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Dartmouth College: home of the controversial conservative publication Dartmouth Review, from whence came in the 1980s Laura Ingraham, Dinesh D'Souza and all sorts of ugly mishegoss.  If you were in college back in the 1980s and 1990s, that's what Dartmouth was known for -- being a petri dish for some of worst in gay-bashing and race-baiting in America.

New decade, new America, and a new politics coming from Hanover, NH:

Vanessa Sievers, a Dartmouth College junior, was not content to wait tables or make coffee as a side job. Instead she ran for treasurer of Grafton County, N.H., and won, unseating the incumbent and unleashing a war of words.

The current county treasurer, Carol Elliott, 68, called Ms. Sievers, 20, a "teenybopper" in an interview with a local newspaper, The Valley News, and said she had won only because "brainwashed college kids" had voted for the Democratic ticket.

Ms. Sievers beat Ms. Elliott by 586 votes out of about 42,000 cast, and won big in Hanover, home to Dartmouth, and Plymouth, home to both Ms. Elliott and Plymouth State University.

Ms. Sievers, now a New Hampshire resident, said she has worked as a bookkeeper and served on the school board in Livingston, Mont., while a student there.

"I have always been interested in finance and involved in politics, which are the reasons why I decided to run," she said.

Ms. Sievers’s big investment in the campaign was a $51 advertisement on Facebook, which she paid for with her own money.

"I took advantage of new media, and she did not," Ms. Sievers said.

This is how the Christian Coalition did it two decades ago, and how we must do it now: bit by bit, row office by row office, county by county, Democrats need to organize, run, gain experience, gain credentials and gain power.

The fifty-state strategy is also a 435 congressional district strategy, and it permeates into every elected office on the local level.  Age is no object, as Sievers notes:

I don't know why people think college students are less informed than other members of the community. A lot of students get very, very involved in their communities, are extraordinarily involved in politics in the area, in doing community service, everything.  I think college students are connected, and sometimes know more than the 'real' citizens. ... I think we're just as real citizens as anyone else in the county.

2006 and 2008 were only the start -- when are you going to run for office?  What's your next step?

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:15 PM PST.

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  •  let me be way off the topic here (8+ / 0-)

    Where are the Dixie chicks??????
    I love them and their music,and their politics eevn more.
    Girls you have been vindicated,
    You chicks you rock !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    American dream is a myth!

    by brown american on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:18:29 PM PST

  •  D'Souza, Dartmouth?? (4+ / 0-)
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    exotrip, wiscmass, MooseHB, zukesgirl64

    I think I used to run into him on Usenet. Still crazy after all these years I see.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:18:34 PM PST

  •  And they said (13+ / 0-)

    the 50 state strategy would never work...


    Are you ready to unleash the fury of CAPS LOCK?!

    by giyoret on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:19:12 PM PST

    •  Well, Hanover NH Has Long Been One of the Most... (7+ / 0-) areas in New England.  Dems for state and national office regularly get over 70% of the vote.  And while Dartmouth certainly was an incubator for so-called conservative "thought" for a long time, the student body isn't really all that different politically from several other Ivys.  

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by Dana Houle on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:26:21 PM PST

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      •  Jeffrey Hart (1+ / 0-)
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        Retired Dartmouth English prof, conservative columnist, and Dartmouth Review advisor, endorsed Obama way back in the primaries.

        •  He endorsed Kerry, too. Like Buckley, (1+ / 0-)
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          he's a country club conservative, and disdains the neocons.

          Still, the group he nurtured are the same asshats who attempted to take over the Dartmouth Board of Trustees.

          As someone who straddled the eighties and nineties in Hanover, it was especially delicious to see Hart, ye olde bastion of wingers in my college years, kick them to the curb.

          We must especially beware of that small group of selfish men who would clip the wings of the American Eagle in order to feather their own nests. FDR, via Maddow

          by vome minnesota on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:55:52 PM PST

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      •  Nope you are wrong. (0+ / 0-)

        At least when I was applying, it was so different that I did not apply.  I can think of numerous other Ivys that were distinctively different during my college days.  And I went to a college that was surprisingly "conservative" at the time, but it was nothing like Dartmouth.

        •  I graduated in '81. (1+ / 0-)
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          The Dartmouth Review people were really loud but a small group, there were also groups of lefties, but the main part of the student body was pretty apolitical. The culture was straight, frat-oriented, and most students headed into business.

        •  what the hell do you know if you weren't there? (0+ / 0-)

          Get a life....

          First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win - Gandhi

          by mysticlaker on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:43:54 PM PST

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        •  Um, No. I'm Not (2+ / 0-)
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          If you look at what I wrote, I'm not discussing the makeup of the student body of the 70's or 80's.  I'm talking about now.  And based on my interactions with plenty of Dartmouth students when I was running an election campaign in that area in 2006, and the assessments of one of the people at DKos who taught a full load of classes there for two years, and who previously taught at another Ivy, I'll go with all their statements that the student body is mildly liberal, and nothing like the stereotype one my accept if one thought of the school in terms of its past or the Dartmouth Review.  

          The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

          by Dana Houle on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:44:22 PM PST

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          •  When I was there (1+ / 0-)
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            vome minnesota

            in the 80s, it was slightly conservative, and largely apolitical.  The Ingraham/D'Souza crowd was loud, and often laughed at -- and there was a fair amount of negative feeling toward them, that they were tearing the fabric of the College "family" apart with their distortions and lies.

            Life is full of surprises, and there is always hope. - Ruth Reichl

            by Hope Despite All on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:00:02 PM PST

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          •  You are absolutely correct. (1+ / 0-)
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            The wankers peaked in the mid 1980s when they made the cover of Rolling Stone for shanty bashing.

            I started at Dartmouth a couple years later, with a new college President, James Freedman. I know I changed, but the college changed during that time, too, as women became less of a minority.

            When I started, men still yelled the old song "Men of Dartmouth" more as a message. By the time I was a senior, more than a couple of football-playing guys I knew mentioned that they would have never gone to Dartmouth if there were no women.

            In 1990, 70% of students polled were pro-choice. My first year, the repub candidates came through to debate, and when H.W. won, I remember hearing chants of "Quayle Ninety-six!"  By the last year there, the mood and the tone had changed.

            I'm not surprised that current students are more politically engaged -- it's happening all over.  I don't remember people being terribly politically engaged until the 1992 election, but that was just my perception...

            We must especially beware of that small group of selfish men who would clip the wings of the American Eagle in order to feather their own nests. FDR, via Maddow

            by vome minnesota on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:15:18 PM PST

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      •  While I didn't attend the college .. (0+ / 0-)

        ..... I work for their medical center in nearby Lebanon, NH.

             And the Review's influence has waned somewhat over the years. As long as the right wing pays the bills, they'll have a voice. Yet the campus seemed fairly pro-Obama, near as I can tell.

             DH is correct in that Hanover has long been a blue town - all of their reps in the NH State Legislature have been Democrats.

             What's changed is that Lebanon once had all GOP representation - today, the state reps are all Dems.

             All of that has taken place the last twenty years, and reflects the change statewide. Barack Obama carried all ten counties in the state.

        "We should pay attention to that man behind the curtain."

        by Ed Tracey on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:20:23 PM PST

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    •  re 50 State Strategy......did it work? (1+ / 0-)
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      Hell no!!!! A couple states went for McCain. Whats with that? Still a lot of work to do!

      it tastes like burning...

      by eastvan on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:10:04 PM PST

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    •  OMG ... today I read that the national GOP (0+ / 0-)

      has now adopted the "50-state-strategy", without attribution I might add.

      "Let us not look back to the past with anger, nor towards the future with fear, but look around with awareness." James Thurber

      by annan on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:15:04 PM PST

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  •  I love it when this happens (4+ / 0-)

    Lock Haven, Pa. is home to Lock Haven University of Pa. (really creative, I know).

    Check this out:

    (Lock Haven Mayor Rick) Vilello reminded (student council) senators that in the past November election, two LHU students won elections for city offices. Patrick Johnson was elected as Lock Haven City Treasurer and Jim Manser was elected to city council.

    The ones who run for office do care about their communities and just might stick around and contribute after graduation.

    And Vilello is a great guy. I met him when he was running for the Dem nomination for Pa.-05.

    Mr. President,...(a)fter 9/11, what would your biggest mistake be, would you say, and what lessons have you learned from it?

    by Casual Wednesday on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:19:43 PM PST

  •  This was one of my favorites (5+ / 0-)

    As far as election stories go this one is one of the greats.  I hope she can do a great job between school and her other jobs.  All it takes is one at a time and I think she may be one to watch in the future.

    "We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give." -Winston Churchill

    by MicahT0078 on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:20:29 PM PST

    •  It looks like there may be a trend up there (2+ / 0-)
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      Karen Liot Hill, the new mayor of Lebanon, NH, just down the road from Dartmouth, is a young Dartmouth alum as well:

      Karen Liot Hill ‘00, former program coordinator for the Rockefeller Center, was elected Mayor of Lebanon, N.H., by the Lebanon City Council last month. Hill served on the city council for two years.

      As mayor, Hill leads the city council, which approves the town budget and establishes town policy, Hill said.

      Hill, a Democrat, identified herself as a Republican before coming to Dartmouth, and changed her party allegiance after campaigning for Democratic Presidential Primary candidate Howard Dean in 2004, she said. Dean motivated Hill to remain involved in politics and run for office, she said.

      “He said you get a D for voting, a C for working on a campaign,” Hill said. “And you get an A if you run for office.”

      Shortly after Dean’s campaign ended, Hill ran for Lebanon’s city council.

      “I had been reading the papers, and I knew that the city council had been stuck in a stalemate,” she said. “I’m a real action-oriented person, and I thought, ‘Here’s where I can make a difference.’”

      After defeating the incumbent, Hill discovered the city council was not what she expected, she said.


      Despite the frustrations she sometimes experiences with the council, Hill said she feels that she is solidifying her political identity although she still struggles with the idea of being a leader.

      “People who want to be in politics tend to have egos,” she said. “How do you manage that? Make sure you’re leading with integrity? That your actions and words are aligned and that you’re doing your best?”

      Sadhana Hall, associate director of student and public programs at the Rockefeller Center, said Hill is the first female Dartmouth alumna to serve as mayor of any city, to the best of her knowledge, although The Dartmouth could not confirm this statement.

  •  I'd run against Ted Gaines (1+ / 0-)
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    Brooke In Seattle

    for California Assembly if I didn't have such an "interesting" past. . .

    American democracy broke /renewed my heart -- and I /still don't have health care.

    by LindaR on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:20:55 PM PST

  •  Good for her... (5+ / 0-)

    I hope she does a GREAT job.  I have had new grads work for me and VERY experienced engineers work for me.  The performance was based on the ability to learn, willingness to work, creativity of their approach and wisdom to ask others when they needed help.  NOT their age.

  •  Perpetual truism: all politics is local. n/t (2+ / 0-)
  •  Speaking of Dartmouth (1+ / 0-)
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    Elwood Dowd

    Any idea how the election for alumni association officers is going or went?

    My daughter was getting lots of mail about it this spring ... seems the wingers were trying for an electoral coup ... but more moderate/liberal folks were fighting back.

  •  Damn, she's 20 years old? (10+ / 0-)

    In Vermont, 22 year old Democrat Kesha Ram just won one seat in a 2 person district in the VT Legislature, representing the UVM/Hill section of Burlington along with David Zuckerman (a Progressive). They had a few bitter exchanges during the campaign but Kesha is determined to represent the folks in that area.

    I have thought about running for political office where I live. It's not a priority as serving on VT Native American Commission is my first priority and also my first exposure to working on a state committee. If my experience works out well and I am motivated enough, I shall seek out a political office.

    Conservatives are close-minded, shallow, superficial people that live in a fantasy world where everything is black and white and there are NO shades of gray.

    by Brad007 on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:24:19 PM PST

  •  I did run for office this year. (14+ / 0-)
    I lost.

    This is my sig line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

    by djtyg on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:24:20 PM PST

    •  Keep at it, djtyg. (5+ / 0-)

      My best wishes for your next run.

      -8.38, -7.74 "Keep it confused. Feed it with useless information. I wonder if I have a television set handy?" - Doctor Who (1967)

      by Wreck Smurfy on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:27:34 PM PST

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    •  "...when are you going to run for office?" (8+ / 0-)

      I ran for town board in 1995 and lost to a 16 year repub incumbent by 29 votes(out of 1200). This in a town where repubs outnumber dems by more than 2 to 1.

      I ran again last year and lost to a 20 year repub incumbent by only 8 votes. There was a vacancy on the board and the remaining 4 repubs voted to appoint me to fill the position until this year's election.

      The repubs decided not to run anyone against me this year and I finally won! Although running unopposed, it wouldn't seem like a big deal, but I got more votes than any of my previous opponents ever had. That's now my base.

      I have to run again next year in likely free-for-all, and I have high hopes that I will win.

      It took me 20 years of public service, much of it volunteer work,  to convince the people of my fairly conservative town to vote for me. Taking these offices doesn't always happen overnight, it sometimes takes a lot of effort and community outreach to achieve public office.

      Don't ever give up and know that you can prevail.

      "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war." -9.75, -8.41

      by RonV on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:48:28 PM PST

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    •  So did I (0+ / 0-)

      Of course, I didn't make a serious run, so there you go. I challenged Rob Andrews in the Democratic primary, as a write-in. I got about five votes.

  •  To be fair to Dartmouth... (8+ / 0-)

    I was there in the late '80s and most of us looked at the Review guys in much the same way you would look at someone too drunk to stand under their own power.  With a mix of pity and amusement.

    The back page of the Review had some a nice page of famous and not-so-famous quotes on it that was nice to read.  Honestly, I weep when I think of the trees that died for that rag.

    •  were you there in the spring of 1992 (4+ / 0-)
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      when the Harvard Lampoon replaced all the real Dartmouth Reviews in the Dorms with their own copies, pix of Hitler in lederhosen on the cover, blaring "Spring Fashion Issue"?

      The whole back page had Hitler "quotes" including:

      "Waiter, take back this juice. I hate juice! Wait, I'm getting ideas..."


      "What I really want to do is direct."

      I think I still have copies packed away somewhere in my house...

      We must especially beware of that small group of selfish men who would clip the wings of the American Eagle in order to feather their own nests. FDR, via Maddow

      by vome minnesota on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:24:34 PM PST

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  •  This is great. (5+ / 0-)

    Just because you don't have burning desire for the limelight of high office doesn't mean that local office isn't for you.  Local office isn't chopped liver either.  Local officials often have more effect of the lives of local area citizens than people in high office.  Responsible jobs too.

  •  as a dartmouth alum from the 90's BS! (2+ / 0-)

    There was occasional stuff that you reference above about, but most was COMPLETELY overblown. It was a self-perpetuing sterotype that most students laughed at.

    I am an asian american alum who had friends from every walk of life, every economic status. We just liked to drink beer, study, and talk about how hard it was to meet chicks. Sounds pretty normal, and felt very normal.

    First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win - Gandhi

    by mysticlaker on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:27:19 PM PST

  •  Seriously. Get involved LOCALLY. nt (3+ / 0-)

    "The real war will never get in the books." - Walt Whitman

    by otheruser on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:27:29 PM PST

  •  Y'know, most college students (1+ / 0-)
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    ...are more informed than their parents or grandparents, simply by virtue of being fully immersed in the knowledge economy that is the modern university, with all of its breadth and depth. Most adults simply don't have the wherewithal to access that kind of info easily, much less find the time to absorb it. I suggest that certain person consider this before labeling us all as "teenyboppers" or what have you.

    Way to engage to engage the future generations, Republicans!

    •  Would you like to rephrase this? (0+ / 0-)

      Most adults simply don't have the wherewithal to access that kind of info easily, much less find the time to absorb it.

      Because this statement is flat full of shit. Thank you.

      "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

      by Ivan on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:44:35 PM PST

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  •  A republican beat the dem incumbent for the.... (4+ / 0-)

    ...the statehouse seat here with a very dirty campaign, and I've thought about trying to unseat her two years from now...  Her campaign was so incredibly dirty, I feel that something must be done to get that seat back, if only for honor alone!

    It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)

    by LordMike on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:28:39 PM PST

  •  It's been my experience... (0+ / 0-)

    ...that many college students are far better informed than the comparatively grey-haired fogies who so belittle them. Possibly because their elders figure they're apathetic and never vote, and so feel free to screw them over (see for reference: Republican policy on anything).

  •  I did not apply to Dartmouth in the 80's (2+ / 0-)
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    because it was widely known that not only was there an extremely conservative movement underway there, but also I met a student who had been openly attacked (verbally and socially) on the basis of race.  It was really disappointing to see how completely screwed up that school was.

    •  Also... (0+ / 0-)'s the party school of the Ivy League.

      Harvard '00


    •  widely known that NY are liberal gay lovers! (0+ / 0-)

      That's the same type of logic you just used.

      First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win - Gandhi

      by mysticlaker on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:32:32 PM PST

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      •  Nope. (0+ / 0-)

        When I was in the process of applying there was a really disturbing KKK-esque thing going on there that was horrible - and not in my opinion sufficiently responded to by the administration.  I decided that it was definitely not the place for me.

        •  Just total BS (0+ / 0-)

          There was never any KKK type thing...You are throwing dirt around.

          First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win - Gandhi

          by mysticlaker on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:38:41 PM PST

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          •  umm.. hello? Kappa Kappa Kappa? (1+ / 0-)
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            I think they've since changed their name, but that was the house many Reviewers joined.

            That, however, was the closest anything got to domestic terrorism.

            We must especially beware of that small group of selfish men who would clip the wings of the American Eagle in order to feather their own nests. FDR, via Maddow

            by vome minnesota on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:30:56 PM PST

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        •  get some facts (0+ / 0-)

          It's no better then demonizing what the right does to left.

          First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win - Gandhi

          by mysticlaker on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:39:17 PM PST

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          •  1981 - go back an look at what the (2+ / 0-)
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            metal prophet, esquimaux

            Dartmouth paper was printing about one of its few black students at the time.  It was a national story and it was awful.

            Just because you don't want to belive something does not make it not true.  It was a trully FUCKED UP place and it is no surprise to those of us who were folling the events there that someone like Laura Ingram would come out of that school.  But - and this is important - your level of tolerance for the shit that was going on there might have been much higher than mine - but most people who were freaking out about racism during the Obama campaign would have been totally freaked out about that controversy and the school's response.

            •  The Review did damage (3+ / 0-)
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              many people, including a respected Black professor of music.  The problem for the administration was that it was funded not only by Buckley, but also some wing-nut alums who were still mad that Dartmouth had let women in.  Oh, and got rid of the Indian symbol.  Small but very vocal.  And the President 81-85 or so was not very strong -- came out of business, not academia, was supposed to shore up the finances, but completely failed to deal with the Review problem, or the Indian controversy.  The next president -- I'm forgetting his name momentarily -- did take strong stand: stopped allowing the alumni magazine to print "Indian" letters, for instance, and said "get over it" about women on campus .... and the influence, such as it was, of the Review waned.  

              That said, Dartmouth was never a monolithic campus: we weren't all like that and there was a fair amount of support for those attacked by the Review.  Most students were far more interested in the three basics of life: studying, athletics, and partying.  

              Life is full of surprises, and there is always hope. - Ruth Reichl

              by Hope Despite All on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:20:17 PM PST

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              •  James Freedman, who started at The College (0+ / 0-)

                in 1987. Same year I started, and things did get better while I was there.

                We must especially beware of that small group of selfish men who would clip the wings of the American Eagle in order to feather their own nests. FDR, via Maddow

                by vome minnesota on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:33:22 PM PST

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              •  music professor (0+ / 0-)

                I can't remember the professor's name, but I do recall he was an internationally respected ethno-musicologist. I was a student there when it started. The review planted "students" in his class, and then made up falsehoods about his teaching style and grading system. It was racism in a pure form, practiced unabashedly by the Review.

              •  On the bashing of professors (0+ / 0-)

                The professor in question was a fine scholar, with a specialty on John Coltrane, though his name escapes me at the moment....

                But the class the Review was trying to raise a ruckus about was a joke (really and truly clapping for credit).

                The Review "reporter" harassed the professor Fox News style, with multiple late night calls to his home, and got in deep shit for that, as it was considered a violation of student conduct.

                That "reporter" was also a miserable drunk and a closet transvestite.  No, I am NOT making that shit up.

                Yes We DID!! Thank God. Canada's too friggin' cold.

                by Dan E in Blue Hampshire on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 08:21:39 PM PST

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        •  I graduated mid-80's (0+ / 0-)

          and have no recollection of a KKK thing going on: really, the Review people were more isolated than that.  There was a fair amount of revulsion on campus at their tactics; although some found them amusing. There was a strong anti-apartheid movement there when I was there -- had more numbers than the Review people did, though they were considered more "fringe." Because the left is always more "fringe" than the Right.  

          Overall, I had a good experience there -- though I still cringe to see how far D'Souza and Ingraham have come on Republican welfare.  

          Life is full of surprises, and there is always hope. - Ruth Reichl

          by Hope Despite All on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:09:10 PM PST

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          •  If it makes you feel any better, and since (0+ / 0-)

            he was on the cover of the alumni rag you probably already know, Neal Katyal D'91 led the legal defense for Hamdan all the way to the Supreme Court. And one of Michael Moore's editors for Fahrenheit 9/11 is a '92.

            We must especially beware of that small group of selfish men who would clip the wings of the American Eagle in order to feather their own nests. FDR, via Maddow

            by vome minnesota on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:36:50 PM PST

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      •  Well... (0+ / 0-) be fair, John Kerry won something like 70% of the combined New York City vote (and that's including the conservative bastion of STaten Island) without even campaigning.  So NY, at the very least, significantly leans Dem.

        "An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot." - Thomas Paine

        by Mister Gloom on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 09:57:15 AM PST

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  •  Well, there's an event here in Laf, IN (2+ / 0-)
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    If you live near Lafayette IN (or WL), or are a PU or Ivy Tech student, pls. come to:

    We won the co. for Barack and Nels by about 55-45, which was unprecedented.

    This is a mainly social event, but we're doing some organizing :)


    --The Mad Canvasser of Indiana

    P.S.: 1936 was the last time that a Democratic Presidential candidate from the North won Indiana.

    •  Yes! (0+ / 0-)

      Working Hamilton County I was envious of your win!

      But we did add to the margins and helped put Obama over the top.

      Let's keep Indiana blue!

      "Let us not look back to the past with anger, nor towards the future with fear, but look around with awareness." James Thurber

      by annan on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:10:19 PM PST

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      •  anyone who helped in Indiana ... (1+ / 0-)
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        is deserving of much praise.

        Who would've known ... that we could win Indiana?

        What were we ... lunatics?! Alexrod fanatics? Morons??

        You worked in Indiana.

        My Sibling, My Friend. My fellow Democratic Hoosier ... Cosmic Love Eternal! :D



        (I keep saying this, but few will repeat it. It's supposed to become a slogan around here :)

        •  Desperate? (0+ / 0-)

          Personally, I was so incredibly stressed out by the Bush administration and so inspired by Barack Obama that I was one unstoppable machine. No one could tell me no.

          On the other hand, I really couldn't imagine actually turning Indiana BLUE. That was freakin' amazing.

          Now, I have one very simple goal for the near future: do whatever it takes to make sure that voting machines are fairly allocated in our county so that no voter in our county has to wait 4-5 hours to vote.

          Needless to say, it was the precincts with high Democratic turn out that experienced that particular problem. Can anyone say "partisan election board"?


          "Let us not look back to the past with anger, nor towards the future with fear, but look around with awareness." James Thurber

          by annan on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:34:12 PM PST

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          •  Very interesting ... (1+ / 0-)
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            it seems that there are many issues w/ voting machines, all across the nation!

            •  Non-partisan, national election standards. (0+ / 0-)

              We need to make this happen. It's a national travesty that our national elections are managed by partisan county election boards and partisan Secretaries of State.

              As a credentialed pollwatcher I saw precincts with 2 machines for 500 voters and other precincts with 2 machines for 1000 voters. Guess which precincts were Republican in Indiana? Guess which ones had lines?

              This is local. All of us can begin right where we live to start making a difference by demanding national standards for national elections.

              "Let us not look back to the past with anger, nor towards the future with fear, but look around with awareness." James Thurber

              by annan on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:53:48 PM PST

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  •  I saw this in the Times yesterday (0+ / 0-)

    I wanted to know why this hasn't shown up locally where I live?  I don't mean the story, but I do mean youth outreach to participating and actually getting involved.

    the local Young Democrats get involved -- in other things besides local campaigns, it seems.  I don't recall a candidate under 40 running for a local election here in Tampa Bay...  oh, besides 3rd party candidates that were supposedly part of a covert operation by the local GOP or Dems to thwart the other party during the election.

    Sometimes kids (and I do mean kids) have run for county commission but it's been on the premise of presenting a choice between the incumbent and someone else.  Nothing serious happens.

    So to those up north who at least reached out to Dartmouth -- hats off.  

  •  Oh man, don't put me on the spot like that... (3+ / 0-)
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    annan, zatoichi, norahc

    . . . way too many skeletons in this here closet. I can't run for no office.  I'd be happy to help organize and work the back rooms, though!

  •  Run for office? Hahahahahaha! (4+ / 0-)
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    I probably couldn't even get HIRED by a campaign or administration, much less run for office.

    I was married to a musician for 13 years -- and all that that implies. There are many scary secrets in my closet, and they shall stay there.

    My son has said he wants to run for office some day. I hope by the time he does that parental backgrounds aren't examined too closely.

    Otherwise...I think he's out of luck.

    "It always seems impossible until it's done." - Nelson Mandela

    by Brooke In Seattle on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:31:26 PM PST

    •  heh heh... (0+ / 0-)

      Hey Brooke... Maybe your skeletons and my skeletons can hang out and tell stories. I've been starting to look into city politics in Houston, but I'm only partly serious about it. 1) My psychic closet looks more like my actual garage (post Hurricane Ike) and 2) until my son is out of college I can't afford a city council salary. How's that for sad?

      My son, however, could totally pull it off.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. - Bertrand Russell

      by ljfxiki on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:39:58 PM PST

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  •  I'm running for the Legislature (9+ / 0-)

    in the next election in Nova Scotia. The local association of my party, the NDP, asked me to run, and I've accepted. The nomination may be contested, but all the better. More members, more publicity, more credibility.

    The NDP is the real progressive party here in Canada, and in NS we are the official opposition. We have a very strong chance to form the next government, and I plan to be part of it. Wish me luck!

    -8.38, -7.74 "Keep it confused. Feed it with useless information. I wonder if I have a television set handy?" - Doctor Who (1967)

    by Wreck Smurfy on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:32:59 PM PST

  •  I love this story. (2+ / 0-)
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    Brooke In Seattle, snaglepuss

    It is the perfect example of what happened in the election this year:

    Snotty old Republicans who have no respect for their constituents and don't understand how to use technology got their asses handed to them by "teenyboppers."

    Hope you enjoyed it, Sarah, 'cause we just kicked your silly winking folksy lipsticked ass back to Alaska. For good. Also.

    by Kaili Joy Gray on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:33:35 PM PST

  •  Another Horrible Dartmouth Conservative!! (1+ / 0-)
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    vome minnesota

    Implying that a group of folks who attend to same university are coming from the same political background is no better than what the right does to demonize the left.

    First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win - Gandhi

    by mysticlaker on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:37:21 PM PST

  •  Constitutional amendment, anyone? (0+ / 0-)

    Young county treasurers are a start. Why not have young Representatives -- or hell, even Senators -- if people will vote for them?

  •  The New Hampshire (0+ / 0-)

    State Legislature is very diverse age wise. It's because there are 400 reps and they get paid $100 a year. Something to do if you're single w/o children or retired.

    Still our young reps do an outstanding job for the most part and we have young people involved in politics in many ways here.

    And young people should get involved. Policy decisions made now will affect them down the road.

    It's too bad Carol Elliot had to make such a deal about the age thing. If it were reversed, we'd be talking about "ageism".

  •  A question here... (1+ / 0-)
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    Does anyone have a good resource for finding out which offices like this may be 'ripe' for inexperienced but motivated individuals?

    •  Every one on the ballot (0+ / 0-)

      Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt

      by norahc on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:08:51 PM PST

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      •  well I meant (1+ / 0-)
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        which offices are available?  I don't happen to have a ballot anymore.  I live in Chicago, so I know there is the city council, mayor, city clerk, treasurer...anything else?  Those are all pretty steep climbs I imagine.  

        School boards?  Water commision?  Land Mark authority?  What else is there?  Is there a list somewhere?

        •  Good question (0+ / 0-)

          I don't know Chicago much - do you also have a local party structure? The local hacks can be really good to approach with these questions, it could be they are looking for someone...

          Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt

          by norahc on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:19:37 PM PST

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        •  Chicago (1+ / 0-)
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          has lots: local school council, Metropolitan Water Reclamation District, Alderman, Committeeman, Cook Co. Board, the Board of Review ....

          All are pretty steep, as the Machine is alive and well, and many of the "easy" seats are considered to be plums to give to the loyal.

          But there are many ways to get involved in the progessive movement: IVI-IPO, NDFA, PDA ....

          Life is full of surprises, and there is always hope. - Ruth Reichl

          by Hope Despite All on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:26:22 PM PST

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          •  WHat is ndfa? (0+ / 0-)

            And how do I become 'loyal'?

            •  NDFA (0+ / 0-)

              is Northside Democracy for America, which meets in Edgewater/Andersonville.  We are not "loyal," though we are about electing Democrats.  I'm not sure how you become a Regular Dem ... the process is a little opaque.  Some manage to do it by giving money (a lot) to the right people.  Others by doing work for their committeeman, but even then you run into a "we don't want nobody nobody sent" attitude -- it can be hard to find out when the ward Democratic Committees meet -- if they do.  

              Life is full of surprises, and there is always hope. - Ruth Reichl

              by Hope Despite All on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 09:30:41 PM PST

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  •  Exactly, don't surrender a single piece (0+ / 0-)

    of ground with out a fight and when you see an opportunity take the fight to them. Huzzah, for Vanessa Sievers!

    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright" Curt Siodmak

    by Wisdumb on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:50:04 PM PST

  •  Heh (2+ / 0-)
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    Got the local Dems meeting coming up on Nov 24. Good a place as any to start.

    me talk pretty one day.

    by mudskipper on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:51:38 PM PST

  •  US Senate, in 2012. My Declaration of Candidacy (4+ / 0-)
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    is already filed.

    The War on Drugs is $40 billion a year of Government waste.

    by ben masel on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:54:12 PM PST

  •  I serve on my town ethics board....... (2+ / 0-)
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    it is an appointed position, but I did not have to run for it.  They were looking for someone to join and the town board appointed me to it when I wrote to one of the council members. It is very rewarding  work and perhaps may lead me to run for something some day.  I have some skeletons from my teens, but no drugs or anything like that.  In my late 20's now I figure I have a few more years before I'd be comfortable to run for something.  I would love to run against my current state Senator some day as he is a real misuse of the word "honorable"  We'll see how that goes, my local county democratic organization is flawed on many levels, the worst of which is the chairman.  It lacks any forward thinking and creativity, which is why we consistently lose county elections despite the fact that republicans have been in charge forever and the county has gone to shit.  That state senator I wrote of prior used to be the county executive.  during his time in that office he managed to give us the highest sales tax in the state 9.5%.  Awesome, and we made him Senator, unreal.

    For the true measure of a man is not by success or failure The true measure of a man is not what he has accomplished but, what he is still willing to do.

    by The Shepherd on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 06:56:35 PM PST

  •  I'd run, but I am already well represented ... (2+ / 0-)
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    zatoichi, norahc

    We just elected a second Democratic U.S. Senator in VA, the Arlington Co. board is a bastion of liberal Dems., my Congressman is Jim Moran (with whom I have many disagreements but the seat is his till he decides it's not), my state house rep. is great, as is most of our school board. Damn! What's a poor wanabe politico to do when all the offices are filled by folks he campaigned for?

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. -- Mark Twain ... or was it Groucho?

    by Christian Wright on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:01:17 PM PST

  •  Yes! Use new media (0+ / 0-)

    This is why I think that, although it's good that Obama is using youtube over radio, he should do a "President's Blog."  This would be a radical departure, some daily thoughts, even if it's just ruminations on the White House Food (or Friday catblogging), it will energize and engage millions of people a whole lot younger than me, and hopefully a few my age.

  •  was Ms. Sievers a "Community Activist"? (0+ / 0-)

    good for Ms. Sievers.  So, channeling the "Disaster from Alaska", I have to ask, Was Ms. Sievers a Community Activist( hear my dog whistle, loud and clear)?  

  •  I ran this year for the first time. (2+ / 0-)
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    Four years ago, there was one Democrat on the Kalamazoo (Michigan) Township Board. In this election, our whole slate won - now we have six of seven. We did not run anyone for Clerk, because I (serving as candidate recruitment chair) did not want to see so much turnover that we would not know what we were doing.

    The serving Democratic trustee was elected Treasurer, a new Democratic Supervisor was elected, and me and two other new Democratic Trustees were elected. The last Trustee has been there since 1977 - always ran as a Republican before, 'saw the light' this time and flipped to the Democratic Party!

  •  I'm totally running against (0+ / 0-)

    Sue Myrick in NC-09, if no one picks her off before I get tired of grubbing for research grants in the current economic climate.

  •  I have to add two cents here, (2+ / 0-)
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    Ed Tracey, zatoichi

    Since I live in the county involved.  Sievers ran alongside Bill Sharp, who is the current Register of Deeds, and I'm forced to say, a buffoon.  She -- and, unfortunately he -- were elected primarily on the strength of the vote from Hanover and Plymouth, two college towns; presumably a lot of straight-ticket voting.  I have no doubt that Sievers will do a fine job; but there is something to be said for positions like these, which are administrative in nature, being filled by job applicants, not elected officials.

    "What we have here is a failure to communicate."

    by mspicata on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:12:07 PM PST

    •  You are indeed correct about Sharp ... (1+ / 0-)
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      .... he saw a posting I made on Blue Hampshire about his being elected in part due to straight ticket voting (as the Valley News wrote). I was glad that the Democrats eliminated that, per their platform.

          Sharp wrote me a nasty-gram six months later, demanding an apology, making fun of my last name and saying that "you owe Me am apology". I do not think that the capitalization was accidental.

      "We should pay attention to that man behind the curtain."

      by Ed Tracey on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:27:07 PM PST

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  •  Never... (0+ / 0-)

    "when are you going to run for office?" why should i?

    by tufdaawg on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:13:21 PM PST

  •  College kids have been brainwashed into thinking (1+ / 0-)
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    that they can make a difference? OMG! Don't they know that only Very, Very Wealthy People are supposed to do that?

  •  I am currently (1+ / 0-)
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    saddled with a county Democratic party that is in no way democratic.

    When youth attend the county party meeting we are accused of making trouble and scaring our betters for coming in groups.

    In my county we have 2 county board members who are college students, and probably a city council member in April.  Might be time for some new people in the local Dem organization now that I think of it.

    Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt

    by norahc on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:14:02 PM PST

    •  Yup (1+ / 0-)
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      But if you don't come in groups you get ignored or marginalized.  That's the way local power circles perpetuate themselves, by making uninvited newcomers uncomfortable at best, unwelcome most of the time, right at the gate.

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      by ActivistGuy on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 12:18:04 AM PST

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  •  nice to hear about Dartmouth (2+ / 0-)
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    I graduated from Dartmouth in 1974 a few years after Professor Jeffrey Hart (National Review editor, and Dartmouth English professor) founded the right-wing Dartmouth Review with a handful of students. Even from its earliest days the Review gained an ugly reputation for gay-bashing. I was the News Editor of The Dartmouth (the college daily), and remember reporting one event where the Dartmouth Review spent two weeks spying on suspected gay students, and then publishing their identities. One student, as I recall, was disowned by his grandfather, who read about his gay grandson for the first time in the Dartmouth review. This was 36 years ago. These people were evil, and Dinesh D'Souza and Laura Ingraham were part of it.

  •  Dartmouth Aires (0+ / 0-)

    The Dartmouth Aires came to perform at a local community theatre on Long Island.  I enjoyed their performance of Zombie Jamboree.  The were very well choreographed.

  •  I've run (1+ / 0-)
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    in several elections at our local, provincial and federal level while in college, it didn't matter. Just did it because I was asked too.   No I didn't win but got respectable results. :) As an activist though that wasn't the main point. It was an opportunity to get my voice heard and influence the discourse at that level. Winning would have been great of course but I look at just participating to be really important, plus you never know who will see it as an example and come after.  

     The experience is also invaluable. Getting an insider view of what is expected and how it all works from a candidate viewpoint has increased my understanding of politics in general and has helped me immensely in all my other political/activist work.
    I know the game from inside and outside and most importantly my BS detector is more finely tuned.

     I was asked to consider running again in recent elections but for now it's not where the best place to put my energy is and that's okay. I now do some work behind the scenes working at a strategic level something that because I actually ran as the "front line" person comes way easier then it ever did before.
    It's definitely not for everyone but you don't have to be some superhero to do it. I was absolutely beyond freaked before my first debate, which included a bout of vomiting in the bathroom before hand as cliche as that is. :)  Fun times, but after a few it's really just talking, expressing what you believe and getting a viewpoint out to the public.

    You do have to develop a thick skin though. Yowsa, it can be nasty!

  •  Long term political power starts local and small (0+ / 0-)

    This is way to go. With the grass roots and the people.

    Having a working understanding as to what works and what has happened is useful for success.

  •  When am I gonna run for office? I'm 26 yr-old sub (0+ / 0-)

    titute teacher. I'm pretty well informed but not uber-wonkish about anything in particular...what the hell could I run for?

    Barack Hussein Obama: Community Organizer-in-Chief

    by deutschluz on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 07:44:49 PM PST

  •  "Diseased and deformed" (0+ / 0-)

    A friend of mine described Laura Ingraham to me thus.  We were standing in the back of Bones Gate in the spring of 1985.

    Nothing has changed.

    Yes We DID!! Thank God. Canada's too friggin' cold.

    by Dan E in Blue Hampshire on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 08:10:28 PM PST

  •  Ran for PA State Sen in '92 (0+ / 0-)

    in Chester County - the seat now held by Democrat and former County Commissioner Andy Dinniman - got my butt kicked as it was 2.5:1 GOP and they voted 75% straight party ticket at the time. I did some innovative stuff back in the technological stone ages and managed to beat the D #'s by, I think it was 9 points, maybe 6, one of those anyway.

    I'd love to take on Gerlach in PA-06, however family situation makes that a rather big leap (my better half is currently a local township Commissioner with 3 years left on her 2nd term and is also contract planner for another twp adding up to 2-3 night meetings/wk leaving me as Mr. Mom for our 2 boys). I'd also have to take unpaid leave from work to run - running evenings and weekends would make it that much harder to get the job done - and there is that mortgage and food thing to deal with.

    That's not to say I won't do it (though I heard from  one knowledgeable person that Dinniman could pick up the gauntlet and he'd be a formidable candidate, if not the most progressive we could find); I guess I'll have to talk it over with my wife at some point....

    Democracy is a contact sport...

    by jsmagid on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 08:26:07 PM PST

  •  Dartmouth '84 & I knew Dinesh, Laura, Ben, etc. (0+ / 0-)

    I was on campus when the Dartmouth Review was hatched. The original founders, Ben Hart (son of Dartmouth professor and former Nixon speech writer Jeff Hart), Keeny Jones, Steve Kelly and Dinesh were a bright bunch. While I didn't necessarily agree with their politics, at least they were articulate. Like other comments on this thread have suggested, the campus was largely apolitical, with pockets of folks on the left and right. The Review stirred the pot a bit and got people talking. Dinesh took over in year 2 after Hart and the others graduated. After him, came Laura Ingraham. There was an instantly recognizable gap in both tone and content. She's not in the same league as D'Souza and the others intellectually, so she resorted to much more shock and schlock to get a rise out of people. Nice to see nothing's changed today with how she conducts herself. I'll give her credit for one thing - she was pretty homely in school and couldn't get a guy to hit on her if her life depended on it. She's managed an extreme makeover, but as my wife would say, Laura's still mutton dressed as lamb.

    Congrats to Ms. Sievers and the rest of the student body at Dartmouth.

    "Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein

    by Citizen Earth on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 08:35:44 PM PST

  •  for better or worse (0+ / 0-)

    Alums, for better or worse

    Laura Ingraham
    D'nesh Sousa

    Captain Kangaroo (honestly)
    Nelson Rockefeller (died in coitus w/ a hookup)
    Buck Henry
    Meryl Streep (briefly)
    Robert Reich
    Henry Paulson (tresurer of his fraternity)
    C. Everett Koop
    Robert Frost
    Steven Colbert (right!)

  •  Just in case you're interested in the present (0+ / 0-)

    The days of the Dartmouth Review are pretty much over - in fact I don't believe the Review is published any more.  Sure, the spirit of Daniel Webster is still alive, and we have our share of conservatives. Hopefully we're training them well enough so they may actually contribute to some better thinking in the Republican ranks. But the student body gets more diverse each year.  Last year there was a spontaneous rally due to a campus party which involved some costumes insulting to Native American students (sorry I can't be more specific.  I'm having trouble remembering the exact cause).  As a response, students staged a large rally to demonstrate solidarity with all students of color. The theme of that rally, which was very well attended by white students as well as students of color and GLBT students, was "We are Dartmouth."  One of my students described it as one of the most moving experiences she'd had at Dartmouth to date. There was another spontaneous rally this year when Barack Obama was elected president.  

  •  Not all of us "brainwashed college kids" (0+ / 0-)

    ...voted for her... including many like myself who are diehard Obama supporters. With no sales tax, no income tax, living on campus (no property taxes), and few local services, I don't have much of a direct contact with county government at all. I personally don't think it's fair to have an essentially visiting college student running an $18 million operation for the county, even though I very much agree with Vanessa's politics.

    My impression is that you could have put just about anyone in that spot on the ballot and they would have done well against Elliott this year. Not all THAT many people actually knew that she was running or that she was a college student.

    I however TOTALLY respect Vanessa's boldness in running in the first place and I think, with plenty of training and help from people who know the ropes, she'll do just fine.

    And the Dartmouth Review, thankfully, is a shell of a publication that comes out rarely and gets little respect on campus. Every year they try to pull some shit to get the attention back, but they end up just humiliating themselves in the process.

  •  Hahahahaha (1+ / 0-)
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    when are you going to run for office?

    No thanks, I don't think I need my past all up in the press and tv.

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    by ActivistGuy on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 11:45:21 PM PST

  •  It is unfortunate (0+ / 0-)

    that so many of us decline due to our pasts.  Out of my circle of friends from high school, all but one of us turned out to be liberal Democrats, just one guy ended up as a reactionary conservative.  All but one of us did things in college that could come up later...just one of us was a fun-killing hermit in college.  Guess which one.  It's sad that he's the only one that could survive a serious vetting.  I think that dynamic kind of explains why we have such intolerant turds in government.

  •  I just ran this November... and I won (1+ / 0-)
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    Now there are a total of two, count 'em two, Dems on my town's City Council.  

    Four year term, so we'll see if I get to stay on past that.  

  •  The 50-state strategy (0+ / 0-)

    In it's purest expression is a 300+ million people strategy, and that's what I like about it. One mind at a time: A pyramid scheme for truth, justice, equality, and acceptance. Rock.

    The fundamental delusion of humanity is to suppose that I am here and you are out there. - Yasutani Roshi

    by lotusmaglite on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 12:55:37 AM PST

  •  That town has a certain hostility to students (0+ / 0-)

    The town/gown conflict in Hanover seems to be worse than in many other New England villages.

    I was a law student in Boston and did election protection there with the NLG in 2004 (don't get me started on how poorly coordinated the effort was).  We encountered enormous problems with local people coming over and wrongly telling college kids that voting in Hanover was illegal; the town and local elections people were of no help in getting rid of them and, without any kind of support like Obama provided this year, we were left with the choice of either chasing after discouraged voters or shouting the townies down; in the miserable snow that was election day 2004 in central New Hampshire, neither option was particularly compelling or practical.

    By way of comparison, I worked election protection in Hanover County, VA this time - irony anyone? - under the auspices of Obama's Promote the Vote program, and we had enormous resources available to us.  I had a high level of confidence that we would be able to address any problems that arose either ourselves or with assistance from in-state attorneys, but thankfully no problems arose at all, it was a delightfully boring day.  I only made one call to Alexandria, regarding the fact that the ballot-reading machine had apparently stopped working, and we were able to confirm and assure ourselves by phone that everyone followed proper procedure - in 2004 we didn't even have an emergency number to call in the event fur flew.

    But back on track, it's exciting to see this kind of thing happen there, though I'm not surprised that the outgoing treasurer is throwing what appears at first look to be a temper tantrum.

    "What Washington needs is adult supervision" - Barack Obama

    by auron renouille on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 01:56:45 AM PST

  •   people think college students are less informed (0+ / 0-)

    First, it isn't college students; it is youth.  Youth is not less informed, it has less experience in which to frame what they know.  They still possess no sense of their own mortality, which makes them reckless in some sense.

    Having said that, years under one's belt does not assure maturity.  It only assures old.

    Hindsight is worth a lot, when one learns from it.  

    They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20 ~~ Dennis Kucinich

    by dkmich on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 03:39:46 AM PST

  •  I'd run for office in my area.... (0+ / 0-)

    ...except that I've lived here just two years, and have Democratic incumbents in safe seats.  I'd have to wait for one to retire, but then go up against someone, most likely, who is a lot more familiar with local politics than I am.

    Plus I have too many skeletons in the closet!

    Alton IL

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    by AAbshier on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 03:56:31 AM PST

  •  To be fair (0+ / 0-)

    I grew up near Hanover, and while I remember Dartmouth students making the news for some of the bad things you mention, I also have vivid memories of the shanty town they erected on the green to protest the college's investments in South Africa. This is a pretty broad brush you are swinging here.

    "Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut.

    by Purplepeople on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 06:08:54 AM PST

  •  And if you want to know how, (0+ / 0-)

    see our very own How To Run For Office.

    Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass. -- Barry Goldwater, 1981

    by The Centerfielder on Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 06:51:05 AM PST

  •  I'm actually thinking of running (0+ / 0-)

    as a Republican. But ironically. I would run as a "liberal" Republican, as I live in upstate NY. I would be against bailouts, against government intrusion into personal lives, for conserving the environment, balanced budgets, clean energy... You know, all those "conservative" things...

    Just a thought.

  •  Begin to Change AZ Democratic party. (0+ / 0-)

    I know that the fact we have a democratic governor and 5 congressional seats indicates we are trending blue but on the local level were are still red. As this ( -s-sca-gate-to-the-granddaddy-of-political-scandals/)article indicates, the AZ Democratic party is stuck somewhere between 2000 and 2004. They are still operating in a top-down mentality. As is stated in the article, maybe losing the gov. to Obama and having a Rethug governor might shake up the bad apples from the trees and really let us shine.

  •  When I was a High School kid... (0+ / 0-)

    ...I always dreamed about running for Congress some day.

    When you get older, you gain a more realistic grasp of your skills and abilities, and realize how dumb some of the dreams from your younger days were.

    I'm not nearly good enough at public speaking, or comfortable enough with interacting with other people, to run for any kind of office.

  •  I am going to run (0+ / 0-)

    for a vacant school board seat in Charlotte...

    District 2 just in case anyone is in here reading in my district...

    the seat was vacated by someone who ran for county commissioner so this is up to vote by board...but I still need support!!!

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