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Let's say you wake up Nov 5th and the Diebold vote counts have reversed the polling numbers, so that McCain has won by the margin Obama had led by.

Al Gore has advocated civil disobedience to block coal plants.  Naomi Wolf says the appropriate response to election fraud is shutting down freeways, shutting down businesses, bringing business across the country to a halt.

Has anyone here at Kos seriously considered what response, if any, would be appropriate if this election were stolen?  What would you recommend?


Below are 18 facts about voting in the US, with links to verify each one.


If you only skim, read facts 12-18 -- Fact 18 documents how every voting machine error detected in Florida went in favor of Bush and the GOP -- not some, but EVERY voting error reported.

If you are inclined to skim this post, at least read items 12 through 18. Could the election be stolen?

Yes, it could.


1.  80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies:  Diebold and ES&S.

2.   There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the machine industry.

3.  The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.

4.  The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was 'committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year.'

5.  Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.

6.  Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.

7.  Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.

8.  ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.

9.  Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of anyvotes.  In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming outof the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.

10.  Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.

11.  Diebold is based in Ohio.

12.  Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.

13.  Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of Global Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold.  Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States.

14.Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a 'high degree of sophistication' to evade detection over a period of 2 years.

15.  None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.

16.  California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it!  (See the movie here: .)

17.  30% of all U.S.votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.

18.  All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.

Is it worthwhile to consider in advance the possibility of massive voter fraud, and create a well-reasoned strategy to respond?

Originally posted to Yo yo yo on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 07:29 AM PDT.

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