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The GOP, or whatever Party the neocons and theocons say they belong to these days, can't help themselves.  

This morning on WIBC, EMMIS' flagship station, (see EMMIS stock price at 0.36 cents today) our fav mentally deficient Limbaugh clone Greg Garrison (his claim to fame was putting Mike Tyson away) was quoting this:

A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.

This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China's official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its "worst snowstorm ever". In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.

Hey, anything for a ratings blip, hmmm Garrison?

Fact is, mistakes happen.  Data points get corrupted.  Big Oil sends out its minions to make blog posts on Powerline and such.

Yes, GG, it is November, and it is getting cold (finally) here in Indianapolis.  Thank goodness.  That doesn't mean there is no global warming, moron, it means that it is winter time here in the midwest.  Wild temperature and weather swings are by-products of putting more energy (waste heat) into the system.  If you had taken something besides law and politics in college you might understand that.  Maybe.

GG, stock in EMMIS has dropped from around thirty dollars a share in 2004 to just pennies today, somewhat mirroring GW Bush's popularity.  I really hope you weren't counting on retiring on an EMMIS stock plan any time soon because your show and the Limbaugh happy hour aren't bailing your EMMIS stock-holders out.  93.1 should have kept playing rock or something...

Anyway, as I was saying, there were apparently errors in October 2008 Goddard researched temp results.  Warmest October on record (apparently not)?  Errors happen.  It is EXTREMELY unfortunate that with a politically sensitive topic such as Global Warming that someone isn't being more careful.  Lack of care gives the laetrile-snorting-god-is-coming-back-tomorrow fascist-puppies ammunition to use.  I don't like giving the morons ammunition,  so to all the good folks at Goddard + NASA, be more careful, hmmm?!  (I have not found any NASA Goddard reply to the error, the only place I can find ref to it is on Neocon blogs, so if you find a link to the actual correction and description of error, please post it or email me at

This Republican fixation on hating science and scientist is not, however, going to win Republicans a majority in Congress and a return to the White House, however.  They have too much baggage (including possibly losing a million jobs when the domestic auto industry goes kerflooey before the end of the year).

So, Mr. Garrison, Mr. Limbaugh (etc), if you want to remain fixated on preserving your so-called base of redneck Christianists, go right ahead.  I wouldn't want those people for a base though.  They are...  Not really all there, if you get my meaning.

Meanwhile, Global Warming and ice melt continue to change the World.

Uncertain as to how phytoplankton -- microscopic marine plants on which much of ocean life depends -- would respond to Arctic sea ice decline, researchers took advantage of NASA satellite images to show that the microscopic floating plants are teeming in regions of recent ice melt.

The explosion in phytoplankton populations is the result of new open-water habitat and, more significantly, an extended ice-free growing season, biological oceanographer Kevin Arrigo and colleagues from Stanford University in Stanford, Calif., reported last month in the American Geophysical Union's Geophysical Research Letters.

Since phytoplankton cycle carbon dioxide into organic compounds and also form the base of the marine food web, the researchers believe the booming populations could have complex ecological consequences.

Following a record-breaking season of arctic sea ice decline in 2007, NASA scientists have kept a close watch on the 2008 melt season. Although the melt season did not break the record for ice loss, NASA data are showing that for a four-week period in August 2008, sea ice melted faster during that period than ever before.

Each year at the end of summer, sea ice in the Arctic melts to reach its annual minimum. Ice that remains, or "perennial ice," has survived from year to year and contains old, thick ice. The area of arctic sea ice, including perennial and seasonal ice, has taken a hit in past years as melt has accelerated. Researchers believe that if the rate of decline continues, all arctic sea ice could be gone within the century.

Jesus, save me from your (FAIL!) followers.

Conservative Theocons.  Wrong on Katrina.  Wrong on GW Bush.  Wrong on the Economy.  Wrong on gay rights.  Actually, pretty well wrong about everything!


UPDATE:  Please see RealClimate at for info on the error.

As many people will have read there was a glitch in the surface temperature record reporting for October. For many Russian stations (and some others), September temperatures were apparently copied over into October, giving an erroneous positive anomaly. The error appears to have been made somewhere between the reporting by the National Weather Services and NOAA's collation of the GHCN database. GISS, which produces one of the more visible analyses of this raw data, processed the input data as normal and ended up with an October anomaly that was too high. That analysis has now been pulled (in under 24 hours) while they await a correction of input data from NOAA (Update: now (partially) completed).

There were 90 stations for which October numbers equalled September numbers in the corrupted GHCN file for 2008 (out of 908). This compares with an average of about 16 stations each year in the last decade (some earlier years have bigger counts, but none as big as this month, and are much less as a percentage of stations). These other cases seem to be mostly legitimate tropical stations where there isn't much of a seasonal cycle. That makes it a little tricky to automatically scan for this problem, but putting in a check for the total number or percentage is probably sensible going forward.

It's clearly true that the more eyes there are looking, the faster errors get noticed and fixed. The cottage industry that has sprung up to examine the daily sea ice numbers or the monthly analyses of surface and satellite temperatures, has certainly increased the number of eyes and that is generally for the good. Whether it's a discovery of an odd shift in the annual cycle in the UAH MSU-LT data, or this flub in the GHCN data, or the USHCN/GHCN merge issue last year, the extra attention has led to improvements in many products. Nothing of any consequence has changed in terms of our understanding of climate change, but a few more i's have been dotted and t's crossed.

But unlike in other fields of citizen-science (astronomy or phenology spring to mind), the motivation for the temperature observers is heavily weighted towards wanting to find something wrong...

Originally posted to angrytoyrobot on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:15 AM PST.


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Comment Preferences

  •  I don't really care.. (10+ / 0-)

    if 'global warming' is real or not.  We should be inclined to reduce our pollution regardless because it's obviously not going to help either way.

    'A sect or party is an elegant incognito devised to save a man from the vexation of thinking.' ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by Apocalypse Please on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:18:42 AM PST

    •  Very true. (9+ / 0-)

      However, I think that enlightened self interest in preserving one's way of life is focused by Global Warming.

      Let the car comapnies die and let steelworkers and UAW build high speed rail systems and solar power stations.

      Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

      by angrytoyrobot on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:22:20 AM PST

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      •  The only problem... (0+ / 0-)

        ...would be the lag of establishing the new industries.

        _Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight!_ Jettison Joe Lieberman!

        by JeffW on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:34:38 AM PST

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        •  I didn't live in the 1900s, but did the (3+ / 0-)
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          goverment bail out the horse and buggy salesmen?

          Or, did they just let the horses and buggys wear out and then sent them all to be recycled into glue, cat food and leather shoes?

          As there are few horses on the streets now, so someday I feel there will be few IC powered automobiles.

          Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

          by angrytoyrobot on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:38:15 AM PST

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        •  Lag in car companies building (2+ / 0-)
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          tanks, warships, liberty ships, aircraft, and other heavy manufactured war materiel was about 18 months or less from the end of 1941. Note, there were no 1943, '44, or '45 autos, but enough of these items to fight and win a 2-front war. We essentially need to consider our economy on a war footing. To retool and make railroad rolling stock and wind turbine equipment cannot be more difficult than it was for WWII, when our technology was more primitive than it is today.

          "Without our playstations, we are a third world nation"-Ani DiFranco

          by NoMoreLies on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 12:45:54 PM PST

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          •  Of course, the SR-71 went from a napkin (1+ / 0-)
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            to a prototype in what, a year?

            You just can't do that now without forms being filed in triplicate, buried in soft peat, recycled as firelighters...

            Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

            by angrytoyrobot on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 12:47:50 PM PST

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            •  Yeah, but Lockheed... (0+ / 0-)

              ...had the Skunk Works, where the engineering and production departments were cheek and jowl. You'd need to develop multiple Skunk Works set-ups at an auto manufacturer to do that, and the corporate culture might work against it. Novel thought, though...

              _Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight!_ Jettison Joe Lieberman!

              by JeffW on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 01:39:49 PM PST

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      •  Tipped for the Logan's Run poll selection! (1+ / 0-)
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        I love any Post-Apocalyptic film!

        On November 4, 2008 the nice guys finished FIRST!

        by voracious on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 11:36:35 AM PST

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    •  Some people need... (0+ / 0-)

      a selfish reason to do the right thing.

      If Global Warming doesn't turn them on, then they (or loved ones) might have allergies, asthma, cancer, etc.

      Or they might have a car they can't afford to fill or a commute that is full of annoying traffic.  Or they may want to walk to lose weight.

      If it hits them at home or in the wallet, they may do the right thing.  Here's hoping to that.  The ends would all be the same--less pollution.

    •  I do (5+ / 0-)

      Reaching an overwhelming consensus that global warming is a) real and b) caused by humans is important because we may already be too late to prevent a lot more warming.  We might be past a tipping point and the challenge will be not just reducing emissions but helping those least able to adapt to the new climate rules that will prevail.

      We in the industrialized world will rightly bear the most responsibility for that problem and will literally owe the third world a lot of help adapting.

      We broke it, we bought it.  Without that consensus it will be very difficult to achieve the political will to help out the countries we are fucking up with our pollution.  If it really was a natural phenomenon, there will be an inclination to shrug and say "sucks to be them, but not my fault."

      Help build the Progressive Governing Majority at Open Left

      by Scientician on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:46:37 AM PST

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      •  No, we broke it, stole all the other (2+ / 0-)
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        dishes, and then stole the stuff needed to make more dishes.

        We not only own the dishes, we own the ceramics factory, the power plants, the trucks to ship new dishes with...

        Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

        by angrytoyrobot on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:48:57 AM PST

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    •  Agreed! Why have Republicans so proudly (0+ / 0-)

      proclaimed themselves to be the party of pollution?

      Personally, anyone who does not believe in Global Warming has never been at the annual tree-lighting ceremony in San Francisco's Union Square. When a lot of bodies are in one place, the temperature goes up.

      We should always conserve resources and not pollute. This is not fad science, but sensibility.

      On November 4, 2008 the nice guys finished FIRST!

      by voracious on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 11:35:45 AM PST

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  •  Taken a look at RealClimate? (8+ / 0-)

    great blog run by climate scientists who, you know, actually KNOW what they're talking about.  They have a post about this mix up here:

  •  The Weekly Anti-AGW Victory Dance (5+ / 0-)

    They do this stuff all the time, ATR, especially in the fall when it mysteriously gets cooler.

  •  Weird, cuz, here in Michigan, I'd have (2+ / 0-)
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    to say it WAS the warmest October I can remember in a long time.  We have only JUST been hitting freezing temps.  The last few days it's been getting down to the upper 20's.  Usually, by now, we've had a few solid weeks of that type of weather.

    On Halloween, kids were out in just their costumes, no coats.  It was a bit drizzly earlier in the day, but in the 50's.

  •  I live in Missouri near Huckleberry's great (2+ / 0-)
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    river, and I just lit my furnace over the weekend, more to just check it out and be sure it's working than anything else.  The furnace hasn't had to kick on a single time yet, and next week is Thanksgiving. That's unusual to say the least.

    •  I can still have the furnace off most of the day (1+ / 0-)
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      just turn it on evenings when I get home from work, then off for the night and then on for a little bit in the morning before work.

      But then, I live in a house built in 1936 out of real plaster and lathe and real wood.  :-)

      Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

      by angrytoyrobot on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:45:19 AM PST

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      •  While often not as well insulated as 'modern' (2+ / 0-)
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        homes, I've personally found the construction of older houses more than makes up for less insulation put in at construction.  Retrofitted with additional insulation, older houses that aren't put together with a staple gun, and those with lathe and plaster walls, are toasty by comparison.

        •  Ya... My house (before I bought it) (1+ / 0-)
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          went thru a lot of neglect that would have turned a modern drywall house into saggy lumps of cardboard.

          I like old houses.  :-)

          Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

          by angrytoyrobot on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 11:00:00 AM PST

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  •  Seventy degrees here in Colorado today (2+ / 0-)
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    Weather ain't climate but this is weird.

  •  your picture is so big, it's killing the right (1+ / 0-)
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    hand side of the screen .. try adding "width=600" inside the jpg html tag ..

    2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a little pond of goo

    by shpilk on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:54:13 AM PST

  •  Global Climate CHANGE (1+ / 0-)
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    means just that .. some places can get colder, it's the worldwide AVERAGE that is crucial.

    Of course, you'll always find the yo-yo who will use local events to bolster their argument, because they are yo-yos.

    2008, the Year the Republican Party dissolved into a little pond of goo

    by shpilk on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:55:35 AM PST

  •  Find out what global warming really means.... (1+ / 0-)
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    So they made an error in the temperature recording.  Big deal.  Their justification against global warming?  Massive snowfall.  RECORD snowfall.  Global warming does not just cause temperatures to rise and ice caps to melt.  It messes with weather patterns and also causes temperatures to DROP abnormally.  Global warming will cause the temperatures to become more extreme on both sides of the spectrum.  We will have hotter summers and colder winters.  So when it snows in Arizona in July and someone tries to tell you it means global warming doesn't exist, build a snowman and talk to it instead.

  •  One month's readings are irrelevant. (1+ / 0-)
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    Global warming is about climate.  Climate isn't reflected on a monthly basis.  It isn't even reflected on a yearly basis.  The smallest unit by which you should even think of measuring climate in is the decade, and then you need a few of those to establish a trend.

    The corporate media is just as guilty of mis-reporting the evidence as the wingnuts are.  Every time some short-term factoid like a monthly average favors global warming it makes headlines.  And every time an equally irrelevant factoid seems to contradict global warming the wingnuts go crazy with it.  You end up with the public hearing the two erroneous versions, and it's easy for the uninformed to just go with the version they are predisposed to believe.

    If the corporate media would stop reporting irrelevant factoids as "new evidence of climate change" the wingnuts might actually have to confront the climate evidence instead.

    "The old boy's network. In the McCain campaign, that's called a staff meeting."

    by Simian on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 11:01:17 AM PST

  •  My old bathroom scales were off by five pounds. (2+ / 0-)
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    imabluemerkin, angrytoyrobot


    What's so hard about Peace, Love, and Truth and Progress?

    by melvin on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 11:54:50 AM PST

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