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In lobbying hard and spending millions of dollars to defeat gay marriage in California, the Church of Latter Day Saints has gone too far.

If you're as disgusted as I am that Prop 8 passed, click on the link and follow the steps necessary to remind the Mormon Church that this country was founded on the principle of separation of Church and State.  You dont have to live in CA to do this, and if you dont live in CA and have only a peripheral knowledge of what's been going on, the Mormon Church spent millions of dollars on the Yes on 8 campaign.  

Here's how to ask the IRS to revoke the Mormon Church's tax-exempt status.
All the forms and every thing you need.

This issue transcends sexual preference. It is a human and civil rights issue. Please take the time to make your voice heard!

Originally posted to samc1959 on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 05:55 AM PST.

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  •  Tip it and Rec it (21+ / 0-)

    We, straight and gay, need to get behind this! Read my previous diary on it too, just food for thought.

    •  I live in Southern California, (2+ / 0-)
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      spiceagony, Cassandra Waites

      sometimes on my way home from work, I tune into local talk radio. Two shock jocks who I don't always agree with, they seem to be two libertarian conservatives, who are always beating the drum against illegal immigration and high taxes. Most of the time they sound crazy, but sometimes they make perfect sense.
      Yesterday they were reporting on the protests against Proposition 8 and how the anti-Prop 8 people were targeting the Mormon church, since it was their money that helped to pass it.
      Since they are libertarians, they have no problem with "gay marriage". What they had a big problem with was, their words, not mine, "religious nuts taking rights away from people."
      That is exactly what happened here with Prop 8 passing. In America we have a separation between church and state, and here in California we had religious groups shoving their religious beliefs down the throats of the people of California. These groups like to say, the Constitution doesn't guarantee "freedom from religion", but "freedom of religion". If that is true, and the reason the Constitution guaranteed "freedom of religion", means that all Americans were guaranteed that freedom, it means no religion should dictate what is legal and illegal here in the U.S. The Mormon church and other organized religions used their power and their money to actually take rights away from fellow Americans. This is wrong, this is very wrong. People can have their opinions about gay marriages and some may not agree it is proper, they may feel it is making a mockery out of marriage, and they are entitled to those beliefs under our form of government, but they also have no state guaranteed right to force their beliefs on all of us. If they are allowed to get away with this, what is next?
      They should lose their tax exempt status. If they don't contribute into our system, then they can not tell the system how it should operate.
      America, the last thing we need is to fight to preserve rights for all Americans while tax exempt organizations fight to take these rights away.
      Religions have tax exempt status because some actually do things for the public good, like help the poor and feed the hungry, when they put themselves into the law making process, then they should be taxed like the rest of us.
      Allowing them to get away with this is outrageous, and it actually makes me fearful of what they will do next. Haven't we been fighting in the mid-east to bring Democracy to countries that have been guided over the years by religious nuts. How can we tell these folks that Democracy is better when we are letting religions dictate our laws here in the U.S. Why are we fighting the Taliban? I thought it was because they were standing in the way of Democracy and equality.

    •  This is something that (0+ / 0-)

      I'd like to see come Jan. 20, definitely. Won't it be nice to get the DOJ to actually enforce the law? And there is absolutely a case here to be made against some offending churches. Tax exemption is a powerful tool that has been and will be used to keep these organizations from abusing their platforms.

  •  Mormons and welfare fraud (5+ / 0-)

    Some studies suggest that Mormons commit welfare fraud at a higher rate than the rest of the population, especially Mormons that practice polygamy. Basically, each "wife" applies as a single mother with however many kids and they lecture everyone else about "values." I guess that makes them staunch GOPocrites.

  •  Say it early... (8+ / 0-)

    and say it often!

    Churches are tax exempt and therefore are to stay out of politics. In politics? Pay up.

    Imagine the cascading effect such a victory would have on what's left of the Christo-fascist wing of the Rethugs.

    "the people have the power to redeem the work of fools" --Patti Smith

    by Immigrant Punk on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 06:01:32 AM PST

  •  Did the members of the chruch give (2+ / 0-)
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    Adam B, wdrath

    or the church itself? That's issue here. If the individual members gave and not the church itself, how can you make this argument work?

    •  I had the same question (0+ / 0-)

      But here's among the first links I saw:

      The church largely stays out of politics. But in this case, the Salt Lake City-based church has sent letters, held video conferences and in church meetings asked for volunteers to support the campaign.


      The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is part of a coalition of conservative groups backing Proposition 8, which would overturn the California Supreme Court decision that legalized same-sex marriage in the nation's most populous state by amending the state constitution to limit marriage to a man and a woman.

      ...During Wednesday's taped satellite broadcast, church leaders asked for 30 members from each California congregation to donate four hours a week to the campaign. They also called on young married couples and single Mormons to use the Internet, text messaging, blogging and other forms of computer technology to help pass the initiative, saying the church has created a new Web site — — with materials they can download and post on their own social networking sites.
      ... Officially, the Mormon church is politically neutral and does not endorse individual candidates or political parties. The church does, however, weigh in on issues it considers morally important. ... Its involvement in the California same-sex marriage debate this year began with a letter from church President Thomas S. Monson asking California Mormons to give their time and money to pass Proposition 8. Monson's letter has been read repeatedly in Mormon churches, and opponents of the forthcoming initiative have credited LDS members with giving the Yes on 8 camp an edge in donations and volunteers.

    •  Did huge numbers of individuals give to defeat (2+ / 0-)
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      Temmoku, Cassandra Waites

      something in another state all on their own in this economy?  It isn't just the church or individual members giving money, it's where the directive came from to tell the individuals that this was an issue that required mass donations into another state - especially in this economy.

      •  Um, sure. (0+ / 0-)

        How many people here gave money to defeat candidates outside their state?  How much did Orange to Blue raise?

      •  I read above, BUT (0+ / 0-)

        I can easily believe that YES these people could do so w/o being explicitly being told by their church. Keep in mind, it wasn't only LDS but also Catholics who gave alot. Just like there's Catholic "culture" there's Mormon "culture" too...this applies to all groups.

        I never discount a cultural pressure to accomplish something w/o involving direct organizational involvement.

        •  So... (0+ / 0-)

          You believe that Mormons, en masse and without direction from their leadership, decided to get on busses and airplanes and fly out to CA, to send their money, and to coordinate their efforts (without coordination, remember?). Something stinks, churches have been overstepping their bounds for 8 years, they've been abusing their platform and the tax laws of this country. It's time to start taking away the tax exempt status of the offending churches, they can then get it back when they stop breaking the law. This isn't dismantling religion, it isn't attacking churches, it is enforcing the laws of the United States, which is something that we haven't been doing under Bush.

          Or we could waffle and say that this is normal, that all churches do it and that's ok like so many here seem to be doing. Surely things won't get worse, will they?

    •  I think because the pulpits in these Churches (0+ / 0-)

      were used to motivate people to contribute to this cause. There is no doubt in my mind that is what was done. Rather than preach God's word, they choose to preach political power. Rather than following Christ, they are making a mockery out of his teachings. I was raised as a Catholic, and my understanding of the teachings of Christ was to be tolerant and help those who need help. What happened to "render unto God what is God's and render unto Caesar what is Caesar's."

  •  Also Boycott Utah (0+ / 0-)

    I would encourage all americans who despise this kind of hate, to avoid the state of Utah.

  •  Excellent Idea. Thanks and WILL DO! n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Left church/ right church (0+ / 0-)

    Be careful for what you wish.  The Civil Rights movement was greatly encouraged and directed by a church.  The support for the establishment of Israel out of the ashes of the Holocaust came from a temple.  The hopes of the Palestinian people for their homeland is inspired by a mosque.  The Catholic church is central in the cause of economic equality in this hemisphere's poorer nations.  The option of taxing all churches is a non-starter as those of us who vigorously support the separation of church from state should understand.  So while we wish the churches would always support the positions we take, that is unrealistic to expect.  I do await any action by the IRS on those houses of worship which directly endorsed candidates, from the pulpit, in this election.  

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