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The BBC  has found possibly the oldest person to vote in this year's election. A 106 year old nun living in a convent in Rome for the last 50 years, Sister Cecilia Gaudette last voted in 1952 for Eisenhower. This year she has registered to vote and is voting for Obama.

Sister Cecilia Gaudette says she keeps up to date by reading newspapers and watching TV at the convent. She has obviously been influenced by the librul European media (must be those Commie Catholics in the Vatican seeing as the Italian broadcasters are either owned or controlled by Berlusconi)

"I'm encouraged by Senator Obama," she says.

"I've never met him, but he seems to be a good man with a good private life. That's the first thing. Then he must be able to govern,"

Meanwhile Senator Obama is leading McCain by 8,764 electoral votes to 13 in a global poll run by The Economist.  McCain is ahead in Macedonia and Georgia (the other one).

Originally posted to Lib Dem FoP on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 09:54 AM PDT.

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  •  8764 electoral votes? (2+ / 0-)
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    cookiesandmilk, David Kroning

    Did we suddenly become a global empire?

    •  It's a "what if," hypothetical scenario -- (3+ / 0-)
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      Alma, Arken, sickofcynicism

      What if we had a global electoral college. It's pretty funny to look at; basically the whole world map is blue.

      To John McCain, War is not a metaphor for Life; Life is a metaphor for War.

      by NWTerriD on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:02:23 AM PDT

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    •  No, but the rest of the world cares... (5+ / 0-)
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      Alma, Arken, luckylizard, allep10, silvergirl

      I live in the UK, and anytime you start talking about the US election, the pro-Obama feelings are quite astonishing.  We're WILLING him to win on November 4th.

      Whoever sits in the Oval Office has a HUGE impact on the rest of the world.  So we're sending our hypothetical votes for the guy best positioned to help avoid WWIII.  :o)

      From the future Mrs Colbert.

      by recruitgal on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:02:39 AM PDT

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  •  This is hard to believe... (1+ / 0-)
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    SlackwareGrrl

    If she's a member of the Catholic Church--and living in Rome no less--she surely would be admonished for choosing to vote for someone who is Pro Choice.

    •  In my experience, Catholic Sisters are almost (9+ / 0-)

      always liberal.  I don't find this hard to believe at all.

      "Never separate the life you live from the words you speak" -Paul Wellstone

      by WellstoneDem on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 09:59:10 AM PDT

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    •  Nope (3+ / 0-)
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      Alma, luckylizard, charliestl

      The Pope would look very bad admonishing a 106 year old cloistered nun.

      Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a community organizer; George Wallace was a governor.

      by SlackwareGrrl on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:06:02 AM PDT

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    •  I was thinking something similar. (1+ / 0-)
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      luckylizard

      Time was when the Catholic hierarchy -- or at least the US Catholic Conference, the political arm which for tax purposes is a separate entity from the church itself -- used to actually keep in mind the WHOLE of Catholic social teaching when making pronouncements about political issues and candidates.

      So abortion wasn't a litmus test; it was one issue among many: death penalty, war, economic justice and the "preferential option for the poor," etc.

      From what I've been able to gather this cycle, there's no such broad, inclusive view going on; the Catholic church this time around is indistinguishable from the right-wing fundies in being a one-issue "voter." And that is not starting with the American bishops; it's starting in Rome and trickling down. Benedict XVI is not JP II.

      So I'm thinking that nun who's been living at the Vatican for 50 years might find herself experiencing a change of venue soon.

      To John McCain, War is not a metaphor for Life; Life is a metaphor for War.

      by NWTerriD on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:11:51 AM PDT

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      •  You should check out the Bishops' document... (5+ / 0-)
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        on voting, at www.faithfulcitizenship.org.  It indeed discusses the main issues you mentioned and more. Take out abortion and marriage, and the document is more progressive than the Democratic party platform.

        •  I looked for something like that a few days (0+ / 0-)

          ago and couldn't find any substantial discussion of any issue except abortion. I'll check out your citation.

          To John McCain, War is not a metaphor for Life; Life is a metaphor for War.

          by NWTerriD on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:45:56 AM PDT

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          •  Click the link for (3+ / 0-)
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            "Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship" on the home page.  They start discussing issues on page 19, but the preceding pages are interesting for the discussion on the way Catholics should vote. The bishops call voters to be fully informed on all the issues and weigh them.

            Also, you might be interested to see a voting guide by a lay Catholic group, Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good. It further discusses the call for Catholics to be fully informed on many different issues: http://www.catholicsinalliance.org/...

            •  This is a great document! (0+ / 0-)

              I have been "hawking it" here for weeks.  What I think is astounding is that some bishops in the U.S. have chosen to speak and act contrary to their own document.  I don't know if they were opposed to it to begin with or are just ignorant of its contents.  

              I teach in a Catholic school so you can imagine that what few political discussions there are have a particular focus.  I have printed this for fellow teachers and encouraged others to look it up and read it.  It gives a much better picture of the entire mosaic of issues. It also requires some serious thinking by the Catholic voter.  I think some folks would be much more comfortable if it were just black and white but personally, I think God gave me a good head to use for something beside a hat-rack!

              I am of the opinion that abortion would not decrease much at all even if Roe were repealed.  I do think a lot more women would die of botched procedures.  If there were a serious focus on reducing unplanned/unwanted pregnancies, THAT would reduce abortions.  

              -7.62, -7.28 "We told the truth. We obeyed the law. We kept the peace." - Walter Mondale

              by luckylizard on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 12:25:43 PM PDT

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          •  the document essentially upholds the seamless.. (3+ / 0-)
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            garment.  It makes two important distinctions.  Not all issues are equal but that doesn't mean we can dismiss our obligations to act in defense of all threats to human dignity.  This means all threats to human dignity are important moral priorities.

            If you want peace, work for justice.

            by James Salt on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:55:12 AM PDT

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      •  No Litmus Test (1+ / 0-)
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        While there are a few US bishops who focus only on abortion to the exclusion of other issues, the vast majority do not and the statements from the US Conference of Catholic Bishops looks at a host of issues.  It does caution Catholics of treating abortion as just another issue, but it also stresses that opposition to legalized abortion can't justify ignoring the other issues.

        Contrary to what the media would have one believe the church recognizes the limitations of focusing sole on one method of combating abortion (i.e. criminalization) in a democratic society where the majority do not share that view.  Douglas Kmiec address that issues in his pro-Obama book "Can a Cathoiic Vote for Him" in which he makes the case that, although he is not Catholic, Obama could arguably be the most Catholic candidate to ever have a serious shot at winning the US presidency given his approach to community and stances on economics.

    •  Remember divorce (1+ / 0-)
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      Divorce is also a big no-no for the Catholic church which might account for the comment I extracted about Obama's private life.

      Ironically most people outside the USA can separate politics from religion far more easily. You only have to look at the abortion and gay policies in Spain and Italy to realize that. The most "priest ridden" countries these days are probably Poland and Ireland, in that order.

      John McCain Sarah Palin! = Panic! Jail harsh con man.

      by Lib Dem FoP on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:13:15 AM PDT

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    •  No Surprise (1+ / 0-)
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      Juniperus

      The whole "Catholics can't vote for a 'pro-choice' candidate" is largely an American phenomena whipped up by the right in an effort to distract voters from the bigger picture.  The issue seldom reaches the same level in Europe and the rest of the world and has a lot to do with the Puritanical/Calvanistic influences on American culture.

    •  Keep in mind during the primaries .... (0+ / 0-)

      ...the nuns in Indiana who were barred from voting in the Democratic primary.

       And Sister Helen Prejean of "Dead Man Walking" fame. She apparently has issues with Senator Obama - but more because of her opposition to the death penalty. And she spoke at the DNC Convention in Denver.

      "We should pay attention to that man behind the curtain."

      by Ed Tracey on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 12:39:45 PM PDT

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  •  They don't call it the Big Blue Marble for (1+ / 0-)
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    nothing...

    Heh...I loved that show with Hal Linden when I was a kid.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:00:16 AM PDT

  •  For folks in Pennsylvania (2+ / 0-)
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    Alma, Bulldawg

    This article should be made known in Scranton and to other Catholics.

    Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a community organizer; George Wallace was a governor.

    by SlackwareGrrl on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:08:18 AM PDT

  •  Catholics United is changing this conversation (5+ / 0-)

    Catholics United, an organization I work for, is working to change the debate regarding Catholic moral values in public life.

    Here's a quote from our executive director that ran in the Scranton Times a week ago:

    Chris Korzen, the executive director of the progressive Catholic group Catholics United, said those other issues, which the church considers "intrinsic evils," are "conspicuously absent" from Bishop Martino’s letter.

    The absence of any mention of racism is particularly striking, he said, given that a Scranton Diocese parishioner was quoted in a recent New York Times story making a derogatory statement about Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama’s race inside the Holy Rosary rectory.

    We've been working hard to change this conversation and we're getting noticed.  Here's a story from last Sunday's New York Times that addresses our work:

    In response, a coalition of liberal lay Catholics is pushing back, criticizing the bishop's message for neglecting other aspects of "life" talked about in Catholic social teachings, like concern for the poor.

    To underscore the point, a nun is collecting the signatures of prominent Catholic leaders there for a newspaper advertisement reminding those who may be wary of voting for Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, the Democratic nominee for president, that the church also considers racism a sin that threatens the dignity of life.

    If you like what we are doing, I ask that you join our cause by becoming a member and signing up for our email alerts here.  Together we are making a difference.

    If you want peace, work for justice.

    by James Salt on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 10:52:44 AM PDT

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