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Please Hillary, let the healing begin

Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:00:44 AM PDT

This diary will certainly be perceived as a bit presumptuous.  I acknowledge that.  But all indications are that Barack Obama is about to win his second state today in New Hampshire.  He's already won handidly in the crucial bellweather towns of Hart's Location and Dixville Notch!  And rumors from Tim Russert and others are that the Nevada Cullinary Union is set to endorese him tomorrow if he wins.  I'm not saying this race is over, but if Obama wins handidly here in New Hampshire, then what kind of campaign do we want going forward?

I don't want to suggest that Hillary Clinton and John Edwards should drop out.  Not at all.  In fact, I kind of hope Edwards campaigns for a while.  I love hearing his message and I want him to keep having a public stage for more people to hear it.  What concerns me though are reports that the Clinton campaign might sharpen the knives even more with a loss here.  The NYTimes has an article today on the Clinton campaign chronicling the teary-eyed speech yesterday and the stress, in general, that the campaign is feeling.  They discussed what might happen with a Clinton loss here today.  Included is this very disturbing paragraph:

Win or lose, Mrs. Clinton plans to leave New Hampshire with a fighting spirit and moving forcefully to contrast her plans with Mr. Obama’s, most likely including television commercials criticizing his positions on health care and, possibly, Iraq in a point-by-point style. She chose not to do that in New Hampshire, advisers said, because there were only five days between her arrival from Iowa and the primary — not enough time to do damage.

We do not need this campaign to turn nastier, especially when it is becoming clear that Democrats - heck, much of the country - is starting to coalesce around a very special candidate in Barack Obama.  I know there are criticisms of Obama... I held out a long time on him because of some of those same criticisms.  But to try and bring him down with a nasty campaign would be nothing but desperation from the Clintons and would not do them any good in the long run.  

As frustrated and hurt as some may feel now, I have to think in another couple months, some of these wounds will start to heal and you'll find yourself able to support - even defend Obama.  I believe this based on my experience in '04 as a major Deaniac.  I couldn't stand John Kerry during the 2003 and early 2004.  I hated everything he stood for - which was stupid really, because he was a pretty good Senator and had done some great things.  But I knew Howard Dean was the best candidate who could truly transform our party, first, and our country second.  When he started to go down, it was very painful.  But within about two months, I was able to feel ok with Kerry going forward.  I even gave him money (at Howard's urging, of course).  Once that Republican machine starts attacking one of your own, you kind of circle the wagons again.  

I even feel this for Hillary.  As much as I've grown to see her as the opponent during this past few months and as much as I've wanted so badly for her NOT to be our nominee, when I see the corporate media or Republican smear machine go after her, I get defensive on her behalf.  Its an instinct.  And most will feel it here too for Obama eventually.

So, this is certainly not a call for people to 'get over it' and start supporting Obama.  Not at all... I expect this process will take time.  But, I do think the time for a nasty fight between Democrats (including the Clinton campaign going nuclear on Obama) should be coming to an end.

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  •  Unity will take time (3+ / 0-)

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    mjd in florida, mr crabby, roycej

    But the period where we are moving further apart should be ending soon.  We can get our emotions out here on this site, but I hope the campaigns are mature enough to not cause more trouble for the sake of lashing out.

    Your ad could be here.

    by TheC on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:01:50 AM PDT

    •  I had no clue as to how to perceive (1+ / 0-)

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      TheC

      Hillary's emotional moment yesterday especially after minutes later she attacked Obama and then pulled a Rovian scare/bombing attack for our next President to deal with on day 1.  (Thanks KO for showing those additional clips of Hillary last night)  As the military mom of a National Guard SSG that ran an ANA Depot near Kabul and traveled the streets daily,  I have had my teary moments too;  whenever his area went into communication lock-down for days after local coalition casualties,  whenever he told me that he came across recent roadside bombings, the day that he arrived back in the states and I had tears of anger, not stress, when Hillary voted "yes" on the Bush/Cheney corporate/MIC "Kyl/Lieberman" bill.   Go Obama!  He has the crucial, socially liberal, "Independent" voters in our Tampa Bay area that have despised the Clinton and Bush administrations for their devisiveness and their corporate/MIC ties.  Obama is bringing them home to the "Democratic" party!

      Catholic, white woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (endorsed 12/06)

      by mjd in florida on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:37:16 AM PDT

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  •  Good grief (7+ / 0-)

    The first primary isn't even over yet.

    A revolution without dancing is a revolution not worth having // Swords Crossed

    by quaoar on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:04:50 AM PDT

    •  I agree, but (1+ / 0-)

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      mjd in florida

      if, as predicted, Obama wins by 8-10 points in NH today, do you think it is a good idea for Hillary to go strongly negative on TV commericals all over the country?  I support Obama now, I know, but I can't see how that is good for anyone.  The attack strategy has backfired in two states in a row for Hillary.  Why go forward on TV with it?

      Your ad could be here.

      by TheC on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:06:33 AM PDT

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      •  What choice does she have, really? (2+ / 0-)

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        theran, John Poet

        She's already hung herself with Mark Penn and the Rovian-style of politics she's played that's turned so many people off.  

        If she's emotional about anything, I bet she's pissed at herself for blowing this thing so badly.  

        I'd be pissed at myself and emotional, too.

        I love the smell of impeachment in the morning!

        by gabbardd on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:10:01 AM PDT

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      •  If I were Hillary (0+ / 0-)

        I would stay in it through Feb. 5 and then reassess.

        There should be an apparent nominee after Feb. 5.

        This is her best shot at it so she might as well let the string run out. All this garbage about damaging the eventual nominee is ridiculous. By summer no one is going to remember anything that was said during the primaries.

        Besides, if it's all over after today a whole lot of people who have not yet had a chance to vote (like me) are going to be major-league pissed off about the whole "Let Iowa and NH Go First" idea.

        A revolution without dancing is a revolution not worth having // Swords Crossed

        by quaoar on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:20:05 AM PDT

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  •  Wes Clark won Hart's Location & Dixville Notch (4+ / 0-)

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    TheC, moira977, theran, Norwegian Chef

    He finished in 3rd in NH.

    They're not "crucial bellweather towns".

  •  Please John and Hillary (1+ / 0-)

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    moira977

    Please stay and fight hard for this until the Convention. It should not be a cake walk for anyone, and every state has a right to fully participate and make their judgement, not simply forced fed a decision by the MSM before the first primary even is over.

    I like the silence of a church, before the service begins better than any preaching. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by Norwegian Chef on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:07:41 AM PDT

  •  Hillary will win the nomination (2+ / 0-)

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    roseeriter, gabbardd

    Count on it.

    No matter what happens, when the winds of change come up, the forces of the status quo will attack and defeat it.

    Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

    - Albert Einstein

    by Walt starr on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:08:28 AM PDT

    •  Just read your diary on this. (0+ / 0-)

      Thanks alot. Now I'm REALLY depressed.

      I love the smell of impeachment in the morning!

      by gabbardd on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:12:55 AM PDT

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      •  There's only one way to stop it (2+ / 0-)

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        theran, John Poet

        Obama must get 2025 delegates in the state primaries.

        The truly sad fact is, the super delegate system was set up specifically to insure an establishment candidate always wins.

        Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

        - Albert Einstein

        by Walt starr on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:19:37 AM PDT

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        •  Then let's hope we're still not locked up in a (0+ / 0-)

          tight 3-way race too much longer after Feb 5.  

          I love the smell of impeachment in the morning!

          by gabbardd on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:27:14 AM PDT

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          •  The three way race has to end (0+ / 0-)

            before February 5, or else Clinton will win.

            The math is there. That's why they brough Carville in. It's far more important to deny Obama 2025 delegates than it is for Clinton to even get 1500.

            Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

            - Albert Einstein

            by Walt starr on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:29:49 AM PDT

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    •  I disagree (0+ / 0-)

      Clinton can say she's counting on California and that 44% of people are voting now. But if the spill over effect works +10 in New Hampshire, there's no reason to think that it wouldn't work plus 10 in California. Further, even if she wins, the delegates will be allocated proportionally. It's likely that all the candidates will be within similar thresholds, thus making it somewhat even there. The same goes for the rest of the big states.

      Meanwhile, Obama is going to absolutely demolish Hillary in the South. It will not be close there. He will catch up to her in delegates there. Further, it's likely that he'll get the most votes nationwide.

      Yes, the Clintons could desperately try to hang onto power and try to get the nomination like Bush won the Presidency--with less votes. But it's a sure route to disaster in November. And, ultimately, it'd put them in history as self-obsessed egomaniacs that ruined their party.

      So while what you're saying could happen, it won't. The weather is nice in New Hampshire. Should be good for turnout--especially among independents. If Obama wins by 10-15+, Hillary will stay in, but the loss will be apparent. If Obama breaks 50, which has an outside chance of happening, it's over and Hillary will drop out tonight.

      Obama/Casey, my personal dream ticket.

      by The Bagof Health and Politics on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 08:15:17 AM PDT

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  •  "not enough time to do damage." (3+ / 0-)

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    theran, mjd in florida, whitetiger

    It's this kind of crap from the clinton campaign which is turning people off day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute.

    I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

    by davefromqueens on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:09:19 AM PDT

  •  If 'doing damage' is the Clinton campaign's goal (4+ / 0-)

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    TheC, theran, mjd in florida, phillyPete

    then they will surely lose, and will do so without my support.  I was leaning Hillary over the summer and fall, but am now more undecided and really just want our Democratic nominee (whoever he/she may be) to win without being unnecessarily "damaged" by fellow Democrats.  

    For me, it's all about the general election coming up in November and we do not need to demoralize the Democratic base through vicious infighting.  The Republicans are demoralized and the more we can stay confident and enthusiastic about our nominee, the better we will do in November.

  •  Keep fighting! (1+ / 0-)

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    mjd in florida

    What if there's a terrorist attack?  Huh, what will we do then without Hillary?  You heard her... we're all doomed if Obama wins.

    I hope that kind of BS will be toned down.  At least until the General when we'll here it again. A couple quiet months would be nice. :)

  •  There is an old expression as an agnostic (3+ / 0-)

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    TheC, mjd in florida, whitetiger

    I lol whenever I hear it:

    From your lips to God's ears!

    Ain't gonna happen. Be prepared for the James Carville slice and dice machine. The ragin' Cajun, Bill and Hillary are going evil on Obama after New Hampshire. They think she's owed the presidency and they don't take kindly that some young kid is causing them to work so hard to claim her family inheritance.

    You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war..... Albert Einstein,

    by tazz on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:27:30 AM PDT

  •  She Needs to Get Out for Her Own Good (1+ / 0-)

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    TheC

    . . . whether it's after NH or soon thereafter.  She will be risking damaging her reputation even further if she stays in and does so in full attack mode. Those people that care about this woman need to say "Look.  You are qualified to be President, probably more so than Barack Obama.  But there's something going on here that has nothing to do with you. It's time to go."  If she bows out gracefully, she's left with many more options. If Obama turns out to be a flash in the pan and gets beat in November (which I doubt), she could come back in 2012 with a "see I told you experience counts" message.  She could have a long and historic career in the U.S. Senate, where her innate political skill could be useful.  She might make a good Majority Leader, though probably not the choice of many Kossians.  She's an incredible valuable asset for Democrats, whether as president or not.  But she needs to look beyond the present.

  •  Yes, you did come off as presumptuous. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    -5.38/-3.74 I've suffered for my country. Now it's your turn! --John McCain with apologies to Monty Python's "Protest Song"

    by Rich in PA on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 07:12:32 AM PDT

  •  I'm here to take my medicine (0+ / 0-)

    But, all the same, please don't go super negative Hillary!

    Your ad could be here.

    by TheC on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:21:18 PM PDT

  •  yea you were a bit presumptious (0+ / 0-)

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