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[Updated] No, I'm Not Waiting For White Approval

Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 06:36:04 AM PDT

In this election, much has been analyzed, over-analyzed, and some has just been plain wrong, in the bubble analysis. But one thing I have seen that is, imo, dangerous is this notion that African Americans are waiting for Whites to approve of all things political before we may speak to it. It is a vestige of slavery, Jim Crow, and the like.

This has got to stop. We talking about possibly electing the first african american president. Yet we are still suggesting that some how black people are waiting for white approval.

No, I'm not waiting for white approval.....

For full disclosure I have decided to support Edwards, and this is not candidate bashing post. I'm writing this from the perspective of an african american and I want to provide a look into the subtle political attack on what I call -- African American Thought Capital. This can just as easily apply to women as well.

In all other power foundations, whether it be music, sports, or entertainment blacks are taken on more leadership roles whether it's becoming producers with respect to music, coaching or owning team with respect to sports, or becoming directors with respect to entertainment. All except the political. When it comes to that somehow black thought capital is transported back to the plantation. We some how "don't understand" power. And the election season has brought out some delusion statements by the media, as well as those representing the candidate. And I say "representing" because sometimes the candidate is pilloried for something a zealous aide may have said.

For example, Clinton supporters/surrogates referred to Obama as "boy" in several appearences. Now some may say that's like saying "dude", but it is not, and does have racial taint to it. Some of Clinton supporters/surrogates, being from the south, know moreso than others, of the negative connotation the word "boy" means when applied to african american men. Now, am I calling Clinton supporters/surrogates racist, of course not, but neither are they stupid. When they chooses words, it's for a reason. When "Nigger" became less savory to say publically, the word "boy" was substituted. It was used not only to demean a black man in front of his family, but also his communtity, and colleagues. Then there is this idea that blacks in South Carolina and elsewhere are waiting with baited-breath to see how white people vote in early primaries. And this little meme is being regurgitated by the press over, and over again, and I can not tell you how insulting that is. However, some blacks make the environment conducive to allowing delusions to flourish. DLC Chair, Harold Ford, is one. He was so worried about white approval, specifically conservative white approval, in Tennesse that he skewed way to the right. Andrew Young, is another. I can assure everyone that I made my decision not based on, soley, analysis by the white community. But I did my homework. And black people have always been politically astute even if we haven't always had a seat at table.

It happen to Carol Mosley Braun, and Al Sharpton during there campaign. Say what you will about them, but they are highly educated and capable of handling themselves. Braun being just as credentialed as Biden on foreign policy, as well as many other black members in Congress. I remember hearing questions like (paraphrasing)"...Carol why are blacks not supporting your candidacy..." as if she would only have appeal to the black community, or the press would ask themselves why Sharpton is held out as a conduit through which to communicate with the african american community. He's not the only conduit, that's just who the predominately white punditocracy has approved of. There are many voice in the african american community should they choose to look for them. And while looking for us please stop patronizing us.

[Update]
- Some one below has "suggested" (to put it politely) I update a particular refernce to Bill Clinton. I can not find a transcribed version of the statement, but did find one of a surrogate. While I stand by my statement that I heard Bill, say or imply that Obama was a boy, I will update the diary as to not reflect badly on DKos. The words "Bill Clinton" was change to "Clinton supporters/surrogates"

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  •  This old white boy's jaw dropped (4+ / 0-)

    at that one, too.

    Some kind of race-wide fear of failure, too?

    That's just old-fashioned meanness, there.

  •  Yes the race card was played (1+ / 0-)

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    serrano

    Poor little Hillary was crying because the thin, tall, young, dice roller, spadeworker, African-American, that know one can trust, was stealing her life's work.

    And this brought the women out in record numbers, to protect Hillary's right to become President.

    •  They Will Pay for That... (1+ / 0-)

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      in SC and beyond!!!  One of the things that strikes (and pleases) me about Barack Obama is that I can sense a qualitative difference in his attitude and demeanor from King and others.  Great as King was, he was still the supplicant, to a degree, knocking on the door.

      Barack Obama carries w/him a proud self-respect and quiet confidence.  His head is held high, and, rather than absorbing hateful and potentially hurtful remarks, he deflects, derides, and dismisses them, continuing to rise to the lofty level for which he is intended.

      The Time is Now!!!

      •  MLK was working within his time (2+ / 0-)

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        and still I never saw him as a supplicant.  He was smart for sure.

        Sen. Obama is benefitting from MLK's work as well as those who stood with him.  But we all benefit from those who go before.  

        Those culture wars Sen. Obama talks about were necessary.

        Democrats, Make it Work. You have until November to bring your electorate in.

        by xanthe on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 07:58:28 AM PDT

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        •  I Did Not Mean Humbled.... (2+ / 0-)

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          but still on the outside looking in.  He had to go to the Kennedys...and LBJ.  If Barack is President...different story!  And I agree MLK was working within his time.  What's hopeful is that...just maybe...we have finally arrived at a better time, beginning to live out the dream...

  •  "One of his speeches"? (0+ / 0-)

    Care to link to the text of that speech?  Or are you just expecting me to take your word for it?

    •  These are some sound bites from Bill's (1+ / 0-)

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      various speeches and interviews.  And I personally don't pay much attention to him.  But these jumped out as obvious denigrating and character assassination comments of his.

      •  So "No" then.... (2+ / 0-)

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        you're just leaving it at "trust me I heard him say boy."

        Ok.

        •  In response... (0+ / 0-)

          not only has Bill said in pulic but other surrogates as well

          •  Aha (0+ / 0-)

            So you have a link proving someone else said it.

            Just no proof that Bill said it, which is the thesis of this entire diary - thereby making it moot, and you an exagerator at best.

          •  Where does it say in that (1+ / 0-)

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            link that Bill or one of his 'surrogates' called Obama boy?

            I missed it.

            In fact, when I used the Find feature on the transcript, boy came up only one and  not in that usage.

            How did I live without him?

            by Pumpkinlove on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 07:57:28 AM PDT

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            •  Here it is... (0+ / 0-)

              ELLEN CHESLER: Well, let’s put all of this a little bit in perspective. The big winner last night in Iowa was the Democratic Party, where two-and-a-half times the number of Republicans voted, and almost 60% more Democrats and independents caucused for the Democrats as four years ago. That’s an extraordinary statement that the treacherous reign of Bush and Cheney is over in this country and that Democrats and independents want change.

              That said, Barack Obama placed first. He is the neighboring boy. He

              Ellen Chesler is on the Clinton campaign

              •  I'm Afraid (0+ / 0-)

                That quote doesn't rise to the level of racism.

                That's a term of endearment.

                It's like saying "He's a hometown boy."

                Using the word "boy" doesn't get an automatic gasp from the entire public from someone trying to make it a racial slur.

                This diary needs to be deleted because everything its based on is for all intents and purposes ... an unsupported lie.

                •  And it wasn't even Bill Saying It (nt) (0+ / 0-)

                •  Here here (1+ / 0-)

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                  How did I live without him?

                  by Pumpkinlove on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 08:07:18 AM PDT

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                •  Listen... (0+ / 0-)

                  Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I have been watching pretty much all the speeches of the dem candidates. It is impossible to have everyword transcribed. When I first heard Bill say it , at first I thought it is was just a passing remark. But I started hearing it said by others and relized it was a tactic. And it wasn't just the specific term of "boy", they used other soft language to imply boy. It was the undertone in which it was given. Had they said Obama is inexperience, that's would have been fine with me and a reasonable accusation.

                  But Obama is a grown man. And Hillary is grown woman and I would just as vehemently defend her against being called -- little lady, or implications thereof.

                  And just because you don't think it is denigrating doesn't mean I don't.

                  •  Do you understand how liabel works? (0+ / 0-)

                    If you state something that you know to be untrue to are at risk for being sued for liability.

                    That's one of the reasons journalists are supposed to take care never, EVER to print anything that they can't prove or at least strongly support.

                    Your allegations are completely false because you can't support them.

                    This diary either needs to have all references of Bill Clinton using the word "boy" in a racial epithet removed, or have the diary taken down all together.

                    If someone alerts the Clinton campaign that the diarist is deliberately allowing an unsubstantiated lie to stay up in a diary, it can not only be bad for the diarist ... but it reflects badly on both Daily Kos, and the authors and readers who take its contents seriously and consider it an important addendum to the day's journalism.

                    PROVE IT OR FUCKING DELETE IT!!!  

              •  Ellen Chesler is not Bill Clinton (0+ / 0-)

                Here's the whole paragraph...

                That said, Barack Obama placed first. He is the neighboring boy. He had a huge bump up in eastern Iowa on the border of Illinois in Springfield, where he served as a legislator. Hillary Clinton placed second. It was a tie for second. They split with 29.5% of the vote each. This is a tiny vote in Iowa. It’s first. It’s important. It sends a message. I think it sends a message to the Clinton campaign about need for greater clarity of message and an emphasis on the core values that Hillary Clinton represents and the extraordinary progressive record that she’s had in Congress as a senator from New York and as a First Lady.

                Frankly, the accusation that this was Bill Clinton calling Obama a boy is inexcusably inaccurate.  Given the ways Obama crew is going on about how young and fresh he is, I simply don't see the issue with pointing out that he's the boy next door for Iowa.  It simply does not have the same connotation as saying, "boy, mind your place"

                And she is a supporter of Clinton according to that site.. how does that make her a surrogate?

                How did I live without him?

                by Pumpkinlove on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 08:06:52 AM PDT

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  •  I was wondering why nobody had called me (1+ / 0-)

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    and asked me whom I wanted them to vote for in SC.  Now I got my answer.  Good diary-of course I plan to vote for the same guy you do, for similiar reasons.  I want you at my table, not CIGNA.

    "I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, you know I'm a peaceful man.'" Robbie Robertson

    by NearlyNormal on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 06:51:15 AM PDT

    •  Isn't that amazing... (1+ / 0-)

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      ...they only canvassed black people after Obama won Iowa caucus,......what.....they didn't matter before the caucus.

      •  They don't give a shit until they think they can (2+ / 0-)

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        use you.  Its a mess and the superficial job of analyzing the problems is very discouraging here in our time of real trouble.  What will unify the country to some extent is getting some policies in place that lead to programs which enable people to do things which make their lives better.  Its a long process and time is wasting.  Even with an Edwards presidency and a democratic congress it will take two terms just to get things started in the right direction and have the effects begin to get on line.  Like Education, hell we won't get the benefits of primary school education for a couple of decades-thoug the ill effects of a lack of education show up far quicker, as a Juvenile Public Defender I know that for sure.

        Don't want to ramble on here, but its a long process and powerful interests don't want it to work and will use every low tool they can to stop it.  Divide and conquer has worked for generations.

        "I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, you know I'm a peaceful man.'" Robbie Robertson

        by NearlyNormal on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 07:19:26 AM PDT

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  •  I'm not waiting for male approval. (4+ / 0-)

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    xanthe, ExStr8, sephius1, FishOutofWater

    How did I live without him?

    by Pumpkinlove on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 06:58:36 AM PDT

  •  Your update is pitiful (0+ / 0-)

    How did I live without him?

    by Pumpkinlove on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 09:31:22 AM PDT

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