigration issue is the flip side of the coin -- maybe those scary brown people are so darn scary because some of them have arrived!

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:28:03 AM PDT

  •  What beautiful - and accurate - (0+ / 0-)

    summations of each of theses candidates strengths

    Better beans and bacon in peace than cakes and ale in fear... Aesop

    by mr crabby on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:29:55 AM PDT

  •  THANK YOU, all of these diaries on the Rec list (0+ / 0-)

    which can be summed up:

    -Edwards hung the moon
    -Obama is great/sucks
    Hillary is the AntiChrist

    are stupid.  ANY one of them would be great.  And I also think our 2nd tier candidates, like BIDEN and RICHARDSON, are amazingly respected and qualified.

    It's about time we had some winners.

    The Seminole Democrat
    A blue voice calling from the deep red

    by SemDem on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:36:47 AM PDT

  •  Question for Hillary supporters (0+ / 0-)

    This is hypothetical at this point so don't get all uppity and ignore the question.

    Let's say that Iowa goes thus:  1) Obama, 2) Edwards, 3) Clinton.  Then let's say that the same thing happens in New Hampshire.  If that happens, I cannot help but think that this would induce a nosedive for Clinton - the traditional media/punditocracy would be all over how Hillary is dying, etc.  Let us suppose that the result is that Hillary simply can't pull enough wins for the nom and must drop out.  My bet is she would then toss her support behind Obama.

    Myself, I support Edwards.  We NEED a populist President at this point to ROLL BACK all the corporate crap that has been shoved down our throats for too many decades...but I digress.  You Hillary supporters out there.  IF Hillary were to have to drop out and she then tossed her support to Obama would you current Clinton supporters obey her command and go for Obama or would you scatter to the winds and go with others in the Dem field?  Edwards?  Biden?  Dodd?

    Seriously, if Edwards can actually pull an upset (of the punditocracy, mostly) and actually win some early caucuses and primaries so as to be legitimately competitive for the nom with Obama, he faces the very real problem of Clinton tossing her support against him.  How many Clinton supporters would actually follow her lead and turn such a hypothetical endorsement of Obama into an actual surge of support for Obama?  How many would go the way of your own conscious or heart and NOT go with Obama?

    I'm curious so let's hear it.  Honestly, not emotionally.

    "Events are in the saddle and ride mankind." --Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by Terminus Est on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:40:23 AM PDT

    •  Here's my take (2+ / 0-)

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      carrieboberry, Pd

      I feel Hillary has the best shot at 'rolling back all this corporate crap'(Yes, I really do believe that). If at some point she had to leave the race, I would have to re-evaluate who I thought would get RESULTS. Right now I'm a little more with Obama, Hillary's endorsement of either candidate would not matter to me.

      We NEED a populist President at this point to ROLL BACK all the corporate crap that has been shoved down our throats for too many decades

      Love that "power of the purse!" It looks so nice up there on the mantle (and not the table) next to the "subpoena power."

      by Sacramento Dem on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:52:19 AM PDT

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    •  an honest answer (3+ / 0-)

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      carrieboberry, Pd, Hairy Legs

      honestly?

      if Hillary comes in third in Iowa, it's bad, but not fatal.

      if Hillary comes in third in BOTH Iowa and New Hampshire, it's really, really bad. But I still don't think it's fatal.

      Even if she comes in third in both races, I still see her staying in the race until Feb. 5.

      what would joe rauh do?

      by nbutter on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 07:46:33 AM PDT

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    •  I don't think Hillary would ever quit - (0+ / 0-)

      no matter what, she'd be out there campaigning until the end. (And I'd be ready to stand up for her - my state, WA, is one of the last states.)

      IF, (and I find this highly unlikely, as I said), she drops out... I'd probably go for Biden, maybe Richardson. (But then, if she drops out, they've likely dropped out before her.)

      If it's between Edwards and Obama... it doesn't matter whom she endorses (I don't think she would endorse anyway)... I'd likely just stay home. I think Edwards is a big fake, and Obama is way too inexperienced. I can't decide which is worse.

      Everything is true in some sense, false in some sense, and meaningless in another sense. - Camden Benares

      by Hairy Legs on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 11:06:12 AM PDT

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  •  Amen. (0+ / 0-)

    It's a neighborly day in this beautywood. Relentless!

    by ablington on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:42:21 AM PDT

  •  I wish I could see all that greatness (0+ / 0-)

    in this year's candidates...

  •  Thanks so much, Trapper John (1+ / 0-)

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    dewley notid

    for putting my feelings into words, right down to the great admiration I've developed for Chris Dodd.  I spent the holidays with my elderly mom who has been completely won over by him (thanks to his great courage and good sense, as well as all those heartfelt emails sent by Tim Tagaris :o) Dodd for Majority Leader!

    We have an 'embarrassment of riches' of presidential candidates on our side, and the Repubs just have embarrassments. Stop all the sniping, people. This is going to be FUN!

    My mama named me Helena Hussein Handbag. What about it?

    by Helena Handbag on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:52:27 AM PDT

  •  My only quibble (2+ / 0-)

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    tnichlsn, Helena Handbag

    Chris Dodd has shown us that he might just be the right choice to take the torch from Harry Reid in the Senate

    I thought this was abso-F***ing-lutely obvious.

    Love that "power of the purse!" It looks so nice up there on the mantle (and not the table) next to the "subpoena power."

    by Sacramento Dem on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:55:03 AM PDT

  •  Trap, I miss your labor updates. (1+ / 0-)

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    sardonyx

    That last go `round, your insights into union and labor politics were superb. I think we need more labor reporting on the site. I hope you'll add some more pieces from time to time on labor and union issues.

  •  What is Dodd's stand on Impeachment? (0+ / 0-)

    I want a Senate majority leader who understands that Congress and our nation are under attack by the Vice President's unitary executive (i.e. dictatorship) theories. We cannot allow a president, of either party, who is allowed to pick and choose what laws to obey and which to repeatedly violate, all while spitting in the face of congress.

  •  Partially Agree (0+ / 0-)

    John Edwards . . . .  while running the most authentically pro-worker campaign in a generation.

    But does he mean it or is it a strategy just to win the nomination?

    Hillary Clinton perhaps the smartest politician of my lifetime . . .  

    You must have been born after 2000 because you missed one – HER HUSBAND. What makes her a smart politician? She was handed the Democratic nomination for Senator to replace Pat Moynihan and Iowa is her first real challenge as a politician. The latest poll has her coming in third. Not so smart.

    Barack Obama a transformative figure who can truly move people across every spectrum -- ideological, geographical, demographic -- in a manner seen just once or twice in a lifetime, and who is deeply committed to a more humane and just America.

    I agree with you here but on what can we base the commitment you speak of?

    Chris Dodd has shown us that he might just be the right choice to take the torch from Harry Reid in the Senate.

    You are right and we do need to see a better majority leader. But Dodd also would have been the best choice for President.

    •  re:I Think (2+ / 0-)

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      Trapper John was referring not to political savvy but to actual intelligence, and I'd be inclined to agree.

      A college friend of mine grew up in Little Rock the '80's.  It's a small city, and everyone knew the Clintons.  Plus, his family attended the same Methodist church as the Clintons, and saw lots of Hillary in adult Sunday school classes and such.  Back in '92, my friend told me that Bill was extremely smart, but that Hillary was brilliant.  I believe he said, "Bill thinks in complete sentences, but Hillary thinks in paragraphs."  For what it's worth, he followed his assessment of Bill by saying that no one in Little Rock was really sure that he had a soul--if everything he said and did was just political calculation.

      •  Great Insight (0+ / 0-)

        Thanks for the insight. It certainly captures the difference between the two Clintons. You have to wonder if any politician has a soul since everything they do is calculated.

        The way I look at Hillary is what would she have done had she never met Bill Clinton. I believe she would have been anything from a high powered attorney to probably a very successful corporate CEO. But not a politician. Maybe because she has a soul.

  •  I see John McCain as (0+ / 0-)

    the guy who hugged Bush. The rest of the GOP candidates are even weaker. C'mon November!

    John McCain - Fifty-four Forty or Fight!

    by kitebro on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 07:19:57 AM PDT

  •  I agree- we have a GREAT field (0+ / 0-)

    I have been amazed with the shortsightedness displayed on this site regarding all 3 candidates.

    Hillary:  Do you really believe, given her Top 20 liberal ranking, that she won't advance most progressive causes as President?  Having a woman President is cause for celebration.

    Obama:  I think he's playing Bush's game and campaigning as a "uniter" who is probably the most genuinely progressive person we've ever come close to electing.

    Edwards:  He has delivered what I believe is the winning message for 2008 and I hope if he's not the nominee the nominee listens to what he is saying.

    Bush will be impeached.

    by jgkojak on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 07:26:21 AM PDT

  •  amen, thank you (0+ / 0-)

    I agree wholeheartedly. I'm supporting one candidate, but I don't mind when I call a NH voter and they say they are supporting another. At least it's a Democrat.

    Oh, and I have so fallen in love with Chris Dodd over this past year. I only knew him as a name, "the other Senator from CT". But I am so impressed by him now. I hope he continues to show great leadership in the Senate.

    I'm just buzzing with anticipation about tonight!

  •  The New York Times loved Trapper John's (0+ / 0-)

    headline so much it even stole it!

    The headline is about midway down the page.

  •  i will be very proud and happy with any of them (1+ / 0-)

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    I'd love to support either Barack Obama or John Edwards as the Democratic nominee for President.

    I'd be even happier to keep supporting Hillary Clinton -- I think she'd be the best at accomplishing the important things our country and the world need us to do, and I think she's the best fighter we have for the general election.

    But I totally agree with the sentiment of the post: any of our top three candidates would be a wonderful nominee, and a great president.

    And yes, it's great that Dodd will have bolstered his authority in the Senate!

    what would joe rauh do?

    by nbutter on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 07:41:18 AM PDT

  •  Very Nice. Kudos. n/t (0+ / 0-)

  •  Preaching to the choir? (0+ / 0-)

    Even with the differences amongst candidate support that surfaces in the diaries, for the vast majority of KosDems, any one of the top three candidates would be great, after 8 years of Retardlican thuggery. What the heck, I would even vote for Denis Kucinich over any of the Retards running today!

    But whether the rest of the country - actually, majority of Dems, and a large fraction of Independents, and a smattering of Retards - also see all three candidates as capable of being good/great presidents - that remains to be seen. I see skepticism amongst my apolitical friends, perhaps born of genuine ignorance of the political pulse of this country today, of Hillary and Obama. I would be delighted if they are completely wrong. But that can't be ignored, because in the general election, non KosDems vote too!

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    by Suvro on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:09:33 AM PDT

  •  Thank you traper john (0+ / 0-)

    you were one of the first I read faithfully when I was a newbie. It is good to see you posting here.
    It was refreshing that at least one FP'er could write an article today with degrading Iowa and Iowans.
    Todays Iowans didn't create this system.For as much power as both parties have if it didn't benefit someone outside of Iowa it sure as hell would have been changed years ago.
    But it sure as hell isn't benefiting the people that are being insulated and demeaned in front page postings, diaries, and comments here.

    I didn't even go through the comment thread because as an Iowan my thick skin is getting worn thin by some of these comments.
    Thank God this is over tomorrow.  
    Oh yeah, I am off to represent my fellow Americans here. I have anguished over this choice in a responsible, productive manner to reach the best decision I can believe in. That is my duty to myself and my fellow Americans in these UNITED States, your welcome.
    I still care about my fellow Americans, especially the ones I have come to know here, even if they are in full high school mode on a few threads today.

  •  It will be the end... (0+ / 0-)

    ...of the Democrat Party as the party of middle class, working an cosumming Americans if the queen of corporate America gets the nomination. It will become totally what it almost is now, the party of a small minority of Neo-Liberal/Limo-Liberal (no real important differences with Neo-Conservatives) elitists.

    Health care will go to a super HMO conglomerate of big insurance corporations who are now backing Ms Clinton (many of the same ones who opposed her last attempt at health care during Bill’s rule) and its current problems will continue and intensify. Try as you may you will never sell Ms Clinton to an old line Democrat(since the early sixties) like myself...I know better. Bill Clinton badly damaged the Democratic Party and lost it its control over Congress.  Now he and Hillary want to finish the job (intentional or not) on the Democrat party with their elitist, corporate favoring Globalist, arse kissing policies. I'd voter rather for Ron Paul and his wacko philosophy, because he is at least honest about the policies he would try to pursue nutty as some of them are. Bill Clinton was and is a liar, a Republican lite charlatan and Hillary is no better.

    The establishment and it's media picked Kerry last time and you see what that wrought...Bush again. I tell you if the DC establishment gets Hillary, who they have been pushing in the Democratic primary, then they won't care who wins the general because they will have already won the general election, as it is impossible for the Republicans to nominate a candidate independent of that DC establishment.

    What this Democrat primary (forget the Republican Primary it is already sewed up no mater who wins) is about is will the Washington DC political establishment control the next administration or will it be responsive to the people who actually vote for and elect the president?

    As for my self, I know who among the Democrat Candidates are establishment candidates (it is easy to know that, just follow the money and major media coverage, or lack of it) and who wants to try to represent the vast majority of the American, working, consuming citizens and voters. It's really a no brainier and nobody however articulate, however clever they think they are is going to soft soap me into supporting yet another corporate, elitist, globalist clone paraded as a Democrat.

    This is a non negotiable issue and position for myself and a great many others who are fed up with the same old disastrous, middle class destroying, economic opportunity killing, Bill of Rights degrading domestic and foreign/trade policies backed both the Republican and Democratic leadership who are in the bag for the corporate, Globalist, ownership management class.

    A quarter century of greedy disastrous, elitist enriching policies is enough. It is time for a real change not just hypocritical calling for change when none is intended.

    The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana

    by Bobjack23 on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 02:57:18 PM PDT

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