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Obama asks: "Do you want a FIGHT, President Bush?"

Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:30:31 AM PDT

Now Bill Clinton is trying out an attack on Obama, claiming that his Obama is no better than his own wife on the Iraq war.  Yes, HRC voted for the IWR, and for the blank check that gave Bush legal power to keep us in Iraq forever, but somehow, the guy who opposed it is just as bad as she is.

From a man who claims that unlike his wife, he was against the war "from the start", it's the epitome of negative campaigning--to claim that all candidates are equally bad.

But it's not true: in 2002, Obama was challenging Bush to fight, not in the "dumb war" that HRC and JE would authorize, but our eternal enemies of povery, ignorance -- amd our new enemies of Bin Laden and growing energy dependence.  

Let's see the speech that we all wish HRC and JE had heeded before empowering Bush's disasterous war.  Before they went along for the ride.  Before they gave Bush a blank check.  Before they were "fighters".

Let's all read it with the hope that we empower more Obama and less Bush/war in the future.

"I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil.

I don't oppose all wars. My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil.

I don't oppose all wars. After September 11, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again.

I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power.... The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars. So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure that...we vigorously enforce a nonproliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil through an energy policy that doesn't simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair."

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  •  Tips. nt (22+ / 0-)

    Offshore Oil/NatGas is our Strategic Reserve. Save it for when the rest of the world runs out.

    by Inland on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:32:02 AM PDT

  •  Obama fighting Bush? (5+ / 0-)

    He's had two years in the Senate to do that.  And done nothing.

    Oh yeah, he voted agaisnt Kerry-Feingold in 2006 to get the troops hiom by last summer.

    And he voted to find the war over and over, until Edwards shamed both Clinton and him to vote agaisnt funding in May 2007.

    He'll compromise and negotiate. I see no fighter there.

    "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

    by TomP on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:34:06 AM PDT

  •  With all due respect President Clinton... (12+ / 0-)

    just please sit down now.

  •  It's Sad (6+ / 0-)

    It's sad. This will be Bill Clinton's legacy, that he trashed himself and his wife trying to promote a dynasty at any cost.

  •  great speech - thanks for posting it (3+ / 0-)

    It took courage to speak out against this war before it began, particularly with the Democratic leadership running and hiding from the scary Commander Guy.

    Thanks for posting Obama's speech.

    But from your headline, I thought the challenge to a FIGHT was more recent.  Since Obama became a junior senator, his actions in DC have neither shown leadership or fight, at a time when both were needed desperately.

    •  Inland, (0+ / 0-)

      If you're reffering to Bill's "Give me a break." rift, I think you should include it all and debunk it point by point.  Very mean spirited as well as misleading.

      •  No, I'll just put up Obama's speech. (2+ / 0-)

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        Let Bill talk about what Bill talks about.  I've got his conclusion....that Obama is as bad as his wife on the Iraq war.  And that Bill was against the war from the start, like Obama.

        Everythign else was just sneering.  I don't rebut "give me a break!"

        Offshore Oil/NatGas is our Strategic Reserve. Save it for when the rest of the world runs out.

        by Inland on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:46:34 AM PDT

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  •  How about (3+ / 0-)

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    he starts fighting Bush by leading the impeachment efforts. Then I'll believe it.

    Fascism is capitalism in decay. -- Vladimir Lenin

    by GiveNoQuarter on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:43:16 AM PDT

  •  How can I vote for Obama...? (0+ / 0-)

    How can I as a self-respecting gay man vote for Obama, after the whole McClurkin scandal?  I'm sure everyone remembers how Obama buddied up to McClurkin, a formerly gay gay-hater who uses the church to spread his anti-gay message.  Obama had the nerve to sidle up to this guy in an attempt to siphon off some of the religious votes.  It's pandering in the worst possible way, and I won't vote for him, no matter what.  Then take a look at how Obama handled Bill O'Reilly at the last primary: he actually promised that loathsome hideous excuse for a human being AN INTERVIEW!!!!  No, Obama shouldn't be president and he won't be getting my vote.  

    •  Ask a fellow Kossack (1+ / 0-)

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      terrypinder

      My Name is Terrence Rawn Pinder Jr. and I endorse, wholeheartedly, with whatever shriveled and cynical shred of humanity I have left in this cynical and dying world, Barack Obama for the Presidency of the United States of America.

      If Barack Obama drew a line in the sand and Harry Reid stepped across it, then what?

      by Bill White on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 07:01:59 AM PDT

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      •  "Rawn"? (0+ / 0-)

        There is no such person.  You just made him up.

        Offshore Oil/NatGas is our Strategic Reserve. Save it for when the rest of the world runs out.

        by Inland on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 07:04:42 AM PDT

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        •  Not me! I just cut & pasted (0+ / 0-)

          to prove there are gay people who support Obama.

          If Barack Obama drew a line in the sand and Harry Reid stepped across it, then what?

          by Bill White on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 07:07:27 AM PDT

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          •  That makes no sense... (0+ / 0-)

            What does your cut-n-paste job prove, Bill?  Sure, I bet there are elderly or misinformed gay people out there who are ignorant of Obama's stance on gay rights and his willingness to sell gay rights out for the religious vote, just like there are misinformed STRAIGHT people out there who believe the same thing.  It doesn't make what he did any less palatable or forgivable.  Obama refused to backtrack or apologize for the McClurkin scandal too, and until he does I won't vote for him.

            •  As is your right (1+ / 0-)

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              which I support 100%.

              Others differ. Which is part of the beauty and genius of America.

              If Barack Obama drew a line in the sand and Harry Reid stepped across it, then what?

              by Bill White on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 07:23:57 AM PDT

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            •  I assure you Terry Pinder is not... (0+ / 0-)

              ...misinformed.

              Litmus tests are tricky.  They make it hard to find a candidate you can stomach, anywhere.  I am not telling you, by the way, that you shouldn't care about the McClurkin thing.

              "I've waited all my life for a Republican Barack Obama. Now he shows up and he's a Democrat." - Frank Luntz

              by The Termite on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 08:08:17 AM PDT

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    •  Well, okay. (1+ / 0-)

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      Obama's good on gay rights, and McClurkin's not running.  It was a tactical muff, but to blow it up into something bigger is ridiculous.  

      The election isn't about Bill O'Reilly, either.

      I think we've got to look at bigger picture than one muffed rally and who on Fox we hate.  I picked the war, since people are still dying, and it's the reason why republicans have had their boot on our necks for six years.

      Offshore Oil/NatGas is our Strategic Reserve. Save it for when the rest of the world runs out.

      by Inland on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 07:04:13 AM PDT

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    •  And then there's me........... (0+ / 0-)

      Pretty much unapologetic and gay.  I even went to high school with Jeri Kehn Thompson and have nothing but nice things to say about her (she was never less than exceptionally kind to me, even with our classmates were snickering over the "rumors").  Barack Obama has been strong on LGBT issues throughout his career, and as I have said before, this is politics and you have to cast a wide net - yes, it wasn't a genius move on his campaigns part, but the reality is we need someone who is willing to engage ALL parties in order to come to some sort of resolution on ALL of our issues.

      I also think we (LGBTQ) got a little (ok, a lot) ahead of ourselves on the marriage issue - that shouldn't have even been forced into the spotlight until we had Civil Unions with tax benefits and ENDA in place and proven that the world wouldn't crumble as a result.  To some of the more vocal in the process this labels me a sellout, but I guess I am an incremental, lineal change sort of guy.

      "Doesn't everybody want to play hopscotch, bake cookies and watch the McLaughlin Group?" - Lisa Simpson

      by OneCharmingBastard on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 08:27:49 AM PDT

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  •  I had high hopes, based on the title! (0+ / 0-)

    Well, no so high...Bush is leaving in a year, and it's past time to start fighting him.  But still...imagine my disappointment to find that the diary is about something from 2003, when Obama was a state senator and talk was cheap.  And, of course, the "you want a fight?" line is intentionally twisted to make Obama seem like a fighter.  If you read the quote, Obama is telling Bush to go fight other battles of the non-military sort.  Good advice, but the diarist is trying to pull one over on us.

    -5.38/-3.74 I've suffered for my country. Now it's your turn! --John McCain with apologies to Monty Python's "Protest Song"

    by Rich in PA on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 07:11:35 AM PDT

    •  More excuses for JE, HRC caving for war. (0+ / 0-)

      when Obama was a state senator and talk was cheap.

      Translation: HRC and JE wanted to be president, thought being for war was the way.

      Following Bill's lead in saying that being against the war is no better than voting for it, because, well, you know, experience said that self preservation meant voting for IWR.

      Offshore Oil/NatGas is our Strategic Reserve. Save it for when the rest of the world runs out.

      by Inland on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 07:19:55 AM PDT

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      •  I'll take all the lumps you want to give out... (0+ / 0-)

        ...about the war.  But this diary was meant to depict Obama as a fighter, to counter those of us who think he isn't...and let's just say it's underwhelming.

        If Obama's chief credential is that he was right about the war, I'm happy to fight the primaries on that basis.

        -5.38/-3.74 I've suffered for my country. Now it's your turn! --John McCain with apologies to Monty Python's "Protest Song"

        by Rich in PA on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 07:40:27 AM PDT

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        •  Well, apparently not, since you've (0+ / 0-)

          changed the subject from HRC's, JE's caving to Bush.  Talk about underwhelming....the response to them caving is, "well, being right on the war....that's as good as being wrong, whatever, they wanted to be president, give them slack".

          Offshore Oil/NatGas is our Strategic Reserve. Save it for when the rest of the world runs out.

          by Inland on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 07:43:44 AM PDT

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  •  Why the Hell did he vote to (1+ / 0-)

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    fund this misadventure 69 times

    •  Not 69, but you know why. (0+ / 0-)

      Because there's a different question there: telling the government to stop buying food and ammo for 160,000 troops currently in the field isn't the same as preventing war in the first place.

      People seem to assume that when the defunding comes, Bush just packs everyone up. That's naive. He leaves the troops there, as they run out of food and supplies unit by unit, holding them hostage.

      That's the effect of giving Bush legal authority to keep troops in Iraq as long as he wants.

      Of course, NOW Obama is voting against funding...we are desparate.  Don't blame him for a couple of votes before becoming deperate.  

      Why, you a Kucinich backer?

      Offshore Oil/NatGas is our Strategic Reserve. Save it for when the rest of the world runs out.

      by Inland on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 07:41:45 AM PDT

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  •  The thing is (0+ / 0-)

    times have changed and somehow Bill didn't get the memo.

    The best way to predict the future is to invent it. Alan Kay

    by Robinswing on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 08:12:36 AM PDT

  •  Indeed, the country would have been a better ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... place if Senator Obama had heeded that speech before deciding to vote to fund George Bush's occupation of Iraq.

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