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Reminder: Most voters HAVE NO CLUE

Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 07:54:30 AM PDT

On a Yahoo Games chat board just now, the kind of random "conversation" that pops up all the time:

    "Looks like the Repubs have chosen McCain"

    "He's better than Obama, but worse than Clinton"

My first reaction = "Excuse me?" Is there really anyone in the political world, of any stripe, who would rank their Presidential preferences (1) Hillary Clinton, (2) John McCain, (3) Barack Obama?

But then I come back to the most basic axiom that we should never lose sight of throughout our discussions and theorizing on these matters: Most voters have absolutely no clue what is really going on in politics.

An even more disturbing example came yesterday, when my moderate-conservative brother and his wife were visiting.  They follow the horse-race of the primaries probably more than the average voter.  They both revealed that they would consider voting for Obama in the general election if he is nominated, although they would also consider McCain.  Fine, much of the country is probably going to be on that fence.  They wouldn't consider Hillary, however: too unlikeable or something.  Fine, that's also typical.  (They're also sick of Bush, having supported him in the past, which is also a reassuring trend.)

But then came the kicker.  The guy they were really excited by, and were disappointed that he dropped out, was Fred Thompson!  He was the one candidate they could have really gotten behind.  

Again, my (unexpressed) reaction: "Um, excuse me??"

You see, a huge percentage of voters simply DO NOT pay attention to things like ideology, consistency on issues, even party affiliation, especially when it comes to Presidential politics.  They vote based on the "feeling" that a candidate gives them, his/her image and style, and of course, whatever key sound bites or gaff or moment comes to define that candidate in the media ("I was for it before I was against it"; the "scream"; "Gore invented the Internet"; "There you go again"; etc.)

I can't claim to understand all the thoughts underlying any particular group of voters' subconscious decision process.  In the case of my brother and his wife, I think it may be as simple as: "Thompson seemed like a kind of Reaganesque father figure, he would bring some maturity and sense to the White House.  But if he's not around, well maybe it is time after all to elect one of those unfortunate black folk to be President, and Obama is so clean-cut after all.  Not that Hillary, though: she's so shrill and deceptive, I wouldn't want to have to look at her for the next four years.  McCain?  Well, he does talk straight, but what about that whole illegal immigration thing?  Hmm.  I wonder who'll win American Gladiator this week."

Similar disjointed connections percolate throughout the electorate, and it is those politicians and their machines that are best able to manipulate, anticipate, and respond to the undercurrents of public sentiment, irrational and unpredictable as it can be, who will be most successful, especially at the Presidential level.  This is why we can call both Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan geniuses.  In the case of GW Bush, and of so many other politicians of recent eras, particularly Republicans, the winning mantra has been to play only on fears and suspicions, recognizing how easily the public can be scared into voting even against their own interests and better judgment.  But in the absence of a looming Soviet or Al Qaeda boogie man, the subtle trends and influences, and images and moments, that will determine our next President will be very difficult to pinpoint.

Where do "we" fit in, the political junkies populating progressive blogs, arguing among ourselves over largely irrelevant absurdities like whether Barack "snubbed" Hillary or Clinton deviously "played the race card", when we should know full well that not one whiff of such nonsense makes it into the minds of voters who will actually decide this election?  I think, collectively, we actually can have a minor influence on the framing of public perceptions, especially awareness of the big-picture, such as the rampant corruption and incompetence in the Bush administration and the Republican Party.  The more we hammer away at such frames, the more likely they are to penetrate a few layers down into the uninformed and disinterested masses.  

And that's the real downside of the campaign infighting that has infested this place, and the Democratic Party.  By denigrating our own candidates, we give life to memes that will fester and grow among the general electorate, and come back to haunt us in November.  Fortunately, for the moment, the Republicans are caught up in their own internecine battles, so there may be a standoff in terms of perceptions of the future, damaged nominees.  

But if the Republicans do settle quickly on McCain, which appears more likely than the prospect of the Democrats soon resolving their nomination in either direction, and if our intra-party warfare continues unabated through March and April and May, the net effect could be devastating, regardless of whether Hillary or Barack wins in the end.  Those faceless millions who, today, may be on the fence between a theoretical McCain and Obama or Clinton may find themselves leaning ever more toward the Republican, who will be mending fences and sharpening his swords, maliciously agreeing with every attack that both Democrats helpfully unleash on each other, doing his dirty work for him.

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  •  Disclosure (4+ / 0-)

    To make my points, I've disrespectfully simplified my family's political views above, which, if by chance they were to read this, would be unfairly insulting, as I know they have more considered opinions than this.  And I don't think they really watch American Gladiator.  They are NASCAR fans, however.

    Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set... -- Gandalf

    by dnta on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 07:55:08 AM PDT

  •  we've got the government we deserve (2+ / 0-)

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    And apparently, the bulk of the electorate (WHY do these ignorami vote??) has still not learned the incredibly important and basic lesson that picking a pretzeldent should NEVER be about fu*%ing likeability.
    I see nothing changing in this dynamic until major media and electoral reforms happen, on the heels of a major rededication to education in social science and history.
    So we will continue to get the governments we deserve.

    On Liberation Day, 1/20/09, Americans will greet us with flowers and candy

    by kamarvt on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 08:00:46 AM PDT

    •  Slow down, there (1+ / 0-)

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      "why do these ignorami vote"?  

      Many people who vote for progressive candidates are also "ignorant", and vote based on things like the candidate's race or gender or affiliation with relevant causes.  Representative democracy does do better with an informed citizenry, and the problem of media manipulation is one of the major drawbacks of our current system.  But I would be happy just to know that people vote their own self-interest, even without understanding much detail about the nuances of policies and ideology.

      Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set... -- Gandalf

      by dnta on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 08:09:58 AM PDT

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  •  Some good points (1+ / 0-)

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    But the "race card" and the "snub", as dished out in the media, are the ingredients that go into those superficial conclusions. Nobody actually remembers specifically what went into their image that Clinton is "manipulative" or Obama is "arrogant"; but those repetitve sound bites are what did it.

    •  You're right (1+ / 0-)

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      and these are the kinds of memes that are worrying me, as they can be amplified in the GE.  Not the specifics but the tone and general impressions.

      Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set... -- Gandalf

      by dnta on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 08:19:07 AM PDT

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  •  agreed: no clue (4+ / 0-)

    I have to agree with this.  Most voters do not have a clue, so it is our job to educate them.
    In 2004 I spent 3 weeks prior to the election going door to door in Florida (I'm from Texas) talking about the issues and getting voters to think about what the election means.  There is no other way to do it.  We cannot look at politics through our own eyes and say it is obvious that right-thinking people will agree with our candidate.  If only they were smart like us, they'd know to pick X, Y or Z.  It takes getting one-on-one with the electorate in intimate settings.

    That said, there are plenty of people who know something has seriously gone wrong in this country in the past 7 years that needs correcting.  It will take all of us to get out and convince them that the Democratic party will address their concerns and correct the mistakes of the past 7 years.

    I don't like the message of bipartisanship at this point in time.  These problems didn't occur because people couldn't hold the hand of someone across the aisle.  What needs to be done is to point out very clearly on a personal basis how the Republican policies have directly affected their lives and will affect the lives of their children.  It can be done, but as GWB says, "HARD WORK".

    And I didn't vote for Kerry in the primary.

    •  Yes, it's the Republican ideology (0+ / 0-)

      Too many voters, I fear, will simply associate their negative perception of the current state of the country with the Bush administration, and convince themselves that a McCain administration would be a "fresh start".  They need to be reminded, as often and clearly as possible, that this is Republicanism, period.  A different guy with a different attitude and personality, spouting the same bullshit beliefs, will yield the same bullshit results.

      Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set... -- Gandalf

      by dnta on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 08:22:33 AM PDT

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  •  Somehow the idea (1+ / 0-)

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    of Americans taking responsibility for maintaining their own republic has been lost.

    Most do not even take the time to vote.

    In our fast food, instant garatification society, many have allowed others to do the thinking for them.

    FOX News, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter...have succeded in convincing the ill informed they have their best interests at heart.

    At this point in our republic's history it is definitely bread and circuses time.

    "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor liberty to purchase power." B. Franklin

    by istari5th on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 08:18:35 AM PDT

  •  Most people consider themselves "informed" (2+ / 0-)

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    Catte Nappe, istari5th

    Even when they're really not.   Your average Joe Sixpack sees the headlines in his paper on the way to work, or watches Katie or Brian or one of the other babblers and considers himself "informed."

    Who was Bush_Horror2004, anyway?

    by Dartagnan on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 08:22:58 AM PDT

    •  or they "just know" (1+ / 0-)

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      Many of these people will defend their opinion (at least in their own mind) with little more than a "gut" feeling, ignoring the fact that they have been influenced and manipulated by the campaigns and the media.  They will hold blatantly contradictory opinions -- for example, wanting lower taxes but more Government services -- without batting an eyelash.  The challenge, however, is not simply to point out their ignorance or faulty thinking, but to redirect those gut instincts toward a more progressive viewpoint.

      Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set... -- Gandalf

      by dnta on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 08:26:21 AM PDT

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      •  The greatest challenge (1+ / 0-)

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        is to overcome their natural propensity towards greed.  The Republicans play the greed card so well with their anti-tax rhetoric.   I think greed even trumps security as a motivator.

        Who was Bush_Horror2004, anyway?

        by Dartagnan on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 08:30:55 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, I wish we could return to "community" (1+ / 0-)

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          It seems there was a time when most Americans could be expected to think of the needs of their fellow citizens over their own.  Then the Republicans came up with the idea that it's all about YOU, screw the other guy, and we'll help you do it.

          Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set... -- Gandalf

          by dnta on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 08:33:51 AM PDT

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      •  Contradictory opinions, oh yeah! (1+ / 0-)

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        In particular, majorities or Bush supporters incorrectly assumed that he supports multilateral approaches to various international issues, including the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) (69 percent), the land mine treaty (72 percent), and the Kyoto Protocol to curb greenhouse gas emissions that contribute to global warming (51 percent).

        In August, two thirds of Bush supporters also said they believed that Bush supported the International Criminal Court (ICC), although in the latest poll, that figure dropped to a 53 percent majority, even though Bush explicitly denounced the ICC in the most widely watched nationally televised debate of the campaign in late September.

        In all of these cases, majorities of Bush supporters said they favored the positions that they imputed, incorrectly, to Bush.

        http://www.commondreams.org/...

  •  Most people, I imagine, (1+ / 0-)

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    consider themselves to be of above average intelligence, better looking than most and within the stated guidelines for their weight.

    America never tortures, global warming is a hoax, and we are only spying on the terrorists.

    The right wing noise machine reaffirms preconceptions such as these.

    It makes it easier to convince them nationalism is indeed patriotism.

    "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor liberty to purchase power." B. Franklin

    by istari5th on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 08:34:59 AM PDT

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