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Hope the Dems won’t mind losing the House in 2010
The gist of the post is that the economy, and specifically the rocketing unemployment numbers, may derail the gains the Dems have worked so hard to achieve over the past 4 years.

The reason- most voters are still in that "squishy middle"- where the phrase "what have you done for me lately" overrides almost all other considerations. They may easily not realize that the Bush disaster will take a long time to repair and decide to "throw the bums out" once again in 2010. Regardless of whatever measures Obama and the legislature take over the next year, all indications are that the economy is headed for an iceberg and we all know the old saw about trying to turn a battleship on a dime- probably will not happen in two years or probably longer.

I really hope I am off base here and somehow a miracle occurs with the economy...I am certainly no expert in that area. And maybe my lack of faith in the electorate is misplaced. We will find ut in two years....

Originally posted to mcrowther on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM PST.

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  •  I'm not worried about the Dems losing anything (4+ / 0-)

    in 2010. I haven't seen any evidence that Republicans are aware the game has changed. Finally the right-wing radio fucknuts are helping us with thir refusal to point fingers of blame.

    Sarah Palin is helping Dems keep their seats by staying in the mainstream, and they are bringing three-time adulterer Newt Gingrich out of retirement again. I hope they keep bringing these immoral assholes out and shoving them down the throats of their supporters.

    Barack Obama is going to do an excellent job. If the Senate and Congress don't start pulling their heads out of their asses, we might not want them back anyway.

    On November 4, 2008 the nice guys finished FIRST!

    by voracious on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:14:17 PM PST

    •  I'm also not worried about the Democrats. (0+ / 0-)

      This recession/depression is going to be catastrophic; hate to say it, but it's going to get much worse, folks.  And all the Republicans can do is grandstand on both sides of the bail-out (presidential candidate, President and Senate: for; House: against) and rant on and on and on about...tax cuts?!?!  This debacle belongs to Bush and the Republicans, and America knows it.  It's the final verdict on supply-side economics and slash-and-burn deregulation.  Let "supply-sider" become the new label one side pins on the other side's candidate to make him or her unelectable.

      Obama's got his work cut out for him.  Don't expect a miracle, but if Obama and the Democrats can soften the blow, America will thank them for it.  And there's no way in hell America lets the Republicans borrow the keys to the economy any time soon.

  •  The more Obama enfranchises people (3+ / 0-)
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    wvhillrunner, publicv, dwayne

    by letting them volunteer to be part of an efficacious solution, the more patience the American people will have.

    Obama has always shied from the usual political rhetoric that says that if you put him in office he'll take care of everything. He has said that if we put him in office we—with the power of the Presidency alongside us—can take care of everything.

    To the extent that he walks the talk, and gets some crucial bills passed quickly, he should be OK.

    No laws but Liberty. No king but Conscience.

    by oldjohnbrown on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:18:04 PM PST

  •  The American people are not patient. (2+ / 0-)
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    wvhillrunner, publicv

    They are oblivious.  I would swear that they are semi-sedated by all the fear mongering and confusion over the war on terror and now the economic downfall of all they believed in for the past 30 years.

    ...do the elites...actually believe that society can be destroyed by anyone except those who lead them? - John Ralston Saul -

    by Silverbird on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:27:09 PM PST

  •  no patience (2+ / 0-)
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    Silverbird, publicv

    They have no patience.  Just this afternoon I heard co-workers bitching about the stock market being down (they watch their retirement accounts obsessively).  They are already blaming it on Obama through some warped logic that I don't even try to understand.
    At the same time they are unrealistically hopeful.  I got out of stocks some time ago and discussed it with a few people.  One of them asked me if I've gotten back in since Obama won.  No, I haven't.  We're at the beginning of a recession, at best.  Things will get worse before they get better.  It may be a year before I even revisit the issue.
    He thinks I'm crazy.  That "it" always comes back. And "now that we got rid of Bush" everything will be rosy.
    Obama is going to have it rough as hell.  

    •  they get their "ideas" from Rush Limbaugh (1+ / 0-)
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      wvhillrunner

      But when they lose their jobs they might start facing reality.

    •  Amazingly, (1+ / 0-)
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      wvhillrunner

      about half the people I asked about where they kept their money (401ks, the stock market, bonds, annuities?) told they have been out of the market for years or never were in it.  These people, considered pretty well off, have kept their money in savings accounts in deposit banks or in CDs in deposit banks.  My mother in law said she go out of the stock market 30 years ago, and she lives a comfortable life in NYC.

      I do think the push to get us all into a 401k was unwise since so few us have have any clue at all about what to do to earn a profit in the stock market, yet is was always subject to being lost.  After a few years I too went into bank savings because even though the retun was low the exposure to loss was nill.

      ...do the elites...actually believe that society can be destroyed by anyone except those who lead them? - John Ralston Saul -

      by Silverbird on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:43:11 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Great to save (0+ / 0-)

        except if your bank goes under.  Don't forget so many banks have had to be  bailed out and the FDIC limits raised 150 %

        •  True but it is easier to watch (0+ / 0-)

          banks to know if they are sound.  And use more than one bank for deposits.  No place is without any risk at all when you think about it.  Having more money that one needs is a pain in the neck.  Sufficiency is preferable to excess.

          ...do the elites...actually believe that society can be destroyed by anyone except those who lead them? - John Ralston Saul -

          by Silverbird on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 01:51:46 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  More to the point, what will they do when (0+ / 0-)

    their patience runs out.  I've been out of patience for quite some time now.  

    42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. A Wrightism

    by publicv on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:28:48 PM PST

  •  sink or swim with the recession (0+ / 0-)

    If the recession is over in two years, which most recessions are, Obama will get the creidt and the Dems will dominate the elections. If not, then the Dems will certainly be held to blame and will lose many many seats.

    Law is a light which in different countries attracts to it different species of blind insects. Nietzsche

    by Marcion on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:33:16 PM PST

  •  That's why (1+ / 0-)
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    Silverbird

    Dems need to start framing this debate right now.  They need to impress upon the American people that because of the policies of the last 30 years, it will take time to correct, and that just because a new president is in office doesn't negate the effects of the policies of the previous administration.  

  •  Tax cuts for the wealthy won't win votes (0+ / 0-)

    in 4 years any better than it did this year.  The economy will still suck in 4 years, but the repubs will need a positive, activist message to compete.  Unfortunately for them that is contrary to doctrine.  Reagan nostalgia is not going to help either.

  •  Given that they tolerated 8 years... (1+ / 0-)
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    skip945

    ...of Bushco? Pretty patient, I would imagine.

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