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Here's a map of the presidential vote in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) Ohio:

Open this file in Google Earth to zoom in on any neighborhood:

Cuyahoga County presidential vote -- Google Earth KML file

Obama precincts have blue placemarks, McCain red. Precincts with more than 80% Obama support are marked with a star, likewise precincts with more than 60% McCain support are starred.

Cleveland is a largely segregated racially, and Obama's main support predictably comes from the largely black precincts on the east side of Cleveland. Here's a census map for reference:

Other blue areas are blue-collar Parma and the university areas such as University Heights, Mayfield Heights, Richmond Heights, Brooklyn Heights, etc.

Here are some more detailed views:




Beyond presidential preference, it'd be interesting to look at turnout stats by precinct, but maybe it's best to wait until all provisional ballots are counted to do that analysis.

When social issues are on the ballot as was the case in 2004 in Ohio (e.g., gay marriage ban, smoking ban) it can be very interesting to see how these issues cut across the usual Democratic/Republican picture. This time there were a couple of statewide issues with a social component, so to speak:

*Issue 6: to allow casino gambling in Ohio
*Issue 5: to restrict the interest rate charge by payday lenders

The casino gambling issue failed statewide, 62-38 against. The payday lending curb, capping the interest rate at 30%, passed 64-36.

One curious thing in my experience--during the early voting period (Sept. 30-Nov. 3) and on election day itself I worked with a group that gave rides to the polls. Being generally people without cars, most of my rides were poor people, usually black but not always, and a large majority of them were in favor of casino gambling and against the payday lending curb (we'd usually talk politics all the way to the polls and back). That's ironic given that the payday lending curb and voting no on gambling were generally pitched as being votes to protect poor people from themselves. But the poor people themselves had a different view.

This is borne out somewhat in the Cuyahoga precinct results:

So as Obama support goes up, support for casino gambling generally goes up. The cluster of points on the right, at 95%+ Obama support, represents the largely black precincts on Cleveland's east side. Taking just the relatively few precincts where the casino issue actually prevailed:

So that's mostly on the east side of Cleveland.

As a contrast, take the case of precincts with high Obama support (>70%) but low support for casino gambling (<35%):</p>

Those are generally white, liberal precincts.

Issue 5 also showed a similar effect of poor folks bucking the trend:

So again the people supposedly most victimized by predatory payday lenders were the least likely to vote to limit their interest rate. By the way, the precincts voting more than 80% for the interest rate cap were again the white liberal precincts, who evidently know better than the poor people what's good for them!

Combining the two issues gives this relationship:

Originally posted to jmknapp on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 03:39 PM PST.

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    •  Well, in general, (1+ / 0-)
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      Cuyahoga County has tended to favour gambling although I suspect that most people didn't understand how xatastrophic this particular gambling proposal would have been for Northeast Ohio. On the payday lending issue there was a lot of confusion and disinformation and I tchink it's condescending to say that "white liberals evidentally knew better than poor people what was good for them." One thing the payday lending people pulled was the same thing that the chamber of comemrce pulled to try to defeat the overwhelmingly favoured minimum wage in 2006, and to actually draw down its favourable vote to the point where it was a little touch and go: they introduced bogus "privacy" fears. This can have a lot of weight in poor communities, where people often have some "bad" information in their records. In fact, payday lending IS bad for the poor, and they themselves may think "Well, $15 isn't that much for a $100 loan I need," but they don't see the consequences down the line. One thing that needs to be reformed is access to legitimate banking services in the inner city; instead of making them harder to access, they need to be easier to access. Also I hope our next state treasruer, whoever he/she is, continues to develop the financial education programs ex-treasurer/soon to be attorney general Rich Cordray was putting in place.

      By the way I think I saw my precinct (where I'm precinct captain) in there nice and blue with a star!

  •  I suspect that these are the people (1+ / 0-)
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    whose only hope out of poverty is some extraordinary event - like winning the lottery.  It's a version of The American Dream that's hard to give up - even though the odds are so firmly stacked against it.  

    This is our time. Let us rejoice in it - after we've worked our butts off first of course.

    by klnb1019 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 03:50:35 PM PST

    •  Once I Lost My Computer Tech Job at 48 (0+ / 0-)

      Even white, I figured lottery tickets were a more sound investment than tech retraining.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:23:09 PM PST

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    •  Of course, the issue is (1+ / 0-)
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      that this particular ballot issue was a constitutional amendment that permitted only a single casino well over three hours away from Cleveland that would have likely sucked entertainment dollars out of Northeastern Ohio while poorer Clevelanders would have little access to it. And while the casino developers said they would divide the dollars they paid to the state among the counties, it was a fairly paltry amount compared to how much other revenues were likely to suffer. And it wasn't guaranteed: among other things the developers wrote into this sweet deal they wanted us to enshrine in our constitution, their taxes could decrease if competition was ever forced upon them AND they paid nothing for their license because all their taxes were forgiven until the gambling license was paid for. That's shameful considering other states like Pennsylvania raised money by auctioning off the gambling licenses.

      •  Yep (0+ / 0-)

        It was actually the case where their taxes would drop to the level paid by any competitor. So if an "Indian" run casino were to come in and pay zero taxes that is what the casino operator on the ballot would get - zero taxes.

  •  Why do you think that is? n/t (0+ / 0-)
    •  If you're asking me (2+ / 0-)
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      jimreyn, skpow

      (and I'm not sure you are) then it's because I lived in this area for 18 years.  Ohio is hurting.  Its people are hurting.  And they are looking for any way to move away from the hurt.  I didn't mean to imply anything more than that.

      This is our time. Let us rejoice in it - after we've worked our butts off first of course.

      by klnb1019 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 03:55:36 PM PST

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    •  A couple thoughts (2+ / 0-)
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      jimreyn, skpow

      Poor people like gambling (lotto, etc.) because it's a way to strike it rich at least in theory, and they may actually like the payday lenders because they can at least get some kind of loan, even if at exorbitant interest.

      Also, gambling casinos and even payday lenders provide jobs.

      •  It's understandable (1+ / 0-)
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        but the ads run by the gambling casino proponents with the young woman pleading for a casino job and saying she would have no future without it was tragic. She was begging for a minimum wage, dead-end job rather than an education! And all the jobs would be concentrated in an isolated area of southwestern Ohio.

  •  Excuse me, but you just identified Shaker Heights (1+ / 0-)
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    and Cleveland Heights as "generally white, liberal precincts".  This is completely inaccurate.  There are large African American populations in both of these cities.  Please amend your description and information.  I do not have exact population numbers, but the public school system in Shaker Heights (where my son attends) is approximately 50% black.

  •  Poor people support loan sharks who take (1+ / 0-)
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    advantage of them.

    Is that the same type of relationship that the Netroots has with senate dems?

    ps.  thanks for the cool Google feature

    •  Poor people have been abandonned (2+ / 0-)
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      jmknapp, feeny

      by regular neighborhood banks.That's an issue that needs to be addresses as well.

      •  Poor people abandoned by politicians (0+ / 0-)

        Another interesting thing I heard during my taxi rides to the polls were versions of "Obama is always talking about the middle class, but never the lower class." Time and again I heard that from black folks otherwise excited about voting for Obama. They were not under the illusion that they were middle class--they were trying to get in. One young woman, currently unemployed with children, said wistfully that she would run for Congress to represent poor people, because no one else was doing it. Practically no one expected that the election of Obama would alone change things very much in their lives, but would require a radically different Congress and the courts too.

  •  Cash America will close 43 lending locations (4+ / 0-)
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    jmknapp, Halcyon, jimreyn, Losty

    due to this law.

    But Wells Fargo is filling the void with 260% loans -  which they can do since they are a "bank".

    Wells Fargo offers a service called Direct Deposit Advance, which permits customers to borrow up to $500 ahead of their paycheck being deposited for a fee of $2 for every $20 advanced -- that works out to the 260% APR mentioned earlier. But don't look on Wells Fargo for that kind of disclosure as it will only be revealed after the borrower gets the loan and receives his bank statement. It's not common for major banks to offer payday loans, but Wells Fargo is not alone.

    Legislation has unintended consequences.

  •  Really nice charts (2+ / 0-)
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    jmknapp, Halcyon

    I grew up in East Cleveland beginning in the 1940s.  When I was 12 a black family was moved into our general neighborhood.  I say it that way, because the real estate people had a deal with a brand new suburban development in Lake county.  The exodus would have made the European Jews proud.  White people sold homes like they were on fire.  This, boys and girls, was the origin of white flight.  Actually, it all started before the war, but was delayed until after the boys came home.  Looking at the vote maps on this blog shows much about the impact of that exodus.  Some things just never change.  In the 1970s I returned to bury my father.  The n------ stories and jokes were still going around.  In 1982 I returned for a class reunion.  More of the same.  I'm so glad I escaped the hypocrisy of good old Cleveland.

    "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

    by dolfin66 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 04:28:48 PM PST

  •  What was advertising like re: payday loans? (2+ / 0-)
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    PoPEar, feeny

    I'm making an educated guess that the lenders were pushing fear and disinformation to their customers. If you rely on payday loans even occasionally and the lenders are telling you they will go out of business if the measure passes, you might well vote no.

    •  That's what I was thinking too. (0+ / 0-)

      I vote absentee in a neighboring county (Lorain) so wasn't in the country to see how it was advertised.

      Steal a little, they'll throw you in jail. Steal a lot and they'll make you a king. Steal even more and you get a golden parachute.

      by PoPEar on Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 02:11:12 AM PST

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    •  The payday lenders had two major ads (1+ / 0-)
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      One, seemingly a farmer, that needed to buy a new belt for his truck saying that if he wanted to go to a payday lender to borrow 100 bucks to fix his truck that was his right - let people choose.

      The other was calling the issue a Job Cutting issue. Save 6000 jobs by voting No on 5.

    •  "Issue 5 -- the 'job-killing' issue" (0+ / 0-)

      Coming up to election day, the advertising push was "Don't vote for Issue 5, because you'll put people out of work!"  One ad villified the issue as the "job-killing" issue, imploring voters to strike a blow for workers by voting down this vile issue (which, of course, the payday lenders themselves paid to put on the ballot).

      Earlier in the campaign, the payday lenders ran an ad justifying their obscene interest, saying it only looked obscene if you calculated the percentage over a year (which is, you know, the standard way to do it).  You wouldn't calculate a hotel rate over a year, would you?  Seriously, that was their argument.


  •  Precinct 14-D (1+ / 0-)
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    Obama Zero!! smack dab in the middle of a sea of blue.

    Can you explain this?

    Hey and there is no "recommend" box on the tips jar for me... What's going on?

    Steal a little, they'll throw you in jail. Steal a lot and they'll make you a king. Steal even more and you get a golden parachute.

    by PoPEar on Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 02:13:17 AM PST

    •  This diary was rescued (0+ / 0-)

      I believe that comments can only be rated within a 24 hour or so window of time.

    •  Rotten borough? (0+ / 0-)

      I keep forgetting to eliminate that precinct, which has been around since at least 2004, and gets no votes, thus Obama's percent comes up zero.

      In England there were some MP's who basically had no constituents--their districts dwindled to nothing over the years but still exist, referred to as "rotten boroughs."

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