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With millions of new voters registering nationwide, the GOP has gone on the offensive to prevent as many of these new voters from making it to the polls as possible.  And as of today, they've scored a massive victory in Ohio...

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Talking Points Memo has the story:

The full 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati upheld a lower court ruling that Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner must use other government records to check thousands of new voters for registration fraud.

A three-judge panel of the 6th Circuit had disagreed last week, but the full court's ruling overturns that decision.

Ohio Republicans had sued Brunner, a Democrat. Her spokesman had no immediate comment Tuesday.

About 666,000 Ohioans have registered to vote since January, with many doing so before the contested Democratic primary election last March between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Since then, Ohio Republicans have filed a series of challenges to the registrations and Brunner's administration of election rules. They have helped voters file lawsuits against local boards of election over registration rules, absentee ballot requests and a weeklong period that allowed registration and voting on the same day.

Brunner previously said there was no way to set up the system with such speed.

Last week, a three-judge panel of the 6th Circuit had sided with Brunner, but after hearing an appeal the full panel sided with the GOP and U.S. District Judge George C. Smith in Columbus. Smith had ordered Brunner to develop a way to verify voter registration information and make it available to local election boards.

So basically, now we have to trust the always reliable DMV and Social Security Adminstration to have accurate information on all the newly registered voters.  Hmm... who here thinks that citizens are more likely to know how to spell their names and where they live than the DMV is?

We need to promote this story and fight it tooth and nail.  The GOP is intentionally undermining voter confidence in the electoral system despite having not a shred of evidence to prove any conspiracy to commit voter fraud.  In fact, a five year investigation by the Bush Adminstration revealed only 120 prosecutable offenses of voter fraud in a nation where 100 million people turn out for presidential elections.

And now 600,000 people in Ohio could possibly lose their right to vote just so the GOP can "insure the integrity of the voting system."  Just like the Clear Skies Act (which reduced air pollution controls) and the Patriot Act (which undermined the Constitution), we can always be sure that whatever Republicans are claiming to do, they are really doing the exact opposite.

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UPDATE: Let me add something here in response to some of the comments that we shouldn't worry about this, or that this is hyperbole.  I agree that the GOP won't succeed at dumping all 600,000 voters off the rolls, but they may very well succeed in dumping several tens of thousands.  There was a story in last week's New York Times that dealt with the issue of voter purges and how tens of thousands were being denied the right to vote because something didn't match up in their Social Security information.

The time to worry about these actions is not after the election, it's right now.  One eligible voter deprived of the right to vote is one too many.

UPDATE II: HungryCoyote asks a good question.  If Social Security files are accurate, then why has the Social Security Administration asked states not to use them to verify voters (unless they simply don't have a valid driver's license)?

UPDATE III: All right, we made the rec list.  Thanks guys, and those who come here, please keep recommending the story so that it will still be available for readers tomorrow.

UPDATE IV: HungryCoyote points out a good excerpt from that New York Times article:

The six swing states seem to be in violation of federal law in two ways. Michigan and Colorado are removing voters from the rolls within 90 days of a federal election, which is not allowed except when voters die, notify the authorities that they have moved out of state, or have been declared unfit to vote.

So, this seems top to bottom to be a pretty scummy thing for the GOP to be doing.

UPDATE V: On a related note, I covered some of this topic in a blog post the other day dealing with ACORN and the GOP's misleading claims of voter fraud.  I suppose we all have a good bead on that story by now, but if not, you can read more on that here.

UPDATE VI: Some in the comments have wondered just what they can do.  At first I had posted the contact info for a couple of SoS offices so that we could voice our support for Sec. Brunner standing up for voting rights, but some think that this might be counter productive, so I've deleted that and am now simply recommending writing to Ohio newspapers.

If you live in Ohio, then I suggest you take the time to write a letter to the editor of a major Ohio newspaper:

Email The Columbus Dispatch


Visit the Cincinnati Enquirer

UPDATE VII: Apparently this diary was mentioned on MSNBC Wednesday morning.  I guess that's about as cool as it gets for an amateur blogger.

Originally posted to Big Blue on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:15 PM PDT.

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  •  This is hyperbole. (19+ / 0-)

    DMV records and SS records are generally available online and SS records are quite accurate.  This is a burdensome task for the Ohio SOS, but it is manageable.  I doubt more than a marginal number of voters will be denied the ability to vote.  Certainly those whom the Obama campaign specifically targeted are unlikely to be affected.  

    Alternative rock with something to say:

    by khyber900 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:18:38 PM PDT

    •  It may be hyperbole... (36+ / 0-)

      ...that they're going to succeed in disenfranchising 600,000 voters, but it's certainly not hyperbole that that is what they're attempting to do.

      And call me crazy, but I'm betting most citizens don't update their information at the SS website.  Heck, until you posted that I didn't even know we could do such a thing, and I'm pretty savvy of such matters.

    •  Apologies... (11+ / 0-)

      I see that you're saying that the record can be checked online, not updated.

      In most states, the Social Security files are to be used as an absolute last resort for cross-checking voter information (because it frequently contains errors, I assume).  Now this court is saying Ohio needs to go there first.

    •  In addition, you can figure no more than 2-3% (14+ / 0-)

      of new registrations will have a problem, and once the task is completed a very publicly 'vetted' community of newly registered Ohio voters will push the state into the Obama column, presumably with zero wiggle room for Republican anti-vote hysterics.

      (0+ / 0-), (0+ / 0-), it's off to kos I go...

      by doorguy on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:24:35 PM PDT

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    •  Perfect description -- hyperbole (3+ / 0-)

      Some small fraction of a percentage of 600,000 may be unable to vote. Even then, you gotta ask, if they don't have an SSN, who exactly disenfranchised them?

      As you say, this is a little more work for the state government. Nothing more.

      It does show the importance of having Democrats in state positions.

      It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

      by Fishgrease on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:24:37 PM PDT

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      •  I think... (19+ / 0-)

        ... checking more than 600,000 voters would be more than just a "little work" for the elections people.  In fact, Sec. of State Brunner says it can't even be done in time for the election.

        •  Can't someone write a program to match-up (1+ / 0-)
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          these Ohio names and numbers with SS Administration. Kick out the problematic ones for direct action.

          "But their gift is an empty snake, Carrying hypocrisy in its mouth like venom" - Sami Al Hajj

          by walkshills on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:59:28 PM PDT

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          •  Somone could, *****IF***** (6+ / 0-)

            they have access to the database from SS Admin, if the database from Ohio can be converted to match the SS Admin database (or vice versa) which is far more complex than just comparing names on spreadsheets, and if they've got some means of demonstrating that this is entirely accurate to the satisfaction of the Ohio SoS and presumably the Republican lawyers.  Doing all of that is not going to be quick, and then that will leave no time to deal with the thousands that get kicked off the roles.

            I could see this not being done in time.

            While I hate to think of it, how about provisional ballots and making the Republicans pay to count them after the election once the names are reviewed?  We can't just let them ignore the ballots because all the other races will rely upon them as well.

            •  Exact Match=disinfrangment Fuzzy Match=Verificati (5+ / 0-)
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              Both data bases exist as electronic files and comparison can be done in a matter of hours.

              However, using dumb matching criteria only men who have never moved are left on  the rolls.

              I jest, but when they tried it in one county it recommended removal of half of the board of elections from the rolls.

              Fuzzy logic, like that used by search engines to match search terms with web pages has a much lower number of false negatives (higher selectivity and sensitivity)

              We just need to insist that they demonstrate that the program can match a lady with her social security number despite using her maiden name etc.

              That will be hard when they are talking about using only the last 4 of the social, but doable.

              We need to say no to 'exact match" or any program that shows an inability to correctly identify a cohort of legal registered voters as legal registered voters. If it can not correctly identify 300 controls  it should not be used.

            •  And voting is already taking place (7+ / 0-)
              in unprecedented numbers, so all hands are already on deck for that. Large numbers have already voted, making this check intrinsically unequal.

              We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

              by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 02:48:10 AM PDT

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        •  it's not like they're not already crazy busy (2+ / 0-)
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          It's not just about new registrations, either. They are being very cautious about handling absentee ballot requests for registered voters. My husband registered in summer '06 & has voted absentee since, including the March primary. His absentee ballot request for November got held up (for a month!) in processing because they decided the signature on his ballot req didn't match the one on his voter reg card. They wanted him to file a new one. When he called the BofE, staff couldn't even bring up his registration, and said the signatures on his last several elections documents matched just fine.

          Weird, yes, worrisome maybe. All I know is that they've got their hands full already.

      •  Yes and No (7+ / 0-)

        Yes to the importance of Democrats in the state positions.  We must push hard and swiftly for better voter registration laws when Obama wins (being optimistic) and we have a Dem. congress.  Who knows when that door shuts.  

        But no, I don't think this is hyperbole at all.  They have 3 weeks, so that's 20, 000 registrations a day, or something like that, assuming you work on weekends.  That's assuming that they didn't have anything else to do (like set up the polling booths, keep Diebold from stealing the election, and whatever else they do.)  I'm guessing the department isn't blessed with tons of extra workers and it probably has some crappy database with which to do the work.  

        Look, I don't know exactly how this gets done, and what they need to do, but this is precisely the kind of crap that we need to be ever vigilant about, both legally and in terms of labor to fix the problems before the GOP can ratf$ck us as is their modus operandi.

        •  The best way to do voter registration (3+ / 0-)
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          is at birth. Or when a person is granted citizenship.

          Think about it. It makes much more sense. You know the person is a citizen. You get them an SSN, and put them on the voter registration rolls at the same time, with the same name.

          Now, they wouldn't be on a STATE voter registration roll, that wouldn't make sense unless they were gaining citizenship as an adult. But you would put them into a database of future voters.

          When somebody registers for the first time, you look them up in THAT database. It should match the SSN rolls. Then all you have to do is check address. If they're coming from another state, you verify that they're registered with the other state, which should be a simple online lookup, fill in a form to be sent to the other state (so they're taken off those rolls), and put them in yours.

          It shouldn't take more than a minute or two per registration. Maybe less. It would allow you to verify citizenship, which most of the current processes DO NOT do. Remember, legal residents have SSN, but they're NOT citizens and NOT eligible to vote. THAT's why you don't use SSN for voter identification.

          And it would keep the registration rolls more accurate.

      •  that's an amazing statement (2+ / 0-)
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        You're willing to keep

        Some small fraction of a percentage of 600,000

        people from voting? Why? The fraction of people who commit voter fraud is virtually non-existent. Have even one of those 600,000 people been accused of fraud? Who is accusing them? What's the accusation? The burden of proof is on those claiming voters aren't legal, not on voters to prove they're legal (which is why you sign when you vote, attesting to your legality).

        The great logical fallacy this statement makes is that the problem you purport to solve, a tiny number of fraudulent votes, requires a 'solution' that disenfranchises far more people. Yet, your defense of that disenfranchisement is that it's only a small number of people!

        So which is it? Are there so many people out there voting illegally that we need programs like this, or are the numbers of people affected so small that it doesn't matter? Proponents of things like ID laws have to pick one or the other claim; they are fundamentally in conflict.

        •  Well, this issue is (1+ / 0-)
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          that the Republicans have blown these handful of instances of voters voting illegally into a gigantic boogieman, and are trying to persuade people to believe that it's better to disenfranchise 10,000 people than to have 3 people vote illegally. Obviously, that is absurd but it dovetails with Republican goals of keeping down the voter total.

          We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

          by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:55:45 AM PDT

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    •  Over embelishment I think. (2+ / 0-)
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      Basically, if you have a SS card or an updated license, you are fine.  A small fraction of folks may not be able to vote, but ads from the Govt or from Obama asking folks to check their information simply nullifies the issue. The GOP, per the usual, is blowing smoke.

      We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.

      by TheStormofWar on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:28:06 PM PDT

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    •  If Social Security records are accurate, then why (21+ / 0-)

      did Social Security warn states to stop using them:

      Social Security Asks Six States to Review Voter Registration Verification Procedures to Ensure Compliance with Federal Law

      Did you see the New York Times article several days ago? I wrote a diary about it here.

      Basically, the article says that Social Security is only to be used as a last resort because it is not accurate.

      Under federal law, election officials are supposed to use the Social Security database to check a registration application only as a last resort, if no record of the applicant is found on state databases, like those for driver’s licenses or identification cards.

      The requirement exists because using the federal database is less reliable than the state lists, and is more likely to incorrectly flag applications as invalid. Many state officials seem to be using the Social Security lists first.

      States’ Actions to Block Voters Appear Illegal

      The Economy: The Republicans have privatized the profits, but socialized the losses.

      by hungrycoyote on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:35:03 PM PDT

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    •  Um, I beg to differ. (12+ / 0-)

      Esp w/ re SS records:

      Here's anecdotal evidence: about 30 years ago, as a foster child, I was forced to take my foster parents' name. I got my first job at that time, and my social security number was issued in that name.

      For the past 27 years or so, I have been using my own, real name--for university records (BA, MA, PhD), taxes, everything--but under the same SS #.

      About 3 years ago, I got a notice of benefits from the SSA. My SS number recorded under that assumed name (which was NEVER my legal name). At first I thought someone was using my SS # under that name. I had NO CLUE that my SS # was registered under that name.

      In order to get the thing changed, I had to go to the city and state of my birth, get a birth certificate (my passport was of no use, nor was my drivers' license), etc., etc.,--damn good thing I figured that out and do now have the SS # in my OWN name (which matches that on my license and my passport) because I'm still driving on an out-of-state license, and fear they could try to prevent me from voting because my license doesn't match my address....

      I cannot believe that there are not millions of other stories just like this.

      •  Another common problem with SS as ID (8+ / 0-)

        People from other cultures have different name conventions. For instance, Latinos use [Given name, Father's Family name, Mother's Family name] for men and until a woman gets married. After marriage, women commonly go by [Given name, Father's Family name, Husband's Family name]. Eg., Maria Salazar de Montoya: Salazar being her father's family name and Montoya being her husband's family name. Her mother's family name may have been mistakenly used as the "Last Name" and she may no longer use that name at all.

        So, several mistakes can be made innocently and ignorantly. If the person transcribing doesn't know the convention, they may choose the wrong name as what anglos would call, "Last Name". Women from Latin cultures in the U.S. have twice as many chances for an error. In addition, women might choose to fill out a registration form using her father's family name or her husband's family name as the last name. This has a high likelihood of not matching their SS card and not matching a driver's license if they have one. So, if you want to target Latinos (especially women) and reduce their representation in the polls, using verification based on SS number is an effective means of voter suppression. Reducing the reaction time for the voter to correct the record is particularly problematic.

        Chinese names are family name first, then given name. This is another example of potential problems with verification, unless the search engine can take names in either order for matching with the database used as the standard.

        Markos blogged on this topic a few weeks ago.

      •  My daughter (3+ / 0-)

        has a very long hyphenated last name, so we used the first part on her SS application. At the time, we were not able to fit her full name. For the record, the part that was on her SS card is a very unusual name.

        When she went to get a state id (so she could get a passport), they refused to give it to her because the name on her SS card did not match the name on her birth certificate.

        So, we had to go back to SS and get her a new SS card, which we almost didn't get because the name on her birth certificate didn't match the name on her SS card. WTF?

        Luckily her school student id from her public University, where they were able to match the two names up, had her full name on it, so my anticipated trip to my congress person was cancelled.

        After that, she had to go back to the DMV to get her an ID which the person at the post office refused to give her because she had a state id from the DMV instead of a drivers license. A phone call to the passport office in DC let me know that the postal worker was completely wrong. I made her go back and demand to see a supervisor who approved her application.

        This took several months.

        "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

        by resa on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:19:18 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Hyperbole, my ASS. (22+ / 0-)

      this is how the GOP will STEAL THE ELECTION this year. It may be all they have left. They can just get the fucker thrown out altogether, on the grounds that too many voters were 'disenfranchised'.

      Take back your media--take back your country

      by o the umanity on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:10:33 PM PDT

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      •  Exactly! NOT hyperbole. McCain just won Ohio. (8+ / 0-)

        Anyone who thinks this is nothing has no idea what they're talking about.

        More than likely, Ohio just went to McCain with this, seriously. McCain just won Ohio if an attempt is made to follow this ruling.

        Go take a look at the composition of the U.S. 6th Circuit Appeals Court. It's about 16 to 9 in favor of Republicans appointees, including a slew of Dubya appointees. Five of those 9 who are Dem appointees are rather conservative Clinton appointees.

        The Hon. Damon Keith is outnumbered and wouldn't be called on for this anyway. This isn't your parent's 6th Circuit Appeals Court.

        The best hope we have of beating this thing is for Brunner to attempt to hide from any kind of federal agents and literally ignore this, even at the risk of a jailing for contempt or worse. The feds are not prepared to attempt to actually run Ohio's election, I doubt, nor would they be prepared to close polls. The personal risk is huge for Brunner, but the law has been twisted. The fascists own the federal judiciary now. Brunner will likely need to call the federal judiciary on its bluff to beat this, and that does mean great personal risk to herself.

        •  May I laugh at you November 5? (8+ / 0-)
          First of all, I think all posts/diaries announcing that either McCain or Obama 'just won" or "just lost" the election because of something the poster had assigned undue importance to are automatically ridiculous.

          This entire post is so crazy and over the top I don't even know where to begin.

          First of all, this will create work for the SoS office and the boards but ultimately it won't keep many people from voting. That's not even the GOP goal. With early voting in full swing and record numbers turning out, they know they can't do that.

          Jennifer is a professional and won't hide from anyone. In fact, her re-election is so essential to us
          (Help her out here:

          that this kind of crazy talk would jeopardize the state for decades to come- and for what?

          Obama is going to win here because of the economy and because of his campaign organization here, including now 81 offices, an unprecendently huge paid staff and a staggeringly large number of volunteers who will be canvassing around the clock until election day. The ground game is jaw-dropping. McCain has nothing comaprable here. And as I said, many people have already voted. McCain didn't "just" win anything. I stand by my prediction: McCain goes down by at least 6-8 points in Ohio. It won't even be disputable.

          We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

          by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 03:01:43 AM PDT

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          •  Well I take comfort (2+ / 0-)
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            Ohiodem1, ThompsonLazyBoy

            from your post, and I know Barack will not be sleeping on this and other irregularities. Thanks

          •  Still, these legal challenges (2+ / 0-)
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            Patricia Taylor, Losty

            are the last gasp of a sick, maybe dying party which is desperate to hang on to power.

            They are litigating the infamous HR3 from 2005, the extraordinarily complex bill authored by J. Kenneth Blackwell, passed by the Republican House and Senate, and signed into law by Republican governor Bob Taft.

            They know where all the loopholes are because they wrote the law, and they will do all in their power to do what Republicans always do, and that is to limit turnout, particularly turnout in Democratic neighborhoods and campuses.

            I agree that not many people will be adversely affected by this measure, but it appears to be a holding action by the R's, tying the SecState down while they probe the law for yet another challenge.  This will continue until 3:00 AM on November 4.  That's what Republicans do.  We need to be tougher than they are and deliver a historic victory in November.

            GOTV!  Go Obama!

            It is time to renounce fear and go out and kick some Republican Ass

            by Ohiodem1 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:44:02 AM PDT

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            •  "sick maybe dying party" (1+ / 0-)
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              exactly characterizes the Ohio GOP. You are so right. And although they wrote the law, they continually demonstrate that they understand it less well than Jennifer and the Democratic lawyers do. remember Jennifer was an ELECTIONS attorney for 13 years before becoming secretary of state. She was also a JUDGE. She's no partisan political hack a la Ken Blackwell. The Republicans got nuttin' so they're making noise.

              We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

              by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:53:07 AM PDT

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            •  I Agree Completely With You (2+ / 0-)
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              Ohiodem1, Losty

              except that I don't think it will end on November 4.

              They are probing to see how far they can to with either a contest of the election or, failing that, how to mitigate their lose by minimizing the Democratic mandate.

              This is all about invalidation.  

              I've been watching Fox News.  It will be their fallback position, putting the GOP base back into the marginalized, victim mode that whipped up the base before the Moral Majority phase of their party came into ascendancy.

              It's a very cynical tactic.

          •  You can't laugh, but you can cry WITH me (1+ / 0-)
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            Mark my words. You think the SOS office has time to go through and prove 600,000 registered voters are legitimate in the next three weeks? Hell, no.

            You think you know Ohio? Then you ought to know this federal appeals court. This ruling will stand. And the U.S. Supreme Court will not interfere. Mark my words.

          •  Laugh at me now, then (0+ / 0-)

            I can't believe the SCOTUS overturned it. Wow. Will wonders never cease. Go ahead, laugh away. But, come on, after 2000, who expects SCOTUS to rule fairly in elections? Go ahead, laugh away.

        •  So file a notice of appeal to the Supreme Court (2+ / 0-)
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          The lower Court's order would be stayed pending the appeal and everything goes off as scheduled.  It wouldn't matter then whether certiorari is granted or denied.

    •  SS records are not accurate... (1+ / 0-)
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      stop listening to lou dobbs

      Obama '08: One House, One Spouse. John McCain: Prisoner Of W.

      McCain is not a maverick, he is a gambler!

      by justmy2 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:27:46 PM PDT

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    •  Not the point (6+ / 0-)

      The point is that unless one can point to evidence of fraud, the voter's signature on the line under penalty of perjury that they are an eligible citizen from their current address is sufficient.  The burden of proof rests on the side that says there was fraud.  

      The People's View. Yes, it's my blog and I'm pimping it.

      by deaniac83 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:34:00 PM PDT

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    •  Hyperbole? (12+ / 0-)

      My school records, my Social Security records, my military records, my DMV records, my employment history, my telephone number, even my kids sometimes my misspell my name.  My first name is Terence.

      Oh yeah, it is misspelled on my birth certificate too. :-(

      Constantly on records it is spelled Terrence or Terrance or some more exotic variation even despite repeated attempts to correct it.

      Years ago in San Francisco, we were given special dispensation to visit a piling underneath the Golden Gate Bridge where there is a plaque listing the names of men killed in building the bridge by a collapse.  It is now closed off for security reasons.  The uncle I was named for was listed there over 70 years ago but his name was also misspelled.

      The good people working at the Golden Gate Bridge actually changed the name by redoing the plaque when we told them.

      I have been unable to do the same with the Social Security Administration or other records.

      You sure this is hyperbole?

      I will not be affected by the efforts of the GOP to disenfranchise voters.  I have never had to even show any I.D. when I voted here over the years in a small rural community in New York.  New York is not a swing state.

      Hey this isn't supposed to be Zimbabwe.  

      Best,  Terry

      •  Many years ago (0+ / 0-)

        a person I knew changed their name from "Bartholomews" to "Summers" because he was fed up with being asked to spell it.

        Mind you, I never did find out how he spelt "Somers".

        Best Wishes, Demena Economic Left/Right: -8.38
 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36

        by Demena on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:20:02 AM PDT

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        •  LOL! (0+ / 0-)

          I ruined my wife's good name.  Her last name was Miller

          At first after we were married, she would sometimes get red in the face repeating the name on introductions.

          She got over it.

          My father was from Ireland.  He always got letters from the Irish addressed to "Paddy Hanlin."

          It appears none of us would have been able to vote in Ohio.  I would have had to change my name to Billy Bob or something.

          Best,  Terry

    •  It IS a burdensome task (5+ / 0-)
      and here is what will happen: the GOP dominated legislature will refuse to provide funds to hire the necessary workers, making the whole process more onerous than it needs to be, in order to make Jennifer Brunner look bad.

      I'm serious, folks. They want her head bad, so they can install another Ken Blackwell-like partisan to oversee elections and so they can control the apportionment board here and continue to slice up the state so that, even though more people voted for a Democrat in 2006 for congress and state legislature, both our congressional delegation and the two houses of our general assembly are overwhelmingly controlled by Republicans.

      Help her out if you can:

      You won't like Jon Husted, the guy who apparently plans to run against her (current speaker of our state House of Representatives and another downstate GOP troglodyte).

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

      by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 02:44:30 AM PDT

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      •  anastasia... (0+ / 0-)

        As always, yours is the one of the most reasoned and informed Ohio voices. Thank you for that.

        So, what do you think is Brunner's next move in this matter? And, aside from donating to her re-election campaign (gonna have to wait for payday to do that), what can we do to support her?

        •  Zoskie, thanks! (2+ / 0-)
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          I appreciate anyone who makes a donation, however small, to Jennifer's 2010 campaign when the Republicans will pull out all stops to replace her with a Blackwellian partisan hack. (I don't work for her! I just volunteered in her campaign in 2006, and will do so again for 2010).

          Jennifer always tries to follow the law, stretching it in cases where she feels it is erecting hurdles to voters, because allowing voters to vote in a fair, transparent process is her top goal. Obviously, blocking that is the GOP's top goal. I am sure that her office and the Ohio Democratic Party have attorneys working on this now; they have been so on top of everything.

          I think the best thing we can do is keep spreading the word about what is really going on here- not getting hysterical and waving our arms and making assumptions. It's unlikely large numbers of voters will be disenfranchised, and spreading THAT is exactly what the Republicans want: they want us to mistrust the system. We need to make it clear to as many people as we can that we are on to them, and to shame and ridicule them by pointing out the number of actual, verifiable, prosecutable VOTER fraud cases (e.g. voters voting illegally) that have been uncovered- single digits.

          We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

          by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:50:14 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Yes--so we need to remember: (0+ / 0-)

            --Jennifer is a smart woman, which means she would have been prepared for the possibility of this decision going against her and is ready with her next step.

            --The vast majority of these registrations (if not all of them) are valid, and so, while verifying them will be a logistical nightmare, it will not disenfranchise anyone--Jennifer will make sure of that. She's got our back and in return we'll have her back in 2010.

            The hysteria over this reminds me of all the times people have gotten upset, sure that Obama will be caught unprepared by something Mccain has done--and every time, the Obama campaign has shown that they anticipated whatever happened and were prepared to deal with it. I suspect the same is true with Brunner--she's got a strategy in place and is ready to deal with this.

    •  I deeply disagree (1+ / 0-)
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      It's an open assault on the right to vote.

      DMV records and SS records are generally available online and SS records are quite accurate.

      So what? That's completely irrelevant. The quality or availability of other government databases has nothing to do with the voting process. If that's where the debate is, then the GOP has already won.

      There is absolutely no reason to check other government databases except to disenfranchise somebody. Disenfranchisement is the only purpose in doing so.

  •  Recommended (9+ / 0-)

    If they voted in the primary though they should be good right?

    This story needs attention, for sure, but I am hopeful that because they voted in the primary wouldn't they already be on the voter rolls?

  •  Not breaking (4+ / 0-)
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    peraspera, hhex65, begone, Priest Valon

    "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)

    by MTmofo on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:21:59 PM PDT

    •  Dear God (2+ / 0-)
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      resa, Demena

      Who gives a flying fuck?

      Rec listed.

      Making it exciting for the middle of the fucking night.

      Holy Hell, please go do your admin duties on a fucking bushie.

      For fuck's sake.

      2004 was a mandate for torture rape and murder. 2008 is a mandate for hope and change.

      by eroded47095 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 12:49:53 AM PDT

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  •  We must stop the "Hair on fire" diaries (18+ / 1-)

    This is what has doomed Mccain/Palin.  One must be calm and figure this out.  I am so fedup with progressives not having a spine.  Hold you shit....get all the facts and present please, a calm analysis of the situation.  NO MORE Running around with your hair on fire.  Yes, You have a valid diary, but when you present like loose people.

  •  On Rachael Maddow tonight... (12+ / 0-)

    Jonathan Alter of Newsweek said that people shouldn't worry about it too much because, unlike in 2004, the people in charge of the Ohio voting system are Democrats.  It brought me little comfort.

    It is better to be harmed by an evil power than to become one.

    by Enrika on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:22:49 PM PDT

  •  If I were Obama (17+ / 0-)

    I'd run ads in Ohio bringing this to people's attention.  I'm sure that voters there would want to know that their right to vote may have been placed in jeopardy, what they need to do to make sure they'll be allowed to vote, and who to blame for trying to take their vote away from them.

  •  Usually if you change your address (6+ / 0-)

    ...and fill out a change of address form at the USPS, SS Admin will get the change from the USPS. I've seen my SS statements follow me around even if I didnt change my address with them.

    No Way, No How, No McCain

    by nerdngeek on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:24:32 PM PDT

  •  The other thing I would add is that the SOS (3+ / 0-)
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    can do the checks themselves and they will be given the benefit of the doubt because the legal standard will be reasonableness. There are no mandated standards required in terms of what constitutes a verified voter.  The SOS determines what those standards are.

    The SOS is not going to disenfranchise everybody and nitpicking isn't going to work.  The GOP won't be able to win the challenges because judgment will be left in the hands of the SOS.  There are also too many voters for the GOP to challenge without tipping the legal balance in favor of the SOS's position to make voting easier.  The simplest thing to do is to make the service available, and the GOP will struggle to disenfranchise many people.  

    The race in Ohio will also not be close enough for the GOP tactics to work.  Obama is going to win the state handily.

    Alternative rock with something to say:

    by khyber900 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:24:58 PM PDT

    •  I would back off that last statement.... (4+ / 0-)

      ...Ohio is going to be tough as hell... I am seeing McCain signs in democratic strongholds that shoudln't be there... my neighbors have never been very political, but now are putting up retaliatory McCain signs next to me (note that this is also a democratic stronghold)...

      Ohio is going to be tough as nails, believe me!

      It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)

      by LordMike on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:35:50 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not sure if we should be concerned about (2+ / 0-)
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        LordMike, Losty

        I am seeing McCain signs in democratic strongholds that shoudln't be there... my neighbors have never been very political, but now are putting up retaliatory McCain signs next to me (note that this is also a democratic stronghold)...

        We see the crowds on television, we see how passionate the Republicans are becoming. They still only get one vote a piece and are going up against the best political campaign in history. They may be energized, or at least a subset of them, but their ground game is next to non-existent. They aren't directing their energy into winning the election.

        •  I'm sick of hearing about yard signs (4+ / 0-)
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          The Obama campaign has not focused time, money and effort on yard signs and I'm tired of hearing from people that this is a sign the campaign is going down in flames. They have opened now 81 offices and have over 500 paid staff in the state. They have had a corps of volunteers canvassing for months; the GOTV will be unprecedented. Meanwhile, the McCain campaign has no similar effort. They are relying on nonstop attack ads on tv and, apparently, yard signs. But yard signs don't change votes, they don't get out the votes. They do demoralize people like you, apparently. There have always been plenty of Republicans in Democratic strongholds and the McCain campaign's only method of attack this year is to get them to put up yard signs. Whoopee.

          Every race is "tough" in a sense, but Ohio this year isn't in my opinion going to be a "tough" nailbiter. We will win because the campaign is really on the ball here and the economy stinks.

          We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

          by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 03:11:28 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Ohio is the only state where McCain (1+ / 0-)
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        has tried to keep up with Obama in advertising and operation.  He's still way behind.  

        Alternative rock with something to say:

        by khyber900 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:34:40 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Regardless of whether it's breaking or not (7+ / 0-)

    I think this needs to be posted again in the morning hours. It's late even here on the west coast and it's bound to get more interest when those that live in different time zones are up and prowling around.

  •  This will really backfire on the Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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    expatjourno, orangeuglad

    Perhaps they have not noticed that Rove's playbook is turning people off this year.
    The more they slime and the more they cheat
    The greater the margin of their defeat.


    "So much time and so little to do. Wait a minute. Strike that. Reverse it."- Willie Wonka

    by crystal eyes on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:27:17 PM PDT

  •  Here's an idea (18+ / 0-)

    When we get in  power, Congress passes a bill that says, "All laws passed during W's administration with Orwellian names are hereby rescinded."

    Yeah, I know. But it's a great fantasy.

    In any case, the don't "Help America Vote Act" has got to go.

  •  This stinks of 2000. (7+ / 0-)

    Bush v. Gore was essentially the court ruling against counting the votes that were outstanding.  The majority said that the system in place was not reliable enough to go forward.  

    Here it's one step further...they're demanding the Secretary of State set up a system that won't work.

    All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting. - George Orwell

    by Five of Diamonds on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:29:31 PM PDT

  •  Is early voting allowed in Ohio? (8+ / 0-)

    If so, there should be a concerted effort to contact every newly registered voter and tell them that the Republicans are attempting to disenfranchise them. Get them to vote early and see if they are challenged, then get the publicity for any refusals.

    I have a feeling that dirty tricks like these are exactly why there have been reports of high numbers of absentee and early voters.

    John McCain Sarah Palin! = Panic! Jail harsh con man.

    by Lib Dem FoP on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:32:05 PM PDT

    •  yes. we have early voting in OH (5+ / 0-)

      great idea there.

      •  How will they vote without a voter reg card? (1+ / 0-)
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        USexpat Ukraine

        If those registerations get thrown out, they will never get to vote.

        •  I've never had to use a voter id card (1+ / 0-)
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          a driver's license was adequate. Prior to checking the social security/drivers license list wouldn't the registrations be in the database and people able to vote or does this block all recent registrations for the time being?

          I wonder why the republicans are doing this given that this state is unlikely to be decisive... A lot of political capital to spend and a lot of risk for them if this backfires..

          •  The requirement to vote is not a Drivers License (3+ / 0-)
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            sacrelicious, scotths, Shuruq

            It has become such a hassle with proving a chain of custody for my name to the DMV that I have not changed my DL, over, however I have lived here for the last 9 months and paid 4000 into the state coffers, so they better let me vote.

            •  I could be mistaken but. (0+ / 0-)

              you could use a drivers license instead of a voter registration? I have here in WA and haven't had a problem..

              I think we do a better job with our elections, though...

              •  I don't need an ID to vote (1+ / 0-)
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                I just sign my name in the book that already has my signature.

                BTW, God Bless New York City for absorbing the fucking Saudi Terrorist Attack that brought the rest of this fucking country to their fucking knees.

                ON their knees begging for more torture and more murder in 2004.

                Shame on this country.

                2004 was a mandate for torture rape and murder. 2008 is a mandate for hope and change.

                by eroded47095 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 01:00:20 AM PDT

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              •  In Ohio you CANNOT use voter ID (2+ / 0-)
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                LordMike, Losty
                if by that you mean the card mailed by the Board of elections in your county. That and a passport are the main two you cannot use. You MUSt bring a driver's license, a state ID, a utility bill of some kind with your current address (phone, cell, gas, election, cable) or a government document or check ranging from a social security check to a fishing license. It is also now legal to use a military ID WITHOUT an address.

                To vote early or by mail you just need the number on your drivers' license or the last four digits of your social security number. It's all pretty clear. It's laid out in my pollworker's manual. Jennifer has done a lot to clarify ther system.

                We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

                by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 03:15:35 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

  •  old news but repetition is good... (0+ / 0-)

    this will not affect this election. THere is enough time for a President Obama to implement comprehensive voter reforms.

    May the Schwartz be with you!

    by FLS on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:35:38 PM PDT

  •  Now that's voter suppression! (7+ / 0-)

    No wonder they're ramping up their wingnut feigned outrage efforts over the Acorn voter registration non-story.  It's a smoke screen false equivalencey ploy to cover up their vote suppression efforts.

  •  This smells utterly, utterly fishy. But... (5+ / 0-)

    ... when 600,000 votes are at stake one would think that our side in Ohio would be on the case, no?

    You'd better be Ohioan Democratically elected Democrats.


    We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in - some of us just go one god further
    -- Richard Dawkin

    by deafmetal on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:41:11 PM PDT

  •  This is being appealed to the 6th circuit (1+ / 0-)
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    While this is certainly not good news (this lower court ruling) but no need to panic yet.

  •  Something troubling me in Los Angeles. (5+ / 0-)

    I went to the citizenship ceremony downtown LA August 28, 2008 where 6,000, I repeat 6,000 people got their citizenship (it was amazing).  Well, my friend got his citizenship and they registered everyone to vote (and they all got to apply for passports).

    Well, my friend didn't get anything back.  So I'm like, I didn't know what to think.  Maybe he filled something out wrong.  Or maybe they lost it.  What about the other 6,000 people???

    Anyway, after 2000 and 2004 I'm a little paranoid about voting and the lengths the Republicans will go to steal an election

    •  Well, I'm like, why the hell didn't your friend (2+ / 0-)
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      snakelass, Lava20

      pick up the phone and call them????   Here in VA we give receipts after registering someone and advise them to call if they don't get their voter card in 2-3 weeks.

      We Changed The Course! Now we must hold their feet to the fire.

      by hcc in VA on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:51:48 PM PDT

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      •  That's a very good question. (5+ / 0-)

        Well, L.A. is different, it's hard to get help a lot of the time.  My friend has been through the citizenship application process since he was 15 here, back when it was INS (now it is Homeland Security). He's in his 40's now and just got it!!  He told me there's you can't call to get help, you are just at their mercy.  Often immigrants don't know what to do.  It's a long story.

        Anyway, I reregistered him and he got everything immediately, just like normal.  I'm just so PISSED I wonder if the other 6,000 people (many don't speak English and don't know what to do many times) didn't get theirs.  You wouldn't believe what they have to go through.

        I have to go for now but I'll check back in the morning to see if anyone else knows anything about this.

        Have a good evening everyone.

  •  This is the mantra of the Republican traitors, (7+ / 0-)

    as I said in this diary which engendered such interest here that exactly two people besides myself commented.

    We Changed The Course! Now we must hold their feet to the fire.

    by hcc in VA on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:48:33 PM PDT

  •  GOP = Party of Dirty Tricks...n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    USexpat Ukraine, Lava20, MsGrin

    "We are a Plutocracy, we ought to face it. We need, desperately, to find new ways to hear independent voices & points of view" Ramsey Clark, US AG

    by Mr SeeMore on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:53:02 PM PDT

  •  ENOUGH! (10+ / 0-)

    Since 2000, every election has had problems. It should be a high priority of the next Congress to pass a national election law that sets the rules for all the states. Such bullshit sickens me, and it detracts from the credibility of the process. Of course, the issue of campaign financing is larger, but both need to be looked at and acted upon.

  •  My husband's vote may be in danger... (9+ / 0-)

    If they are able to disenfranchise many of these people.  We moved to Ohio last October, and then moved again earlier this year to our current (and more permanent) home.  In the short time that we've been here, his driver's license has been screwed up twice.  Before the early voting began (literally days before) he got a letter that his updated registration with our new address could not be processed and to call our county's election office.  Something with his driver's license number being screwed up on the form.  We went to the early vote/registration week specifically so he could get his registration straightened out in person and go ahead and vote at the same time.

    Hopefully it is straightened out and he won't have to worry about this...although I'm still a bit concerned.  We moved from out of state, then moved within the state less than a year later.  He voted for Obama in the primary in the city of Cleveland, now voted at our new home in Summit County (where Akron is).  Then with all of the driver's license problems...I'm just afraid we'll (and him specifically) have red flags all over us.  If they try to challenge his vote, will they inform him, or will he have no idea this took place?  

    Forget "Joe Sixpack," just call me "Jane Winebox!"

    by CB in the OH on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:56:25 PM PDT

    •  votes are secret... (1+ / 0-)
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      He voted for Obama in the primary in the city of Cleveland, now voted at our new home in Summit County (where Akron is).  Then with all of the driver's license problems...I'm just afraid we'll (and him specifically) have red flags all over us.  If they try to challenge his vote, will they inform him, or will he have no idea this took place?  

      Assuming he voted with a non-provisional ballot there shouldn't be any way for them to determine what vote it is his. Thus, assuming he has cast such a non-provisional ballot already there should be no problem.

      •  Exactly, Scott (2+ / 0-)
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        If he voted early and non-provisionally, they CANNOT take back his vote. The system doesn't provide a way to do that. If he voted provisionally but has provided acceptable ID in the end (perhaps he wrote his drivers' license number wrong or used the number over the picture instead of the correct one buried at the side? Many people do that) his vote has also already been processed and nothing can be done to take it back.

        We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

        by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 03:19:12 AM PDT

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  •  GOP has begun its "excuse" for losing (15+ / 0-)

    The problem for them is they will try to paint themselves at the victim, but no sane person will believe an election was stolen when the margin of victory is a landslide of 10+ million votes.

    Which is not to say that Faux News will not run with this 24/7 until, oh, Nov 2012.

    Remember, I said sane person(s)...

    •  This tactic of questioning all the rules (8+ / 0-)

      has always worked for them becaues the media continues to carry their water.

      Let's reframe the issue:

      "600,000 voters have a primary right of citizenship questioned by whiny republicans"

      Yeah, that's what the pugs are doing... again. We have to take control of the framing of this issue and do it now.

      Foreclosures are a HUGE reason people are forced to move, and those people are ex-urban and suburban families who will now be targetted.  

      Make sure everyone's vote counts: Verified Voting

      by sacrelicious on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:36:43 PM PDT

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      •  And the vast majority want to vote for Obama. (0+ / 0-)

        In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
        -- George Orwell

        by USexpat Ukraine on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 12:26:16 AM PDT

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      •  actual voting is what matters... (3+ / 0-)
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        "600,000 voters have a primary right of citizenship questioned by whiny republicans"

        Yeah, that's what the pugs are doing... again. We have to take control of the framing of this issue and do it now.

        The lack of discussion of these people actually voting is significant also...

        For instance, if acorn really was submitting phony applications simply to make more money, there wouldn't be a problem most likely as the phony people would never vote. I think that needs to be part of the framing as well. Phony voters on the registration list with no corresponding phony id in existence and no one who intends to use them to cast a ballot won't affect the election.

        Also, the possibility should be noted that Republicans could even submit phony applications to ACORN then tip off some official to "find" them.. I'm not saying that this is happen, but it seems like it would be pretty trivial to do....

        Foreclosures are a HUGE reason people are forced to move, and those people are ex-urban and suburban families who will now be targetted.  

        I agree, this is especially disturbing. The Republicans find out people are at risk of losing their homes to foreclosure and they take quick action to .... ensure they can't vote! Priorities.....

        •  Even our 2 Republican BOE members (3+ / 0-)
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          were forced to admit, in the midst of our paper's overblown coverage of the ACORN thing, that false or erroneous registrations pretty much can't translate into phony votes. I kind of expect this from Jeff Hastings, who is pretty fair-minded, but when even county GOP chair Rob Frost said it, well, there's nothing there. The problem for the GOP to keep up this "election could have been stolen by voters" narrative after the election is that they will have to point to these phony voters. People will say, well, if it's that widespread that it could have thrown the election, who do we prosecute? And the GOP won't be able to point to anyone. Even Rob Frost knows that.

          We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

          by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 03:22:43 AM PDT

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  •  I live in Michigan (4+ / 0-)
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    I voted in the primary, so hopefully, I'm still OK to vote, but if they were to check my Social Security info my middle name would be different.  

    I wonder how many women have had this issue when they married?  I used my maiden name as my middle name on my Social Security card, but it's not used on my DMV registration.  

    My mother lives in Illinois and had to cast a provisional ballot in the last major election because she has similar problems with a disconnect between her DMV reg and Soc. Sec. Card.  

    I'm an American I can handle the truth!

    by stas61690 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:58:12 PM PDT

  •  wow, forgive my rant (18+ / 0-)

    There has GOT to be a better way to accurately register people to vote.

    This seems so ridiculous.

    I keep remember when I first moved to California.  It was January of 2004 and I immediately got my drivers license and with such an important year, I eagerly filled out the voters registration along with it.

    However it was rejected.  Strange.

    So I tried again via my post office.  Rejected.

    I tried one more time and once again I was rejected.

    I drove over 40 miles to the main registrar's branch and they told me that my signature apparently didn't match . . . they couldn't do anything.

    They gave me a number and the woman on the phone kept telling me that my signature didn't match. Match to what? The one I signed in the tiny box for my driver's license that screws up everyone's signature??

    I told her that if I wasn't allowed to vote my next phonecall would be to the local news.  I was on hold for 5 minutes and when she came back I was registered.

    This was in California, L.A. County.  And I was extremely passionate about my right to vote.  I can imagine how many people would have shrugged it off after the first rejection.

    What the hell?  I have a social security card, a passport, my birth certificate and no criminal record.  

    Why was it so difficult for me to register and prove I am who I am?

    If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.

    by Silent Banshee on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:58:24 PM PDT

    •  You walk up you sign your name in the book (0+ / 0-)

      And that's it, then you go into one of those old-fashioned curtain booths and make your choices.

      Conservatism at its finest!

      2004 was a mandate for torture rape and murder. 2008 is a mandate for hope and change.

      by eroded47095 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 01:02:21 AM PDT

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  •  Al Franken in 'Liars' and 'Truth' does a great jo (12+ / 0-)

    of exposing the Repugs tactics and methods in voter suppression.  

    Auntie Em: Hate you. Hate Kansas. Taking the dog. Dorothy

    by haremoor on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:59:11 PM PDT

  •  Chill (2+ / 0-)
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    Its not a bad idea to double check registrations in a hotly contested race.   I sure don't want my vote cancelled out by a dead guy.    It's not like  only one party can dabble in election fraud,  there have been long standing jokes about stiffs voting and multiple voting  in Obama's home base, the infamous chicago Machine.

    •  As I noted in the post.. (13+ / 0-)

      ... there have only been 120 cases of prosecutable voter fraud in the United States since Bush's people made it a top priority to figure out.

      The reason it's problematic to use SS or DMV files to verify voter registration is that those files are not entirely accurate.  Why should we be tossing off thousands of voters when there is almost no evidence of any voter fraud.

      As for Chicago, I imagine you're talking about the 1960 election for president.  But that fraud only happened because Daley had such a choke-hold on Chicago, and there's been no evidence of that degree of fraud for quite some time.  Certainly not at the presidential level.

      •  I just read that the1960 election fraud is a myth (4+ / 0-)

        The allegations say that Kennedy loyalists fixed the vote counts in Illinois and Texas--swinging 51 electoral votes and a majority in the Electoral College to Kennedy. In more hyperbolic versions there is alleged involvement by the mob, the Teamsters Union or legendary Chicago mayor Richard Daley.

        The story goes on that Nixon, "for the good of the country," conceded honorably and exited the scene. No matter that Nixon was later chased out of the White House for cheating in an election. The myth endures.

        This whole story--maybe to be replayed with Obama playing Kennedy and McCain playing Nixon--is a canard. It is a fable. A lie made up by the conservative movement to hold together their fraying coalition.

        from "How McCain Will Steal the Election from Obama (Sort Of)" - link

        "No matter how cynical I get, it's just never enough to keep up." - Lily Tomlin

        by orangeuglad on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:25:32 PM PDT

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    •  Frumious much? (4+ / 0-)

      Your vote can't be canceled by a mistaken registration.

      If someone registers "Mickey Mouse", the only way your vote is in danger is if a friggin' cartoon Mouse actually shows up at the polls to vote.

      So you're safe.

      Good thing, too...I heard Mickey was leaning Republican this year...

    •  Vote early, vote often (0+ / 0-)

      was the mantra when I lived in Chicago!

    •  Don't people know that part (1+ / 0-)
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      of the political process for the last 25 years by the Republicans grassroots organizing has not only been to take power of the School boards, but the whole thing including the Judiciary.  They have done that... we need to keep fighting to build a grassroots to take the right fundamentalists and Corporate powers out of these things and that is the long struggle ahead.

      The Supreme Court and Gore vs. Bush was just the tip of the Iceberg that started back in 1975 and has continued.  

      The battle is and still raging and those who take it with a grain of salt need to be ignored.

      But this is not new... All American institutions have been inundated by the right wing and Corporate elite.  They will not give up... They have immense power and the voting booth is not how they got it.
      That is just one of the side effects of their power grab...

      So we need to be aware that we still need to build grassroots and that the Democratic Establishment is still firmly in the hands of the Corporate elite.

      don't link to MSM; support your alternative grassroots media by linking to them

      by john from vermont on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:35:32 AM PDT

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    •  Are you afraid the dead guy will show up to vote? (0+ / 0-)

      He'd better have a current driver's license.

      How many times does it have to be said?  Registration fraud DOES NOT equal voter fraud.

      Hope doesn't come from calculating whether the good news is winning out over the bad. It's simply a choice to take action. ~ Anna Lappe

      by Korry on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:27:22 AM PDT

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      •  Not in my state. (0+ / 0-)

        He'd better have a current driver's license.

        In my state, once you are registered, the only thing you need to do is show up and state your name and address. If the pollworker can find the name and address that you stated in the pollbook, and that name is not checked off as having already voted, you can vote.

        I have voted in three other states. In one, you needed a photo ID. In the other two, you needed only a voter registration card.

    •  Oh, and if some kind of verification (0+ / 0-)

      should be done, then it should be done every time.  Not just because it's a "hotly contested race."

      Or are your "ethics" situational?  Like, it only matters to you because you have a pretty good idea whom the newly registered voters will favor?

      Hope doesn't come from calculating whether the good news is winning out over the bad. It's simply a choice to take action. ~ Anna Lappe

      by Korry on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:29:07 AM PDT

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  •  Shocked, I am shocked! (4+ / 0-)

    So, this seems top to bottom to be a pretty scummy thing for the GOP to be doing.

    Who would ever think the Reepers would be scummy? Crooks, yeah. Liars, yeah, But scummy? Shocked!

  •  Think about it... (11+ / 0-)

    It seems the Republicans like to move the game around when it comes to stealing elections. First it was Florida in 2000. Then Michael Moore sent a film team to Florida for the 2004 election and things went rotten in Ohio. Now the Dems control Ohio, so I would look for shenanigans to happen in places like Virginia, perhaps back to Florida and don't forget Missouri and Indiana. We need to focus on states where Repubs own the governership and sec. of states offices.
    I sure hope the Obama team is on this!

  •  Attn: OHIO: The GOP HATES YOU! Fight Back HARD! (3+ / 0-)
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    the tea is in the harbor...

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be draped in the flag and carrying the cross."- Sinclair Lewis

    by IamtheReason on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:07:56 PM PDT

  •  What can we do? (3+ / 0-)
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    Every news org online I've written too, mostly because I've been writing them about ACORN and how voter suppression is not excused or equatable to alleged voter fraud.

    Really though there needs to be hub so we can get traction behind this.  

    Point me in the right direction and you have a willing soldier in the fight.

  •  Well, as someone who only slightly (7+ / 0-)

    understands what's going on with these voters purges, I can only hope that the Democratic party isn't justing sitting on its ass and twidling its thumbs, but actually using some of its resources (Obama campaign included) to hire and use the lawyers necessary to fight republican legal manuevers with our own.

    So that's what a republican looks like in person? Wow. I've seen pictures, but never imagined the smell.

    by Dungeon Dwelling Dragon on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:11:02 PM PDT

    •  Minor problem (0+ / 0-)

      If the GOP can get enough elections tied up in legal knots then they can stall the election.  If the election is stalled it all goes before tainted judges who have a (non-precedent) precedent to go by.  They can make it up as they go along.

      Best Wishes, Demena Economic Left/Right: -8.38
 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36

      by Demena on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:41:14 AM PDT

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  •  "pretty scummy" = GOP (2+ / 0-)
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    patop, USexpat Ukraine

    This can't be allowed to stand.

    "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together" - Lennon

    by dchill on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:13:40 PM PDT

  •  I just get tired of this (7+ / 0-)

    Social Security identifiers are ONLY to be used for SS identification.  Once we open that envelope up a bit, then those identifiers will be used for EVERYTHING.

    Warmest regards,


    In do not know everything, but I can learn anything. -6.25, -6.05

    by Translator on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:15:37 PM PDT

    •  Yeah (0+ / 0-)

      I may have to double-check my registration, although I've been registered for years.  My SS card is in my maiden name.

      The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

      by TracieLynn on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:10:53 AM PDT

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  • many votes was Ohio lost (0+ / 0-)


    Obama '08: One House, One Spouse. John McCain: Prisoner Of W.

    McCain is not a maverick, he is a gambler!

    by justmy2 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:25:17 PM PDT

    •  350,000 voters purged in 2004 (6+ / 0-)


      The vote, according to Wikipedia, was Bush: 2,858,727; Kerry: 2,739,952 (118,775 difference)

      "No matter how cynical I get, it's just never enough to keep up." - Lily Tomlin

      by orangeuglad on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:40:03 PM PDT

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      •  This makes me sick to my stomach. (2+ / 0-)
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      •  That's unlikely to be actual voters purged (1+ / 0-)
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        It also includes people who have moved, students who have left the state and so on. It's hard to tell how many VOTERS were actually purged but my guess is that the number is less than a tenth of that.

        We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

        by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:08:03 AM PDT

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        •  From the Rolling Stone Story by Robert Kennedy (1+ / 0-)
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          It's 10 pages long; I'm still working my way through it, but I remember most of these reports from the 2004 election (not on TV, only online).

          Read the 1st page, at least; it's got many other instances noted.  Or read this paragraph (link):

          what is most anomalous about the irregularities in 2004 was their decidedly partisan bent: Almost without exception they hurt John Kerry and benefited George Bush. After carefully examining the evidence, I've become convinced that the president's party mounted a massive, coordinated campaign to subvert the will of the people in 2004. Across the country, Republican election officials and party stalwarts employed a wide range of illegal and unethical tactics to fix the election. A review of the available data reveals that in Ohio alone, at least 357,000 voters, the overwhelming majority of them Democratic, were prevented from casting ballots or did not have their votes counted in 2004 — more than enough to shift the results of an election decided by 118,601 votes. (See Ohio's Missing Votes)

          In what may be the single most astounding fact from the election, one in every four Ohio citizens who registered to vote in 2004 showed up at the polls only to discover that they were not listed on the rolls, thanks to GOP efforts to stem the unprecedented flood of Democrats eager to cast ballots. And that doesn't even take into account the troubling evidence of outright fraud, which indicates that upwards of 80,000 votes for Kerry were counted instead for Bush. That alone is a swing of more than 160,000 votes — enough to have put John Kerry in the White House.

          I don't mean to depress anybody, but better we know what we may be up against...

          "No matter how cynical I get, it's just never enough to keep up." - Lily Tomlin

          by orangeuglad on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 12:44:26 PM PDT

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          •  I know no one will see this, but list of voting (0+ / 0-)

            problems I just re-discovered (notes to self):


            From 2004 to date.

            (found while searching for "when they count absentee ballots," which so far looks like is not supposed to happen until election day; if that's the case, why do the Republicans already claim more absentee ballot voters are voting Republican?   Hmmm....

            "No matter how cynical I get, it's just never enough to keep up." - Lily Tomlin

            by orangeuglad on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:19:05 PM PDT

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    •  Slightly over 118,000 n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

      by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:07:03 AM PDT

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  •  too bad early voting has already begun in ohio. (1+ / 0-)
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    what is the date they have to figure it out by?  because thousands of college students are voting today.

  •  I love how they do what they accuse others (8+ / 0-)

    of doing.

    It's one of the great Rove tactics, and the media lets them get away with it over and over again.

    Oh right, the media is part of them.  I almost forgot.  

    •  That's a standard tactic out of the Soviet system (0+ / 0-)

      and: Rick Davis worked for the Kremlin gang at least twice in the past four years.  Google Davis-Manafort Ukraine Yanukovych

      (Yanuk is Kremlin's man in Ukraine, appointed by Putin, delayed by the Orange Revolution when Ukraine called bullshit on a rigged vote; D-M was hired to brush Yanuk off and get him back in the game.)

      In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
      -- George Orwell

      by USexpat Ukraine on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 12:41:37 AM PDT

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  •  This is a delaying tactic... (3+ / 0-)
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    The GOP knows it won't be able to throw all of these newly registered voters off of the rolls.  What they do want to do is to tie the Secretary of State's office up for the next week or two with registration verification proceedings so that Secretary of State Brunner cannot attend to her final checks of voting machines and whether or not there are enough in the highly populated areas as well as the rural areas of the state.

    They're going to tie Brunner up and overload her office with voter fraud reports so she cannot efficiently oversea the voting process is Ohio.  It's a good plan by the Republicans and I think it shows just how desperate they really are this year.

    Once Obama take Ohio and after the election, when the news that 5 registrations out of 600,000 were invalid and the GOP made a mountain out of a molehill, I think we'll start to put them in their place with these baseless voter fraud cases.  Until then, we've got work to do.

    America, we are better than these last eight years. We are a better country than this. -- Barack Obama, the next President of our United States.

    by BasharH on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:42:12 PM PDT

    •  They can't send out voter registeration cards (1+ / 0-)
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      Until they check the new registrants.

    •  Not really (4+ / 0-)
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      This will tie up the office, but the election systems are already in place, the machines are most likely allocated and voting has long since started. it's part of a GOP campaign to discredit Jennifer and take over the office in 2010. They're trying to set up mud to sling at her. But you're right; after the election when she says, ok, show me the prosecutable cases of  "voter" fraud and they can't, they'll be left with egg on their face.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

      by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 03:29:39 AM PDT

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    •  It's Also an Invalidation Tactic - (4+ / 0-)
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      This action on the part of Republicans SETS THE STAGE for them to call the November 4 election invalid.

      They will use valid concepts like accountability, transparency, and all the rules THEY PUT ON THE BOOKS in Ohio and other states to a bad end - to invalidate the election outcome on November 4, should Obama win.

      They will say that it was stolen.

  •  This is so fucking sickening. Where's the Obama (5+ / 0-)
    Campaign? Why are they not out there fighting this bullshit? The GOP and the right wing media lead by Fox news are trying to steal this election. That's why day in and day out they keep screaming about Acorn. They want to steal this election because they know they're going down big time. Please we can't re-live another 2000.
  •  Before y'all panic... (12+ / 0-)

    Please Read Brunner's statement:

    She's on this... and has been ready for the GOP's dirty tricks...  I have confidence that she will do her best to make sure that every eligible voter is allowed to vote...

    It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)

    by LordMike on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:57:31 PM PDT

    •  Brunner is standing her ground. (8+ / 0-)

      From her statement:

      It is imperative that voters not be disenfranchised because of federal government red tape, misstated technical information or glitches in databases beyond the control of voters or the Secretary of State. That is why we will work with the federal court, even though we believe that
      the order goes beyond the requirements of HAVA. Our goal is to protect the rights of all eligible voters to vote and to have their votes count. HAVA does not permit the matching of databases to thwart eligibility, and we will work to prevent the misuse of HAVA data for that purpose.

      As Judge Smith originally noted, "The Court does not have the authority to further order if or how the county Boards of Elections conduct theirinvestigations of the mismatches..."

      McCain says overturn Roe v. Wade.

      by peraspera on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 12:53:43 AM PDT

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  •  The with the right software SOS can do this. (3+ / 0-)
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    "Exact Match" was tried and purged half of the election board because of differences in middle name and spelling typos.

    This hits women especially hard because they change their names when they marry a may  us their maiden name as a middle initial.  It also disenfranges people who have recently moved.

    Which reliably leaves men who do not move on the rolls.

    Fuzzy match programs like web search software preforms much better when the data set has spelling errors.

    Another frequent mistake is for people to put the date they register in as a birth date. I know I always check this because I have seen dozens of  registrations with this error.

  •  Is it possible to get 100,000 plus people to (0+ / 0-)

    march to Ohio's Capital in protest.

  •  I don't see the word (3+ / 0-)
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    I don't care.

    If Ohio is critical, if the SoS allows voters to vote, if the media calls Ohio for Obama on election night --

    then let's see the Republicans try to litigate people off the rolls after the vote.

    Molon labe!

    Yes, Santa Claus, there is a Virginia. And it's going Democratic.

    by Anarchofascist on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 12:08:19 AM PDT

    •  And just how would Ohio go for Obama? (0+ / 0-)

      If they kick a disprorortionate number of women and new voters off the rolls.

      •  You're not getting it: (8+ / 0-)

        No one gets kicked off the rolls

        Brunner says "I'm complying with the decision as I read it."

        Republicans cry foul.

        Votes are cast, the election results come in.

        If those voters that Republicans wanted to purge make the difference then they'll have to claim votes were cast in violation of court order.  They'll have to litigate to THROW AWAY VOTES AFTER THE ELECTION.

        The SoS will have certified an Obama victory, and the Republicans are going to go to court to purge votes off the rolls AFTER THEY'VE BEEN CAST?

        They'd lose.  They'd lose in the media first.  Then they'd lose on the streets.  And then they'd lose in the courts.

        Like I said:

        MOLON LABE

        Yes, Santa Claus, there is a Virginia. And it's going Democratic.

        by Anarchofascist on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 12:25:11 AM PDT

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        •  I was ON the rolls, I tried to add my apt number (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          patop, Losty

          Now they are not sending out my absentee ballot.

          •  You're saying: (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            patop, stevej

            You filled out your request for an absentee ballot without your full address and it's the Republicans' fault that it's not getting mailed to you?

            Are you purged from the rolls?  Or has your mail just not come yet?  Did you talk to someone at the SoS office and they refused to amend your record?  Are you afraid to give your SSN to the Ohio SoS?

            Yes, Santa Claus, there is a Virginia. And it's going Democratic.

            by Anarchofascist on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 12:38:02 AM PDT

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        •  Absolutely agreed.. (3+ / 0-)
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          the Court order says "Create a way of verifying these." So, the Ohio Board of Elections creates a way.

          Meanwhile, life goes on. Voter cards are sent out, people go and vote on November 4th.


          1. Obama wins Ohio by a wide enough margin that challenging the results based upon new voter registrations will be irrelevant.
          1. McCain wins Ohio and challenging the results will be irrelevant.
          1. Obama wins Ohio narrowly, but its a blowout nationally so, again, a challenge is irrelevant.
          1. Its a close win in both Ohio and nationally....then, you would probably see a challenge made afterward.

          And by close, both would have to be PRETTY close to merit taking that kind of step. If the GOP challenges and its not that close, they will get crucified as sore losers by everyone.

          And, the fact is, I want to see new voter registration forms confirmed to the maximum extent possible. As much as I want to see every eligible person vote, and as much as this ACORN business is overblown by the Right, I don't actually approve of some of the tactics used by groups that gives people monetary incentives to make up fake registrations.

          I want to see states stop making it difficult to register, and I want to see more of campaigns hustling to get people registered, as we've seen in this campaign with Obama. I DON'T want to see turning the voter registration process into some kind of monetary enterprise, even if it, in the end, is just the appearance of impropriety.

          •  IF I lived in Ohio... (0+ / 0-)

            ...I would register multiple times.

            As we see, the Republicans are always purging and challenging, voters, I figure I need 5 registrations just to make sure I get to vote.

            I would only vote once.  But I would register often.

        •  And, one other thing... (2+ / 0-)
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          snakelass, Anarchofascist

          how is anyone going to know who casted what votes? About the only thing that can be challenged after the fact is the method, not the results themselves. No court is going to throw out an entire state's election results.

        •  Ya, just like we thought about the courts in 2000 (0+ / 0-)

          2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

          by shpilk on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:59:30 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  The amount of hate I have for Rethugs that pull (5+ / 0-)

    this crap is immeasurable.  They will stoop to anything to steal an election. Bastards!!!!

    The White House will be The People's House--B.Obama

    by Phil S 33 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 12:23:43 AM PDT

  •  did you notice the "Video: Decision '08" window? (6+ / 0-)

    On the MSNBC page about this story?

    (I just checked my link, and the video has since been replaced with new video, but the original can be found here.)

    This is the original text in the video window (glad I grabbed it!)

    Can Obama keep his lead?
    Oct. 14: While Barack Obama continues to lead in the polls, there is one problem he may face come Election Day that could cost him the presidency – The Bradley Effect. Author Melissa Harris-Lacewell explains whether widespread secret racism is a possibility in Decision ‘08.

    I believe there are a few Kossacks who've been claiming that this will be the narrative used to explain Obama's "poor showing" that will actually be the result of voter suppression efforts.

    I'm not saying that is what's going on, but it is interesting to see this video description on the same page as a story about the Ohio ruling, isn't it?

  •  Obama's civil rights law practice (6+ / 0-)

    included voting rights. Also, throughout his campaign Obama has shown that he is always three steps ahead of the competition. I have every confidence that the Obama campaign has a plan in place that has anticipated this dreadful decision. If we can help with this issue the campaign will send out marching orders for volunteers. In the meantime I've come to trust Obama means it when he says, "Not. This. Time."

    McCain says overturn Roe v. Wade.

    by peraspera on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 12:50:05 AM PDT

  •  Worse comes to worse we give em Ohio (0+ / 0-)

    Heck from where we sit now, they can have a couple of our states - but we expect house and senate seats in return.  :)

    •  I didn't go pounding the pavements (3+ / 0-)

      getting barked at by angry dogs at redneck houses to give them the state.  We bloody well fight for the voters we mobilized.

      Got a problem with my posts? Quit reading them. They're usually opinions, and I don't come here to get in arguments.

      by drbloodaxe on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:34:56 AM PDT

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    •  No, we do not (7+ / 0-)

      We "give" them Ohio after staffing 81 offices with over 500 paid staffers and staffing up the Ohio Democratic party to 10 times where it was in 2004 and mounting the most massive voter registration drive, canvassing effort and, soon, GOTV in Ohio history? No, I and all my dozens of friends, colleagues, fellow congregants at church and acquaintances I run into, who are volunteering in the Obama campaign, many for the first time ever working for a campaign, will not "give" them anything. In Ohio it is about far, far more than electing Obama. We have other races and are building on the momentum of 2006 and looking to 2010. We MUSt and WILL win Ohio.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

      by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:43:47 AM PDT

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    •  We give 'em Ohio . . . (1+ / 0-)
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      and how many other states whose voter rolls are being challenged in similar ways?

  •  Court decison forces compliance (4+ / 0-)

    The decision of the 6th Circuit sitting en banc forces compliance by the Democratic Secretary of State. What needs to be done now is to comply with this ruling as effectively as possible.

    I would urge Secretary Brunner to move as efficiently as possible to verify the new registrations as quickly as possible. Hopefully the vast majority of these registrations can be properly verified and the applicants can proceed to vote. In fact, this could work to our advantage if almost all of these registrations prove to be valid.  It would go a long way towards demonstrating that the GOP is overestimating the amount of voter fraud in Ohio and other states.

    It does not matter that the 6th Circuit ruled pretty much on party lines 9-6 to force a check of these new registrations. Short of an appeal to the Supreme Court which results in a reversal which seems unlikely to me Secretary Brunner must comply. Given how Bush v. Gore was decided and considering that the court is even more conservative now than back in 2000 rapid compliance is the best method to ensure as many new voters as possible get to vote in Ohio on November 4th.

    I would also point out the Obama ground game coupled with the economic crisis and aided by Bush's extremely high disapproval ratings, still gives Obama-Biden a very good chance to take Ohio in spite of the Repugs efforts to disenfranchise as many new voters as possible.

  •  I'm not concerned: Ohio has instant voting (0+ / 0-)

    John McCain makes George W. Bush look prudent - Andrew Sullivan

    by DiegoUK on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 02:36:00 AM PDT

  •  Its setting the table for a contested election. (3+ / 0-)
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    shpilk, corvo, Losty

    The GOP can't think that a state with a Democratic govenor and secretary of state wont get theese voters confirmed. This all about setting the ground work for contesting the results in a close election.

    •  The corporate media is part of it, by denying (3+ / 0-)
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      corvo, Losty, creamer

      all of the polling, and insisting these are 'battleground' States, States like IA and NH where Obama has been up by over 10% are still called 'battleground' States.

      Corporate media is playing the narrative.

      2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

      by shpilk on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:58:11 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Voter Purges in Ohio (6+ / 0-)

    Thanks for the diary.  The DC Democratic Party has not made no voter left behind a priority since Bush v. Gore.   One thing that can be done is to inform voters that they have the right to cast a provisional ballot.  Make it personal - "The Republicans are trying to keep you from voting."  

    •  This is exactly what we need. (1+ / 0-)
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      Otteray Scribe

      Action points.  Strategy points.  But keep it straight and honest.  We have no evidence that Republicans are behind this.  We only know that it's going on, and that it will affect us disproportionately if it carries.  I suggest it's better to say something like "Your vote might be in jeopardy, and this is what you need to do to be sure you can vote."  That blames no one, and is still the plain Truth according to facts we do have.

      There will have to be a herd of public service announcements in print, on air, on the 'net.  And a hell of a lot of discussion for public awareness among any and every MSM willing to pick it up and get this out.

      In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
      -- George Orwell

      by USexpat Ukraine on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 03:54:07 AM PDT

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      •  We have no evidence? (2+ / 0-)
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        Um, we have exactly the evidence of who filed the lawsuits.  It is indeed Republicans, just like it was specifically Republicans when Blackwell and Co did their reverse get out the vote in 2004.

        In fact, I can't think of a single time Dems have EVER been behind any scheme to reduce the number of voters.  Dems are always trying to get more voters, Republicans fewer, by specifically targeting groups more likely to be Dem voters.

        Got a problem with my posts? Quit reading them. They're usually opinions, and I don't come here to get in arguments.

        by drbloodaxe on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:33:17 AM PDT

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  •  Provisional ballots often are found in dumpsters (2+ / 0-)
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    LordMike, drbloodaxe
  •  They are flirting with civil war (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    shpilk, ThompsonLazyBoy

    They'd rather see the United States die than lose the Presidency.

    Have you accepted Spam as your personal Lord and Savior? :)

    by cskendrick on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 03:33:05 AM PDT

  •  HOW THE HELL are we still in this mess 8 YEARS (4+ / 0-)
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    Where's the voter rights reform?

    The Dems have been in control of Congress for 2 frackin years!

    The Iraqis hardly have running water and electricity, but somehow we can facilitate fair Iraqi elections?

    I swear to GOD!  If national election reform is not passed and mandated in every precinct in the nation within the first 100 days of the Democratic Party controlling both the WH and the Congress, then we've only fought for a quasi-victory.

    I'm talking, paper ballots, in duplicate, with optical scanners.  The duplicate has a ballot number on it so that the voter can check online to ensure their vote was recorded correctly.  Standards on minimum font sizes, layout, etc.

    Local election boards can run their local elections however they want, but any ballot with a national election will have to meet the federal standards.

    And yes, there needs to be verification of voter eligibility of some kind.  Something national and dependable.  You can't tell me that the Federal Government doesn't have an accurate database of all legal citizens.  How the hell do they verify ID when they issue a passport?  Yes it'll be a huge project whatever it is, but I'll be damned if our government sits around for another fuckin 8 years and doesn't do anything!!!

    If either side can come up with an even borderline legitimate-sounding voter fraud accusation, then its a damage to our country.  Our citizens HAVE to trust the electoral system.  If they don't, the won't bother voting and the government becomes illegitimate in the minds of Americans.


    Feingold is my hero.

    by Marc in CA on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 03:42:12 AM PDT

    •  What we need... (7+ / 0-) automatic voter registration.  Everyone after the age of eighteen should be registered in the same way that everyone over eighteen registers for selective service.  Then, we wouldn't have all this voter registration fraud nonsense, and we'd probably see an increase in participation.  The Republicans would hate it for sure, but it would be in the best interest of democracy.

      •  Note (7+ / 0-)

        that escaping selective service, the taxman, and credit history are nigh on to impossible.  It's voting registration that's so elusive, hard to keep.  

        Got a student loan?  Anyone know of govt. ever losing track of that?  Points on your DL?  Ever hear of authorities or insurance companies losing track of that?  An overdue or late payment or two or three?  Ever hear of credit bureaus losing track of that?

        In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
        -- George Orwell

        by USexpat Ukraine on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:00:09 AM PDT

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      •  I like the idea of auto registration (3+ / 0-)
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        jkb246, drbloodaxe, Losty

        It could be tied to all kinds of official registrations and/or notifications.  Selective Service, Driver's License, State or Federal tax returns, etc.  

        What causes me to go, "hmmmmm...." is the fact that Diebold cannot seem to come up with a paper trail for voters to use as both a paper receipt and an internal paper trail.  Funny.  Every time I do an ATM transaction on a bank machine that has "Diebold" on the nameplate, I get a paper receipt and the bank keeps a matching paper printout inside the machine.  Now what is so hard about doing the same with a voting machine?

        I look forward to a newly constituted Federal Election Commission and Justice Department working on the problems before the 2010 election.  And prosecuting those who have been engaging in voter caging and disenfranchisement.  

        It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the environment. - Ansel Adams

        by Otteray Scribe on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:11:05 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Some problems with that, but interesting... (0+ / 0-)

        Well automatic voter registration wouldn't work at all in our current infrastructure.  All votes are local, even national elections.  Your home address matters.  Selective Service doesn't track your current address.

        On the other hand though, that doesn't mean that the system can't be changed.  Maybe the newly created National Voter Database could be used to supplement identification.  If someone registers locally to vote for the first time, their eligibility can be verified through that National Voter Database.

        Feingold is my hero.

        by Marc in CA on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 01:44:56 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Via the Power of Appointment... (0+ / 0-)

      ...and knock-kneed piss-stained coward Democrats in the Senate who approved Bush's rightwing hack Judges.

  •  I am not surprised.... (3+ / 0-)
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    Floja Roja, Losty, Otteray Scribe

    The Secretary Of State in Ohio has certainly become the most politized office in the state. You Kossacks remember what happened four years ago with Ken Blackwell dumping the provisional ballots(denying his own ethnic peers their right to vote),roadblock after roadblock thrown in the way to slow down the political decision making process.

    People wonder why Blacks don't vote Republican. Is it because we want more handouts? No, because of this.

    Sometimes as a resident of Northeast Ohio, I often dream of the possibility of the region which I live in seceding from the rest of the state; it would not be such a bad idea afterall.

  •  So the SOS's office (3+ / 0-)

    has to come up with a new system in THREE days and you are suggesting people call them?

    Sorry - dumb.

    Good diary but take that out of your action items.  

    Follow my convention delegate adventure at my twitter page.

    by aimeeinkc on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 03:58:02 AM PDT

    •  Agree. (0+ / 0-)

      By calling, it is wasting valuable time of staff who need to be solving problems.  It is not exactly as if they do not know about the problem and are working on it.  There is a Democrat sitting in both the Secretary of State's office and the Governor's chair.  They are on this and are looking out for the interest of both the voter and our candidates.

      If one absolutely must contact them, send an e-mail to their state office web sites.  Those are easy to find using our old friend Google.  Just do not tie up phone and staff time.  They will get around to emails when they have time.

      It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the environment. - Ansel Adams

      by Otteray Scribe on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:17:12 AM PDT

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    •  Frankly... (2+ / 0-)
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      I don't know what to suggest in this situation.  But the people answering the phones aren't likely to be the people who are involved in solving this crisis.  It's not like the SoS is going to have to answer calls.  She'll do her job, I'm just saying that we give her support.  If you think calling is over the line, then just send an email and let her know that you appreciate her standing up for voters' rights, etc..

    •  I agree. Leave the SOS alone so they can figure.. (2+ / 0-)
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      out how to solve the problem.

      "Hey Sarah, I can see the end of your political career from my house!"

      by madame defarge on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:41:34 AM PDT

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  •  fuck. (2+ / 0-)
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    USexpat Ukraine, Mehitabel9

    Electoral frauds needs to be elevated in terms of the law to be up there with treason(the only crime specifically set out in the constitution). This shit can not stand and people need to be made examples of.

  •  Jennifer Bruner OH SOS (14+ / 0-)

    Is NOT part of the problem.  DO NOT bombard her office.  She is one of the good guys.  She has worked tirelessly on the elections.  

    She has enforced Ohio law to the letter.  She has been attacked viciously by Republicans who wrote the laws she's upholding BTW.  It's crazy time.  They aren't in power in Ohio anymore (after years of pretty much single party control) so the laws they enacted when they were the majority are on the books and she's following them.

    NOW they decide they don't like the law and want it to be different.

    Write to the Columbus Dispatch, The Dayton Daily News and the Cleveland Plain Dealer.  

    They will help get the story out.  

  •  Please delete Ohio SOC phone/contact (3+ / 0-)

    info from the diary.  These folks so do not need to be overwhelmed by calls from us.  

    ...just another hooligan from the droogie clique

    by RadioGirl on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:38:52 AM PDT

  •  Seeing as how the SOS & the Governor are Dems (3+ / 0-)

    I think we can safely assume they will be working hard on this.

    "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex" Dwight D. Eisenhower

    by bobdevo on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 04:43:33 AM PDT

  •  Answer to Update II question (3+ / 0-)

    For years Social Security has advocated (against practice) that Social Security cards not be used for identification.

    There might be a number of reasons.  Social Security issues duplicate cards if people lose their cards; they are not photo IDs; why should you be obligated to give out your Social Security number to any and everyone who demands it with some penalty (not getting a job, not being able to vote, and so on) implied.

    Fact of the matter is that no ID system is infallible.

    And the real issue is that there have been few demonstrable instances of the the type of voter fraud the Republicans are alleging and many demonstrable instances of the election fraud that Republicans engage in.

    Frankly in Ohio, the result depends on the partisan composition of the court.  And that worries me.  Republican judges recently have consistently and in lockstep supported Republican Party agendas.

    •  Agreed except for employment (4+ / 0-)

      You have to give your correct SSN to your employer, because your employer has to pay your payroll taxes (both your portion and the employer portion).

      That is, after all, the primary purpose of your SSN.

      And, since the IRS also uses your SSN for tax identification purposes, your employer also needs your correct SSN to track your federal withholding tax.

  •  Look for Rolling Stone (2+ / 0-)
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    USexpat Ukraine, orangeuglad

    Gregg Palast and RFK , Jr. have an article in this weeks Rolling Stone and Palast has a comic book available concerning HOW TO STEAL YOUR VOTE BACK!

  •  I don't know what good writing to newspapers (2+ / 0-)

    is going to do, unless the Court of Appeals inserted a clause in their ruling that said "unless a whole bunch of people write letters to the editor detailing how stupid we are."  I think the ink would be better spent writing letters supporting Obama and the Democratic ticket to get maximum results from the voters who will remain on the rolls.  Newspapers aren't LTE machines.  You only get so many bites at the apple.  For my paper it's one a month.

    People may doubt what you say, but they will always believe what you do.

    by ZedMont on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:07:30 AM PDT

  •  According to this.. (0+ / 0-)

    I wouldn't be able to vote.  When my father applied for my social security card, he forgot to use my real name and used my nickname.  I've never changed it....wonder how many others are in the same boat?

  •  I don't know that I ever updated my SS info (1+ / 0-)
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    when I moved next door almost a decade ago.

    Since any mail they would send out still arrives at my parents' house and just gets handed over, there never seemed much urgency.

    My driver's license is accurate though.

    Got a problem with my posts? Quit reading them. They're usually opinions, and I don't come here to get in arguments.

    by drbloodaxe on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:26:37 AM PDT

  •  The one thing for voters in Ohio (2+ / 0-)
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    Patricia Taylor, Floja Roja

    to do, it to check into their registration before election day to make sure they are OK. Obama's site has a tool to help you. Or each voter can check with their board of elections to verify their registration.

    Here is the Ohio page from Obama's site so you can check out news and events and clink around.

    Truth is harmonious, lies are discordant.

    by Babsnc on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:29:49 AM PDT

  •  We should sue the DMV... (4+ / 0-)
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    USexpat Ukraine, paxpi, Losty, axel000

    Tell them that if their records don't match the Voter Registration records, then declare the DMV database out of date.

    After all, the registration form is the most recent data we have.

  •  Brunner should defy the 6th Circuit. Seriously. (8+ / 0-)

    She should ignore the Circuit Court. She should go on TV and say that the Circuit Court's ruling would effectively disinfranchise 600,000 voters because there is no way to set up a system in just 3 weeks to cross check these voters.

    What she should do, instead, is to allow each of these folks to vote if they can produce valid picture ID's at the polls, or if they cannot to cast a provisional ballot and have their registrations confirmed after the election.

    This accoomplishes the GOAL of the Circuit Court by making sure these folks are validly registered without actually depriving 600,000 people of the right to vote.

    Then, the next Congress shuld move to immediately impeach the bastards on the 6th Circuit who made this ruling.

    •  She should tear up any Order she gets... (1+ / 0-)
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      USexpat Ukraine

      ...from the Court. And, go to jail if necessary to protest this bullshit.

    •  NO provisional ballots. (0+ / 0-)

      They go straight into the garbage can. Otherwise, good advice.

      How we know Daffy Duck is Republican: "It's mine, understand? Mine, all mine! Get back down there! Down down down! Go go go! Mine mine mine! Mwahahaha!" --BiPM

      by rhetoricus on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:51:06 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Provisional ballots do NOT (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        USexpat Ukraine, paxpi, Pannich

        "go straight to the garbage can." THAT is garbage. They are counted like any other ballot if it is ascertained that the voter is legitimate and voting in the correct precinct. This is one of the most insidious myths out there and it is total myth.

        We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

        by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:33:52 AM PDT

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        •  The provisional ballots (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          LordMike, USexpat Ukraine

 with exactly the challenge that the original ballot did, without the voter present. In 2004, many, many thousands of provisional ballots went uncounted.

          People who cast provisional ballots can NOT assume their vote will be counted, if past is prologue.

          Provisional ballots should be the very last option.

          How we know Daffy Duck is Republican: "It's mine, understand? Mine, all mine! Get back down there! Down down down! Go go go! Mine mine mine! Mwahahaha!" --BiPM

          by rhetoricus on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:13:02 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  All provisional ballots have a tracking number (0+ / 0-)

            The voter can call and follow up if they are concerned.

            We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

            by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:23:33 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Good Luck (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              LordMike, USexpat Ukraine

              I'm not sure how it is in every state, but in Georgia you have to follow up with the county election office within 48 hours after the vote and prove to them why your ballot should count.  Just try going to your county election office within the two days after the election and getting served promptly if at all.  Moreover, they impose an added burden on voters, especially those that can't get away from work or can't get easy transportation.  Provisional ballots are better than nothing, but they aren't that much better.  That would be okay if it wasn't common for poll workers to react to any potential records problem by insisting that the voter cast a provisional ballot.  

              •  IN ohio, you don't (2+ / 0-)
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                LordMike, Losty

                If you have given them the correct last four digits of your social security number or correct drivers' license number and voted in the right precinct, there's nothing more you need to do. Only people who refuse to provide an ID and refuse to sign the affadavit have to go to the BoE with ID within ten days after the election.

                We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

                by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:09:40 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

          •  The provisional ballots are counted (0+ / 0-)

            if the election is close. As I remember it, Kerry did not want the provisional ballots counted.

            •  NO, they are counted (1+ / 0-)
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              once it's determined that the voter is legitimate. Kerry didn't push to hold off on conceded until after they were counted because there were not enough to have altered the result. But with a host of downticket races that could easily be decided by a handful of votes, of course they are counted. remember the presidential race isn't the only thing on there.

              We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

              by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:11:33 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

    •  its not three weeks though (1+ / 0-)
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      the court orders gives her days to get this new system up and running, this Friday.

      Government for the people, by the people

      by axel000 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:05:15 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Picture id is too much. Soc. Sec. card should be (0+ / 0-)


      "Don't tell me. I'll tell you. Me and my people are just about through." Nina Simone

      by rhodeislanddemocrat on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:06:03 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Chill everyone.. (4+ / 0-)

    if the Social Security number doesn't check out further inquiries will be made or at worst you'll be able to vote by Provisional ballot. This is not going to cost Obama Ohio. Nothing should be posted here which discourages a single voter from going to the polls. Vote Ohioans and preferably early. If there's any problem you can get it checked out and your vote will count.

    •  Provisional Ballot=Trashed ballot (0+ / 0-)

      So that is pointless. If people have to vote provisional they probably won't vote again, especially younger people.  There was a story on tv yesterday focusing on Colorado students changing there place of residence to vote in CO. Imagine all of those registrations being thrown out?? Those students wouldn't vote again for years.

  •  Call the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals... (5+ / 0-)

    ...and orhganize a massive protest against those assholes.

    Phone:  513-564-7000

    Circuit Executive.
    Phone:  513-564-7200

    Flood their phones protesting their bullshit, outrageous decision.

  •  We should hardly be surprised, this is the same (6+ / 0-)

    ideology that brought you the poll tax and Florida in 2000.  These people are thugs and will stop at nothing to keep people from voting.  

    "I'm a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will" - Antonio Gramsci

    by HGM MA on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:37:48 AM PDT

  •  Chicken Little. Do you thing Democratic (0+ / 0-)

    Governor Ted Strickland is asleep at the switch on this one?   Please.  

    Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

    by SpamNunn on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:41:44 AM PDT

    •  The governor (1+ / 0-)
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      ..has the power to overrule courts?

      How we know Daffy Duck is Republican: "It's mine, understand? Mine, all mine! Get back down there! Down down down! Go go go! Mine mine mine! Mwahahaha!" --BiPM

      by rhetoricus on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:53:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  No, he controls the Board of Elections. (0+ / 0-)

        Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

        by SpamNunn on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:58:32 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  not quite! (0+ / 0-)

          SoS Brunner has the tie-breaking vote on the bipartisan county boards. (There is no state board in Ohio.) Is that what you mean? Or do you have some other role in mind for Strickland?

          •  Brunner has to run the program to do the (0+ / 0-)

            cross check.  She is a Democrat that answers to a Democratic governor.  The county boards are bi-partisan.   They have a lot of work to do, but it is worth doing in order to prevent anyone from saying that some voters didn't get to vote or that some voted who shouldn't have.  I have no problem with this, at all.   Frankly, there should be more careful scrutiny of voter registration.  It's one of our more important civic duties.  Only those who are entitled to vote should vote, IMHO.  

            Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

            by SpamNunn on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:09:51 AM PDT

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            •  she doesn't really answer to Strickland (1+ / 0-)
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              She was elected by the citizens of Ohio, and she answers to them. I'm just saying.

              I have no problem with the principle that we should strive for accurate registration rolls. I have the wild thought that I would like to read the ruling before saying much more than that -- except that the timing here seems brutal.

  •  Same old (1+ / 0-)
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    bag of dirty tricks-just a different election.

    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction." --Blaise Pascal

    by lyvwyr101 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:43:13 AM PDT

  •  Update IV is freakin me out (9+ / 0-)

    I wouldn't be surprised to see if the GOP just forgets trying to win voters over completely now and just focuses on stealing the election in the swing states.  Sounds like it's happening now.  This is obviously the new strategy now, with the ACORN accusations as the justification for them to do whatever the hell they want to take this away.

    And still, nothing on CNN.

    I seriously hope at the very least Tweety, Olbermann, and Maddow pick this up and run with it.  This is very important.

  •  as OHIO is democratic (governer and co.) - (1+ / 0-)
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    USexpat Ukraine

    won't they somehow make sure that the election is not stolen?

    •  ..not if a GOP court (4+ / 0-)
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      corvo, USexpat Ukraine, Losty, axel000

      provides an impossible and illegal hurdle.

      How we know Daffy Duck is Republican: "It's mine, understand? Mine, all mine! Get back down there! Down down down! Go go go! Mine mine mine! Mwahahaha!" --BiPM

      by rhetoricus on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:52:10 AM PDT

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    •  Not just the governor (2+ / 0-)
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      but the secretary of state and attorney general as well. And the Obama campaign and the Ohio Democratic Party have an extensive voter protection program that has been up and running for months. They are prepared, and people should calm down.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

      by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:35:55 AM PDT

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      •  And as we're increasingly seeing, (1+ / 0-)
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        that "voter protection program" involves filing suit in Rethug-dominated courts after the fact.

      •  The AG is an Interim.. (0+ / 0-)

        It's on the ballot November, the last one had some... trouble.  Went to a meeting and found, for some reason, a Horses head in his chair.  He took the hint too.  

        3-way dance to replace him.. D/R/Independent who actually is the Constitution Party Chairman (CP is on only for Prez (Baldwin/Castlt) due to election law thrown out as unconstitutional and never rewritten)

  •  Teach people what to do.. (2+ / 0-)
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    LordMike, axel000

    ..if their registration or identity is challenged..

    Most importantly, tell folks to vote early if at all possible, and if folks must vote on Election Day, go early in the day to  address problems early (like being able to go home and produce whatever extra info they are demanding).

    Tell people to contact a lawyer or the Obama hotline (local numbers will be provided by the Obama campaign close to the date), but NOT to cast a provisional ballot if at all possible. It will be challenged in their absence, and most likely tossed.

    How we know Daffy Duck is Republican: "It's mine, understand? Mine, all mine! Get back down there! Down down down! Go go go! Mine mine mine! Mwahahaha!" --BiPM

    by rhetoricus on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 05:50:01 AM PDT

    •  It will NOT be tossed (3+ / 0-)
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      LordMike, Floja Roja, glassbeadgame

      but the best thing to do is not to into hyper-hysteria panic. The only person who can "challenge" you is a poll worker (Obervers are not allowed to do so). The #1 reason for being asked to vote provisional is not that your ID is challenged, but that you are in the wrong precinct. Before you fly off the handle and start calling lawyers, PLEASE make sure you are in the right precinct. I'm an Ohio pollworker and I know this.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

      by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:39:42 AM PDT

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      •  or, go to the right precinct. (0+ / 0-)

        Glad we have a Dem pollworker in there, but nothing I said suggests anyone go into a panic.

        How we know Daffy Duck is Republican: "It's mine, understand? Mine, all mine! Get back down there! Down down down! Go go go! Mine mine mine! Mwahahaha!" --BiPM

        by rhetoricus on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:15:10 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  which county are you in? (0+ / 0-)

        Do you know what to do if I've rec'd an absentee ballot but I want to vote early ("in-person absentee")?

        At last week's rally in Columbus, a senior campaign staffer told me that I could indeed vote early and they would "disregard" any absentee ballot that they might later receive from me. Another volunteer said she'd brought her absentee ballot down to the early voting location & they disposed of it (?) & then she was able to vote.

        However, two separate calls to the BofE and I'm still being told the opposite: if I've already been sent an absentee ballot, they expect me to use it. If I go vote early in-person, then my vote will be counted provisionally.

        So who should I believe? I'd prefer to vote early, but I'd send in my ballot today if I knew for sure that it was my only option.

        •  Actually, some of that is true (3+ / 0-)
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          LordMike, glassbeadgame, indriindri

          You can fill in your absentee ballot at home and drop it off, as I plan to do later today (I'm in Cuyahoga where we won a battle to keep the BoE open beyond business hours and also Sundays, which not surprisingly, was opposed by the GOP.) Or you can bring your absentee ballot, which is identical to the ballot you would get at the BoE or the polling place, and you can fill it out and scan it there. So you can basically do both: use the absentee ballot AND vote early at your BoE, assuming your county is using optical scan.

          If you request an absentee ballot, you are not "expected" to use it, but with optical scan ballots now in use pretty much everywhere, you mgiht as well bring it down to the BoE and scan it there, if you want to scan it (I'm just dropping mine off in the mailing envelop).

          If you requested an absentee ballot and don't use it but choose to go to your POLLING PLACE, then you will vote provisionally, a vote which WILL COUNT, once they ascertain it is the only vote you cast.

          We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

          by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:18:28 AM PDT

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  •  The Dems better... (1+ / 0-)
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    do something about this...not because we need Ohio(although it would help) but for our right and liberty to vote. Comm'on Dems remember what Bush said..."Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice...umm...well.." haha

  •  Dems need to countersue (9+ / 0-)

    There's no way of implementing a checking system in time for the election, unless you simply don't count the votes.  It's completely ridiculous for this to be implemented AFTER the voter registration deadline.  If the judges are so bloody concerned about the integrity of the system, then why not point out that the ruling can't take effect until the next voter registration deadline?

    This is a serious threat to equal protection of people who have registered.

  •  disenfranchisement and theft (0+ / 0-)

    is how Bush won in 2000 and 2004. No reason to think the GOP would stop now, particularly given how little risk they run of Congressional Dems doing any serious investigation or legislation that would lead to meaningful punishment for committing the most fundamental crime in a democracy.

  •  Ok... (2+ / 0-)
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    ManhattanMan, USexpat Ukraine

    I hate what they do. They do it every election.  They accuse us of doing it.  But here's the thing.

    When we talk about it, we call it disenfranchisement. When they talk about it they call it fraud.  I know they use a broad brush when they use that word, but everyone understands it.  We can't get joe sixpack to pay attention to the outright illegal acts that they do by using words that are more than one syllable.  Don't yell at me for being classist but that's just the way it is.  Low info voters need small words and bumper sticker phrases.  
    Sorry for the rant, but I just woke up and saw this and had to get this off my chest.

    "Perhaps it is music that will save the world." Pablo Casals

    by KJack on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:03:09 AM PDT

  •  Why are we agaisnt this? (0+ / 0-)

    To me it seems more then fair that the government verify each and every registration to make sure no voter fraud is occuring.  In my world, one of the largest crimes one could committ is voter fraud.  Even 1 bad vote is huge.  I would think Dems not republicans would be cheering for a fair election.  Maybe I don't understand the problem.

  •  They tried this in Georgia before 2006 (2+ / 0-)
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    LordMike, Losty

    elections.  My ssn# and dmv# names don't match -- one married, one maiden.  Got a letter from GA SOS saying
    I wouldn't be able to vote without a valid id. (GA and Indiana only states that require gov id to vote).
    Probably did scare some people away but no one had any problem voting.  

  •  Go on Fox News & CNN and scream about it! (0+ / 0-)

    oh wait, i'm sure they're still talking about ACORN!!!

  •  This is something worth taking to the streets (0+ / 0-)

    if I were an Ohioan.

    McCain distinguishes "Obama Democrats" from "Dean Democrats" in his fundraising letters.

    by plok on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:32:38 AM PDT

    •  No (2+ / 0-)
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      LordMike, glassbeadgame

      it's not. The only thing worth "taking to the streets" for is canvassing for Obama. The canvasing effort in the next three weeks is going to be massive, and we can nit spare people to "take to the streets" to protest merely the latest glitch in a steady stream of Republican challenges. We have an election to win.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

      by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:37:30 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Typical Rethug tactics. (0+ / 0-)

    they know that can't win fair and square, so they will try to steal it. I'm afraid with Ohio being so close, they are going to do it again.

    "Remember back when W and the Republicans f'ed up the entire world?"

    by A Man Called Gloom on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:42:33 AM PDT

  •  GOP comment on case (2+ / 0-)
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    Jennifer Brunner continues to do everything she can to help her candidate," Bennett had said. "Her efforts to fight transparency and accountability in the voting process are shameful, and her actions to conceal fraudulent activity only serve to cast doubt on the integrity of this election. "

    This is utterly disgusting, accusing a SOS of concealing fraudulent activity, calling the integrity of the general election in doubt.... wow, just wow.  Disgusting.

    Government for the people, by the people

    by axel000 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:47:01 AM PDT

  •  Isn't it their job? Whine, whine, whine! (1+ / 0-)
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    Those in city and county government charged with checking voter registrations are whining because they have been "flooded" with new voter registration and some of those have been fraudulent.  IT IS THERE JOB TO WEED OUT THE FRAUDULENT FROM THE VALID!!! IT IS WHAT THEY GET PAID FOR!!!  And voter registration always goes up in a major election year.  They should have been prepared.  Are these people living under a rock?  Have they not heard story after story about the sharp rise in the number of voter registrations?  

    Do your job!  Weed out the fraudulent applications.  And, stop whining.  We all know Mick E. Mouse isn't going to show up at the polls to vote.  

  •  It's not just setting up disenfranchisement (2+ / 0-)
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    USexpat Ukraine, Losty

    of voters at the polls.

    They are setting up court challenges to the election results. Unlike Gore and Kerry, McCain will fight on after the election to change the results, even if he loses by 5 million votes.

    The Republican Party by definition has become nothing more than a criminal organization.

    The national Republican Party has paid people to fraudulently fill out registration forms, and then they hold up these 'examples' are reasons why honest citizens should have their right to vote suppressed.

    2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a puddle of goo

    by shpilk on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:54:11 AM PDT

  •  Call their bluff (0+ / 0-)

    600 volunteers checking 1000 registrations, or 1000 volunteers checking 600 registrations each -  manually verifying each registration would solve the problem.  Or hey - how about creating some jobs over this?  Seriously, maybe it can't be done in three weeks by building a new computer program; but there are still almost three weeks to go, not 24 hours and it should not be a problem to get this done.  Provided, of course that the GOP doesn't decide to file lawsuits over the methodology.  But a manual check with - wait for it - a paper trail, ought to satisfy anybody.

    Seriously, impossible deadlines are only impossible if you refuse to consider all possible methods of getting the job done.  In this case - throw a massive number of people at the problem.  And, does anybody know of an organization that can mobilize massive numbers of volunteers at a moment's notice?  Hmm... O-rama, O-drama, O-calma... something right at the back of my mind... crumbs I'll wake up in the middle of the night and suddenly remember it.

    'The votes are in, and we won.' - Jim Webb, 11/07/2006

    by lcork on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 06:56:37 AM PDT

    •  yes the court decision says a system must be in (1+ / 0-)
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      place, doesn't mean a computer system necessarily.

      Government for the people, by the people

      by axel000 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:10:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I used to be (0+ / 0-)
        a music copyist, and periodically the composer would be late with their score, but the first rehearsal or recoring session was not something that could be rescheduled.  We would calculate the number of hours a job should take and if you had enough time you did the job yourself, if you didn't have the requisite number of hours to do it yourself, you simply called another copyist - or two, or three, or two dozen or more.  The math was simple - one copyist can do a ten hour job in ten hours, five in can do it in two hours, etc.  This situation is really no different.  

        The S.O.S. should determine how long it takes to verify ten regstrations then calculate the amount of time the entire job should take, add 10% for unforeseen problems and then staff up.

        She could make a media event out of it.  Hire a hotel ballroom, set up whatever computer access is needed for the volunteers; put paid staff in charge of supervising them; and invite the media in to observe the work.  At the end of the process, well before election day, hold a big press conference and with great fanfare announce the percentage of voter registrations that were verified and accurate -- I would be surprised if it was not in the high 90's.  Also announce the types of issues found with the applications that were not verified - just guessing but they will probably not be "election stealing" issues for the most part.

        'The votes are in, and we won.' - Jim Webb, 11/07/2006

        by lcork on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:52:51 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  The Acorn Propoganda (12+ / 0-)

    and these legal contests are all pre-positioning.

    Of course the GOP isn't going to give over power easily.

    The cynics in the political operation on the other side are pre-staging now for a legal contest of the November 4 election.

    When Barack Obama wins, in part through a massive presence of newly activated voters, the GOP is going to try and invalidate that vote by whatever means possible in the hope that they can invalidate the election or, failing to do that, weakening the mandate of the Obama/Biden administration by saying the vote was stolen through fraud.

    In short, they are going to use the real frauds of 2000 and 2004 to claim a false fraud in 2008.

    That's how evil works - it takes the truth and twists it into a lie, towards a bad end.

    They're trying to break the system.

    What they do is actually quite cancerous, in terms of process and outcome.

    •  response (4+ / 0-)
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      Patricia Taylor, corvo, imchange, Losty

      'That's how evil works' I don't think so.  If you remember 2000, some Democratic congresswomen (can't remember, I think Maxine Waters and some others) stood up in the US Congress and tried to get even ONE Democratic Senator to team with them as required to address the 2000 fraud. NOT ONE Democratic Senator had the guts to do that. This is not evil; this is corruption that included bot parties.

      •  I Agree With You About Corruption - (0+ / 0-)

        Nevertheless, corruption and evil are neither mutually exclusive concepts nor do I imply that corruption can be actively opposed while we sit passively by and let evil do its work.

        Nor do I imply that evil is partisan.

        •  ACORN identified the Fraud (1+ / 0-)
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          USexpat Ukraine

          Amazing that John McCain who was the guest speaker at the 2006 ACORN conference is now attacking them. It goes to show you how the R's will take their own weakness and try to use it to attack Obama and us.

          Racehl Maddow has a great interview on it today.

          <iframe height="339" width="425" src="" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>

          Since 1964 when large numbers of African American voters have been allowed to vote R's have worked to suppress turn-out and D's have tried to increase it. Many states require you to have a drivers license to vote and you see the same impact as in Katrina where if you didn't have one (often poor) you couldn't get out of town or get services.

          If you don't think this matters in Washington State 4 years ago we elected our current D governor by 133 votes and when Senator Cantwell ran the first time she also won by less then 1500 votes out of over 2 million cast. We all remember the Gore vote.

          Our aim must never be to defeat or humiliate the enemy, but to win his friendship and understanding." -- 1958 MLK

          by Cascadia on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:56:02 AM PDT

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  •  voters (1+ / 0-)
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    This isn't exactly news. The GOP undermined confidence in election results in 2000 and in 2004.  Both times the Democrats backed off b/c 'the system works.' whatever. Bottom line:  Let's see if the Democrats have grown a spine since 2004. I am skeptical.

  •  Who is U.S. District Judge George C. Smith? (1+ / 0-)
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    Floja Roja

    Is he a GOP appointee?  Is he a Republican?  I think that that is worth exploring.

    Advice for the 600,000 new voter registrants in Ohio:  don't wait until election day to see if you are registered to vote (only to find out that you are not).  Call your Social Security office today and have them print you a letter that shows your current address (have them fax it to you or better yet, have them mail it to you so that you have the stamped envelope showing where you live); take that letter with you to your local Election Board with any other form of ID.  Then before you leave make sure that the board has informed you that you are registered and won't be denied the right to vote.  Don't wait.

    Know of someone who is a new Ohio voter registrant?  Contact them TODAY and tell them that you would like to help them insure that they are registered by driving them to the Social Security office or their local election board.


  •  Stand up for Jennifer Brunner? (2+ / 2-)
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    HudsonValleyMark, raf
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    anastasia p, wobbledon

    You're kidding.  It was her job to keep crap like this from happening in the first place.

    She failed.

    •  eh, reluctantly uprated for rating abuse (0+ / 0-)

      I'm ambivalent about this one: it's an opinion, but it's such a wild one, I can see the case for a hide rating. Just how is Brunner supposed to keep a federal court from ruling against her? What on earth are you thinking?

      •  Umm, what I was thinking (0+ / 0-)

        is that it's a SoS's job to produce voter lists that are air-and watertight against challenges.  Especially in the face of challenges which, frankly, should have been anticipated.

        •  I'm not convinced (0+ / 0-)

          No matter how perfect the voter list might be, it isn't possible to forestall every legal challenge.

          For that matter, if you know how the SoS could be better positioned to vouch for every one of 8 million registered voters with the resources she has been given -- but you've been sitting on that information all this time -- maybe you should step forward and take your share of the blame.

          It just seems like an archetypal Keyboard Kommando gripe.

        •  I'd worry more about how "airtight" your (3+ / 0-)

          uniformed opinion, to put it politely, is.
          Brunner's main argument with the courts is the Help America Vote Act does not proscribe or force any state to deliver a state wide clearing house to each BoE to vet new registrations.
          The integrity of the process is assumed, as it always has been, with the Secretary of State, not every tom, dick and mary down at the social hall.  The system has many points along which to verify and disqualify.
          What next?  Each voter having instant internet access and software to cross index every name so we can "empower" citizen disfranchisement.

  •  Can your Sec of State appeal the ruling... (0+ / 0-)

    from what seems to be a partisan court?

  •  Typical Rethug behavior. (1+ / 0-)
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    It is so difficult to register to vote in many states that many people powered voters must depend upon the expertise of community organizing groups like ACORN to work through the difficult maze of registering to vote. It is deplorable that Rethugs would try to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of people powered voters whose only supposed "crime" is being unable to register themselves due to the extreme difficulty of doing so in so many states! Many people powered voters are so focused on more important issues like LGBTQ marital rights and other people powered priorities that we have neither the time nor the expertise to manage the difficulties of the voting registration rules and draconian regulations.

    People power = LGBTQ marital rights = OBAMA '08!

    by kevinspa on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:06:26 AM PDT

  •  Given how close Ohio is this could cost Obama (0+ / 0-)

    I'm really angry about this because they just keep doing this every time. Voting should be a right for every citizen but they want to hit those who have suffered such as minority, black and poorer voters the hardest.

    Send emails, tell others, get this into the MSM because we can't just shout about it here we have to get the word out that its the Rethugs not Acorn who are stealing the election. Mccain has already shown he has no dignity left so don't let them steal Ohio - again!

    •  yes. (2+ / 0-)
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      LordMike, Losty

      Yes, this could cost Obama the election and if he and his staff didn't have this figured out when he started running, when we all knew this years ago, what's up with that? Give the guy some credit, he seems to have anticipated and dealt with all the mud he's had slung at him so far.  And, if the worst does happen, and then the Dems back off for the 3rd time in a row, I would encourage you all to rethink your party strategy and your loyalty and stop believing whatever crap the party tells you.

  •  GOP IS UNAMERICAN (0+ / 0-)

    What more evidence do Americans need????  Kick the GOP out of office!  How can McCain and his thugs think they can disenfranchise 600,000 people?  The GOP are truly fascist.

  • (1+ / 0-)
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    moon in the house of moe

    I hope and encourage everyone to find out about this group and this site,  This is an amazing group of dedicated people who dig deep, are persistent, and really monitor voting mechanics in the states.

  •  FYI....its the BMV in Ohio......n/t (0+ / 0-)

    "The pen devils set the stage for the war at home, locked without a wage....ya standing in the drop zone..."

    by Diggla on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:29:51 AM PDT

  •  Well what do you know. What a coincidence! (2+ / 0-)
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    Treg, USexpat Ukraine

    Not sure if this has been pointed out yet:

    Lower court judge George C. Smith (siding with GOP):  Reagan appointee

    6th Circuit justices who sided with GOP:
    -Sutton:  Bush II appointee
    -Boggs:  Reagan appointee
    -Batchelder:  Bush I appointee
    -Gibbons:  Bush II appointee
    -Cook:  Bush II appointee
    -McKeague:  Bush II appointee
    -Griffin:  Bush II appointee
    -Kethlege:  Bush II appointee
    -Gilman:  Clinton appointee

    6th Circuit justices who sided with Ohio Secretary of State:
    -Moore:  Clinton appointee
    -Martin:  Carter appointee
    -Daughtrey:  Clinton appointee
    -Cole:  Clinton appointee
    -Clay:  Clinton appointee
    -White:  Bush II appointee

    Notice a pattern?  But I'm SURE it's just a coincidence, and politics had nothing to do with it.  

    And this is the party that always rails against "activist judges."  Give me a break.    

    In what respect, Charlie?

    by Self Titled on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:35:51 AM PDT

  •  It's a big problem, but don't panic. (2+ / 0-)
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    LordMike, USexpat Ukraine

    OF COURSE the GOP will use vote suppression tactics like this Ohio gambit whenever they can get away with it. They've been doing it for years, so what's new?

    The Obama campaign knows all about Republican dirty tricks and were always anticipating vote suppression tactics like this. But thanks to their outstanding work at getting the message across and mobilizing voters IN EVERY STATE, they now have leads in many states that have been red for decades. now projects that Obama has a 361/176 Electoral College advantage. There's no way the Republicans can overcome such a gap with cheating. Simply put, Obama knows how to win, and he's doing it.

    So yes, we need to fight the vote suppression. At the same time, have some faith. Things are looking great, even if we end up losing Ohio because of the suit.

  •  It's clear thast what we have to do (1+ / 0-)
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    is set up a system that the GOP can't screw with.  It's been clear since 2000.  And I have yet to see actual advancement be made.  

    Part of what needs to be done is to keep everyone involved between national elections so it's not such a clusterfuck trying to get everyone registered in 3 months.  I'm hoping Obama training more community organizers will help in this regard.  

    The second thing we have to do is stop fighting the GOP's desire to purge the rolls and figure out a way to make them purge proof in advance.  I favor same day registration.  Here's a human, they bring their stuff to the poll and they register.  Then they vote.  Yeah I hate that we need paperwork to vote.  

    Third thing is to force everyone to provide a paper trail. I don't give a rat's behind if it takes a constitutional amendment.  We'll have that ability in the next four years.  Let's get it done.  It's more important than the debt, than Iraq and even health care and the economy.  If people can't vote and have their vote counted we no longer have a democracy.

    We're all one heartbeat away from Forever.

    by KS Rose on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:39:30 AM PDT

  •  We're on MSNBC! (2+ / 0-)
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    LordMike, axel000

    -6.36, -6.38, History has a way of repeating itself:

    by cmangin on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:42:19 AM PDT

  •  Good read Big Blue (3+ / 0-)
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    LordMike, USexpat Ukraine, axel000

    Even MSNBC just thought so as well.  Saw them mention your diary just now.

    "Maybe you know something I don't know." -- G Dub (-4.38,-3.03)

    by don the tin foil on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:42:49 AM PDT

  •  we live in a disgusting facist society (0+ / 0-)


    Obama = Mario, Biden = Luigi

    by acsguitar on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:43:45 AM PDT

  •  We Must write the Plain Dealer as Well (3+ / 0-)
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    LordMike, Losty, axel000

    Cleveland and Cuyahoga County had significant levels of shennanigans and Tom Foolery happen in 2004.

    Lets write them too! Here is the info for the Editor at the Plain Dealer.

    Me and Mrs. Jonzee

    by Jonzee on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:48:03 AM PDT

    •  Ha ha, yeah, THAT'LL work (3+ / 0-)
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      LordMike, glassbeadgame, Losty

      The Plainly Republican is just so eager to expose Republican tomfoolery- NOT! Right now they are slamming the ACORN story on the front page, despite the admission of even our Republican BoE members that basically getting any voter fraud out of this is next to impossible. That's when they're not running a cherry-picked poll showing McCain in the lead on the front page about the fold of the Sunday paper in gigantic type, while burying on page 6 any poll that shows obama in the lead. Or writing a misleading headline suggesting that Obama might still be implicated in the Rezko investigation, only when you read the story it's actually Rod Blagovich.

      I can hardly wait for their fawning McCain endorsement.  I only wish I could cancel it again.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

      by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:22:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  we've had 4 years (1+ / 0-)
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    We need to promote this story and fight it tooth and nail.  The GOP is intentionally undermining voter confidence in the electoral system despite having not a shred of evidence to prove any conspiracy to commit voter fraud.  In fact, a five year investigation by the Bush Adminstration revealed only 120 prosecutable offenses of voter fraud in a nation where 100 million people turn out for presidential elections.

    what the fuck does it take to put an end to this bullshit?  how airtight does election law have to be before this will stop?  why the fuck weren't these new registrations verified back during the primaries?  then there'd be no lawsuit.  and please..."state law doesn't require verification" WILL NOT cut it here.  NEVER, EVER put a goddamn thing past these bastards - it should have been assumed they'd pull something like this; we need to be so proactive on voter registration and verification it hurts.  4 years and we couldn't eliminate this crap?  ugh

    "Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise." Thomas Paine, Common Sense

    by Cedwyn on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:49:15 AM PDT

  •  GOTV becomes STV (Suppress The Vote) (0+ / 0-)


  •  response to Hungry Coyote update (1+ / 0-)
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    USexpat Ukraine

    "declared unfit to vote" could be interpreted lots of different ways

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
    20 days until the '08 elections. Let's paint the country BLUE!

    by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:56:04 AM PDT

  •  Diary should list justices names and appointments (0+ / 0-)

    If these individuals want to tip the balance toward the Republicans, let's at least find out who they are.

  •  Phonebanking in OHIO for early vote halted? (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    LordMike, Losty, Pannich

    I have been phonebanking "Early Voting in OHIO" on my.barackobama this past week. It's been great encouraging Obama supporters to get out early - I actually have the locations/times for each county and people and writing down the info while I call.

    I was concerned when I read this diary yesterday and even emailed the campaign asking them how I should handle questions of whether a person's registration and desire vote is going to be challenged, etc.

    This morning when I went online to get more voters (usually they have been giving us 15 at a time), NO voters under the Early Voting in Ohio came up.

    Has anyone else experienced that today? I would hate to see this damn lawsuit slow down our efforts to encourage early voting in OHIO. I missed a teleconference call yesterday regarding the OHIO phonebanking campaign. Did Anyone listen in?

    I did switch to the Call Women in NC and was able to get 15 callers there, whom I will be calling to remind them to early vote.(I've been alternating between the 2 campaigns).

    I will try again later - maybe they are re-focusing their call lists in response to the lawsuit. I just wish there was some communication on this issue specifically from the OHIO Obama campaign.

    "Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." (T. Paine)

    by dmmteacher on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:59:38 AM PDT

    •  Don't know about that (2+ / 0-)
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      LordMike, glassbeadgame

      But there is massive phone banking and, especially, canvassing, going on in state. I know they told us they are trying to focus on the army of local volunteers and a staffer even told a Dem City club meeting I was at last night that they are trying to match neighbor to neighbor so you're not talking to "some nice kid in California who doesn't know your local issues."

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

      by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:24:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Thanks for the reassurance! (1+ / 0-)
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        My campaign script and calling lists have been geared to strong and Obama leaners - it was pretty much are you planning to vote election day or early, and if they said on day, give reasons to vote early (reduce lines, select good day/time for you). I let people know specific early voter locations, days and times as well= and had people writing it down.

        Today calling NC I got such an enthusiastic (white) woman for Obama/Biden - she and her husband are voting the first time and they will be doing it early. She says the level of enthusiasm among her friends/family is tremendous. I just asked her to encourage others to vote early as well, as she has 4 young kids, and little time to contribute to the campaign.

        Change is in the air! VA looks good and NC might do it in the next 3 weeks!

        "Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." (T. Paine)

        by dmmteacher on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 10:32:17 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  The importance of who's appointing judges (3+ / 0-)
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    LordMike, Losty, rhodeislanddemocrat

    The en banc 6th Circuit vote was 10-6.  Of the 10, 7 were appointed by George W. Bush.  (The other three were Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton.)

    Of the 6, 5 were Clinton, one G.W. Bush.

  •  Please be accurate (0+ / 0-)

    With respect to the NY Times report that voters are being illegally removed from voter lists, you state that "this seems top to bottom to be a pretty scummy thing for the GOP to be doing." (Update IV)

    Yet the NY Times noted that the problem was not motivated by any party:

    The actions do not seem to be coordinated by one party or the other, nor do they appear to be the result of election officials intentionally breaking rules, but are apparently the result of mistakes in the handling of the registrations and voter files as the states tried to comply with a 2002 federal law, intended to overhaul the way elections are run.

    Since we are always (rightly) pointing out when the traditional media, talking heads, and politicians state falsehoods or inaccuracies, we should take care to be accurate ourselves.

    The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -Thomas Jefferson

    by PeteyP on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:06:30 AM PDT

  •  The sky is falling...not (0+ / 0-)

    First, here in Ohio it is not the DMV; it is the BMV(Bureau of Motor Vehicles).

    Beyond this the idea that these lawsuits(and there were several more filed yesterday) are going to succeed in disenfranchising even tens of thousands of voters is the worst of worst case scenarios.  By the way, for once Dems in Ohio have been preparing for this since the last election.  And with Sec. Brunner on our side this time we will succeed in getting all the votes counted.  If you are an Ohio registered voter you can help, by being an "Observer" on election day.  Go to the Ohio Dem website to volunteer.  

  •  I'm worried here. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Chi, LordMike, Losty

    I moved within the state of Ohio.  The BMV does not re-issue driver's licenses for address changes within the state.  It's supposed to send a paper addendum, which they never did.

    So, the address on my driver's license does not match my current address.  It's updated within the BMV database as well as Social Security and the IRS.

    What do I need to do if my registration is challenged?

    We're in this together you idiot. No wonder this country hasn't improved; it's filled with idiots who wave around "Dem" and "GOP" like they're baseball teams.

    by Dragonchild on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:14:25 AM PDT

  •  Didn't Democrats win Ohio in 2006? (2+ / 0-)
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    Chi, Pannich

    Is the goal to just get people to just say "fuck it, what's the point of voting?!"?

    This would be of grave concern were someone like Ken Blackwell (who wanted to suppress the vote) in charge of things.  But he's not- Democrats are.

    •  Well, yes, that is the GOP goal (0+ / 0-)

      Cast a lot of suspicion on the system and expect that the people who feel least served by it to stay home (i.e. the poor, minorities, young voters.)

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

      by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:26:49 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  DMV (1+ / 0-)
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    The address on my license has been wrong for more than two years now. I should probably get that fixed, but those lines!

    I have nothing to say.

    by calistan on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:29:46 AM PDT

    •  Online? (1+ / 0-)
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      Some states allow you to change it online.

      •  Yep here is the link to change an Ohio BMV addrss (2+ / 0-)
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        Dave925, Losty

        To change your address online, all of the following must be true:
        You have a valid Ohio Driver License or Ohio Identification Card.
        You know your Social Security Number.
        You know your new permanent street address including ZIP code and your county of  residence.
        The Social Security Number on the Driver License matches the Social Security Number on all Vehicle Registrations being changed.
        You know the License Plate Number on each Vehicle Registration to be changed.

        If you are changing your permanent address, the following must be true:
        You know your new permanent street address including ZIP code and your county of residence.

        Government for the people, by the people

        by axel000 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:49:58 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Kerry lost Ohio by 119,000 votes. (0+ / 0-)

    In the official count, anyway.

    -4.25, -4.87 "If the truth were self-evident, there would be no need for eloquence." -- Cicero

    by HeyMikey on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:38:50 AM PDT

  •  GOP does not want people to vote (3+ / 0-)
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    dmmteacher, Dave925, axel000

    unless they are their own people.

    Obama needs a "100 days" of quick action following the election to uproot the scorched earth tactics of the Republicans:

    national voter registration standards--no state gimmicks

    no gerrymandering--tough on all incumbents, including Dems, but "safe" seats have proven to be poison to the governance process.

    criminalize vote suppression tactics---Hans, this means you.

    uproot the "sleeper cell" Regent University law school grads in the DOJ, and disable all Federalist Society members from becoming judges (that is a broad brush, but these guys are dangerous)

  •  Why is it that the Rethuglicans get away with (2+ / 0-)
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    Dave925, axel000

    denying Democrats from casting their votes to steal elections, but Democrats never try this strategy on Rethuglicans, in Red States???  How come we never fight fire with fire?  Maybe because we have ethics, integrity, honesty and fairness as major pillars of our party?  Man.  We must be real chumps!

    Peace and LONG LIVE BARACK OBAMA, the next president of the USA - because Rethuglicans can't get away with stealing this election, no matter how hard they try!!!

  •  mind-boggling (2+ / 0-)
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    Dave925, Losty

    So, they're suggesting that these 600,000 people might be ineligible for some reason? And they have evidence for every single one of them? I think not. They should put up or shut up. The notion that a judge could, with a wave of the hand, simply deny voting rights to such a wide swath of registrants is sickening.

    I'll say this: 600,000 people would make a scarily-big angry mob.

    "They're telling us something we don't understand"
    General Charles de Gaulle, Mai '68

    by subtropolis on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:58:19 AM PDT

    •  who said that happened? (1+ / 0-)
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      As far as I can tell so far, the ruling basically says that Brunner has to screen these applications and tell counties what she finds. As far as I can tell, the number of registrations directly affected by this move is zero.

      I'm not defending the ruling; I'm not saying that no registrations will be affected. I'm just trying to get the story straight.

      •  maybe i missed something then (1+ / 0-)
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        The full 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati upheld a lower court ruling that Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner must use other government records to check thousands of new voters for registration fraud.

        A three-judge panel of the 6th Circuit had disagreed last week, but the full court's ruling overturns that decision.

        It seems to me that the GOP is attempting to block these registrations.

        "They're telling us something we don't understand"
        General Charles de Gaulle, Mai '68

        by subtropolis on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 01:45:50 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  that's not what you said... (0+ / 0-)

          So, they're suggesting that these 600,000 people might be ineligible for some reason? And they have evidence for every single one of them? ... The notion that a judge could, with a wave of the hand, simply deny voting rights to such a wide swath of registrants is sickening.

          No one is claiming to "have evidence for every single one of them"; no judge is simply denying voting rights to all of them. The ruling says (as far as I can tell) that the registrations need to be checked against other records.

          Probably the GOP hopes to block some of them, and probably the GOP hopes to embarrass Brunner.

          •  you've misunderstood my comment (1+ / 0-)
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            The GOP is attempting to put up a roadblock against all of those registrants. What i'm saying is that they should be forced to provide evidence that backs up their claim for all of them individually.

            "They're telling us something we don't understand"
            General Charles de Gaulle, Mai '68

            by subtropolis on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:43:38 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  OK, I see how I misunderstood (0+ / 0-)

              And I guess the point about "a judge" was at least partly hypothetical, since the check in itself doesn't affect anyone's voting rights.

              I think the most likely outcome is to provide more talking points for Lou Dobbs and the Ohio GOP.

  •  How CAN we know who people really are? (1+ / 0-)
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    I understand the suppressing effects of requiring lots of ID and exact name/address matches, and I'm sure voter suppression is the real reason the Repbublicans are doing this.

    HOWEVER, they get a lot of traction on this because they kind of have a point.  How DO we make sure that people who vote are really eligible to vote?  It's not enough in my mind to just say: "it hasn't been a big problem so far."  Something as fundamental as voting should have a little better system than that.

    I sure don't want a national ID card, or any other kind of "papers" that must be produced on demand, but wouldn't it be nice in cases of ID theft or voting or several other critical moments, to have some way to actually prove who you really are? I have no idea how to have one without the other; I'm just saying...

    "I beseech you,... think it possible you may be mistaken." -- Cromwell/Bronowski

    by jockyoung on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:03:09 AM PDT

  •  You can write all you want to the Cleveland (2+ / 0-)
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    Dave925, anastasia p

    Plain Dealer but they've been out front and featuring the ACORN debacle as disturbing electioneering.
    This is the flagship paper for the GOTV effort for all Cleveland wingnuts.
    They have an editorial staff not unlike talk radio and I suspect any such appeals will go straight to the round file.

    •  You said it (2+ / 0-)
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      wobbledon, glassbeadgame

      The Plainly Republican is totally in the tank for John McCain. Their focus on ACORN is disturbing itself, especially as the articles themselves don't show any systemic wrongdoing. They're just full of vague suggestions that something might be wrong (and denials of voter fraud potential even from the BoE's Republicans).

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

      by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:28:34 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Too much of how we vote (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Dave925, axel000

    and register is open to partisan attacks. Something needs to be done, if my franchise is so sacred, how come almost nothing is done to protect it?

    •  We tried to pass the Reform Ohio Now measures (3+ / 0-)
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      Dave925, glassbeadgame, Losty

      in 2005 but they were defeated. It would have removed much of the partisanship from the system, Our Democratic county chair, disgustingly, opposed them, undoubtedly because he smelled Democratic victory and wanted us to have the opportunity to do the same shit to them. I don't approve.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

      by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:30:00 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  No Plain Dealer? (0+ / 0-)

    If you're going to list newspapers to write it seems a bit odd to omit the Plain Dealer. I was under the impression that it's the largest paper in the state.

    "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon

    by Windowdog on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:11:07 AM PDT

  •  Michigan caging ordered stopped (4+ / 0-)

    This just in (Monday):
    Michigan: Ruling on Voting Rights

    A judge has ordered state election officials to stop automatically canceling a voter’s registration if the card is returned as undeliverable.

    Judge Stephen Murphy of Federal District Court in Detroit ruled in a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union and a group representing college students.

    •  Of course this will be appealed... (0+ / 0-) the same 5th district court that killed us yesterday!

      It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)

      by LordMike on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:51:38 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Special Thanks to Anastasia P (3+ / 0-)

    For calming the storm here with facts from the ground... She's a tireless activist, and she knows her stuff.

    If Anastasia says don't panic, listen!  She knows what she's talking about!

    There is no reason to panic... be concerned, yes, but SoS Brunner has been prepared for all this BS and she's not going to sell us out, OK?  She's standing tall against some really nasty characters... We have no reason to believe that she'll back down anytime soon!


    It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)

    by LordMike on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:28:16 AM PDT

    •  Thanks, Mike (2+ / 0-)
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      LordMike, Dave925

      We should always be concerned and vigilant. My worry is that in panicking over every hint of a problem and assuming the worst we'll diminish or bury REAL problems. That in part is what the Republicans hope to do with their claims of "vote" fraud and their attacks on ACORN. They may not stop a single voter, but they'll confuse people as to the source of real problems, which generally is themselves.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14:

      by anastasia p on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:32:37 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  You're more than welcome! (0+ / 0-)

        And you are right, a significant part of the GOP's goal is to have us believe that the vote will be "stolen", so that we are less motivated to GOTV.

        That is one of the reasons why the DNC and the Obama camp isn't broadcasting their antisuppression efforts.... the discussion alone has a suppressive effect...

        It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)

        by LordMike on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:35:36 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  "Orchestrated Confusion." (3+ / 0-)
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    Dave925, glassbeadgame, axel000

    This is designed to create havoc and confusion on election day in hopes of driving down turnout. They may not get to actually purge a single voter from the rolls, but that's not really the intent here. They hope to discourage eligible voters from wanting to wade through all the delays, challenges and road blocks the GOP intends to throw in their way. We need a DETERMINED electorate willing to stay at the polls as long as it takes on November 4th. We also need more voters to avoid the election day chaos by voting early.

    Somewhere, in Alaska, there's a village that's missing an idiot.

    by eclecticbrotha on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:29:32 AM PDT

  •  I don't understand why (0+ / 0-)

    Voter Registration isn't mandatory?  I don't think it should be mandatory to vote, but registering should be mandatory when you turn 18, just like Selective Service.

    I fully admit I may be missing why this could be unconstitutional or infringing on liberties, so if anyone wants to clear it up for me, I'd happily accept reasonable arguments to the contrary.

    It just seems that all these Voter Registration drives cause problems in every election, and gives too much allowance for election fraud and/or voter fraud and/or disenfranchisement.

    Perhaps have a single Federal Registration upon turning 18, and have each county responsible for changes to the Federal Roster.  People would be required to update their registration when they move into an area (if they want to participate in elections), and death certificates issued by the county could be used to purge the rolls.  You should be able to check your personal status ONLINE so that people could visit their local county office if there is an error PRIOR to elections.  Instead of getting people to register, it would simply be a matter of reminding people to check their status on the Online Roster and get any inaccuracies fixed before the election.

    Voter Registration should have nothing to do with Jury Duty Service or any other pools of government.  It should be solely for the purposes of participating in election.  

    I know several friends who refuse to register to vote simply because they believe it means they will be called for Jury Duty in Illinois (which I believe is a myth..Illinois bases it's Jury Duty Roster on both DMV and Voter Registration rolls (although none of my friends that aren't registered to vote have ever been called for Jury Duty..and my husband and I get called every year).  


    "Reality proper has a way of insisting itself upon you." ~Al Gore

    by Troubled on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:30:03 AM PDT

  •  Two Can Play This Game (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Yosef 52, rhodeislanddemocrat

    Time to set up volunteers to challenge every damn Republican voter.

    Every one.


    "Much law, but little justice": Proverb

    by Dave925 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:55:12 AM PDT

  •  I have a question (1+ / 0-)
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    I already voted, and I wrote in the last four digits of my social rather than my driver's license number. (In Ohio, you need one or the other to vote.) My license has my accurate address, but I have no idea what my SS has - I have lived in at least a dozen places in the last ten years.

    If I had known about this prior to voting, I would have put my DL #.

    I have voted at my current address for years (been abroad, in military, etc) so I am assuming that I am ok and not part of the 600,000+.  But what if I HAD just registered?  How does one know what address they have down for SS?  Is it updated when you pay taxes?

    These kinds of stories are why I have had a stomach ache for two weeks now, and it isn't going to go away until Obama wins on Election Day.

  •  Obama loses Ohio, wins election... (3+ / 0-)
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    Losty, axel000, rhodeislanddemocrat

    Obama loses Ohio, wins election... 79.37 percent

    Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough. - Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by number six on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 10:03:18 AM PDT

  •  AAAAHHHHH! The AP news story about ACORN (0+ / 0-)

    my local sports radio program is playing an AP report about "obama's ties to voter fraud and ACORN"!  

    Do they mention other GOP voter support???  Nothing! Imagine that!  



    THIS IS THE BEST FILM I've seen on the manipulation of elections.  It covers it all...and in a clear, compelling, organized way.  Can't urge you all enough to watch it and pass it on.  

    Forewarned is fore-armed.

  •  WHY the Surprise? (0+ / 0-)

    since the obvious ripoff of democratic voters at the 2004 election, I've been asking what the democratic party intends to do to prevent a similar ripoff in 2008?

    NO response.

    "Cigna cannot decide who is going to live and who is going to die." -- Nataline's mother

    by Superpole on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 10:35:11 AM PDT

  •  iOhio is just making sure the Sig's are valid (0+ / 0-)

    y'know, with all the acorn fraud

  •  Up to 200k of these new voters could face problem (1+ / 0-)
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    Though it seems that Brunner will do her best to stop the demand that they all use provisional ballots, which could eliminate 20% or more of them!

    Since Jan. 1, Ohio has 666,000 newly registered or updated voters -- all of whom fall under scrutiny by this latest court ruling. Brunner said an initial review found that at least 200,000 of them might have mismatched information. Once the office identifies all of the mismatched voters, Brunner will send the list to the county boards of election where the individuals have registered.

    But state Republican Party Chairman Bob Bennett said Brunner's decision to not implement the verification system sooner without the court forcing her to do so has cost county boards of election valuable time reining in examples of fraud.

    "Unfortunately, her delay in providing this matching system leaves little time for election officials to act on questionable registrations," Bennett said in a statement. "Secretary Brunner should immediately issue a new directive providing clear guidance on how the boards should handle the mismatched voter data."

    Between the secretary's office and the county boards, Brunner said, efforts will be made to notify the voters of the discrepancy and urge them to update their information. Brunner will also follow that up with a directive to the counties urging them not to force people to vote provisionally. She said that could set up yet another Republican challenge, but that federal law does not require a person with mismatched information to vote provisionally, as opposed to getting a regular ballot.

    Provisional ballot voting is often the most problematic and confusing form of voting. A Plain Dealer review found that 20 percent of the provisional ballots cast statewide for this year's Republican and Democratic presidential primaries were rejected because some part of the complicated process was not properly followed and thus the person's vote was not counted.

    01-20-09: THE END OF AN ERROR

    by kimoconnor on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:20:45 AM PDT

    •  where is the party? (0+ / 0-)

      I love that the republicans turned it around to make it seem that it was her error.  and once again I must ask, where is your precious party? the one that let this same thing happen in 2000? and in 2004? I was hoping that a dem who had been in the mix in Chicago politics would have been able to overcome this. let's hope so.

  •  When Is IRAQ Going To Bring Their "FInger Ink" (0+ / 0-)

    over here and help US with OUR voting?

    Ironies of Ironies!!

    Oh wait. We have nothing but LIBERAL REPORTERS working in a LIBERAL MEDIA here in America!! How could I have forgotten that?

    by hopalong on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:41:56 AM PDT

  •  Senator Boinovich is now calling on the DOJ... (0+ / 0-) "help" Brunner.... yeah right!

    Give him a call and ask where was he in 2004?

    (202) 224-3353

    Full story:

    It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)

    by LordMike on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:44:41 AM PDT

  •  Show this to the 'voter fraud' whiners (2+ / 0-)
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    Yosef 52, Losty

    The National Conference of State Legislatures has a helpful page with information about identification requirements for voting.  The very first paragraph should destroy all bullshit efforts to conflate voter registration fraud with voter fraud:

    First-Time Voters
    The federal Help America Vote Act mandates that all states require identification from first-time voters who registered to vote by mail and did not provide verification of their identification with their mail-in voter registration.

    In order to vote for the first time with a new registration you either have to produce valid ID at the polling place, or you have to have mailed in (with your registration)a copy of valid ID.

    It doesn't matter how many registrations have Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck written on them.  When you show up to vote with a new registration you must produce identification that establishes YOU as the person registered.  The bad voter registration cards are a headache for state workers, no doubt, but they're not going to = invalid votes at the polls.  The ID requirement precludes it.

    "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -Ghandi

    by Triscula on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:52:27 AM PDT

  •  It's the same old republican strategy-- (0+ / 0-)

    if they can't win, steal, cheat, lie and take the victory away at any cost; that is why this party is dying because many many young people refuse to have anything to do with a party of tired, old goats.

    When power leads man toward arrogance, poetry reminds him of his limitations. JFK

    by yowsta on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 12:03:54 PM PDT

  •  My friend Brian trusted the DMV once (1+ / 0-)
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    Now his fist name is "Brain" on his driver's license.
  •  This is RIOT bait... (1+ / 0-)
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    Yosef 52

    I guarantee you if this nonsense doesn't cease & desist & they actually come anywhere near succeeding @ throwing that # of voters off the roles, there will be hell to pay. Beyond that if they succeed every person in Ohio will know exactly what went down & who to blame. You think the backlash over Ayers is hell for Republicans??? This would galvanize the entire population of this Country against these frauds...

    Peace. Chap"Hussein"man

    by Chapman on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 12:26:41 PM PDT

  •  What is Obama and the Democratic Party doing? (0+ / 0-)

    I don't have time to read 500 comments so this may have already been said.  What do you mean "WE".  As in what are "WE" doing.  I suppose it's good to be concerned but what I want to know is how the campaign and the party are fighting this and how hard.  If by "WE" you do mean the party then WE need to be doing a full f'ing court press now.  Not after the election.  

    "Vote Your Hopes Not Your Fears."

    by YellerDog on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 12:54:04 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for raising this. (0+ / 0-)

    With wall-to-wall Fox coverage of bullshit "voter fraud", ACORN head-faking, etc., washing over this crucial issue of voter purging and disenfranchisement, you'd think a DAILY KOS FRONT PAGER WOULD ADDRESS IT.

  •  Brunner: 200,000 mismatches! (2+ / 0-)
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    Yosef 52, Losty

    Not good... although in the comments with the Cuyahoga Country BOE, it seems that only if you've registered in the last 30 days should it be a problem.

    That's this county, though...

    The fight is not over, but it will be up to the campaign to make sure that everyone is informed of how to protect themselves... I'm sure that they will do a bangup job.

    As long as you have a utility bill or some form of ID, you should be's important to make sure that the info is sent out to our voters....

    NOT THIS TIME! Should be our creed!

    It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)

    by LordMike on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 01:24:12 PM PDT

  •  They are using ACORN to dtsitract the public from (0+ / 0-)

    This stuff.  When we start hitting on this they'll play the old equivalency game that the tradmed is so effective at filtering (yes, this was a joke).

    "you have the right to your own opinion. You do not have the right to your own facts" -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    by SteveP on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 01:30:56 PM PDT

  •  And I am misspelling "distract" to distract...n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    "you have the right to your own opinion. You do not have the right to your own facts" -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    by SteveP on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 01:32:02 PM PDT

  •  Here is a countermeasure that's known to work (0+ / 0-)

    against a rigged election:

    "We will not give up until we win."

    Note what cops were doing at 2:26 - 2:30.

    And this:

    Around 1:50, you hear the chant "Razom nas bohato.  Nas ne podolati."  = "Together we are many.  We cannot be defeated."

    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
    -- George Orwell

    by USexpat Ukraine on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 03:30:22 PM PDT

  •  Gonna take lots of detergent and sunshine to (1+ / 0-)
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    remove the gop stench from Ohio politics, and from national politics. And to think students at my alma mater, Kenyon College, waited in the longest lines in Ohio history in 2004, the year of the massive vote theft from that year's presidential election winner, John Kerry. Thank you GOP state chair and nominal Sec'y of State Kenneth "I'm the Katherine Harris of Ohio" Blackwell.

    The diarist is correct in asserting that we need to write Ohio papers, but it seems even more important that those of us with friends/family in Ohio prevail upon them to contact their state/federal representatives and push back hard against the gooper b.s. And, isn't there a federal 90 day moratorium against voter purges within 90 days of the election date? Why doesn't this apply in the land of OZ Ohio?

    They've decided they can't win on the merits of their political platform, so they'll just go new-kuoo-lar on the political process itself.

    Lovely people.

  •  Ohio Needs Lawyers And Law Students On Nov. 4! (0+ / 0-)

    As you are probably aware, the Obama Campaign's Counsel for Change program needs to recruit as many lawyers, law students and experienced election protection volunteers as possible to be outside poll observers at the polls on Election Day.  Volunteers are needed in every state, even "safe" states, to help down ticket progressive candidates.  

    My 81 year old mother (an experienced election protection worker) and I are driving to Ohio to help out (we both worked through Election Protection in Arizona in 2004, and were appalled at what we saw).  

    Anyway, following is the info we just received from the folks in Ohio.  (Sorry for the long post, but every time I mention this, people want the details ....)

    If you want to sign up to do voter protection work in a different state, you can do so here.

    This work is absolutely crucial for our success on November 4th!  If you are a lawyer, a law student or an experienced election monitor, PLEASE SIGN UP!  And PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD!

    Thank you for volunteering on Election Day!  

    As you well know, every contribution matters to this vital effort of preserving the integrity of the voting process and making sure every vote counts.  Therefore, the Campaign for Change has assigned you to serve as an Outside Poll Observer in the Cleveland, Ohio area (Cuyahoga County).

    We are thrilled to have you as part of the Cuyahoga County Voter Protection team!  Because you might have some questions about the process, we have provided the following information, which we hope will be helpful to you.

    What is an Outside Observer?

    Outside Observers are our eyes and ears outside of the polls.  They will fold into our larger Voter Protection structure and monitor polling places from the outside to ensure that election laws are being followed.  They will work cooperatively and calmly to deter any efforts to intimidate voters or obstruct the voting process. Observers will assist voters with questions about their rights, and they will also help find common-sense solutions to problems that arise on Election Day, including long lines, questions about whether a voter is at the correct polling location, and other issues that may jeopardize any voter's right to cast a ballot.  To the extent issues cannot be resolved in short order and without complication on the ground, Observers will communicate up the chain to their Regional Supervisor for additional assistance.  In a state plagued by long lines and voter intimidation efforts in 2004, a state that John Kerry lost by an average of nine votes per precinct, Observers can make the critical difference in delivering this election for Barack Obama on November 4.

    When should I arrive?

    In order to be an Outside Poll Observer, you must attend a mandatory training session.  The training sessions are currently scheduled to be held between October 25 – November 2 and are expected to last 1-2 hours.  (You will receive another email in a week or so with more information on training locations and times.)  The currently-scheduled final training session will be held the afternoon of November 2, so you must arrive in the Cleveland area before 12 noon in order to participate in the voter protection program.

    You must also commit to staying at your assigned poll site until the polls close on Election Day.  Although polls in Ohio are scheduled to close at 7:30 pm, they may remain open later by court order.  As recently as 2006, the polls remained open until 11 pm.  Therefore, we are asking that Outside Observers plan to leave Cuyahoga County on November 5 – the day after Election Day.

    Do I need a car?

    We understand that some people will not be traveling to Ohio by car.  Unfortunately, we are unable to coordinate carpools for volunteers coming from out of state.  Because public transportation is not widespread, access to a car is necessary while you are here.

    Where can I stay?

    Unfortunately, we are also unable to arrange housing for Observers.  However, the Campaign for Change has been able to obtain blocks of rooms at a local Ramada Inn for discounted rates, subject to availability.  Inform the reservations desk that you are volunteering with the Campaign for Change.

    Ramada Inn Cleveland Airport South
    7233 Engle Road
    Middleburg Heights, OH 44130
    Phone: (440) 243 – 2277; Fax: (440) 243 – 9852
    Rate: $49/night (1-4 guests per room)

    Help recruit others!

    We are also asking volunteers to sign up as Voter Protection Captains by recruiting twenty or more lawyers/law students for our voter protection effort.  In a year that will likely see unprecedented turnout, we can't afford to let our guard down – the stakes could not be higher.  This election has to be different.  If you are interested in being a Voter Protection Captain, please e-mail  And, for your convenience, we have drafted an e-mail (which you can find at the bottom of this message) that you can cut and paste into a new e-mail and send to every lawyer and law student you know.

    Finally, and most importantly, don't forget to vote before Election Day!

    Please be on the look-out for future communications from us.  We will be back in touch as soon as we have more information, so please DO NOT REPLY to this email unless you cannot come to Cuyahoga.

    Thank you again for volunteering!

    With warm regards,

    The Cuyahoga County Voter Protection Team
    Obama Ohio Campaign for Change


    Once again, Ohio is a battleground state that could decide the next president. The stakes couldn't be higher.  Once again, the Republican Party is pursuing 2004-style tactics in Ohio. They've already filed frivolous lawsuits aimed at making it harder for voters to register and vote.  

    Help protect voter rights and serve as a member of the Voter Protection Team:

    1. Volunteer on Election Day!  Go to to sign up to help our voter protection team on November 4. To ensure you can participate in one of the mandatory training sessions, we ask that you please arrive between Thursday, October 30 and Sunday, November 2.  If you are unable to attend one of the Voter Protection training sessions, you can of course still assist the Campaign's Field team with the Get Out the Vote effort, but you will not be able to serve as a poll observer on Election Day.
    1. Recruit others!  Serve as a Voter Protection Captain - recruit twenty or more lawyers/law students for our voter protection efforts. E-mail

    P.S. Spread the word to every lawyer and law student you know!  If you have already signed up for another battleground state, it is important that you go there.


    There is a destiny which makes us brothers; none goes his way alone. All that we send into the lives of others comes back into our own. Edwin Markham

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