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Oh, THAT kind of "cataclysmic fight to the death!" NOW I get it!

Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 01:54:50 PM PDT

Right-wing blogworld is abuzz with something we here haven't heard a great deal about: the possibility that George W. Bush may issue an executive order directing federal agencies not to execute spending directives designated as "earmarks" in the recently-signed omnibus appropriations bill. The idea appears to have surfaced first, perhaps unsurprisingly, at the Heritage Foundation.

The vehicle of the executive order got a brief mention a day later in the Washington Post's coverage of Bush's general (alleged) dissatisfaction with the number and cost of those earmarks, but it's not entirely clear from what the White House has said whether or not they believe an executive order is necessary to do this.

Calling Congress irresponsible for lumping 11 spending bills into a single, 1,400-page measure nearly three months into the fiscal year, he added, "Another thing that's not responsible is the number of earmarks that Congress included." While Congress "made some progress" curbing pet projects, he said that "they have not made enough progress."

Bush said he asked Jim Nussle, director of the Office of Management and Budget, to draft possible actions to take, but he would not elaborate. One option, aides said, would be to ignore the vast majority of earmarks that are included only in conference reports rather than in the appropriations bill itself.

As with most of this Congress' exercises of "power," this "administration's" first instinct is simply to ignore it, and for the "unitary executive" to exercise its "inherent power" to just direct the agencies not to spend the money as outlined by Congress. Can they do that? Well, in their world, of course, they can and will do anything they want until some larger force makes them stop.

But what about in the real world? Here's what the Congressional Research Service (CRS) has to say (PDF):

Most of these earmarks, however, are included in the Senate and House Appropriations Committees’ reports explaining a measure as reported. These earmarks are also frequently included in the managers’ joint explanatory statement (or managers’ statement) that accompanies the conference report.  Committee reports and managers’ statements do not have statutory force; departments and agencies are not legally bound by their declarations.  These documents do, however, explain congressional intent and frequently have effect because departments and agencies must justify their budget requests annually to the Appropriations Committees. [Emphasis added.]

Note that this is something we addressed in a slightly different context back in July, when we were looking at how effective a hypothetical defunding of the Iraq occupation might be. Another CRS report, "A Defense Budget Primer" (PDF) told us:

In a strict legal sense nothing requires DOD to adhere either to the recommendations in congressional reports or to its own program budget proposals in spending money appropriated by Congress at the line item level.

That's pretty much true of most earmarks and applicable to the other agencies as well. But if they're not binding, what makes them stick under normal circumstances? The first CRS report cited above (titled "Earmarks and Limitations in Appropriations Bills") tells us the agencies comply because they must justify their budget requests to Congress each year. The  "Defense Budget Primer" puts it in more concrete terms:

A failure to spend funds in accordance with the detailed justification materials and committee reports, however, could cause Congress to lose confidence in the requests and might result in reduced appropriations or in line item appropriations acts.

George W. Bush, of course, does not give a shit about what happens to next year's appropriations. And frankly, I can't imagine that he'd be all that worried about the agencies being punished by Congress even if he weren't on his way out of office next year, because no one on Capitol Hill has given him any reason to expect any kind of serious, constitutional-level pushback on anything, anyway.

It's also worth noting that we've been down this road before, so it can't come as a complete shock. NRO's Phil Kerpen notes that this move has precedent. And, surprise! It comes from the Reagan administration. So this sort of power-grabbing, it appears, doesn't really just go away forever when we elect a Democratic president. It just goes into stasis to be revived by the next Republican. The result of that standoff, by the way?

Appropriators and other members of Congress predictably were outraged, and they used every lever of power available to retaliate. (They even threatened to de-fund Miller’s Office of Management and Budget.) Reagan, who had his hands full with Iran-Contra, ultimately backed down.

Another tick mark in the long and growing count of reasons why aggressive, forceful push-back from Congress across the board is absolutely critical to the effective exercise of power. But don't get me started.

So if most earmarks aren't legally binding, what's the attraction of the executive order? Well, for one thing, as the CRS report on earmarks and limitations notes, there are many different kinds of things included under the broadest definition of "earmarks," and that includes some that actually are included in the text of appropriations bills, and therefore are legally binding. Further, as the Heritage Foundation's memo notes:

The appropriations bills' texts contain several sections stating that a certain amount of a program's budget "shall be available for projects and in the amounts specified in the explanatory statement described in section...." This may effectively make many of the earmarks in the conference reports legally binding.

The attraction of the executive order, then, is its ability to (possibly) overcome the binding language in the bill.

Would Bush do it? There are very few political reasons for him not to. He certainly has no reason to believe the Congress is prepared to vindicate its prerogatives against him (see our long and ongoing discussion of Congressional "subpoena power"). And any punishment exacted on the agencies in next year's appropriations is someone else's problem.

Besides, consider the optics of a Democratic Congress finally roused to go to war with this president... over earmarks. Yes, it's the practical incarnation of the "power of the purse," and even defensible as a method (under normal circumstances) of insisting on Congressional spending priorities over the president's. But earmarks are also most familiar to the voting public by its more vulgar name: "pork."

So it should come as no surprise that Bush just may be testing the waters in a backhanded fashion as we speak:

Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND) authored a provision that scrapped the pilot program allowing Mexican long-haul trucks into the United States. It was included in the Omnibus Budget Bill that was signed by President Bush just before the Christmas break.

So far so good, right?

Well, last week the Department of Transportation announced it will continue the pilot program anyway. And this, my friends, is called breaking a federal law.

The DOT, is trying to get around this bipartisan mandate by saying the law says that funds will not be used to establish a pilot program. "Well," they say, "we don’t need to establish a pilot program; we already have one ... So keep em rolling!"

The DOT, it should be noted, may indeed have a point. Dorgan's provision may well have been poorly drafted, leaving them enough wiggle room to pull this end-around. But the subtext here may be an effort to gauge Congressional resolve when it sees its "power of the purse" tested, first on grounds justifiable with creative legal interpretations, and later, just maybe, in an outright frontal assault.

And if those earmarks are now in danger after all, now would be the time to recall what Appropriations Chairman David Obey suggested in mid-December:

A $522 billion omnibus spending bill had been scheduled for a House vote Tuesday, but House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey (D., Wis.) abruptly announced he won’t file it tonight and recommended substantial revisions before a floor vote. Obey said he is prepared to cut billions from domestic programs and eliminating all home-state projects or spending "earmarks" favored by lawmakers in both parties.

"I’m not in the business of trying to pave the way for $70 billion or $90 billion for Iraq for $10 billion in table scraps," Obey said. "We asked Bush to compromise. He has chosen to go the confrontation route."

"I want no linkage what-so-ever between domestic [spending] and the war. I want the war to be dealt with totally on its own. We shouldn’t be trading off domestic priorities for the war."

That bill, as we all know, did indeed get pared down on the earmark side, and the way was in fact paved for $70 billion for Iraq.

How "politically savvy" and "realistic" is that strategic retreat looking now?

As our friend occams hatchet put it, "What part of 'cataclysmic fight to the death' did you not understand?"

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  •  What About His Screwing the Troops (8+ / 0-)

    s/his pocket veto????

  •  Even if the right-wing (Now with more nuts!) (3+ / 0-)

    decides an executive order is not needed, I would expect one anyway.  Bush loves to bloviate when he has a script and Helen Thomas is not allowed to ask questions ...

    This space for rent.

    by bherner on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 01:58:38 PM PDT

  •  More political theatre (3+ / 0-)

    I can give 9 trillion reasons why this act is purely political. It just confirms my belief how empty his presidency is.

    •  of course it is political but tell me (2+ / 0-)

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      SecondComing, greenearth

      just when will our Democratic leaders grow gonads and ovaries large enough to bell the cat.
      Hell if I was Bush I would piss down Congress's back every chance I could and tell them its raining. Fuck Reid and Pelosi would get out their umbrellas and complain about the weather. SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER.

  •  We are going to have to watch each and (9+ / 0-)

    every single thing that they do as they try to wrap up busines this year.  I can only imagine what kind of last minute damage they are going to try to inflict before the election.

  •  Earmarks (2+ / 0-)

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    Note that there are Congressional Earmarks and Presidential Earmarks.
    I doubt that Bush will be clamping down on Presidential Earmarks.

  •  NOW will they Impeach? (4+ / 0-)

    I'm wondering just how much farther Congress will let him go -- ALL the way into fascism, or just dipping his toes.

  •  You just wait 'til the next (Dem) president tries (5+ / 0-)

    this. Then they'll bitch and moan about Congressional priviledge. Have there ever been more disgusting hypocrites than these Republicans? When Obama/Edwards/Clinton gets elected (a) they will have more respect for the constitution than Bush ever could, but (b) if they did try to do even 10% of what he has, the right would be wailing and gnashing.

    "Up or down vote, up or down vote". Asswholes.

    The Clintons think "magnanimous in defeat" is a skin infection of the toes.

    by ThanxAl on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:03:37 PM PDT

  •  Health care = earmark, environment=earmark (3+ / 0-)

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    eyeswideopen, vacantlook, greenearth

    military=necessary expenditure,
    education=earmark.

    I can see how this would be to bush's advantage...

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:03:54 PM PDT

  •  Nixon tried this crap back in 1971 or so (8+ / 0-)

    He called it impounding the funds or some such crap.

    Legacy of the Bush Presidency?

    Maybe this will finally spur impeachment.

    "We will now proceed to construct the socialist order."

    by 7November on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:04:15 PM PDT

  •  Too late to knee cap him. (0+ / 0-)

    If Congress actually swats him down it makes the Dems look like the party of budget waste in an election year.

    Demon of their own damn making.

    The best we can hope for is a Post Andrew Jackson style "ummm ok everyone just pretend that the laws didn't matter to him and act like we did before he was elected" recovery. But given the situation these days I doubt that'll happen.

    Grunge is still in... right?

    by Windowdog on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:05:00 PM PDT

  •  Is it just me or are the sidebars not loading? (1+ / 0-)

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    greenearth

    I know there's been intermittant trouble but is it only me?  

    -3.63, -4.46 "Choose something like a star to stay your mind on- and be staid"

    by goldberry on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:05:15 PM PDT

  •  holy shit (3+ / 0-)

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    Why doesn't bush just tatoo "worst. President. ever" to his ass right now.  better yet, i'll do it.  Anyone have a used needle I can use?  

    "The woman's life is misery; for God's sake, people, at least give her a few good songs". NYT review of The Color Purple

    by arogue7 on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:06:05 PM PDT

  •  Earmarks (1+ / 0-)

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    wishingwell

    Heaven knows this president does not need any additional perception of his own power, but eliminating earmarks that are an obvious waste of taxpayer money does not look all that bad.  It would have been nice to see our Democratic legislature pull some of this on their own.  Maybe in the next universe.

  •  Ah, bipartisanship at its finest. Bipartisanship (4+ / 0-)

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    is really the "key" to "good" government, don't you think?  I'm truly looking foward to whichever candidate runs on "hopeful bipartisan and unit" because it really does work well in American politics. [double snark].  Politics is about the exercise of power.  You either have it to exercise and do, or you don't.  Any other perspective is naive to say the least.

    I'll start believing in the power of a Dem majority when we truly have one in the Senate and actually exercise a little power not by inviting everyone's good "colleagues" from across the aisle to sit down and thwart a progressive agenda.  Anything less is a kindler gentler form of capitulation.  Unity in a democracy?  That's a laughable premise to begin with.

    "An entire credulous nation believed in Santa Claus, but Santa Claus was really the gasman." Gunter Grass

    by rrheard on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:11:04 PM PDT

  •  Real World vs Congress (2+ / 0-)

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    Halcyon, greenearth

    Can they do that? Well, in their world, of course, they can and will do anything they want until some larger force makes them stop.

    But what about in the real world? Here's what the Congressional Research Service (CRS) has to say (PDF)

    The Bush world is the real world, if the agencies do what Bush tells them (which they of course do - even telcos do it with immunity on Bush's say-so). It's Congress that's living in a fantasy world, as you just amply described.

    Unless Congress uses its superior force to enforce the familiar reality. The longer it takes, the less real it all is. Like a parent grounding you after you've got your own car, apartment and job.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:11:22 PM PDT

  •  Congress had ONE answer (6+ / 0-)

    and ONLY one answer to all of this.  IMPEACHMENT. When they chose to take that off the table, they chose this -- King George. Nothing about this is surprising, unpredictable or unexpected.  And nothing about it is going to change.  This upcoming election is our last hope.  If we somehow manage to thwart the GOP electon theft operation (another little problem that congress has ignored and allowed to grow) and actually put John Edwards in the White House - we just MIGHT have a slim opportunity to fix this country.

    "Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it." Robert F. Kennedy

    by enough already on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:14:10 PM PDT

  •  If that doesn't bring about impeachment, nothing (4+ / 0-)

    will.  The reason we have earmarks to this extent was that Nixon started sequestering funds and Congress got angry and even (Impoundment Control Act of 1974).

    It's full of stars... T. Roosevelt: Great thoughts speak only to the thoughtful mind, but great actions speak to all mankind.

    by Terra Mystica on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:14:41 PM PDT

  •  And Barack Obama won Iowa. (6+ / 0-)

    Yeah, let's compromise with those who seek to destroy the Constitution and the United States of America.

    And is this not a Republican '08 electoral strategy: portraying the Democratic Congress as the porkers?

    •  I'm not convinced Obama (1+ / 0-)

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      Bush Bites

      ...means to compromise with assholes. I think he's counting on his prodigious communication skills to get the public solidly behind him and writing to their asshole congresscritters. I think his speaking skills are the secret weapon. He's got a Mouth that Works and he means to use it. The pen is, after all, mightier than the sword.

      "The survival value of intelligence is that it allows us to extinct a bad idea, before the idea extincts us." -- Karl Popper

      by eyeswideopen on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:21:07 PM PDT

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      •  The media is/are the gateway between (2+ / 0-)

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        the prez and the people. I doubt that President Obama would be treated the same way as W by the media. That's the really big problem getting anything accomplished. Not a large enough segment of the people understand how broken their TVs are.

      •  Yeah, Reagan used to talk nice to the Democrats.. (0+ / 0-)

        ....but go over their heads to the American people when he didn't get his way.

        In fact, I remember when Reagan got his tax cuts through and he gave orders to everybody who worked for him to "Don't gloat."

        Unlike Bush, he realized that tough talk was often self-defeating.

        •  Reagan wasn't dealing with a hand-picked (1+ / 0-)

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          group of kamikaze politicians who threatened things like a "cataclysmic fight to the death".

          •  I can imagine (0+ / 0-)

            ... an extremely well-spoken Obama very clearly conveying the problem to the people. If we have majorities in both houses and Obama in the WH, we can do some real damage to the GOP. The public needs educating, and Obama is an extraordinary educator. I suspect he makes complex constitutional issues seem easy. He's done that with spectacular success in IL.

            "The survival value of intelligence is that it allows us to extinct a bad idea, before the idea extincts us." -- Karl Popper

            by eyeswideopen on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 05:12:07 PM PDT

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      •  Oh Aye... (1+ / 0-)

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        linnen

        being a poet I definetly believe in the power of words.

        On the other hand, I can think of at least five situations where a boot to the head is much more effective.  And that's just here at work.

        The reason?  Words depend upon context and interpretation.  They are tools and can be bent to any master with enough skill.

        I'm tired of word abuse!  I ache for meaningful silence accompanied by actions.

        They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. ~Benjamin Franklin

        by TehWondahkitty on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 03:51:07 PM PDT

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  •  dday's diary earlier today (1+ / 0-)

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    greenearth

    Jane Harman's Principled Stand Against Torture, parallels this one, showing how this Congress just doesn't understand its oath of office, or its duties of legislation and oversight.

  •  Earmarks benefit Republicans running (1+ / 0-)

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    eyeswideopen

    for reelection. So I'd like to hear what the GOP thinks about Bush killing off the money these Republicans got for their districts and states right before an election year.

    Can't believe they're too happy about it.

    Refuge Watch -- news from America's national wildlife refuges

    by Naturegal on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:20:50 PM PDT

    •  Bush wouldn't care. (7+ / 0-)

      And I wouldn't put it past him to direct a rather more selective killing of the earmarks than he lets on.

      Waste more of your day at The Next Hurrah.

      by Kagro X on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:30:15 PM PDT

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      •   and it will be done in the dark of night (0+ / 0-)

        quietly behind closed doors and only found out my a lot of digging and months later.

      •  BREAKING! another FU to Congress! (0+ / 0-)

        President Bush designated Richard Stickler as acting head of the U.S. Mine Safety and Health Administration on Friday, only a few days after the expiration of his recess appointment.
        ~snip~
        The Democratic-controlled Senate has so far refused to approve his nomination.
        ~snip~
        Stickler could have been limited to a 210-day stay starting from Bush's designation Friday. But since his latest nomination is still pending in the Senate, the White House says, the time limit does not apply and Stickler will likely serve until the end of the Bush administration.
        Link

        "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality." --Dante

        by arkdem on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 08:27:49 PM PDT

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  •  Power of the purse? (2+ / 0-)

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    Lawdog, vacantlook

    "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier."

    Just one more year of the petulant pissant. One more year.

    It's not a 'suicide door' when you're hauling ass in reverse.

    by SecondComing on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:21:50 PM PDT

  •  Obey Obey! (1+ / 0-)

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    greenearth

    Now that he's willing to show his backbone to people who aren't in his party, it's time to give him some kudos.

    It's the SUPREME COURT, Stupid!

    by ultrageek on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:23:26 PM PDT

  •  All Laws Are Poorly Drafted (3+ / 0-)

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    SecondComing, sodalis, greenearth

    And are being handled accordingly by Mr. Government.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:24:59 PM PDT

  •  Test That Whole "Executive Order" Thing (1+ / 0-)

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    greenearth

    Congress could just ignore whatever he does. Let him pout.

  •  All of this stuff gives me (0+ / 0-)

    one big headache.  I'm already deadened to BushCo outrages -- it is the Democratic run Congress that is the subject of my utter disgust.  Yes, I want Dodd as majority leader -- but 2009 is not when we really need him.  There is absolutely no leadership in either House now.  As has already been said -- why shouldn't Bush just expand his dictatorial powers when there's no one who will stop him?

    My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:27:26 PM PDT

  •  This has nothing to do with earmarks (1+ / 0-)

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    greenearth

    Really earmarks may actually be out of control, but this has nothing to do with that. This is Bush trying to exert his power. He is trying to see how far he can push before congress pushes back. But it may have gone to far, because if Congress decides to fight this, it will be spun as "the democrats are spending". Thats much easier sound bite for the 30 seconds of coverage it would get on the news than saying that Congress is fighting the President to ensure checks and balances on executive power. The sad part is that most people are not interested enough to look into what the real issue is, they will just go with the 30 second sound bite.

    "I’m not in the business of trying to pave the way for $70 billion or $90 billion for Iraq for $10 billion in table scraps," Obey said. "We asked Bush to compromise. He has chosen to go the confrontation route."

    why is there not more democrats in congress saying the same thing. You can't compromise when the other party in not willing too compromise. It is not a compromise when the other people say "I will give in 20% of the way on this issue, if you completely give in on x, y, and Z".  

    I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman.

    by ryan81 on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:27:28 PM PDT

  •  no nads Congress. (4+ / 0-)

    Sure hope that this no-nads Congress don't just roll over again.  Why in the hell are they still so afraid of the neo-thugs?  The next time he(bush) wants more war money, bin laden will be back in the media with a new tape just prior to the vote on funding.

  •  Tax and Spend Dems! (3+ / 0-)

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    It would seem that our Dem "leadership" is working overtime to hand out victories to the Republican's!

    Rather than send a clean troop bill to the President tied ONLY with a withdrawel date, they make sure that it has lots of earmarks so he can suddenly claim "fiscal responsibility" again.

    I swear!  If we had elected children we would have more effective leadership!  

    Want to watch Republican economic theories in action? Look at Iraq.

    by Michaelpb on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:28:23 PM PDT

  •  the most fiscally irresponsible "pet project" (5+ / 0-)

    of the current administration is the plutocratic neocon cronyism of the totally corrupt and neverending so-called "war on terror."

    The immense budgetery hole this "war" has burned in our nation's treasury is truly staggering.

    After all the economic infrastructure of two occupied countries--Iraq and Afghanistan--is now tied to our own. A global, semi-privatized network and vast clandestine complex of homeland security, intelligence agencies, and military personnel overseeing two ground wars, replete with the construction of the world's largest embassy in Baghdad, has all been been justified as an adequate response to 19 mysterious and now dead jihadist hijackers with box cutters. If one takes all of this out of the equation, we might stand an economic chance of recovery. As it is we are weighed down by the totally unrealistic imperial fantasies of ageing and discredited PNAC blowhards.

    •  Remember Logans' Run? (2+ / 0-)

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      gnat, greenearth

      There is NO Sanctuary!

      The computer, being unable to accept that answer, blew up.

      Sounds like the present day US Federal Government.

      "The terrorists are ALLL Dead!"

      "Answer unacceptable, increase defense spending."

      Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! http://www.angrytoyrobot.blogspot.com The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

      by angrytoyrobot on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:30:42 PM PDT

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  •  Gods what a mess... (2+ / 0-)

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    It'll take the next President at least four years to screw the wheels back on.

    I say we all vote for Huckabee in the next election, let things go even more to hell, and then annoint the antichrist in four years.

    The trains would run on time at least...

    Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! http://www.angrytoyrobot.blogspot.com The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

    by angrytoyrobot on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:28:29 PM PDT

  •  Bush will act like the immature brat he is (6+ / 0-)

    and do whatever the hell he feels like until the last few minutes before he leaves the WH. I think he could care less about his legacy. It has always been a game for Bush of seeing what he can get and what he can get away with and what he can win.

    Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. Martin Luther King Jr.

    by wishingwell on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:29:38 PM PDT

  •  This is the One Thing... (4+ / 0-)

    that could get him impeached.  It is the blackest of black comedy: you can monger war, you can torture, you can arrest and detain without judicial oversight, but keep your filthy nose out of my highway money.

  •  Impeachment becomes all the more attractive. (1+ / 0-)

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    greenearth

    If there's a better way, a sniveling & foolish Democratic-lead Congress will indeed try to find it.

    We have, at the end of the day, a speaker whose flawed judgment will have led a moderate Congress to its own ignominy. I am just a disappointed blogger, but we are legion.

    California, please elect anybody else. We will need a speaker with the guts to do what needs to be done. It's the only sensible thing to do - IMPEACH, NOW!!

    "Change doesn't happen from the top down; it happens from the bottom up." Barack Obama

    by ezdidit on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:31:02 PM PDT

  •  Didn't see that coming (2+ / 0-)

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    greenearth, CA Libertarian

    The DOT, it should be noted, may indeed have a point. Dorgan's provision may well have been poorly drafted, leaving them enough wiggle room to pull this end-around.

    I mean, it's not as though anybody in the Congress went to law school or anything.

  •  The issue of course is that they're Dem earmarks (1+ / 0-)

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    linnen

    Not GOP earmarks.

    Bush didn't veto a single spending bill before the Democrats took Congress.  He spent like a drunken sailor, pork everywhere.  Remember that transportation bill?  Sheesh!

    There's not a fiscally conservative bone in his body.  Nor his father's.  Nor Reagan's.  These people are the most hypocritical liars on the planet.

    We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

    by CA Libertarian on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:35:34 PM PDT

  •  More s**t on the faces of our accomodating Dems (3+ / 0-)

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    Lawdog, greenearth, CA Libertarian

    in Congress.
    Gawwwd I'm sick of bipartisanship, negotiation, caving (call it what you will): our Dems always bend over to take it up the a**.
    And all the Dems are now having orgasms about the upcoming triumph of Obama and his policy of reconciliation and unity.
    Ya know what we really need? third party, third party, third party!!!!

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:39:15 PM PDT

    •  No my friend we don't need a 3rd party (1+ / 0-)

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      greenearth

      What we need is for all good Dems to step up, fight harder and not only knock Repug heads but a few Demrat heads as well. Don't quit on being a Dem. Been fighting since 1960, so don't quit, don't ever give up. Get discouraged, get down thats OK its not OK not to get up or quit. Just keep fighting. I may die with a bloody nose but it will be because I was in the fight  not because I did not move fast enough when somebody told me to move along. My friend keep fighting.

  •  Bush is a menace. (1+ / 0-)

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    greenearth

    Election year or no, 2008 will be full scale war with the lunatic in the White House and Congress better be ready for it.

  •  The power of the purse (1+ / 0-)

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    greenearth

    Will it play out?

    Democrats with spine?
    So nice to see,
    but hope is hard
    and we're not.
    seemingly

    Ack

    McCain ultimately corrected himself after Sen. Joe Lieberman whispered in his ear.

    by Lahdee on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:42:46 PM PDT

  •  earmarks (0+ / 0-)

    Let's take the long view here -- we run Congress now so earmarking is our albatross instead of the Republicans'.  Folks want business done differently in DC (just ask Iowa) and who gets earmarks and why is part of what people are disgusted with.  I'm not saying all earmarks are bad, but it's suicide for D's to use political capital to stand up for them.  

    Bush is setting a trap for Reid, Pelosi et al.   He wants a fight on this topic to show the Ds as pro-pork and the Rs as anti-pork.  And if we rise to the bait, he wins either way.  We'd be fools to play that game. Like everything else his administration does it's insincere but that doesn't really matter.  

    And let's face it, even at half the Tom Delay level, the number of earmarks under discussion now is not defensible to the electorate.  Members represented their constituents and helped their districts just fine back when earmarking was one-tenth what it is today.  

    We need to go on a diet for another year.  It wont kill us and it's probably good policy too.  In a year we'll have the White House and we can renegotiate then.  And if the end result is a lot fewer earmarks that would be just fine.

    Just because Bush is against them doesnt mean we should be for them.  

  •  Writ of mandamus? (0+ / 0-)

    Wouldn't this be a prime target for a writ of mandamus?

    [A writ of mandamus] is issued by a superior court to compel a lower court or a government officer to perform mandatory or purely ministerial duties correctly

    Article 2, Sec. 3 of the Constitution states that the President "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed."  That seems to state clearly that if Congress passes a law, including a spending bill, Bush has a mandatory duty to carry it out. (The world "shall" is pretty uniformly interpreted as mandating the action described, and does not give the official discretion not to follow the law.)

    Standing, however, becomes an issue.  Nothing in the Constitution gives Congress as a body the authority to issue or seek a writ of mandamus.  Perhaps one or more individual members of Congress would have to file for the writ.  

    Of course even if a filing for a writ of mandamus were made Monday morning at 8:00 AM EST, the Imperium could drag the legal process out until, oh, say, January 20, 2009.  Then it's not his problem.

    Congress, that grand old benevolent institution for the helpless... -- Mark Twain

    by Stephen on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 03:04:30 PM PDT

  •  Kudos to Kagro, once again... (1+ / 0-)

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    greenearth

    You're the best at this.  But what do you say to the more pedestrian issue of David Brooks's editorial today and my note here:http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/4/173245/7357/464/430738

    "Change doesn't happen from the top down; it happens from the bottom up." Barack Obama

    by ezdidit on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 03:09:02 PM PDT

  •  Hmmm. Where have I seen this before? (1+ / 0-)

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    greenearth

    It couldn't have been done by Nixon? Or, Could it have?

    At the time it was written, the 1974 Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act received little public fanfare and few members of Congress understood its vast consequences. But its enactment was one of the most important legacies of that year's epic confrontation between President Nixon and the Democratic-controlled Congress - which resulted in Nixon's resignation on the eve of what appeared to be his certain impeachment and removal from office as a result of the Watergate scandal.

    The political impetus for the revised budget procedures came from Nixon's 1973 decision simply to not spend funds that had been appropriated by Congress. While Nixon claimed constitutional authority for his decision, federal courts largely ruled that the President did not have the power to withhold congressionally appropriated money. Still, a wide array of lawmakers - liberals fearful of the impact on favored programs, appropriations committee members concerned about their clout and congressional purists worried about the constitutional balance - grew alarmed about the threat to their power of the purse.

    ", syrup ,..., shit ,..., hotcakes." Meteor Blades
    John McCain

    by JugOPunch on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 03:09:13 PM PDT

  •  Congress should cut all funding (1+ / 0-)

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    greenearth

    to the Administration, as much as it can, until Bush, King Three Years Old, gets the message.

    What is essential is invisible.

    by bebimbob on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 03:21:51 PM PDT

  •  How is this different... (1+ / 0-)

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    greenearth

    ....from a line item veto? And if it is materially the same, why isn't it illegal?

    Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass. - Barry Goldwater, 1981

    by Doug in SF on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 03:57:40 PM PDT

    •  It isn't. (2+ / 0-)

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      linnen, greenearth

      Only the mechanism is different.

      But the legal status of executive orders is a gray area, and they're only very rarely rejected by the courts. In this case, though, the "administration" would be making a presentment clause case arguing that the earmarks aren't actually part of the law, so they haven't "vetoed" anything.

      If they tried to use an executive order to nullify provisions included directly in the bill's text, there'd be a closer parallel to the line item veto. But remember, this "administration" believes the Constitution gives the president direct authority to do whatever the hell he wants, for the most part. So the fact that some court (yes, the Supreme one) once said yadda yadda about some egghead crap... well, so what? To the extent it's applicable, we'll just say it's wrong, and see what happens.

      Waste more of your day at The Next Hurrah.

      by Kagro X on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 04:54:33 PM PDT

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  •  If memory serves, I don't recall (2+ / 0-)

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    dumya being too worried about a 500 million dollar bridge to nowhere for Ted Stevens and the Alaska delegation.  Nary a whimper about all the pork the rethugs voted for in their appropriations.
    He is just trying to keep himself relevant for the next year.

    The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all - JFK- 5/18/63-Vanderbilt Univ.

    by oibme on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 04:06:02 PM PDT

  •  Thanks, I found that interesting. (0+ / 0-)

    This  "cataclysmic fight to the death" can't help but bring me to Barack Obama and his bi-partisan approach.  If he is elected, will his willingness to compromise be an obstacle to progress; or will Bush and cronies being gone be enough that it won't matter? I look at what is going on in DC, and I'm shocked at the abuse of power and the lack of accountability for doing it.   How anybody can compromise with that and not get dirty, I don't have a clue.   If they don't have to obey the laws, why do I?  After Bush leaves will we still be in a cataclysmic fight to the death?

    Republicans don't have 60 votes, and it doesn't seem to bother them one bit.

    by dkmich on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 07:07:49 PM PDT

  •  War funding should be filed under "earmarks" (0+ / 0-)

    What happens if the congress reworks the budget so Bush's pet pork projects (like the Iraq war) also shows up in the earmarks section?

  •  They should never have passed any appropriations (0+ / 0-)

    They should have left the entire govt under continuing resolutions, of no more than 2-4 weeks duration.  It was the only practical hold they had on Dubya.  Now we're going to see no end of election year hardball from BushCo.  They absolutely cannot fail to prevent a Democrat from taking over the WH, and with it, custody of the evidence that will send them to jail.  So they will stop at nothing that someone doesn't forcibly stop them from.  I strongly suspect that only firm opposition from the military kept them from an Iran adventure.  But now, by giving up the power of the purse, Congress has quit the fight.

    The presidency must be destroyed.

    by gtomkins on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 07:20:17 PM PDT

  •  Can this fight lead to a nice little shutdown??? (0+ / 0-)

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    Just think, some of the yobbos in CONGgress would then have time to listen to constituents who want IMPEACHMENT and Billy, Dickie and the Boyz (and Little Miss Gaptoothed) to hussle their asses off to the destinations just hinted at.

    Believe me, the TONE is real antagonistic towards BuZh these days and I expect things are gonna get a whole lot worse.  Wait'll the gas prices soar, the food prices skyrocket and they realize the US is basically BANKRUPT.. Ole Bushie is playing with more than matches with this new BLUNDER.  The TONE on the bitchy comments on SCHIP did not go down all that well.  Now with the fat being trimmed off the pork at the doggie diner is gonna make some folks REAL angry.

  •  Tiberius had it right 2000 yrs. ago (0+ / 0-)

    Emperor Tiberius had it right 2000 yrs. ago when he was quoted as describing the Roman Senate as and I paraphrase him here " As Men fit only to be slaves." So it is today with Emperor BV$h's utter contempt for Congress ... A well earned contempt I might add.

    "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

    by Blutodog on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 09:02:29 PM PDT

  •  Shorter Congressional Ineptitude (0+ / 0-)

    Congress sold their cow to the administration for a handful of magic beans that turned out to be regular beans and Bush gets to eat meat while we all get gas.

    "Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding up both puppets!" -Bill Hicks

    by Tismo70 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:53:03 AM PDT

  •  There are "too many" (0+ / 0-)

    scare "quotes" in the first "part" of this "post."

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