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What a wonderful new day in America. The people have risen up and placed Obama and Democrats in charge of redirecting the future of our country. But, my overwhelming joy is tempered by great sadness that Prop 8 has passed here in California.

A majority of my neighbors have voted to deny basic rights to our other neighbors, based on strict and narrow ideology. How can this be, that on a day when we have elevated our first black man as President, that we have also voted to push down another group of Americans? How can those that supported Prop 8 not see that they have empowered the "big government" they so fear to brutishly deny rights to a selected group of Americans?

How can I, in purity of heart, celebrate openly? How can I truly feel this is a new day for my country, for my children, knowing that millions of other Americans have today had society tell them they are less worthy of the basic human dignity to love whom they choose to love?

Help me understand this. Perhaps this is one of the great challenges that Barack so eloquently metered the celebration with last night? Or, did we simply shuffle one triumph with another loss?

Brothers and sisters, today is a bright new day for all of us. Today is a dark new day for many of us. Today should be bittersweet for all of us.

Originally posted to pfeester on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 10:55 AM PST.


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  •  At least the legal challenges are starting (3+ / 0-)
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    SallyCat, dave1042, KentuckyKat

    What took so long?

  •  Talking people out of California vacations (4+ / 0-)

    I have some friends here in BC, a lesbian couple, who were contemplating a vacation to Disneyland soon.  I don't think they are aware of the proposition, so I will let them know this afternoon and they can change their vacation plans accordingly.  No sense in spending all that money in a state where they are considered inferior citizens whose love is "unconstitutional".

    •  yep - and have them let CA know (2+ / 0-)
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      SallyCat, Killer of Sacred Cows

      they didn't travel because of it.

      it's more than a bump in the road, but it's also not the end of the story.

      Join Soulforce-seeking Justice for God's GLBT children.
      Time to change the mindset - Obama 'O8!

      by its simple IF you ignore the complexity on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 11:00:31 AM PST

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    •  As A Straight Married Man (2+ / 0-)
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      pfeester, Killer of Sacred Cows

      Who believes strongly in civil liberties and personal happiness, it really sucks that this Prop might pass.

      I mean it really, really sucks.

      But, there are a couple of reasons to still be hopeful.

      1. There are still something like three million absentee ballots that have no been counted. It is widely believed that absentee ballots in this state break in favor of Democrats.
      1. I don't know the number, but there are provisional ballots to be counted as well.
      1. If neither above point overcomes the Yes lead; there is an army of lawyers waiting to file lawsuits and fight this.

      I live in L.A. county, just outside the city. I've seen the crazies who insist that hating and discriminating against a certain segment of society, (even though they don't personally believe that's what they're doing), is the proper way for them to act. And for the rest of us to tolerate.

      There were many of us who opposed them. We had our signs up. We phone banked. We talked to the other side calmly. We also argued with the other side loudly. But, sometimes there's just no way to change a mind that has been programmed to believe something for so long.

      The other problem I have is that the ballot itself was confusing. Many people I spoke with weren't sure if "Yes" meant "For" gay marriage. Again, I don't have a number, but I do think a little more understanding of the wording would have helped.


      But more importantly, please don't blame the entire state. There are angry, intolerant idiots all over America, not just in California. Many of us here are not just disgusted with this vote ~ we're embarrassed.

      And we'll keep on fighting.

  •  I couldn't vote in your poll. (2+ / 0-)
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    SallyCat, Killer of Sacred Cows

    It ain't merely a bump in the road.  Nothing that does this kind of damage to civil rights is that.  But we are strong and we're headed the right way and we've got the young people on our side, which means we'll get there.

  •  I know it's a raw wound today, but... (1+ / 0-)
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    I thought Andrew Sullivan's post was a good take.

    Andrew Sullivan's post

    ...So we get back to work, arguing, talking, speaking, debating, writing, blogging, and struggling to change more minds. The hope for equality can never be extinguished, however hard our opponents try. And in the unlikely history of America, there has never been anything false about hope.

    Although I do take issue with his reliance on the exit polls as A) they were wrong, showing a 52-48 defeat and B) the blame for this should be placed where it belongs...and to do that "just follow the money."

  •  It is incredible that we allow (1+ / 1-)
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    people to vote on social issues.  States and the people in them should not get a vote or a say when it comes to social issues that matter to them because they may vote differently them we want them to.  It is better that we let judges decide what is best for us.

  •  Why worry? Prop 8 is DOA in the Courts. (0+ / 0-)

    Just like the Right's anti-immigrant Prop. Where's that? Oh yeah, we snaked it. Buh bye, Prop 8.

  •  Don't like any of the poll choices (2+ / 0-)
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    pfeester, kck

    It's more than a bump, and I can't concede the Fundies have "won" anything.

    This coupled with Charlie Brown's plight in CA-04 has really tempered what would have been a gleeful day otherwise.

    No on Prop 8! Because bigotry is sooo last century.

    by LaughingPlanet on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 11:45:16 AM PST

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