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Friday marks six months since the House Judiciary Committee moved to hold White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers in contempt of Congress for refusing to respond to the committee's subpoenas.

It's also roughly one and a half years since Nancy Pelosi told the world that the most important thing about winning back the majority in the House could be expressed in two words: subpoena power.

In July, they said they needed to do the FISA bill, but would get to the contempt issue right away when they got back in September. But September was Magical September, and they said they needed to deal with Petraeus, and they'd surely get to it in October. In October, they said they had to do appropriations, and they'd surely deal with it in November. In November, it was SCHIP, but they'd definitely do it before the first session adjourned. Then in December, they adjourned, saying it'd be taken up within the first couple weeks of the second session.

And now? Well...

"Right now, we’re focused on working in a bipartisan fashion on [the] stimulus," said House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.), indicating that the contempt vote is not expected for weeks, depending on how quickly the stimulus package moves.

Keep in mind that these are subpoenas issued in the probe into the political firing of the U.S. Attorneys around the country, and the use by the White House of other U.S. Attorneys to conduct politically targeted prosecutions and investigations of their bogus charges of "voter fraud" against Democrats. It's the trumped-up fears of such alleged fraud that in turn have led the DOJ, in conjunction with state and local Republican parties, to conduct the racially targeted purges of voter rolls around the country -- purges that are intended to put Democrats at a distinct disadvantage at the polls by suppressing their ability to cast ballots on election day.

I don't know if any of you have noticed, but we're actually kind of heading into another presidential election this year.

Does anybody feel like we've gotten to the bottom of what the Republicans and the Bush DOJ has been up to on this score? Does anybody feel like we've really gotten a handle on rooting out the people and policies responsible?

Does anybody think it might, you know, maybe be important for 2008?

Because it actually is 2008, you see.

Pelosi told TIME, "Anybody who's ever dealt with me knows not to mess with me."

Psst. Don't look now, but I think they're messing with you.

So here we are, with the subpoenas still unenforced in the case that was supposed to crack the "administration's" engineering of bogus "voter fraud" allegations against Democrats immediately preceding critical elections wide open, and now witnessing... the "administration" engineering bogus "voter fraud" allegations against Democrats immediately preceding a critical election.

What ever happened to those bipartisan brownie points were were supposed to have earned with the stimulus package that, like, totally saved the economy? Or for that matter, from passing the $700 billion bailout package that, like, totally saved it from the saving we gave it last time?

For abandoning our attempts to end the war rather than be accused of "defunding the troops?"

For abandoning our attempts to stop retroactive immunity for FISA lawbreaking by the telecom companies (lest they not assist perverts in the NSA in passing around digital files of phone sex calls from soldiers in Iraq to their significant others)?

For abandoning the decades-old commitment to the protection of our shorelines in exchange for some nebulous roll of the dice on maybe getting a couple bucketsfull of oil in ten years?

Where? Where are our brownie points? Where's the dry powder dividend here?

What did we do with all the "oxygen" we decided not to "suck up" with this issue and related issues of accountability?

With the possibility of some significant gains in the House this year, we may be looking at a fairly sizable freshman class. Now, as everyone knows, it's these first term Members of Congress who are the most vulnerable in the next election, which is why it's typically the instinct of the leadership to protect them as much as possible. Combine that with the old (and mostly true) saw about how the party in the White House tends to lose seats in Congress in mid-term elections, the leadership could really find itself on edge when it comes to thoughts of maintaining or solidifying any gains from 2008.

Does anybody get the sense that right after the election might not be "the right time" to tackle these still outstanding issues, lest we lose the momentum for our agenda of change? And does anybody get the sense that after waiting a little bit, heading into the 2010 elections  won't be "the right time" either, lest we endanger the majority that enabled us not to add correcting the mistakes of the past to our agenda of change earlier in the year?

No, you should by no means let these concerns keep you from hitting the streets to win in November. But assuming you do and you win, these concerns should keep you from settling back in on the couch when we're done.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:30 PM PDT.

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  •  Ballots are out in Oregon -- VOTE ! VOTE! VOTE ! (6+ / 0-)

    Defeat Smith the fake Democrat!

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:32:07 PM PDT

  •  Donating $35 per month to ACORN (6+ / 0-)

    starting today.

    ACORN to me has graduated to ACLU level in the pantheon of greatest organizations in the country.

    I want them to send me a card or something but i dont know if they do that.  I want to be a card carrying member of ACORN.

  •  And then what? (7+ / 0-)

    When do we get to demand accountability?  And how do we enforce it?

    I've been donating and phonebanking, but right now I am at a loss as to what I have to do to actually get our democracy back.  So what is the plan for after November?

  •  After electing Obama (26+ / 0-)

    ...our next order of business needs to be replacing our Leadership in the House and Senate

    Today's Halloween Movie Viewing: Them! (1954)

    by jds1978 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:34:53 PM PDT

    •  Maybe this will help it along: Seems like the (1+ / 0-)
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      crowd at McCain's rally was pretty hostile to the press people with the exception of the Fox new crew.  Crowd was shouting Fox, Fox.

      Moderation in all things-NOT

      by Julie Gulden on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:37:50 PM PDT

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    •  Exactly.... (3+ / 0-)
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      Viceroy, trinite, nathguy

      Worry about getting Obama elected before you start whining about things that haven't even happened yet. Geez louise...

      •  Sigh. (12+ / 0-)

        Always one in every crowd who thinks nobody else can possibly think of more than one thing at once.

        •  Make a list. (3+ / 0-)
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          Little Red Hen, phonegery, jds1978

          I have issues. I can't deal with it all. In the last months I've been thinking along the lines of what do I want done if Obama gets in the White House. So, I know where to concentrate my energy.

          We need to keep the netroots and grasroots active. There need to be action alerts. We don't dare get quiet.  

          Well, that is a start.

          I might be poor,but Obama will protect my vote.

          by redtex on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:55:28 PM PDT

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        •  Whatever (1+ / 0-)
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          that's not what I said. We could do both things at once but I don't think that a good idea. The concentration needs to be on the election that is taking place within 17 days.

          Also most of your diary was telling people to worry about stuff that has not happened yet. I just don't find it very constructive.

          •  Yes. (0+ / 0-)

            Let's have no plans or vision for what to do after the election. Wonderful thinking.

            •  What are you talking about? (1+ / 0-)
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              You have no plan or vision in the OP!!! All you did was rant about how bad the congress and Nancy Pelosi was, and then basically say, what if it happens again under Obama?

              Where is the plan or vision? All I see is you ranting. Sorry. When I made a diary that was a rant on here they told me it wasn't a diary. I don't see how this is any different.

              •  Search my stories... (0+ / 0-)

                and "subpoena power" and/or "contempt of Congress."

                I've been writing about it for two years.

                But I guess you just like to spew, so you don't know that.

                •  Please explain how... (0+ / 0-)

                  the stimulus package was bad policy.

                  "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

                  by Viceroy on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:51:21 PM PDT

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                  •  Please explain where... (1+ / 0-)
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                    Kentucky DeanDemocrat

                    I say that.

                    I merely mention that it was used as an excuse not to address the central issue of the story, that being the enforcement of Congressional subpoenas in an investigation of activities directly related to the situation we now find ourselves in with ACORN.

                    •  I'm not surprised... (0+ / 0-)

                      that you choose not to address direct questions.  I'll remember that the next time you post something.

                      "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

                      by Viceroy on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 05:15:34 PM PDT

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                      •  I'm not sure what you're asking. (0+ / 0-)

                        You're asking me to explain something I didn't say?

                        The relative wisdom of the substance of the stimulus package doesn't enter into it. The only relevant part is that it was used as occasion to deflect dealing with the subpoenas.

                        It could well have been brilliant (though it didn't exactly save the world, long term, did it?), but that doesn't actually help enforce the subpoenas, which is the issue I'm talking about.

                        Whether genius or not, these pieces of legislation each supplanted this one long-term, underlying issue, and it should surprise no one that we're still dealing with it.

                        You remember whatever you like. I'll remember that you can't differentiate between things I actually said and things you wanted me to say simply because you feel more comfortable debating them. You're not the only one with a memory.

                        •  I'm quite sure that you don't understand... (0+ / 0-)

                          I asked a direct question - based on your explicit statement that the stimulus package (sarcasm) "like, totally, saved the economy" - as to your opinion on the stimulus package, which was overwhelmingly supported by Democrats.  You chose not to answer and instead insulted me (like you have done to others).

                          Please provide a link to anything regarding your assumption of supposed "brownie points."  Please provide a link to anyone that ever claimed that the stimulus package was designed to "save the economy."

                          You could have responded politely.  You could have actually answered my question.  But you didn't.  And it appears that you won't.

                          The stimulus package, in my view, was good policy and it contained a number of provisions which Dems have supported.  Your sarcastic putdown notwithstanding, the Congressional Democrats, in my view, acted in the interests of our country in enacting it.  Just because you want to lambaste the Dems on subpoenas does not mean that they got the stimulus package wrong.  In my view, you should be more careful in our analogies and you should not insult kossacks without compunction.

                          "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

                          by Viceroy on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 05:35:29 PM PDT

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                          •  I may be stupid (0+ / 0-)

                            but I understand what he is saying. There is an old saying here on Kos, in Texas "even a blind democrat can find an excuse to not deal with issues that he can't find the backbone to face." OK, I guess you know I made that up. Pretty observant of you.

                            The United States has got some of the dumbest people in the world. I want you to know that we know that. Ted Turner

                            by Klick2con10ue on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 06:54:24 PM PDT

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                          •  What is he saying about the stimulus package? (0+ / 0-)

                            I sure don't get it.  He certainly implies that it was insufficient and that many Dems apparently claimed that it would "save" the economy; even though he refuses to provide links or any other sort of explanation.

                            The stimulus package included an increase in the minimum wage, tax rebates, unemployment compensation, as well as other spending, including flood control and hurricane relief.  These are things that Democrats traditionally support, but in the diarist's zeal to slam the Dem leadership, these things can now only be referred to sarcastically as though they were enacted merely as an adjunct to the subpoena issue.

                            Do you support increasing the minimum wage?  Do you support hurricane relief??  Do you support flood control?  It isn't clear whatsoever what the diarist supports; other than slamming the Congressional Dems on the eve of an election.

                            If the diarist had just commented on the subpoena issue, I would have agreed.  But, instead, he felt the need to bring up other issues that, at best, are only tangentially relevant.  And he also accuses kossacks of "spewing" amongst many many other insults - you really should read the whole thread to get an idea of his modus operandi.

                            I'm originally from Texas - most of my fellow Texans do not behave as this diarist does.  And most have the sense not to slam their candidates two weeks before a critical election.

                            "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

                            by Viceroy on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 11:31:40 PM PDT

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                          •  Duh, all around. (0+ / 0-)

                            How's the economy doing? And are we now, chronologically speaking, living in times before or after the stimulus package was passed?

                            Yes, we all know that the economy is in the shitter, and the stimulus has been passed.

                            So... did the stimulus save the economy or not?

                            Please provide a link to the brownie points? It's in the post. Hoyer wanted to pass the stimulus in a bipartisan fashion. Why? So he could get kicked in the nuts?

                            Please provide links to anyone claiming the stimulus was designed to save the economy? Uhhh... what do you think was supposed to be "stimulated" by it? Your gums?

                            Your whole griping comment is off the mark entirely. Not only do I not pass on the substance of the stimulus, I don't need to. It's entirely separate from my point. I'm even willing to grant for the sake of argument that it was brilliant and did great things for the economy, but of course that doesn't matter to you, because you won't take yes for an answer.

                            This. Post. Is. Not. About. The. Stimulus. Package.

                            Open your head and let it in.

                            In my view, you don't know enough about what analogies are to recognize that there wasn't even an analogy made in this post, let alone lecture me on how to make them.

                          •  Thanks for more insults! (0+ / 0-)

                            Thanks for the links!  Thanks for the polite response!  Thanks for answering a direct question!

                            In my view, you are the very worst front pager I have read  - two weeks before the most important election in our lives, you somehow feel the need to slam Dems and imply that increasing the minimum wage, extending unemployment benefits and providing tax rebates are counter-productive.

                            You clearly do not possess the capacity to behave in a civil fashion nor do you understand how to post something without constant and steady insults.

                            Have a nice day!

                            "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

                            by Viceroy on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 11:17:40 PM PDT

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    •  we could challenge Pelosi in the primary. (6+ / 0-)

      run someone who will beat her at home.

      George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10

      by nathguy on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:45:56 PM PDT

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      •  Cindy Sheehan n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        •  Nancy Pelosi's Family Has, According To Estimates (2+ / 0-)
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          nathguy, jds1978

          $92 million dollars and, thanks to FISA, the bank bailouts, etc. etc. the support of countless lobbyists. Speaker Pelosi also 'brings home the pork' to her district, which is why anyone who had a brain and took seriously the Democratic Party 'promise' in 2006 about ridding Washington of earmarks should have had their head examined post haste.

          Throwing Cindy Sheehan at that would be the classic case of David versus Goliath. Not saying it couldn't be done, just highly unlikely in my opinion.

          <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

          by superscalar on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:41:57 PM PDT

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    •  The one SINGLE area I agree with Mccain on-- (3+ / 0-)
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      phonegery, moosely2006, jds1978

      Pelosi needs to go!!!!

      The White House will be The People's House--B.Obama

      by Phil S 33 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:50:49 PM PDT

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  •  Kinda make ya think the democrats... (6+ / 0-)

    like takin' it in the ass as much as the republicans like givin' it up the ass.

    •  Of course they (Dems) don't think of it (3+ / 0-)
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      phonegery, Stanz, Klick2con10ue

      that way. And they're certainly not feeling it that way (feeling that they're being beat up on and punked, etc).

      What these do-nothing, no-fighting Dems are interested in is protecting their comfy status quo, and that's it. See, since they are hurting personally, they don't sense the real crisis. They're just generally happy the way things are, so why rock the boats.

      Our mission is to start rocking the hell out of their boat.

  •  Just more proof (8+ / 1-)

    that Pelosi's hurting the cause and needs to be kicked to the curb ASAP.

  •  OT but interesting (2+ / 0-)
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    annan, Oaktown Girl

    McCain family's ancestral slave ownership and black relatives/slave decesendants. Totally ripped off Michael Moore's site. Just a twist on an already crazy election season:

    by joojooluv on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:38:34 PM PDT

    •  Whoa. Fascinating article. Deserves a diary. (0+ / 0-)

      Sen. John McCain’s great, great grandfather, William Alexander McCain (1812-1863), fought for the Confederacy and owned a 2,000-acre plantation named Waverly in Teoc. The family dealt in the slave trade, and, according to official records, held at least 52 slaves on the family’s plantation. The enslaved Africans were likely used as servants, for labor, and for breeding more slaves.

      William McCain’s son, and Sen. John McCain’s great grandfather, John Sidney McCain (1851-1934), eventually assumed the duty of running the family’s plantation.

      That's not some distant cousin, but John McCain's namesake, his grandfather.

      And McCain's campaign asked the cousins not to speak to the press about this.

      W.A. "Bill" McCain IV, a white McCain cousin, and his wife Edwina, are the current owners of the land. Both told the South Florida Times that they attend the reunions. They also said the McCain campaign had asked them not to speak to the media about the reunions, or about why the senator has never acknowledged the family gatherings.


      "Let us not look back to the past with anger, nor towards the future with fear, but look around with awareness." James Thurber

      by annan on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:59:55 PM PDT

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  •  Bipartisanship? (5+ / 0-)

    Not bloody likely.

    The only way to progress as a nation is to make the Republican party politically irrelevant.

    And that's what we will force our leaders to do in 2009.

  •  Thanks to the Dem's and their (8+ / 0-)

    repeated capitulations on everything from FISA to failure to enforce their own subpoena's I have given up on the 110th congress. They are the most feckless, spineless and unprincipled pack of politicians I have ever seen.

    Perhaps the next congress will actually possess some intestinal fortitude. Until then, I remain a registered independent. The only thing more detestable than the dems in this congress are the repubs. But at least they know how to game the system to their advantage even when in the minority.

    With leaders like Bush and Pelosi, who needs enemies?

    by SpiffPeters on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:39:20 PM PDT

    •  Obama is in the senate... (0+ / 0-)

      So yeah what was your point? Don't hail Obama and trash Pelosi. It's a bit hypocritical.

      •  why not? they're two different people. n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Nemo iudex in sua causa. -5.88,-7.90

        by Jurassic Game Warden on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:53:49 PM PDT

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        •  WEll then please explain to me (0+ / 0-)

          Why this all is usually directed at Pelosi? Maybe there is something I don't know. I am a bit naive about this stuff but my mom does not seem to think it should all rest on her shoulders.

          •  Who said the most important thing... (3+ / 0-)

            about the 2006 elections was regaining subpoena power?

            I mean, we can't pretend it was someone else who said it, can we?

            And so what happened to that subpoena power? Where did it go?

            Do I think its disappearance is her fault? No, I don't. But whose fault is it that she said she thought subpoena power would fix everything, when the rest of us all knew already that subpoena power was dependent on having the political will to enforce it, and that they didn't have it?

          •  Pelosi controls floor votes, among other things (2+ / 0-)


            It's not particularly democratic, but it's the way the House functions (regardless of who's Speaker). That's why it's important that a progressive be Speaker, instead of Pelosi.

            Remember when Newt Gingrich was Speaker? He threatened to shut government down, quite literally. He had that power, because nothing could come to a vote on the floor of the House without his consent. Nancy Pelosi has that power, too. Unfortunately, Pelosi has pandered to Bush/Cheney on many important decisions.

            Nancy Pelosi carries an enormous burden of culpability for numerous fuck-ups in the House of Representatives under her leadership. That's why she has to go.


            Nancy Pelosi is your mom?

            Nemo iudex in sua causa. -5.88,-7.90

            by Jurassic Game Warden on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 05:00:48 PM PDT

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      •  Democratic leadership in the congress (1+ / 0-)
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        has been ineffective.

        They have been consistently out maneuvered procedurally. Their utter collapse on the FISA bill was the final straw for me.

        I fail to see how the 110th congress has been more effective in advancing the democratic agenda than the repubs. Even with the majority the dems victories are far and few.

        This executive administration was given the green light to do whatever they want because 'impeachment was off the table'. These guys don't respect the law and Pelosi told them they would not be held to account.

        With leaders like Bush and Pelosi, who needs enemies?

        by SpiffPeters on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 05:28:35 PM PDT

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    •  I wish I could flame you, but... (1+ / 0-)
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      I wish you were wrong. The myriad failure of anyone to support the Constitution is shocking and frightening, other than Kucinich, Paul, and a few other "fringe" members.
      But this is end-of-Empire times. There will need to be a total collapse before we see real reform. Our country is petrified by phantoms: ACORN, Al Queda, "Socialism," "Big Government" when the wolves are at the door.  As long as we spend more than 600B on defense, NOTHING will happen. Have you heard one candidate talk about reducing the military budget? 70% of Americans will need to not be able to afford healthcare before that system is inevitably socialized. Can you believe McCain is pumping FREE MARKETS to save the healthcare system after the banking implosion? Are WE FUCKING STUPID? DUH!

      •  Yes, And We Will Remain So (3+ / 0-)


        For as long as we continue to blame the Republican Party for the sum total of our woes.

        It seems to me sometimes that I am the only one who can remember back to the promises of 2004/2005 if we only return the Democratic Party to the majority in Congress.

        Like the promise to end earmarks in Washington because they were at the core of the 'culture of corruption', the promise to do away with K Street, the promise to enact meaningful ethics reform, the promise to end the war in Iraq, etc., etc. -- none of which has been done -- and none of which I suspect will be done anytime soon.

        <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

        by superscalar on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:57:22 PM PDT

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        •  I am hoping (1+ / 0-)
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          I think everyone remembers. But we are between a rock and a hard place. Obama has saved the soul of his Party, and has inspired millions to give it another chance. "The times they are a changin'"
          I believe that if Obama does anything as a first step, he will, by definition, need to drastically curtail lobbyist influence in Washington. Without that, there is no second step, and of all the pols out there, I believe he is best situated to do it. He has definitively proven that the money is out there from the grassroots without the need for PAC money. If he can achieve that, the rest, as they say, is easy (hyperbole alert). However, if and when he tries it, they will not go down easy - it will definitely come to blows, and that is why there needs to be a crushing defeat of the Republicans, not because the Dems are holy, but to get the message out that there is a change in sentiment from the public.

    •  CONGRESSIONAL DISAPPROVALS as bad as BUSH (0+ / 0-)

      BECAUSE they haven't done a damn thing about Bush

      Reid shut down the Senate BEFORE the 2006 elections over the Iraq Intelligence Report... it FINALLY came out - lies lies lies got us into war and NOTHING.

      Pelosi's sat on supoenaes for HOW long?  No contempt of Congress charges....

      WTF is with these people?

      OR - are current Dem leaders just as complicit in all this and don't want us finding out?

      There had better be som REAL changes in DC come 2009 and REAL investigations and ACCOUNTABILITY - or you're going to have an OPEN revolt and revolution....

      the voters are going for Obama BECAUSE they are FED UP.


      The Dems are OUT OF EXCUSES.

    •  Congress Is The Leadership (0+ / 0-)

      Perhaps the next congress will actually possess some intestinal fortitude

      The leadership will not change, just as the leadership has not changed for quite a long time now.

      Most of these people, thanks to the gerrymandering of Congressional districts and multi-million dollar campaign funds, run unopposed in their districts election after election.

      <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

      by superscalar on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:51:00 PM PDT

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  •  Come now.... (4+ / 0-)

    ...why should Democrats beholden to corporate campaign contributors sacrifice their Republican scapegoats to the flames of public opinion?

  •  Either Progressives are gutless fools (8+ / 0-)

    or, come the day after the election, we start fighting back on the Democrat-in-Republican clothing strategy of the Dem leadership truism,

    "Where are they going to go?"

    That would mean a complete boycott of any aid to the Democratic Party. No money, no volunteers, no nothing, unless we see some things go our way.

    High on that list, imo, would be 1) End corporate money in politics--citizens only. 2) Get the criminals actions exposed and indicted. All of them, including the war.

    If we don't hurt them, they ain't doing anything we need.

    And Pelosi/Hoyer/Reid clique MUST be removed from their positions.

    Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

    by Jim P on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:39:38 PM PDT

  •  YPM - Young Political Major (7+ / 0-)

    GOP Voter Register Contractor

    Surge in voter registration highlights electoral fraud

    Tiffany Hofstetter is a student at California State University Northridge and a registered Democrat. But when she received her 2008 primary election absentee ballot while out of state, she was dismayed to find that she had been sent a Republican ballot.

    "I didn't have time to get a new ballot, so my vote didn't count in the primary," Hofstetter said.

    When she investigated with the county registrar's office, she found that her party affiliation had been switched.

    "But when I looked at the registration form they had on file, it had all this wrong information," Hofstetter said. "My birth place was wrong, the last four digits of my Social Security number were wrong and the signature wasn't mine. Someone else had filed this registration form in my name."

    The form had been filed by a voter registration organization called YPM, which stands for Young Political Major. Any time a voter reregisters with the county, whether because of an address change or a move to new party affiliation, the registrar's office is obligated by law to send out a notification to the registered voter. Hofstetter never received such notification and filed a complaint with the Secretary of State's office.

    Meanwhile, YPM activities have been brought under scrutiny in Riverside and San Bernardino counties. San Bernardino County Democrats recently demanded an investigation by the local district attorney when they discovered in a poll that 27 of 33 formerly registered Democrats they contacted were "shocked" to find that their party affiliation had been switched to Republican, according to local news accounts.

    Hector Barajas, spokesman for the California Republican Party, confirmed that YPM was hired to work for the GOP in California and had been issued thousands of voter registration forms. But he insisted that there are in place several verification procedures to ensure that any voter registrations filed are valid.

    "All our volunteers wear T-shirts clearly indicating that they are Republicans," Barajas said. "And we send out post cards to new registrants, as well as follow up with a voice mail message to make sure they know they are registered with the Republican Party."

    County Board of Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky expressed concern regarding Hofstetter's case.

    "We take allegations of fraud in our voting system very seriously," Yaroslavsky said. "We've spoken to (county registrar) Dean Logan about this case and he is referring it to the District Attorney's Office."

    Jane Robison, in District Attorney's Steve Cooley's office, confirmed that YPM is under investigation with the county Public Integrity Division.

    Dr King was a Community Organizer!! George Wallace was a Governor!

    by jimstaro on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:39:51 PM PDT

  •  Ummmmm (0+ / 0-)

    It's called having a republican administration and a razor thin majority being not enough to pass something.... Do you not know about the filibuster? Did you expect Bush to cooperate? I certainly didn't. I do not know how people are comparing this to 2004 or 2006. This is an entirely different ballgame than 2004 or 2006. People need to stop whining.

  •  re (8+ / 0-)

    Pelosi told TIME, "Anybody who's ever dealt with me knows not to mess with me."

    Oh goodie. She can be a comedian after see steps down out of respect for us AND the peter principle.

    "Steve Holt lives in a non fake part of America." - Steve Holt

    by cookiesandmilk on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:41:03 PM PDT

  •  You know how hard we've worked to elect Obama? (9+ / 0-)

    And to make sure the Dem majority gets even greater in the House and Senate? Well, that is EXACTLY how hard we should work, come January, to hold Obama and the Dems accountable. "Accountable for what?", you ask. Accountable for holding Bush and his minions accountable for their crimes, that's all! Nothing very important...

    "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

    by ratmach on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:41:10 PM PDT

  •  Just like having children... (11+ / 0-)

    ... there is no perfect time... if you wait on timing it'll never happen

    Dudehisattva... <div style="color: #0000a0;">"Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"&l

    by Dood Abides on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:41:13 PM PDT

  •  There's an argument (7+ / 0-)

    To be made that after November 4th, we ALL should be busier than ever.

    The task of helping Obama in this election is trivial compared to what is ahead!

    There's an incredible machine in place to get Obama where we need him to be, the next part is using the machine to empower him and America.

    There're a lot of people out there that will resist... and it's our job to help them to move forward also. This election is different; it's not "us against them", it's about our country!

    America needs the best of all of us to step forward and be proactive.

    What is this I hear of sorrow and weariness, Anger, discontent and drooping hopes... Life is too strong for you-- It takes life to love Life

    by Nebraska68847Dem on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:41:36 PM PDT

  •  Congress CAN multitask, hence... (6+ / 0-)

    ...the Progressive Agenda can be pushed on through while the proper subcommittees address the criminals of the Bush administration.

    Can we do both?  Yes, we can.

    If Congress chooses to pursue one and not the other (nomatter which they choose to pursue), they will end up either cheating America out of what the nation needs in order to move forward or they'll miss the chance to right the wrongs which began this mess in the first place.

    We!  Must!  Do!  Both!

    Celtic Merlin

    Sorry I couldn't take your call. I'm using my cell phone to make pancakes. Please leave a message.

    by Celtic Merlin on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:41:45 PM PDT

  •  we could elect a new Speaker. (6+ / 0-)


    There are some very smart Dems in the mid ranks who would be
    awesome running the team.

    Promote CHris van Hollen to Majority Leader,  Promote
    John Murtha to Speaker,  promote rahm Emmanuel to Whip,
    get Kendrick Meeks Running DCCC.

    Pelosi screwed the pooch, let's thank her and move on, by
    making her Chairman of Rules.

    George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10

    by nathguy on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:44:09 PM PDT

  •  Pelosi, too traditional of a politician (7+ / 0-)

    and it's time we put a progressive in the Speakers seat. Ever since she took impeachment off the table her days should of been numbered. This is the term to replace her if we can. I can see her holding back some of the plans of Obama in favor of Big Money. That cannot be allowed.

    President Theodore Roosevelt,"No man can take part in the torture of a human being without having his own moral nature permanently lowered."

    by SmileySam on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:46:20 PM PDT

  •  When I read stuff like this (7+ / 0-)

    I realize I've been coming to Daily Kos for a long time.  My outrage of the very issues stated in this diary (and more) keep me returning.  On some fronts, we've help to effect some amazing changes, but I still feel we've been poking the stick at a dead dog.  

  •  Dry powder rots if you don't use it. (10+ / 0-)

    Pelosi and Reid let it go bad.  Never used it.   Too cowardly / complicit.

    More and BETTER Democrats.   The second part is just as important.

    JOHN McCAIN = George W. Bush's 3rd term.

    by chumley on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:47:41 PM PDT

  •  What's the hidden agenda? (2+ / 0-)
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    That's what I can't figure out. Anybody have insights into these decisions?  Impeachment...well, I sort of understand they don't want to piss off a lot of people by impeaching the president or vice president...but the DOJ thing strikes me as  a no brainer.

  •  excellent diary (5+ / 0-)

    disgusting situation.

    Pelosi, a disappointment. I admit, I don't know the inner workings and inner deal making. But from what I can see - the crew thought they were placating us and basically just rode things out until Bush was out.


    Alaska State Representative Mike Doogan (D): "Either Sarah Palin has talents and skills we were not aware of", or "John McCain fell down and hit his head".

    by michele2 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:49:26 PM PDT

  •  Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid need to go (8+ / 0-)

    Obama should make clear that he has no confidence in these two boobs and clear the decks.

    They are merely enablers from the now-defunct Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush disaster that has befallen this country.

    We want change EVERYWHERE.  Especially in the quisling Congress.

    " ... or a baby's arm holding an apple!"

    by Lavocat on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:50:24 PM PDT

    •  My impression is that Pelosi took a stand for (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama in the primaries---she reiterated publicly over and over again that the winner of the elected delegates should be the one who should ultimately receive the votes of the superdelegates.  She never blinked at the Clinton arguements for why the superdelegates should take a stand and vote for her. Pelosi roadblocked Clinton, and I think Obama owes her.  Unfortunately, Pelosi's not going anywhere.  Now maybe HRC could take on Harry Reid to lead the Senate.  She's darned sure a tougher, smarter Democrat and she'd fight for what she thinks is right...even if I don't always agree with HRC, she's a fighter.

      Change will not come if we wait for some other person or if we wait for some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.

      by FightForJustice on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:00:07 PM PDT

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  •  There is gonna be trouble... (2+ / 0-)
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    The right wing is beating its chest about "Americanism." They hope that they can use that issue to cower what will be an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress. For example, they can use this as a way to stymie any talk of reducing the military budget - not that anyone would suggest that anyway.
    Rather than tolling over an playing dead, like the Dems did, they will attempt rather to raise the volume and of their vitriol and intransigence. They will not just scream "partisanship." They will scream "TRAITOR!" "ANTIAMERICAN!" Who knows if it will work?
    They will need to be beaten down, they are not giving up, no matter what kind of losses at the polls they take. Remember, some of them plotted a coup against FDR.
    I assume that there will never be reconciliation for Rove, Meiers, etc. I assume that the Dems will continue with their weak leadership, and will see their gains chipped away in 2010. On the other hand, who has ever seen an Obama? Not in my lifetime.

  •  It's really going to come down to Obama (3+ / 0-)
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    zett, Predictor, obnoxiotheclown

    and the priorities he sets. And how much he uses the office to push forward an agenda of change.

    Because if you're waiting for Congress to step up to the plate...'re going to be waiting for awhile.

    Yes, we've proven people power - but the established Washington insiders (at least many of them) are still in the pocket of big business and corporate interests.

    They're not all really representing us. They're representing their political careers.

    So, it will also come down to us putting the pressure on them.

    Big challenges. But first, we have to get past this election and all the crap the Rethugs are pulling to steal it.

    Change the media ownership laws and reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

    by moosely2006 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:53:22 PM PDT

  •  Why do we end up with all these Blue Dogs (2+ / 0-)
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    coastal, Jurassic Game Warden

    in Congress, who are so useless? Rahm Emanuel and that crew. They did it again with this idiot Mahoney in Florida.

  •  New Zealand (1+ / 0-)
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    Jurassic Game Warden

    New Zealand has been running a program to attract young, intellectual and artistic people, and to be honest, that country is looking better every single goddamn day.

  •  Here's what Thomas Jefferson has to say (2+ / 0-)

    about the fact that congress has done nothing to fight against the treasons of the Bush regime:

    "Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing [a people] to slavery." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. (*) ME 1:193, Papers 1:125

  •  Good reminder. (2+ / 0-)

    I think, therefore I am. I think.

    by mcmom on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:11:52 PM PDT

  •  This time around we could use some help from Kos. (3+ / 0-)

    I'm just saying. Bringing up the taboo subject of vote stealing was a bannable offense on this site for far too long. If we get our asses handed to us this time there won't be any recourse.

    Come on, Kos, better late than never. We really, really need you now.

  •  The next four years are going to be rough (2+ / 0-)

    This is one of many  issues Obama will be faced with if he wins the coming elections.  The republicans will not be satisfied with Obama in office.  Everything the republicans do, attempt to do or say must be scrutinized.  It is absolutely necessary to keep them off balance.  If that does not happen, they are going to attempt to run rough shod over everything.  They are already taking the steps to frame this presidential election as a fraud.  Winning and being right is never enough. If simply being right, reasonable and fair were the criteria by which all arguments were judged, the democrats would have won every election for the last fifty years.  The Democrats need to realize this and develop a strong, take no prisoners, offensive strategy.  The economy, the war and every other republican caused problem is going to be turned around and blamed on the Dems.  The strategy is to avoid being on the defensive, anticipate before they act and keep them off balance.

  •  The Republicans Will Win Back The House And (0+ / 0-)

    Senate in 2010.

    I hope Nancy Pelosi is taken out at that point.  

  •  That's why I'm for Nader ! (0+ / 0-)

    If the Dems were serious about tackling these election frauds starting with the 2000 Supreme Court halting of counting votes, they would have tackled it or at least started it.
    There must be something in it for the Dems not to tackle the many issues they have ' not gotten to'. Many a way to always complain that the system is rigged.

    Dems have managed to lower everyone's expectations.

    Well, no more for this voter !
    I imagine you will now hide my comment since you have told me before, ' This is a Dem website'.

    •  Nader is not in it to win (0+ / 0-)

      He's even said that....

    •  Without veto proof majority in Senate (0+ / 0-)

      not much of what we want could get done.  The GOP put up the filibuster many, many, many times.  I think they set a record.  Pelosi got  an increase in minimum wage and many other important things.  Much of what we wanted would only be filibustered in the Senate or not signed by Bush, so they did what they could.  Let's not attack our own people.  The GOP has ruined this country, not Pelosi.  It all started with Reagan and his trickle down theory of economics.  He was one of the worst presidents ever and the other Republicans that followed him were as bad or worse.

  •  Woulda Been Nice to Hear Pushback From Campaign (1+ / 0-)
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    or Dems during the first 5 days the story went global in the Republican frame.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:23:08 PM PDT

  •  Politicians won't bring out the truth (0+ / 0-)

    and the Traditional Media will find other things to do, including finding a way to economically survive.

    Sigh.  It will be up to Josh Marshall and the other folks at

    by algebrateacher on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:25:10 PM PDT

  •   Please San Fran!!!: please try to elect Sheehan! (1+ / 0-)
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    despite Kos policy of electing Democrats right or wrong:  Pelosi must GO.  

    She can run as a Republican next time.

  •  Apparently the best (1+ / 0-)
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    thing about being a politician in a two party system is that once well established, you never have to do anything to earn votes from memebers of your own party.  You simply spend all of your time trying to avoid earning wrath from members of the other party.  Ain't it just grand!

    "Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it." Robert F. Kennedy

    by enough already on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:30:26 PM PDT

  •  the shorthand: PELOUSY. (0+ / 0-)

    nuff sed.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:30:28 PM PDT

    •  What can she do without veto proof Senate? (1+ / 0-)
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      They could not waste time on things that would get nowhere, so they did the best they could with things they thought they could get passed.  

      •  That's what I said (0+ / 0-)

        Apparently I'm batty. We should all elect Sheehan in her place simply because Sheehan is running against her. That is her whole platform.

      •  The Senate has no role... (1+ / 0-)
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        in enforcing the House's supboenas.

        And the president can't veto a subpoena, anyway.

        •  O.K. Should she waste time on (0+ / 0-)

          subpoenas that aren't respected?  Should we be constantly trying to start fights that get nowhere and put nobody in jail?  The President can grant pardons.  He also has control of the Justice Department.   Democrats take a huge risk when they start fights they're not sure they can win.  In the end, it backfires.  I think Pelosi is smart and realistic.  Yes, I don't always agree with her, but I think she's doing a good job.  She's smart and practical.  Did the GOP gain anything by impeaching Clinton?  In the end, it hurt them.  Also, I was referring to passing legislation that would get us out of Iraq and other things we want done.  I was not referring to granting subpoenas.  The GOP that leads this nation now flaunts the law and they get away with it because they have a lapdog Dept. of Justice, control of the Supreme Court, and Democrats who are afraid that their red states won't reelect them.  It's not all about Pelosi.  She can't do things all by herself.  She needs support in Congress and she needs a majority of Americans to want them.  If not, Democrats will pay, and I think she wanted to avoid this.

          •  Yes, she should. (2+ / 0-)
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            Because it's not a waste of time.

            They're not respected because they're not enforced. You've got the cause and effect backward here.

            The president can't pardon contempt of Congress. It's not an "offense against the United States."

            You can differ on whether or not you think enforcing the subpoenas investigating the "administration's" role in engineering voter suppression is smart, but you can't seriously say that opting not to enforce the investigation and then acting surprised to find yourself facing more of the same is "realistic."

            And yes, you were referring to passing legislation.

            But I wasn't.

            Nor did I say it was all about Pelosi. But the fact is that she's the one who made the claims about the subpoena power that anyone with a history book could tell you were going to require some substantial backing up.

            I mean, there's literally no one else to look to about that. They were her words.

            To that extent, she's just going to have to take the heat.

            But is it all hers? No. Which is why I never say so.

        •  This is in wrong spot (0+ / 0-)

          Belongs under trinite's.....whine of  What can sheeee do....?

        •  Maybe you're right. (0+ / 0-)

          But I think Pelosi did not want to start a fight she probably could not win and that in the end would only hurt our chances of winning elections this year.  I happen to like Pelosi.  I think she doesn't want to start something she isn't sure she can win.  It's my opinion, and I could be wrong.  I know she knows more about the House and what's possible than I do.  I don't think she had enough support from conservative Democrats in the House.  There are plenty of them.

          •  I happen to like her too. (0+ / 0-)

            As among the House leadership, she was the one who felt most instinctively the necessity of pursuing the contempt charges.

            But unfortunately, she spoke out of school on the subpoena power in advance of the 2006 elections.

            There were surely others in the leadership who had little or no interest in defending the institutional prerogatives of the Congress, and they have enough pull with her and with the caucus that things got pushed back again and again, to the point where we ended up pursuing a futile court case instead of really talking about what was at stake and considering the full range of our options.

            But ultimately, it's her name on the marquee, and she's going to take some heat for this.

          •  Pelosi lacks backbone (0+ / 0-)

            Clever she may be, but if her "cleverness" lingers past Jan 2008 I say can her ass.

            The United States has got some of the dumbest people in the world. I want you to know that we know that. Ted Turner

            by Klick2con10ue on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 07:29:48 PM PDT

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  •  The GOP had many years to make this mess. (1+ / 0-)
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    We can't turn it around in two years without a veto proof majority in the Senate.  We have to have a Democratic President or a veto proof majority in the Senate to change things faster.

    •  The president can't veto subpoenas. (0+ / 0-)

      That's just gibberish.

      •  Please see my response above. (0+ / 0-)
        •  I did. (0+ / 0-)

          It's actually not responsive to the point.

          •  Blaming it all on Pelosi is a mistake. (0+ / 0-)

             I understand your point about the upcoming election and the importance of getting the answer on the firing of federal attorneys.  Maybe Pelosi didn't have enough support from Democrats in the House to do this successfully.  Maybe she thought the Justice Department would stand in the way.  What if the subpoenas were issued and not respected?  It has happened.  It's very difficult to get something of this magnitude done successfully unless you have the support of your own party.  I think she didn't want to start something she wasn't sure she could win.

            •  Whew! Lucky I don't do that, then! (0+ / 0-)

              Besides, the subpoenas were issued and not respected. Are you sure you're up to speed enough on this issue to actually debate the details of it?

              •  I know subpoenas were not respected. (1+ / 0-)
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                I'm sure I don't know as much about this issue as you do, and I haven't done the research that you've done, but I also know that it's impossible for anyone to get something of this magnitude done unless they have the support of their own party, of a majority of Americans, and preferably of some of the people on the other side too.  That's how Congress got Nixon to resign.  Nothing like what Pelosi was facing has been done by Congress for a very long time, and I understand that they would have to follow a precedent that they weren't sure would even succeed in today's world to get the people they wanted to testify.  The rules for enforcing the subpoena were vague from what I remember about it.  I am worried about how this has affected the balance of power in our government and affected the integrity of elections, but I don't blame Pelosi for it.  Who in the House would be a better novice Speaker?

                •  The rules were never vague. (0+ / 0-)

                  They were clear as a bell and still are. They just decided not to try to do it.

                  But again, I don't place all the blame on Pelosi.

                  I can't wiggle out of blaming her for her words, though. She said 'em, and it was dumb.

                  Frankly, I doubt she'd disagree, in hindsight.

              •  Thanks for writing this (0+ / 0-)

                You are covering the very heart of why I am now an Independent.  

                I was a Democrat in 2006 and worked very hard to get that 'surprise' Democratic majority in the House.  Like all of us who voted and volunteered, I had certain very basic expectations... none of them were met.  Not a one.  No accountability, whatsoever.  

                And if we lose this presidential election, it will be because of an endless string of betrayals and 'caves' that included failing to address a very broken voting system after two very obviously stolen elections.  

                I still vote Democratic, but I feel completely betrayed by the party leadership, and I won't wear the Democratic brand and share in their karma - not after so many have died in Iraq, and not with so much at stake for our entire nation.  I'm not at all convinced that Pelosi isn't just one more Lieberman dressed in blue.  Actions - and inactions - speak louder than words.

                I believe Obama is our only hope.  If we all vote for him and both we and he are denied his presidency, I fear for this country.  And yes... I will hold Pelosi responsible for the rest of my days.

            •  make a case (0+ / 0-)

              why not make a case directly to  to the public then?  There was not support to impeach Nixon till the public got the facts, then the congress had to act to look respectable.

      •  Apparently no one in his adminstration has to (0+ / 0-)

        respond, either. Maybe that's not a veto, but it sure is working.

        •  No one has to respond... (1+ / 0-)
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          if we don't make them.

          That doesn't mean suing to try to make someone else enforce them.

          •  I'm very angry about this issue too. (0+ / 0-)

            But I don't blame it on Pelosi.  O.K.  She shouldn't have made promises she couldn't and wouldn't keep, but maybe she didn't know this when she made that promise.  Couldn't it be possible that she discovered that she didn't have the support to do what she wanted to do?  After all, she became Speaker in 2006 and probably had a lot to learn about the job and who would help her achieve her goals.  There are lots of lame and conservative Dems. who were going to stand in her way, starting with Rahm E.

          •  Got you. I was being sarcastic. (0+ / 0-)

            Bringing a pillow to a knife fight looks dumb, is dumb, and has been the Democratic way for quite a while.

            Not showing up for the fight has been Pelosi's idea of being smart. Looks like losing, but hey. We didn't get hurt, right?

    •  Repubs (0+ / 0-)

      have proved this to be untrue time after time.

      The United States has got some of the dumbest people in the world. I want you to know that we know that. Ted Turner

      by Klick2con10ue on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 07:31:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  When the only voices you hear are lobbyists (0+ / 0-)

    and republicans, you get to thinking in stupid ways.

    What we may have is a group of leaders who have decided they are smarter than the average bear and they aren't.

    Look what a mess the leaders and their enablers have us in.

    You would almost think they decided the constitution was bad and wanted to crash and trash America.

    There is nothing more pathetic and ruinous than stupid people who think they are smart.

    "Democrats can't do any worse than them." O

    by relentless on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:40:45 PM PDT

  •  Balance of Power is the issue... (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm not willing to say that Pelosi has been doing the best she can.

    But I understand that a majority in Congress doesn't constitute real power when the minority has the lobbyists, the money, corporate media, right wing talk radio, and the Oval Office on their side.

    On top of that, Congress is a hidebound institution that has evolved arcane rules to protect the interests of the wealthy even when they're in the minority.

    I can only imagine the threats being issued from the White House through back-channels. They can still do a lot of damage between now and January 29th.

    I commend the author for cataloging the unfinished business of this Congress... but progress is still very much an uphill battle.

    If readers believe that "More and Better Democrats" is the way forward, then it would good to ask, "What kind of help does Pelosi need from us?" BEFORE going off on a rant about "spineless" Democrats.

    BushCheney Inc. - They lied to me, they lied to you, they lied to our troops.

    by jjohnjj on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:53:03 PM PDT

  •  Not all Dems love Nancy (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm a Democrat, a woman, from the Bay Area, and consider myself a feminist.

    I do NOT support Nancy Pelosi.  I think she has been weak, ineffective, and, most importantly, an enabler for Bush.

    I'm hoping that she gets replaced after Obama gets elected.

  •  New Leaderrship Needed (0+ / 0-)

    Palosi must go, Hoyer must go, Reid must go. New leadership that will fight for
    law and order and civil liberties is sorely needed.

  •  Pelosi aint going to do squat (0+ / 0-)

    Pelosi Myers and Bolton all belong to the same Country Club. That is why she was put in the Speaker's Chair to make sure "W" got to finish his term with out any pesky congressional interference.

    All I know is what I read in the newspapers. Will Rogers

    by Tulsonian on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 07:05:03 PM PDT

  •  I bet Pelosi would make us.... (0+ / 0-)

    appear before Michele Bachmann's un-american committee

    All I know is what I read in the newspapers. Will Rogers

    by Tulsonian on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 07:07:52 PM PDT

  •  There are progressive Democrats (0+ / 0-)

    in Congress but a lot of people here on Kos act as if they find them embarrassing. We can acknowledge and support them and see that they are re-elected. And we can elect better democrats

    The United States has got some of the dumbest people in the world. I want you to know that we know that. Ted Turner

    by Klick2con10ue on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 07:40:52 PM PDT

  •  Nov. 5th, It's A Whole New Game (0+ / 0-)

    I expect the flood gates of investigation to open right after the election is decided on...BWAH...January 20th...BWAH HAA HAA. Yeah, right!

  •  The "No one could have foreseen" files - Amen (0+ / 0-)

    I live in Texas and am represented by the Democratic centrist Henry Cuellar. Most of the folks in the county party aren't especially happy with his voting record but since his district encompasses a much larger area than just us he's probably the best that we can manage at this time. After Nov 4 I for one want to go on the hunt for someone who will take on exactly the issues you wrote about and address them head on with or without dear Nancy's approval. Its time that the Dem's in congress replace her with someone who will run with the ball and not sit back and defend her position. In football you want to maintain possession of the ball and the best way to do that is to have a dynamic offense. Dear Nancy seems not to have learned that the best defense is a good offense.

    If we want to maintain control of the House in 2010 we have to attack the Republicans on several fronts and those should have to do with ethics, abuse of power and violation of civil rights among others. We need to pick the 3 or 4 that we can make the strongest case for and charge starting on November 5. The sitting Republicans need to be pushed back on their heels defending themselves for the next two years so that even if we loose a few of our freshmen we can be sure they loose a few of their veterans. In chess you often sacrifice a pawn to take the opponent's bishop.

    If dear Nancy doesn't have the stomach for it then she needs to be replaced by someone with the brass balls to get the job done. How about Barbara Boxer or Bob Wexler?

  •  Fed up with Pelosi's lack of spine (0+ / 0-)

    Fortunately for me I can register my protest with a vote this November - wonder if she will take notice? I suspect Cindy Sheehan who is running against her here in San Francisco may do better than expected.

  •  Get Rid of Pelosi (0+ / 0-)

    The Democrats in Congress have been almost useless for the past two years. What have they done, other than capitulate on whatever the White House throws at them? It's completely pathetic, and I'm hoping that in January there will be a completely new leadership structure.

    We can help by getting rid of Pelosi in this election. If you haven't already, please consider giving to one of her opponents. There's only a few weeks left.

    As for doing anything after the election, my fondest wish is that they would bring impeachment to the floor of the House and vote it out so that we can have Bush and his entire administration up for a short trial and early conviction. Unless Democrats are going to do that, they can just stay home until January, as far as I'm concerned.

    Give them the message. Pick a Pelosi challenger and give him or her some money. Even a few dollars sends a strong message that it's time to change policy.

  •  Pelosicrats suck (0+ / 0-)

    I will volunteer full time the next two years if it means no more Pelosi.

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