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Christians misappropriated the Winter Solstice holiday.  The birth of Christ wasn't celebrated until at least 300 years after he was supposedly born.  And the date of his birth is attributed to dates ranging from October until May. Many Christian sects, including the Purtitans found the celebration of Christmas to be immoral and just wrong.

I'm all for lit up Christmas trees and decorated homes.  Winter's dark days are helped along by the sight of those cheery lights.  Saturnalia, the Roman version of the Solstice celebration was a time of wild sex and drinking -- a tradition still found in the modern office Christmas party.

Giving gifts to each other to celebrate the date that the days finally noticablly get longer makes sense to me too.  We need something to do in the dark and snowy days of winter, and something to keep the kids busy and out of our hair. New toys and winter clothes and cheery thoughtfulness brighten those dark, cold days.

I am also all for celebrating that the days are getting longer at last.  Winter is tough and the darkness doesn't help.  Sunset at 4:15 in the afternoon stinks.  Hooray for longer days!

But I think the Christians should stop trying to keep the holiday all for themselves.  Many of those Christians don't pay much attention to the teachings of Christ anyhow.  They preach intolerance and anger at anyone who doesn't agree with their taking over of the winter solstice. I simply can't imagine Christ getting in a snit over that happening.

If the Christians want to make Christmas their own, I really don't have a problem  with it as long as they don't insist everyone who isn't Christian celebrate in the name of Christ.

I, like so many others, love the Victorian version of Christmas with the trees, parties, gifts, family gettogethers and feasts, cookies, and decorations.  But don't try to force me to believe that there should be anything religious in all of this.  

Originally posted to SusanL143 on Fri Dec 05, 2008 at 10:40 AM PST.

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  •  Tip jar (15+ / 0-)

    Perhaps a flame count would make more sense than tips but I'll put up a tip jar anyhow.

  •  We wish you a Merry Saturnalia (4+ / 0-)
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    lams712, JSC ltd, shiner36, SusanL143

    and a Happy Chinese New Year.

    "Hey Lois, look! The two symbols of the Republican Party - an elephant, and a big fat white guy who's threatened by change!" -Peter Griffin

    by stunzeed on Fri Dec 05, 2008 at 10:44:50 AM PST

  •  It's about money (3+ / 0-)
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    lams712, SusanL143, texcubsf

    don't let anyone trick you into talking about anything else.

    Fox News keeps the Cashmas spirit, in $ we trust.

    by 88kathy on Fri Dec 05, 2008 at 10:47:29 AM PST

  •  . (2+ / 0-)
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    "But I think the Christians should stop trying to keep the holiday all for themselves."

    Personally, I wish they would start.

    (-8.00, -7.18) I got my country back!

    by Arken on Fri Dec 05, 2008 at 10:48:34 AM PST

  •  As for that gift giving (2+ / 0-)
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    The Christian rationale for the gift giving is the gifts brought by the magi to the Christ child.  And that shouldn't be done on Dec. 25; it should be on Jan. 6 (Epiphany, and the end of the Twelve Days of Christmas). That is how it is done in many other countries. It also is a good way to delay gift shopping until the clearance sales.

  •  Brava. (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm yet another atheistic Jew.  I like putting up a tree and decorating in red.  I also like putting up a menorah and decorating in blue.  I just don't want anyone else telling me what that means for my immortal soul, or lack thereof.

    And Jesus was born about 6 or 7 BC, so we blew the millenium thing.  Oh well.

    In my world, there are only two colors. I prefer Blue over Not-Blue.

    by indigoblueskies on Fri Dec 05, 2008 at 10:58:40 AM PST

  •  I believe that our father the sun (4+ / 0-)
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    and our mother the earth are living beings.  I pray to them sometimes.

    Boy are they pissed!

    Don't agree?  No problem.

    I welcome the solstice as has most of humanity since we moved out of the tropical zones.

    The "war on christmas" nonsense is code for attacking non-believers (if there is a war, counterattacks are justified).  This induced paranoia is cover for believers persecuting nonbelievers and trying to establish christianity as the state religion.

    Ninth amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    by UneasyOne on Fri Dec 05, 2008 at 11:02:50 AM PST

  •  If we didn't have Christmas.... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...we'd invent something like it for this time of year.

    I appreciate this "holiday season", but I appreciate more for the deeper, pagan-based meaning far more than the alleged birth of someone who may not have even existed.

    "...if my thought-dreams could be seen, they'd probably put my head in a guillotine...." {-8.13;-5.59}

    by lams712 on Fri Dec 05, 2008 at 11:08:35 AM PST

  •  I'm really tired of the "War o'Christmas" (1+ / 0-)
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    My family is Christian but we don't get bent out of shape about the "Meaning of Christmas"  We do try to go to what we think will be a meaningful Church service or spiritual event-like going to hear "the Messiah"  I really don't care for children doing Nativity pageants.

    My husband is of Scandinavian decent and my people were Celts, Scots-Irish mostly so we really dig the whole Solstice thing.  Sometimes we have a big bon-fire.  We see this time of year as a celebration of light- of the return of light during the darkest part of the year, so we do lights, candles, yule log, that whole bit. But we also, in our Christian faith, see Christ as the "light of the World" so to us it makes sense to celebrate the birth of Christ the same time as the Solstice and the Jewish Festival of Lights-along with the other celebrations not to take the place of.  Being of Northern European/British decent, we don't celebrate Kwanzaa but if we got invited to a Kwanzaa party we would go.

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