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There are, certainly, exceptions:  from Thomas Paine to Thomas Jefferson, from John Locke to John Kennedy.  

In fact, there are many, there are multitudes down through history's march, of us Anglo-Saxons who have been, who are, or who try (Lord knows, we try) live up to the best in the Nature of Newton, of Wordsworth, of Madison, of Elizabeth (as in QE I), of Halley, of Shakespeare, of Elgar, of Irving, of Blake, of Drake, of Lincoln, of the Roosevelts, of all those Anglo-Saxon (and here I include Celts and variations on the bloodlines coming into and leaving the British Isles and Eire) philosophers, teachers, politicians, explorers, composers, scientists, artists, poets, architects, musicians, engineers, scholars, doctors, playwrights, and others who have contributed oh-so-much to the betterment Human Society and The Human Condition.    

But, dayum, it seems like every day I grow more embarrassed by the public antics and dumbassery of those American Anglos who herd around Sarah Palin -- and to a lesser extent, John McCain -- and spout idiocies and display stupidities the likes of which would make Jefferson recoil in horror.  

NOTE:  The "money quote" is at the end.

Certainly, Stupid White People are no recent phenomenon.  And, certainly, their proclivity to run wild when adequately stimulated, when the Darker Angels of Their Nature are goosed.  

When the First Populist, Andrew Jackson, was elected our Nation's President in 1828, the Inaugural Party in March 1829 became legendary for Crackers Gone Wild in Washington:

"The crowd quickly took possession of the White House:  So many people were squeezed inside that the building itself creaked and shuddered dangerously.  A bodyguard of loyal friends had to form a ring around the scarecrow figure of Jackson so he wouldn’t be crushed to death or asphyxiated by well-wishers.  The strangers behaved if they were in a Mississippi saloon, standing in mud-caked boots on the damask chairs for a better view."


Mind you, it wasn't only WASPy good ol' boys:

"Everyone from the highest and most polished," marveled one attendee, Joseph Story, an associate judge of the Supreme Court, "down to the most vulgar and gross of the nation," wanted their slice of the action. There are numerous accounts from well-to-do white observers who were shocked to see free African-Americans in the throng, including bevies of children and one 'stout black wench' (noted Senator James Hamilton Jr. with disdain) who sat by herself in a back room, 'eating in this free country a jelley with a gold spoon in the President’s House.' Some compared the crowd to the barbarians in Rome."


". . . in this free county..."  Heh.

"Cut glass and china to the amount of several thousand dollars had been broken in the struggle to get the refreshments, punch and other articles had been carried out in tubs and buckets, but had it been in hogsheads it would have been insufficient, ice-creams, and cake and lemonade, for 20,000 people, for it is said that number were there, tho' I think the number exaggerated.

"Ladies fainted, men were seen with bloody noses and such a scene of confusion took place as is impossible to describe, - those who got in could not get out by the door again, but had to scramble out of windows. At one time, the President who had retreated and retreated until he was pressed against the wall, could only be secured by a number of gentleman forming around him and making a kind of barrier of their own bodies, and the pressure was so great that Col. Bomford who was one said that at one time he was afraid they should have been pushed down, or on the President. It was then the windows were thrown open, and the torrent found an outlet, which otherwise might have proved fatal.

"This concourse had not been anticipated and therefore not provided against. Ladies and gentlemen, only had been expected at this Levee, not the people en masse. But it was the People's day, and the People's President and the People would rule."

From the Letter of Margaret Bayard Smith, March 11, 1829.  

At any rate, my point is that Sarah Palin didn't invent the Anglo proclivity to lose control.  But the revelers in Washington in March 1829 seemed to be more or less good-natured.

More recently we have the likes of Pat Buchanan and his infamous "Culture War Speech" at the 1992 Republican National Convention, the one that Molly Ivins described as probably reading "better in the original German".

And then we have THESE guys, who all did their various things between the time Buchanan did his 1992 RNC Speech and this past week, when the videos below were shot:

Anglo terrorists . . .

Tim McVeigh
Would he support Obama/Biden, or Sarah Palin, and her sidekick?

Eric Rudolph
Would he support Obama/Biden, or Sarah Palin, and her sidekick?

One of the Proud Anglo Murderers of James Byrd, Jr.
Would this guy, John William King, and his buddies support Obama/Biden, or Sarah Palin, and her sidekick?

And . . . sigh, there's this:

Hat-tip to Jed Report for this incredible vid


And, then, there are THESE, ahem, persons (h/t to all the Kosniacs who've put these up over the past few days):





Again, I'll leave you with this:


"The normal American of the 'pure-blooded' majority goes to rest every night with an uneasy feeling that there is a burglar under the bed, and he gets up every morning with a sickening fear that his underwear has been stolen.

      "This Anglo-Saxon of the great herd is, in many important respects, the least civilized of white men and the least capable of true civilization.  His political ideas are crude and shallow.  His is almost wholly devoid of esthetic feeling.  The most elementary facts about the visible universe alarm him, and incite him to put them down.  Educate him, make a professor of him, teach him how to express his soul, and he still remains palpably third-rate.  He fears ideas almost as much as he fears men. . . ."

      H.L. Mencken


So it seems.

I'm not trying to whip-up animosity, let alone hatred, against Anglos -- again, I'm one of 'em.  I'm just scratching my head and wondering, "What's WITH these people?"


Originally posted to BenGoshi on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:09 AM PDT.

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    •  They're mad as hell, and ready to lynch (7+ / 0-)

      Regardless of their own poor choices, they are much more interrested in dragging down anyone that's not like them. You know, like 'that one'.
      Mob mentality is easily manipulated but difficult to stop. I guess its the primal instinct of those too lazy to afford others the same opportunities they take for granted. I hope I'm never one of them.
      Thanks Ben, let's have a good stretch run.

      •  Pretty typical conservative thinking (2+ / 0-)
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        BenGoshi, Lexicon

        "You should think more like I do, because if we disagree then you must be wrong".

        Talk to any conservative, and see how long it takes for them to get completely frustrated when you fail to see it their way.

        The fundy in my office has a vein that throbs in his neck when I point out that GW Bush admitted there never was a connection between Iraq and 9-11.

        He still refuses to believe it, however. He claimed someone doctored the YouTube video voice over when Bush said "nothing" in response to the question about Saddam's link to 9-11.

        Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. Thomas Jefferson 6/11/1807

        by Patriot4peace on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 09:00:04 AM PDT

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  •  Asshole-Americans (12+ / 0-)

    please. My pasty white skin might look like theirs, but that's where the similarity ends.

    Once again, I don't have a clever sig.

    by MaskedKat on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:12:31 AM PDT

  •  I'm afraid that with 35,690,137 short diaries... (16+ / 0-)

    . . .  that have/will come above this one, it won't get "the read" I'd like it to before scrolling down, and off the list.  Alas.

    But at least I've archived these thoughts and can link back to this diary when the opportunity presents.


    "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

    by BenGoshi on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:18:30 AM PDT

  •  the roosevelts were Dutch in ancestry (2+ / 0-)
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    and there are many varieties of Anglo, for example the Scotch Irish, the culture of the great swath of land followed by Daniel Boone.  Hard scrabble farmers and platation owners, Appalachian songsters and fueders (the Hatfields and the McCoys) and deeply democratic and communitarin Brits who had been members of the armies that supported Cromwell and cast out by him once he was in power (See Mary Lee Settle's wonderful novels about just such a figure)  More than anything, through the struggles over the years especially the 16th and 17th centuries in England, they worked out a vision of democracy that underpins everything worthwhile in the structures and institutions of this country.  I am not an Anglo, I am a Jew.  We too have democratic institutions, communitarian leadership, etc. so we fit well when we came.  Never feel that Anglos have given nothing.  

    WE must hang together or we will all hang separately. B.Franklin

    by ruthhmiller on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:23:42 AM PDT

    •  I knew that there would be this big kerfuffle... (2+ / 0-)
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      . . . over exactly who in my list was "purely Anglo"  (as if anybody is "purely Anglo", "Anglo-Saxon" or anything like it these days)  and who was had a higher % of Celt, or Norman, or Dutch blood in them.

      That misses the point, but I thank your reading this and Hx lesson.

      And, of course, had you really, really, read the Introduction of the diary, you would've noted that I started off with a litany of names and professions (from Queen to philosopher to scientist to poet) of Anglos that have, indeed, contribute to the betterment of humanity.


      "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

      by BenGoshi on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:28:52 AM PDT

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  •  Beautifully done brother Ben. (10+ / 0-)

    Love the Mencken quote.  Loved this too:

    But, dayum, it seems like every day I grow more embarrassed by the public antics and dumbassery of those American Anglos who herd around Sarah Palin -- and to a lesser extent, John McCain -- and spout idiocies and display stupidities the likes of which would make Jefferson recoil in horror.

    "The truth shall set you free - but first it'll piss you off." Gloria Steinem

    Iraq Moratorium

    by One Pissed Off Liberal on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:25:19 AM PDT

  •  Well it's obvious they're inferior (2+ / 0-)
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    I mean, anyone can see that.  I'm not prejudiced, but I'm afraid of them getting too much power :)

    Want a progressive global warming novel, not a right wing rant? Go to for a free audio thriller.

    by eparrot on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:29:10 AM PDT

  •  ben, a hell of a post. (2+ / 0-)
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    Of course, a handful of GOPee'rs themselves recognized the danger, and stood up in public about it. That was fascinating to see. Perhaps a first, where present and former officeholders said enough was enough.

    But, it might be too late, because the raw meat already fed to these dogs might be enough to tip our society into mob-based actions. Our society has been made brittle, fragile, scared, and on the verge of collapse, not just economically, but socially. And Palin and McCain are pouring on more fuel in a last ditch effort to gain higher office.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:31:13 AM PDT

  •  I can just see (4+ / 0-)
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    the early 19th century disdain upon seeing a "stout black woman" in the "President's house".

    Makes me wonder about the diversity in the current White House, and just what is the racial makeup of the staff today.

    I have a feeling Old Stonewall would be appalled at the current state of affairs and the elitist attitude of todays politicians.

    Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. Thomas Jefferson 6/11/1807

    by Patriot4peace on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:33:14 AM PDT

    •  Well, a whole 'nother diary (or dissertation)... (6+ / 0-)

      . . . would be on Jefferson's clarion call for universal education and the necessity of an educated populace in order to maintain a Republic.  And, of course, the not-so-ironic aspect of the Palin Crowd's disdain for public education and the link between that disdain (hell, hostility) and their own, sad narrow-mindedness.

      "If the children . . . are untaught, their ignorance and vices will in future life cost us much dearer in their consequences, than it would have done, in their correction, by a good education."

      See various Jefferson quotes on education here.


      "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

      by BenGoshi on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:38:15 AM PDT

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  •  On behalf of Irish Americans everywhere (9+ / 0-)

    ...let me apollogize for Pat Buchanan, Bill O-Loofah and the Catholic League Guy (Whatshisface)

    Today's Halloween Movie Viewing: Damnation Alley (1977)

    by jds1978 on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:41:22 AM PDT

  •  i tried (1+ / 0-)
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    to REC this Ben. Don'tknowifitworked.heh???

  •  Recognizing the barbarism is the first step (3+ / 0-)
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    I've always been bemused that, when Hitler's Brown Shirts were first breaking up opponents' political rallies -- and heads -- that many Germans thought "that can't be true.  No one would really do that in our democracy."

    Of course, they did.

    And these people will, too, if they are given a chance.  

    "It's possible for human being(sic) and fish to co-exist peacefully." George W. Bush

    by mississippi scott on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:55:45 AM PDT

  •  I worked w/ LOTS of morons in MA. in '80-9 (4+ / 0-)
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    when I was in the cooking cheffing racket, whether I worked fine dining down town Boston or some hash house in the hinterlands.

    while they weren't the bible thumping fire breathing kind of moron, they DID live comfortably in the sea of soundbite lies provided by the fascists.

    oh, and, by the way, there are lots and lots and lots of VERY educated liberals in MA.  Of the many I met and knew, most of whom didn't seem to have much interaction with the morons, most of them would tell me how complex the world was and is and how these simple souls needed more education

    and tomes and tomes and tomes

    and then the morons would see how complex and un-simple the world is,

    and then the morons could join the chardonany volvo crowd!

    (well, except ... how many people can afford to live in Lexington, Newton, Chestnut Hill, Cambridge, Wellesley...)

    and for decades, from before Dukakis, Gore and Kerry, the dem response to morons has been, in essence, condescending suggestions to get thee to a K-School.

    About 20 years ago I decided that, for the really rabid sound bite repeater shit heads,


    "so YOU got a 100 million dollar tax handout ???
    Corportate Welfare is the FREE MARKET ? HA HA HA



    I Honestly believe that until their brains are figuratively SLAPPED outta the sea of soundbite clouds, they ain't listen to anything reasonable.

    we actually need fewer tomes of criticsm and MORE focus on the COST of shitty legislation, imNho.

    HOW many MORE hours are you going to work this year so the fuckers on wall street can keep their yachts and mansions?


    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 09:10:51 AM PDT

  •  what's with these people? (1+ / 0-)
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    usually a below-average IQ, burdened by isolation and a collapsing public education system

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 09:25:05 AM PDT

  •  Dumb white females (1+ / 0-)
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    I can just imagine how the woman who said Obama is an Arab thought it through: OMG his name sounds like Osama. Osama, Obama, Osama, Obama. My nephew said he's a Muslim and Sarah says he's a terrorist. OMG Osama the Muslim terrorist is running for President. And he's black! And from Chicago. He's a black Muslim from Chicago! What are we to do? I'm sacred. I'm really scared!!!!!!

    Let the pastors, rabbis and mullahs mutter their mumbo-jumbo in private and leave the rest of us alone.

    by detler on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 09:59:02 AM PDT

  •  zappa said it best, (5+ / 0-)

    Hey, you know something people?
    I'm not black
    But there's a whole lots a times
    I wish I could say I'm not white

    Two thirds of the world's surface is covered by water, the other third is covered by Jacoby Ellsbury.

    by rasbobbo on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 10:13:20 AM PDT

  •  It's always been a delicate balance (3+ / 0-)
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    Society's always been a delicate balance between some group and another--whether it's us vs. them, those guys vs. those other guys, or whatever.

    I think the big game now is for the Haves to convince the Have-Nots that they (the haves) are not the enemy. Imagine what would happen if the Have-Nots took offense because the Haves are living an easy life? No worries about healthcare, no worries about job loss, no worries about the majority of the things that Have-Nots worry about day to day.

    Nope, the Haves are clever enough to use the old standby--divide and conquer. Pit your (potential) enemies against each other so they don't fight you.

    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

    by mmcole on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 07:51:09 PM PDT

    •  Trying to avoid getting put up against the wall. (2+ / 0-)
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      Yeh, the GOP Hyper-haves have played lower-income Euro-Americans like fiddles, ever since Reagan, really.


      "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

      by BenGoshi on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 04:15:05 AM PDT

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      •  yeahp, and finally BO has developed the language (1+ / 0-)
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        - in fact the only appropriate language to help persuade ppl of this fact, and he is succeeding in breaking down the GOP lies!  The Democrats have had the winning policies since the sixties, and somehow time and again they took it for granted that people could somehow get it, without bothering to break it down. Of course lies are always easier to package and convey precisely because like Hollywood, they are fiction, and therefore are told in movie style (in attractive colors and pretty faces, and simple one liners, etc) so of course the Left always had more of a challenge, but they simply failed to rise to it, and as I said many times before including during both The Clinton and Tony Blair eras, those two were the worst things to happen to progressivism with their belief that tacking to the center right was the way out of the Left's political oblivion! Finally, I saw a bright light with Dean, that faded I think in great part due to Clintonian/Blairite teachings that we could not win with true progressive policy, but Dean, I believe strongly, has been exonerated by Obama's success in translating the gods, guns, gays argument in even simpler more palatable terms! oh, and as a black African, I do have to wonder sometimes, yeah, WTF is it with that gang of psycho anglos? This campaign however, and in particular this community has truly restored my faith in mankind, and I can truly sleep easier at night knowing that seemingly the greater majority of white Americans are capable of seeing and evaluating me and my offspring on our character! So thanks to all you sane ones out there, it seems there are indeed more of you!

        McCain't give a damn and won't even try!

        by karanja on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 11:36:37 AM PDT

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  •  I'd rec this if I could (1+ / 0-)
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    Well done.

    Election 2008 = IQ test for America

    by Indie Tarheel on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:29:16 AM PDT

    •  Thanks. As mentioned (a couple of times)... (1+ / 0-)
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      The damn "Twitter Diaries" (e.g., 3 sentences and one vid) push these things down and off too fast.  Wish the admin would do something about it.  Alas.


      "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

      by BenGoshi on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 11:59:42 AM PDT

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