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This journal does not have a vote, and does not claim any particular standing from which to instruct those who do. But if it did, it would cast its vote for Barack Obama.

For Nature, the premiere science journal [the other premiere jornal is Science, as many commenters noted], to endorse a candidate is highly unusual. In fact, in an email response, no one at the journal can remember the last time it happened. Nature was founded in 1869.

Paul Krugman:

No, what the economy needs now is something to take the place of retrenching consumers. That means a major fiscal stimulus. And this time the stimulus should take the form of actual government spending rather than rebate checks that consumers probably wouldn’t spend.

David Brooks:We're all Keynesians now.

Ari Melber:

Everyone can hear it now. This Internet-driven, hyperactive presidential race is forcing accountability on two of the oldest tricks in politics: dog whistles and secret smears.

James Klurfeld: You can't run against history. But you can run against McCain.

Andrew Kohut: I'm fairly confident Obama has this won. And I can tell you why, starting with Sarah Palin. But I won't conclude that. We must preserve the illusion of 'anything can happen' because in this day and age, CYA is the prudent thing to do.

Eric Zorn: Eight reasons Obama will win, including

  1. Sarah Palin is turning out to be the disasta’ from Alaska.

Daniel Henninger: They really are socialists. No, really. No kidding around.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:06 AM PDT.

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  •  disasta’ from Alaska (12+ / 0-)

    John McCain -- Putting the "ick" back in Maverick!!!!

    by fhamme on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:08:14 AM PDT

  •  Joe Scarborough finally changed his clothes today (3+ / 0-)

    What was the deal with him wearing that same pullover thing for 3-4 days straight?

    He is particularly vile this morning and I'm sick of Barnicle.

    Once in awhile you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right...

    by Glic on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:10:08 AM PDT

  •  OK, DemfromCT is playing mind games (0+ / 0-)

    The polling numbers changed on the front page BUT there is no diary.......


    I am an ex pat lifelong Republican voting for Obama, dual nat member of New Labour, that works in The City.

    by Libertarian Friend on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:10:27 AM PDT

  •  Do you guys read every scientific journal... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...on the off chance they'll have something political? Damn, that's some dedication!

    See the losers in the best bars, meet the winners in the dives -Neil Young

    by danoland on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:11:00 AM PDT

    •  There are really only two top science journals (2+ / 0-)
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      sundancekid11, Abra Crabcakeya

      Nature and Science.  It's not too hard to drop in on their websites or set up an email alert or whatever.


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      by dmsilev on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:16:49 AM PDT

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      •  Scientific American and Nat Geo are good (1+ / 0-)
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        there is only one reality, republicans just forget at times

        by Bloke on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 06:19:52 AM PDT

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        •  Very different audience (4+ / 0-)
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          Science and Nature publish first reports of original research, intended for a broad audience of scientists. Scientific American publishes articles about recent research, typically recasting the original reports in a way that makes them more interesting to an audience of people interested in science. It's a much wider net to cast, and the articles are written in a very different style.

          I'll give you an example. About a year ago, I was fortunate enough to have an article published in Nature. Here's the introductory paragraph to that article; bear in mind that the guidelines for the opening paragraph is that it should be as nontechnical as possible, and accessible to the general reader of Nature:

          Most physical and biological systems are disordered, even though the majority of theoretical models treat disorder as a weak perturbation. One particularly simple system is a ferromagnet approaching its Curie temperature, Tc, where all of the spins associated with partially filled atomic shells acquire parallel orientation. With the addition of disorder by way of chemical substitution, the Curie point is suppressed, but no qualitatively new  phenomena appear in bulk measurements as long as the disorder is  truly random on the atomic scale and not so large as to eliminate ferromagnetism entirely[1]. Here we report the discovery that a simply measured magnetic response is singular above the Curie temperature of a model, disordered magnet, and that the associated singularity grows to an anomalous divergence at Tc. The origin of the singular response is the random internal field induced by an external magnetic field transverse to the favoured  direction for magnetization[2–4]. The fact that ferromagnets can be studied easily and with high precision using bulk susceptibility and a large variety of imaging tools will not only advance fundamental studies of the random field problem, but also suggests a mechanism for tuning the strength of domain wall pinning, the key to applications.

          You won't find a paragraph like that in Scientific American; even if there was an article on the same subject (how randomness can be used to tweak the properties of a magnet), the introduction wouldn't dive in and talk about things like measured singularities.


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          by dmsilev on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 06:49:01 AM PDT

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          •  Many years ago such articles were regularly found (0+ / 0-)

            in Scientific American. Not for a while , that I see. We tried again last year and let our subscription lapse in June.  

          •  Depends on your audience (0+ / 0-)

            If you are writing for other pHds then the more stringent standards in Nature and Science are better.  However the same quality of papaer can be found in any number of specialist journals targeted at an audience with a specific understanding of teh subject matter.

            If you are writing for the general populace as are New Scientist or Scientific American, then your opening would have to start by explaining the meaning of Curie temperature, that you are talking about the influence of randomly placed chemical impurities within the ferrous matrix and why domain wall pinning is important.  A well educated audience, at least one with a scientific background to that education, can pick up a copy of Scienfic American and understand at least the concepts being presented if not always the totality of the theory, there are times when that is not the case with Nature.

            there is only one reality, republicans just forget at times

            by Bloke on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 07:42:42 AM PDT

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          •  I used to read Scientific American (0+ / 0-)

            when the model for DNA was first proposed by Crick and Watson, but gave up when articles referred to (sub) molecular genetics.  Now I just read National Geographic!  What amazes me is that so many do not even read that.  If we are going to get a handle on Global Climate Change, more must be done to educate the non-scientific majority.  Also, my professors were very interested in the ethical issues related to their work.   Which is something that the current administration seems to ignore.

          •  Color me impressed, dmsilev! (0+ / 0-)

            "Statistics are people with the tears washed away." Sociologist Ruth Sidel

            by Vicky on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 09:07:29 AM PDT

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      •  There are MANY, MANY (2+ / 0-)
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        "top" science journals.  In the field, we call these the "magazines", broadly read, glossy, "sexy" science that tells  an interesting story (not necessarily the "best" work in their field).  Don't get me wrong, I would give my pinky finger to get my work into either, but it isn't sexy enough ;)

      •  Except that Science subscriptions cost $142 a (0+ / 0-)

        year. We are gonna bite the bullet after first of year and get it ; after all, that's weekly , not monthly - and Scientific American is dumbed down to the point i can understand the math and physics articles. That's TOO dumb.

        •  WAY worth it (1+ / 0-)
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          though i dont have time to read it if i could convince myself. You should check out the science blogs (linked too on friday here) lots of amazing stuff. And you can grab podcasts from itunes etc like sciencenow. We're lucky we're in an age when you literally cannot keep up with the amazing ideas and discoveries out there.

          I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever TJ

          by cdreid on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 07:40:41 AM PDT

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          •  Oh yes , I have no doubt it's worth it. I have (1+ / 0-)
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            lots of time but less money , being retired. Just gotta feel though the tradeoff for the right moment to do things , like everything else. Gauge the risk probabilities best I can with limited info and limited personal processing capacity.Problem solving for household decisions helps replace the challenges of work , a thing for which I'm very grateful. My wife wants to kill me , though, LOL!

            •  Ouch (1+ / 0-)
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              Abra Crabcakeya

              fixed income must be tough.

              If i can suggest you can find everything you need on the net. Its definitely there. The scienceblogs alone have enough to keep you reading all day every day. And then of course theres the FUN!!!!!!!! stuff. Hackaday and Makezine blog will give you ideas that your wife would kill you, hack you up, then kill you again over! I have an Arduino, lotsa microprocessors, a cnc mill, lathe etc i have no time to use. But SOMEDAY im crankin them babies up, makin me a terminator style robot and showin it off on make/hackaday hehe

              I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever TJ

              by cdreid on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 08:48:51 AM PDT

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              •  Maybe a leopard knows that it is spotted - (1+ / 0-)
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                like I still greatly prefer to read from a printed page. Limited time I can sit up in chair to use computer , and alternatives like laptop etc. yet considered not workable for various related reasons. It'll all work out. Time spent on internet subtracted from time spent reading books from library , or servicing the unlimited needs and aspirations  of our dogs. No rest for the wicked, wimped out , or the witless , I am seeing.

    •  I read Nature monthly (3+ / 0-)
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      because of this...

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:17:07 AM PDT

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    •  In SCIENCE (6+ / 0-)

      a few weeks ago, there was an article about Obama and McCain's science advisory panels.  One academic lobbyist described it as Obama having a thousand scientists to draw upon while McCain had "two guys and a dog."  That says it all.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:26:36 AM PDT

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    •  Nobody reads scientific journals.. (5+ / 0-)

      Except for Nature and Science.

      It's the case for most scientists I know at least. Mostly people use literature-searches to find whatever's new and relevant to their area.

      But the two big ones do actually have real readership, from all the people who want to keep up with the big news in science in general and who'd prefer not to get it in watered-down, popular-science form.

      •  New Scientist I brill (0+ / 0-)

        there is only one reality, republicans just forget at times

        by Bloke on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 06:20:34 AM PDT

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      •  I once read American Anthropologist , Journal (0+ / 0-)

        of Environmental Health , and Journal of the American Medical Association regularly.THese lapsed , in turn , by finally admitting that my student "eligibility" had long lapsed , by an editorial swerve toward propogandizing for privateer takeover of public agencies , and for general piggishness, priggishness, and profit crazed assholery.

    •  Nature mossed the point (1+ / 0-)
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      I think that the major reason they should have gone against McCain is the anti-science stance espoused by teh ticket, particularly the witch hunter her self.  Look at teh derision of basic research and decrying education on science ie creationism.

      that should have made this an easy choice

      there is only one reality, republicans just forget at times

      by Bloke on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 06:23:13 AM PDT

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    •  Interesting that Nature took a side, politically (1+ / 0-)
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      Personally, I do have one concern.
      "Empirical science" and "moral/spiritual belief" do not always align, perfectly.
      Knowing how material reality works does not necessarily mean that one knows how the mind + soul works or how man should live.

      There is a tendency among some scientists to presume that their method of viewing reality gives them a moral superiority -- and this is not always the case.  Science is not an abstraction; scientists often operate as an economic + academic lobby, marked by groupthink, social elitism and risk aversion.  

      No question, the Bush Administration has substituted a very narrow religious ideology for science. Obama deserves Nature's endorsement.

      I just don't want to see a USA divided along yet one more variable -- that of scientific method.  For the sake of American democracy, let's all work to establish dialogue between "scientists" and "anti-scientists".   Somewhere, there must be a political middle ground.

    •  Most technical journals (0+ / 0-)

      are just compilations of technical journal articles, published monthly, with no editorializing. Science and Nature do have editorial boards who shape and direct both the content of the journal and provide editorial comments. They're pretty unique in that they publish both overviews for the general reader, and more detailed articles in the back for the specialist. They're both cross-disciplinary, which is also unusual. Most journals cover very narrow (relative to the rest of the world)  subject matter.

      Needless to say, having read the plans of both candidates for funding research, I much prefer Obama's. Research in the physical sciences is in dire shape in this country. It's to the point where specific technical expertise is simply being lost as older researchers retire, with no younger people coming up in the fields. McCain has no intention of fixing that, ever, even if he understood how bad things are. Obama does.

      Radarlady, speaking from more unfortunate personal experience than she cares to go into here...

  •  Economists Want Consumers to Spend More, But (1+ / 0-)
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    We don't have any more money.

    Consumer spending of the last eight years was driven by mortgage equity withdrawals and credit cards.  Actual wages were stagnant or declining.

    Krugman wants more government spending -- sure -- but we also need to revise two other parts of government policy, taxation and regulation, to make sure that we have a strong middle class that is capable of supporting a market economy.

    Somebody needs to go to Congress and say:

    "We ain't got no money."

    We aren't going to behave like the good consumers that they want unless they work to rebalance the system.

    You can call me "Lord Bink Forester de Rothschild."

    by bink on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:11:45 AM PDT

    •  Daniel Henniger's piece in the WSJ (3+ / 0-)
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      is truly a whine about losing "what made America great," that is our free market, deregulated, wild west economy and a wail about Obama's intention to turn this economy into a Western European nanny state whose economy is an over-regulated, stagnant mess.

      How he expects this country to rely on an economy built on consumerism, when consumers are dead broke and without an advocate for making sure they have wages sufficient to consume anything beyond gasoline and food, he doesn't explain.  Probably because it's inexplicable.

      I foresee a lot more public handwringing and gnashing of teeth over the demise of the economy that "made us great" in the months and years ahead as the country undergoes a necessary - and long overdue - overhaul of dependence on consumerism and the outsourcing of the manufacturing base.  May these moneychangers be as miserable under the revised economy as the wage earners have been under the "trickle down" mess of the past 28 years.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 05:25:40 AM PDT

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      •  Friedman and Adam Smith rolling in grave (4+ / 0-)
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        Both of them are routinely invoked for policies that they specifically opposed. Smith was relentless in his disdain for businessmen and their untrustworthiness. He would have never countenanced the deregulation mania. Friedman didn't much like big government, but he wasn't a mindless tax-cutter. As far as he was concerned, taxes are what the government spends -- some are collected now, some later.

        I am glad that Rand's parody of philosophy has been exposed as a complete joke by Alan Greenspan, a man willing to destroy an economy for dogmatic reasons. Rand would have appreciated the joke, having seen Lenin and Stalin do the same thing to her home country.

      •  Henniger sees the glass half empty (7+ / 0-)

        I see it half full. Henniger is basically correct in his analysis, its his conclusions that suck. Cowboy capitalism has gotten us where we are, but its not a shining city on a hill, its a flooded shack in the bayou. The European social democratic model he eschews is in fact what most kossacks strive for, at least it's what I'm hoping we move closer to. Call it what you will, but universal health care, a college education for all who want one, closing the gap between the middle class and the wealthy elite, etc., etc, is what Wall Street fears and what the rest of America wants. To put it bluntly, if Obama wins it will demonstrate that Americans are socialist minded and I say "Bring it on!"

        Let the pastors, rabbis and mullahs mutter their mumbo-jumbo in private and leave the rest of us alone.

        by detler on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 05:43:10 AM PDT

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        •  Perfect - (1+ / 0-)
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          a flooded shack in the bayou.  That pretty well sums it up, since a large percentage of our population is, in one way or another, "under water."

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 05:53:08 AM PDT

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        •  I would much prefer a shack in the bayou to any (1+ / 0-)
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          city , but wouldn't care much for the flooding. Building on stilts gets overcome by saltwater incursion killing off marsh plants as it flows up oil exploration and production canals , and land subsides with dual pumping of well water and petroleum. Never mind neglected levee systems - like helped drown New Orleans.

        •  Bravo! (0+ / 0-)

          Its so good to see people who have a damn clue about economics and history. We've had to fight the supply side idiots even here on DK for years. They're much like the creationists in that actual facts be damned. Its very good to see realists speaking up more loudly and often.

          I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever TJ

          by cdreid on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 07:47:40 AM PDT

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      •  thank you Bink + SueDe (1+ / 0-)
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        (Sue: second day in a row I enjoyed one of your comments ^^)
        Guys, Please keep posting about the economy after the election.
        It's important for Americans to go beyond ideology + rhetoric and to focus on how the economy actually works -- on what consumption, investment, government spending is actually doing.

      •  GREAT comment (2+ / 0-)
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        of course the elephant in the room is that it was FDR pushing us away from the wild west days and into regulated, regressive, leftist economic policy that made us great. All the econopundit airheads seem completely unaware that before ww2 we were basically a rural also-ran in military and economic power. It took ww1 to force us onto the world stage at all and FDRs' policies to make us what we were before Reagan and the idiots who followed his supply side theology began destroying it.

        I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever TJ

        by cdreid on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 07:45:37 AM PDT

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    •  It's worse than that... (2+ / 0-)
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      Many folks that didn't participate in the recent credit card, mortgage equity and home financing disasters are not much better off as far as cash on hand goes. This is an underreported story because it isn't dramatic, but the economic impact is profound.

      For example, in the last few months our grocery bill has almost doubled - and we haven't changed our grocery shopping pattern. Until recently, gas was over $4 a gallon here. Those things hurt no matter where you are and who you are, unless you're John McCain or Paris Hilton.

      Money is being sucked out of our wallets by higher prices instead of going to pay off debt - but it's still money gone in our budget. The difference between what we were spending and what we are now spending is they money we might have been able to use to buy things that would help the economy.

      "...Reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." Richard Feynman

      by QuestionAuthority on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 07:19:29 AM PDT

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  • (1+ / 0-)
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    Rabindranath Tagore-"Bigotry tries to keep truth safe in its hand with a grip that kills it."

    by joy sinha on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:11:49 AM PDT

    •  A young earth creationist... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...on the opposite ticket probably put them over the edge.  Or maybe it was just her attack on fruit fly research.

      I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it. -- Terry Pratchett

      by WestWind on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 06:09:45 AM PDT

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  •  Joe the Scar officially just doing hit pieces (4+ / 0-)
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    at this point.  

    Morning Joe has basically become an O'Reilly talking points memo segment stretched out over a few hours.

    "Joe Biden is hurting Obama.  Palin is helping the GOP ticket."  Blah blah blah.

    I follow the scent of falling rain, and go to the place where it is darkest. I follow the lightning, and draw near the place it strikes.

    by Bin Bin on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:12:04 AM PDT

  •  I too am appalled at "Joe" today. (3+ / 0-)
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    They just did a piece by Willie Geist in which he stood in front of Zabar's in NYC wearing a McCain Palin shirt.  The responses he got were rather mild -- no one cursed, no one shouted, mostly it was roll the eyes and walk on -- and Geist just admitted there were "nice" people who stopped by and were edited out, but they're all going on at length about the mean, nasty liberals.

    How can we get them that footage from the jeering crowd in Carolina the other day at the Obama rally?

    •  You think they don't have that footage? (1+ / 0-)
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      Of course they do, but why should they run it when their continued commercial success depends on keeping the fiction alive that this is a close race and liberals are nasty, mean and vindictive?

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 05:30:11 AM PDT

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  •  New DKos Poll (1+ / 0-)
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    51% O - 45% M, O+1

  •  Research 2000 51% Obama 45% McCain (0+ / 0-)

    Since we do not have a diary on it yet (cough cough)

    I am waiting to go to lunch, could be early and long today!!

    I am an ex pat lifelong Republican voting for Obama, dual nat member of New Labour, that works in The City.

    by Libertarian Friend on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:12:26 AM PDT

  •  Bush comes up with one more legacy for U.S. (3+ / 0-)
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     Bush's Last Push to De-Regulate

    Front Page of Today's Washington Post... MSNBC's "First Look" lead with this today

     Bush administration to roll back consumer and environmental protections in its final 2 1/2 months and set them up so that future administrations can't easily block or undo them for years to come.


  •  Nature? Wow (0+ / 0-)

    Not that it really matters; the demographic that reads Nature (scientists, etc.), is already skewing heavily towards Obama, but still.

    Also worth mentioning that it's a British journal.


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    by dmsilev on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:13:05 AM PDT

  •  That the Economist endorsed Obama is good (5+ / 0-)
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    very very good.

    But Nature? Is that unprecedented?
    One of the top two science journals in the world (the other being Science).

  •  Obama was endorsed by the Humane Society too (6+ / 0-)

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    A first for them. Why? Palin.

    While McCain’s positions on animal protection have been lukewarm, his choice of running mate cemented our decision to oppose his ticket. Gov. Sarah Palin’s (R-Alaska) retrograde policies on animal welfare and conservation have led to an all-out war on Alaska’s wolves and other creatures. Her record is so extreme that she has perhaps done more harm to animals than any other current governor in the United States.

    Palin2 Palin engineered a campaign of shooting predators from airplanes and helicopters, in order to artificially boost the populations of moose and caribou for trophy hunters. She offered a $150 bounty for the left foreleg of each dead wolf as an economic incentive for pilots and aerial gunners to kill more of the animals, even though Alaska voters had twice approved a ban on the practice. This year, the issue was up again for a vote of the people, and Palin led the fight against it—in fact, she helped to spend $400,000 of public funds to defeat the initiative.

    What’s more, when the Bush Administration announced its decision to list the polar bear as threatened under the Endangered Species Act, Palin filed a lawsuit to reverse that decision. She said it’s the "wrong move" to protect polar bears, even though their habitat is shrinking and ice floes are vanishing due to global warming.

    The choice for animals is especially clear now that Palin is in the mix. If Palin is put in a position to succeed McCain, it could mean rolling back decades of progress on animal issues.

    Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

    by Scarce on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:14:22 AM PDT

  •  Well of course. (5+ / 0-)

    Nature has a liberal bias! (in both senses)

    Not really a tough decision for anyone who thinks the sciences (in particular life-sciences) are important.

    One ticket supports stem-cell research.
    The other thinks dinosaurs and man co-existed.

    Decisions.. decisions..

  •  oh poo..the economy conspires against republicans (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Re Krugman: I respectfully disagree (1+ / 0-)
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    If you were to take the $800B bailout and divide that by about 200M taxpayers you get $4000 per taxpayer. For a married couple you would have $8000 to spend for Christmas gifts, a new high-efficiency furnace, or down payment on a hybrid car. If they pay down their credit card debt then they are more likely to buy consumer goods, and besides, unwinding our way out of debt is part of the longer term solution. I would even consider a scaled rebate, the smaller your income the larger the rebate, then you would really get a cash infusion into the retail market. The right solution is a 10% surtax on the upper income tax bracket coupled with a massive rebate to consumers. After all, the wealthy accumulate wealth while the rest of us spend it.

  •  You should add the endorsement from (0+ / 0-)
    The Economist. I think it does a great job explaining how many conservatives and Republicans feel.

    Not everyone has to be as gung-ho as us "crazy liberals," but they are behind him.

    All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

    by anna789 on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:28:08 AM PDT

  •  Bush/Palin cost the Nature endorsement (1+ / 0-)
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    With their utter disregard to science.

    But still this is quite unbelievable. Basically, with this endorsement the editors are  taking a huge risk in that the crazy party will up their war on science. Also, they are taking a risk personally as a big chunk of research is funded by the government (not that there is any money in the  government coffers).

    •  Well, no.. (0+ / 0-)

      I'd disagree. As Nature notes, McCain has taken a good stand on Global Warming. But apart from that, his science policy is pretty lackluster.

      It's a bit like his Economic policy.. he's got a few ideas, but nothing like a well-thought out, comprehensive plan. It's just yet another area that McCain just doesn't seem to find very interesting.

      McCain is happy to say 'more science'. But then he talks about spending freezes - leaving you wondering where the money for science is supposed to come from. And his opposition to earmarks play into it as well. Like his idiotic and repeated maligning of a planetarium as a '$3 million overhead projector' and Palin's ridiculing of fruit fly research. (a field which has been immensely important to genetics)

      I don't think they're really taking that big a risk. Nature is a European journal. And the people who decide where the money goes.. committees at the NIH and similar, are pretty far down the ladder from the White House. I doubt McCain would (or could afford) be that petty. Palin obviously isn't (Troopergate) but McCain?

  •  AJC Editorial Board: Handel “Loser” (0+ / 0-)

    Joining the chorus of respected commentarists - see here and here - the Editorial Board of the South’s largest newspaper today eviscerates, mauls, slices and dices the sooooo very Rethuglican Secretary of State of Georgia, Karen Handel:

    As the state’s chief elections officer, Handel must keep the appearance of politics out of her actions. She has failed to do so repeatedly.

  •  I don't know what depresses me more. (2+ / 0-)
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    cdreid, Cofit
    * The fact that five schools (including mine) with a total about 2500 students and staff were in lockdown for 6 hours yesterday...

    * Or the fact that the newspapers this morning only give it cursory mention...

    * Or the fact that a fourteen or fifteen year old kid would think of bringing a handgun to school, let alone know where and how to get one...

    * Or the fact that, after the lockdown started, a mom brought a kid to the front door (late) and when told that we were in lockdown by the cops, broke down and asked "Where do I send my kid while I'm at work?". She works three jobs.

    * Or the fact of cheerful good behaviour of my kids. This is the new normal for them. Their lunch was an hour and a half late, all day with no bathroom breaks except escorted by teachers... Five murders in the neighbourhood this year may not be high by American standards... But its high here.... and the new normal.

    * Or the fact that there exists even a remote possibility that my good friends in the USA may yet have McCain as President. From my perspective, at this late date, and all we have seen, even such a pop vote difference as those in low double digits beggars the imagination.

    It is truly puzzling to me why McCain and co. can garner more than a base of crazies and loonies - maybe 10% of your population. Are there that many misguided people in your land?

    Happy Hallowe'en

    Palin at the Repub Convention: "It was like watching Gidget address the Reichstag" - Matt Taibbi

    by deepfish on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:30:22 AM PDT

    •  To answer your question (3+ / 0-)
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      Are there that many misguided people in your land?

      There are that many bigots in our land.  If Obama were a white guy, McCain would have conceded two months ago.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 05:42:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  P.S. I work for Nature and am so proud! (7+ / 0-)

    All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

    by anna789 on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:31:32 AM PDT

    •  leaders in the field (1+ / 0-)
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      on viral genome sharing, pandemic preparedness, freeing health care workers condemned in Libya to death, and now this.

      I am proud to work with and link them.

      And Declan Butler, one of their senior reporters, is just outstanding, one of the world's best science reporters.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 05:36:13 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I sum up all conservative pundits here: (2+ / 0-)
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    Abra Crabcakeya, Cofit


    My god, we're bitter."

    I'm just here to give DK hipster cred. "Vote" McCain

    by vacuumslayer on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:41:59 AM PDT

  •  Campaign Momentum! Take a peek at our mojo!!! (0+ / 0-)

    Read My Lipstick-You're Bullshit!

    by ladona on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 04:45:04 AM PDT

  •  McCain/Palin are science ignorance boosters (0+ / 0-)

    Comments about "bear DNA", "overhead projectors" and "fruit fly research" makes it clear that they intend to pick up the anti-science baton from Bush and hold it proudly aloft.

    Paul Crowley aka "ciphergoth"

    by ciphergoth on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 05:16:25 AM PDT

  •  I am not surprised that a scientific journal (2+ / 0-)
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    endorsed someone this election, as long as that someone is a Democrat.  I get a feeling that this was more of a stance against the anti-science anti-reality Republicans than it was an endorsement for Obama. Scientists don't care about hope and change; they care about reality.  This makes them the natural enemy of today's Republican Party. There is a war against science and reason in this country, and Nature decided to fight back. Good for them.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 05:16:28 AM PDT

  •  Nature is an ingrate (1+ / 0-)
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    God created nature, and now nature turns against god by endorsing a Democrat?  Now that's pretty low.

    -5.38/-3.74 I've suffered for my country. Now it's your turn! --John McCain with apologies to Monty Python's "Protest Song"

    by Rich in PA on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 05:37:29 AM PDT

  •  A potential unintended consequence... (0+ / 0-)

    ...maybe "socialist" will no longer be a four-letter word in politics.

    I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it. -- Terry Pratchett

    by WestWind on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 05:58:11 AM PDT

  •  and don't forget (1+ / 0-)
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    Shorter Krauthammer

    Large men will come to your house at night and ask you to sign a card supporting a union. You will sign.

    Yes, that is an actual quote from his article.

  •  "you can't run against history" - (0+ / 0-)
    I disagree. The history of the last 8 years has been so spectacularly awful that several Democratic Party primary contenders ran quite well against it. I would have been glad to vote for any one of several of them .
  •  I thought I would die... (1+ / 0-)
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    before i saw David Brooks propose a massive infrastructure reinvestment program here in the US (it seems Iraq is exempt from any constraints of conservatism).

  •  McCain's Seinfeld campaign. (2+ / 0-)
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    Vicky, Cofit

    The campaign about nothing.  

  •  I'm done scapegoating Palin (0+ / 0-)

    Let me be clear:  I hope her political career is over after this.  If she shows up in Iowa to campaign for the caucuses in a couple of years, I hope our Republicans have the sense to laugh her out of the state.

    But McCain and his handlers need to bear the responsibility for what has happened to their campaign.  The hatred and bumbling started long before she was on the ticket.  Palin played her part in that, no doubt, but to blame her for the failure of this campaign is to let the rest of them off the hook.

    And by "failure", I'm not saying we have this election sewed up.  Should McCain win, he'll have poisoned the well so badly that he won't be able to govern effectively.  That will be a bigger failure than a mere loss.

  •  Woot! Nature has this tendency to (0+ / 0-)

    think critical thinking and attention to data are important. Glad to hear that the journal would make a good vote of it - that was not a question, but it's too cool that they mentioned it :)

    And remember... if you don't like the news, go out and make some of your own.
    - Scoop Nisker, the Last News Show

    by pixxer on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 09:15:26 AM PDT

  •  Nature endorsement (0+ / 0-)

    Nature: This journal does not have a vote, and does not claim any particular standing from which to instruct those who do. But if it did, it would cast its vote for Barack Obama.

    The Economist: The Economist does not have a vote, but if it did it would cast it for Mr. Obama.

  •  Ah, Zorn's article... (0+ / 0-)

    #8 made me chuckle...

    Good thing, Johnny, you took off some time from your campaign and CLEARLY helped the economy by doing so!  I'm so glad I got employed the moment you announced it!

    Love it love it love it.

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