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Obama doesn't just win, he rebrands the Democratic Party for decades

Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 12:58:39 AM PDT

While I've been feeling like this for a while -- especially with all the red state endorsements -- it didn't really hit home too much until I watched tonight's debate and then had to call my parents to talk some politics.

Both of these people voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004, but despite this, I love them.

My mother will be voting Democrat in 2008 whichever candidate is our nominee, returning back into the Democratic fold after straying during the W. years having voted Democrat for all the elections from McGovern until 2000. She's never fully explained why she strayed as she more likes to listen to my father and I discuss politics than talk about them herself (and oh I tried so hard to get her back in 2004, but Kerry just never clicked with her and the 9/11 threatening rhetoric did affect her psyche). I'm trying to woo her to the Obama side though, but haven't made the sale yet. She thought Bill was great and she likes Hillary. She doesn't dislike Obama but she said she loved them both.

My father, a Republican, has no business supporting Barack Obama but he does and probably will in the general election even as he can't quite explain why.

From talking to my Dad tonight I realized just how much the Republican Party is screwed if Obama is the nominee.

My dad, who has voted for a Republican for president in every election he's ever voted and only started voting because of Ronald Reagan and how horrible a president he thinks Jimmy Carter was, told me tonight not only had he registered at the Barack Obama Web site as he's reading up on things but he is still going to vote for Barack Obama this coming Tuesday even after his horror at immediately receiving an e-mail from Ted Kennedy in his inbox after he had signed up. (he unsubscribed to the e-mail list because of this... LOL)

My father has no business voting for Barack Obama... at least according to the pundits and Mark Penn-like microtargeting pollsters of the world.

He is a 59-year-old, white, rural, registered Republican.

He drives a pick-up truck, loves NASCAR and has owned guns.

He grew up in an all white farm town and he still lives in an all white farm town and while he never used the n-word when I was growing up, there were things he would say at times that I found racist or at least racially insensitive even if he didn't realize they were.

He owns at least two Ann Coulter books, even though I don't ever remember seeing him reading them. He also listens to Rush sometimes. He hated the Clintons in the 90s and he still hates them now.

But even more than that, as long as I can remember he's just hated Democrats.

Until the last couple years he refused to believe global warming was real and though he admits it now and thinks we need to do something about global warming, he still doesn't like Al Gore much.

Because of experiences earlier in his life he's always hated unions thinking their leadership was corrupt and they hurt business and non-union working people.

Reagan's welfare queen slurs worked like a tonic on him back in the day and he's still detoxing from that somewhat.

When I was a teen (during the 1990s) we fought all the time as I was the Rage Against the Machine-listening rebel stuck in this small town with small minds and my relationship with my Dad was very strained and we often fought as I thought him so sexist and close-minded about life I couldn't open up to him about anything. Certainly not politics.

Thankfully, as I matured, we've been able to talk politics from an intellectual more detached standpoint although as we've talked more over the course of the past couple years it's been fascinating how the extreme right-wing tilt of the Republican party, the exposure of its bankrupt ideology and the corruption and incompetence of the Bush presidency has helped move my dad more into the independent ranks and forced him to ask himself why he keeps voting Republican.

For instance:

-He disdains the "holy rollers" taking over the GOP as he distrusts religion just as much as the government.
-He didn't understand why Rudy Giuliani wasn't allowed to be a Republican candidate just because he's prochoice.
-He doesn't think people should have assault rifles or that threatens the 2nd amendment in any way.
-He doesn't understand why the Republican party doesn't understand how impractical it is to deport 12 million people and would be OK with immigration reform.
-He's OK with the Bush tax cuts not being renewed.
-He doesn't hate gay people.
-He's ready for the war to be over and doesn't really talk about the terrorists ever (not that my 2,000 person hometown is that much of a target, so I guess that makes sense).
-We talked about the mortgage crisis and I was talking about my frustrations as an apartment dweller who could have bought a house and then had the government bail me out and while I expected him to agree with me on this he didn't as he talked about something he had seen on 60 minutes talking about the execs who are getting all these golden parachutes even as they leave this subprime mortgage lending mess behind and how that's not right (interestingly, he had none of the same outrage over Enron as he still believed in Bush then).
-He now thinks Bush has been a bad president but he doesn't like the Democratic Congress much either as we just need "total change" so we can get things done without the bickering and division.

I have to wonder how many disaffected Republicans who should be Democrats like my dad are out there. I'd argue Obama's campaign shows there's a lot of them.

Still, tonight as we had our conversation he says despite how much he likes Obama he still thinks the Democratic Party stands for the belief that the government should solve all your problems whereas Republicans stand for the belief in personal responsibility.

As he was telling me all this then he went off into some Hillary tangent about how Hillary's plan is just to give people everything they want and she's too close to the unions.

Listening to his latest screed I couldn't help it but jump in and be honest with my dad and say, well, that's not really fair because Obama strongly supports unions too...

but he cuts me off.


"Yeah... I know... but Obama's different."

This same thing happens throughout our conversation.

Yeah... Obama's a Democrat, but he's not one of "those" Democrats. My dad doesn't know it but I think he's an Obama Republican.

He's read all the Rezko stuff in the papers, but as far as its ties to Obama, to him it's bunk. Obama is not corrupt.

He starts to tell me what he thinks of an e-mail I sent him pointing out the fact that Obama's Web site actually had a plan to deal with rural issues while McCain and Romney had no such plans and cutting and pasting things that sound good to me that I think he might like.

My father doesn't mince words. He tells me he looked at Obama's plan and it's "kind of shallow." It doesn't do enough to address problems he sees in terms of how U.S. farm policy on subsidies is tilted too far in the favor of Southern farmers to the disadvantage of Midwest agriculture.  

But then he says he went to Hillary's Web site (This is a total shock given how much my dad doesn't like the Clintons and I couldn't fathom he'd ever vote for her so I don't know why he'd bother educating himself) and he says her proposals are more in-depth but they all sound like pandering giveaways to him and Obama's farm policies are definitely better and he talks about what he likes in them from a practical standpoint.

He also says there weren't too many details at McCain's and Romney's web sites about anything. And that's about all he says about the Republicans because he wants to get back to discussing the Democrats.

We talk about the Kennedy endorsement and he says he disagrees with the Caroline Kennedy article (I had sent the endorsement to my mother, who was taken to see JFK speak as a kid and grew up Catholic hoping for the emotional appeal). My dad doesn't think Obama offers the same kind of hope as JFK because he doesn't think JFK was that great. He contends but JFK had a lot of problems like the Bay of Pigs and we debate his presidency for a while with me pointing out that yes LBJ did accomplish more legislatively but I point out how it's kind of unfair to argue JFK didn't do enough since he didn't get to finish his term. We wind up pivoting away from this talk and both agree how great this race is that it gets us talking about history this way.

My dad gets excited and talks about how THIS election is history and how funny it is how we've talked more in the last few weeks talking about the election than we had several months prior.

We went back and forth a little bit more, discussing various policies and with my dad taking a few more shots at Hillary and my mom finally having enough and defending her shooting back that Dad never like her except it used to be that he just didn't like her because she had fat ankles, not because of her policies. I wind up jumping in too as I realize that even if right now I'm not ready to support Hillary in the general election, when Obama is out stumping for her he will get through to me about why I logically should support Hillary as I do agree with most of her positions even if I have my issues with her baggage and how she's campaigned.

Not my Dad though. If it's Hillary-McCain he'll vote McCain. He wants change and Hillary isn't change for him.

So those of you on the fence over whether to vote Hillary or Obama I'll pose a question to you:

Are you interested in having an Obama Republican like my dad cast a Democratic vote for president in 2008 (and potentially many elections to come)?

I do, if only so my dad and I can keep these fun talks going. :)

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  •  I think one thing Perot took from Clinton was (5+ / 0-)

    the chance to win a majority and with it the chance to bring a lot of new Democrats into the fold. Barack is the most Charismatic candidates I have seen in decades. I really think he could bring in enough fresh blood to change everything. When we look at how the religious right has reconfigured the Republican party all of it is conditioned on lots of activists showing up at boring meetings and refusing to compromise (as well as showing up at every election).

    Love that "power of the purse!" It looks so nice up there on the mantle (and not the table) next to the "subpoena power."

    by Sacramento Dem on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 01:06:47 AM PDT

  •  Great story (3+ / 0-)

    Reminds me of my Dad and how much we discussed democratic primary politics.

    It's good to get this kind of 'outsider perspective', I'm always curious what makes independent voters tick.  I think Obama's message of personal responsibility resonates heavily with the leans-republican types.  To start with, he's a black man who's not forming arguments on racial lines, they love that.  And Obama has cultivated the responsibility message in a few ways, like by differentiating his healthcare plan by attacking mandates.  I don't think it's the smartest move policy-wise, but in terms of politics it may allow him to reach "personal responsibility" voters like your Dad and grow our party, strengthening the mandate for our whole agenda.

  •  My dad's a quasi-racist too (9+ / 0-)

    And he loves Obama.  He also grew up in a rural place, on a farm, went hunting, etc.

    According to my dad, "Obama doesn't talk like Jesse Jackson talked.  For Obama, not everything comes down to race.  I could work alongside Obama and get along with him."

    Of course, I'm a flaming liberal, and we have knock-down, drag-out arguments.  I love it.  Obama inspires families to talk.

    When Obama asks this country to do something, there will be legions of people who do just that.  People like listening to him, they believe in him.  People trust in his message and want to go where he tells them.  What's that?  You want me to discuss the merits of global warming legislation and call my Senator?  You bet, man.  First thing tomorrow.  I'll help you get this bill passed.

    This country is going to be great again!!!

    •  Obama gets the best out of our dads (3+ / 0-)

      and I like that.

      And I know exactly what you were talking about with the Jesse Jackson thing.

      When I first started to see an opening and started engaging my dad about Obama I was a little crestfallen after that first conversation where he said he was worried if Obama was president he'd just appoint a bunch of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton-types in govt.

      But I got through it and I'm still getting through it to get him to vote his values and his issues rather than the Republican propaganda about what a Democrat is.

      I think the online quiz he took where he actually most closely matched with Hillary and Obama with McCain next  was really a wakeup call for him.

    •  If finding Jesse Jackson annoying (2+ / 0-)

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      makes one a racist, then I'm a Grand Wizard in the KKK. I am really sick of Jesse Jackson being compared to Barack Obama. They are very different men.

      I'd have to seriously hold my nose to vote for Jackson, but voting for Obama will be a breath of fresh morning air.

      You know what? I do want Obama to be my hip black friend.

      by tampa traveler on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 01:25:38 AM PDT

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      •  LOL. I don't think that but... (1+ / 0-)

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        I do think that automatically making the connection between Obama and Jesse Jackson in that first conversation was racist in a they're all the same assumption.

        Thankfully though whatever people may have tried going after Obama on the black separatist tip or whatever the Clintons have done that some have said constituted race-baiting has just been totally ineffective.

      •  no, there's more to it (3+ / 0-)

        My dad says unsavory things.  On these things we have our fierce arguments.

        I agree with you, Obama and Jackson are very different candidates.  Too my dad, though, Jesse Jackson is the quintessential "black man", wherein every issue is race-centered and every solution is one involving race.  

        For my dad to draw a line between Obama and Jackson is to achieve effective color-blindness.  Obama gets to be judged on his merits alone.

  •  Now We're Forced To Decide What Kind Of Democrat (1+ / 0-)

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    We are...

    Are we the Party we always held ourselves out to be?

    The progressive party of inclusion, working for the greater good of the nation and it's people?

    Or are we the regressive party of greed, hatred, and divisive politics, controlled by the few self-interested DC wonks who "Bought and Paid" for it in 2004?

  •  I hated the Obama "mystique" and strange magic (11+ / 0-)

    I hated the Obama "mystique" and strange magic when I was an Edwards’s supporter and he wasn't getting the traction.

    And Hillary supporters find this Obama "spell" over people "creepy" (using words I read yesterday on dkos).

    The most maddening thing was that it was like this irresistible force and it was working!

    Once I got over my "grief" that Edwards would be out of it (after Iowa and esp. NH and NV) and analyzed it coldly I realized that I was pissed off at Obama for being so damn EFFECTIVE.

    That was stupid, silly and emotional. This Obama "effect" can be harnessed to change everything and win big with real realignment. Perhaps we can win with a new generation of young idealistic democrats as well as this very soft republican / independent type voter like your father and so many I know.

    This is a chance to change our political dynamic for 20, 30 years rather than try to re-fight the fights of the 1990's. If we stay with the 90's fights and nominate Clinton, your father and so many others ready to abandon/punish the Republican Party will not do so.

    Even my father in law, aged 75, who never voted "democrat" in his life and still listens to "Rush" (although with less respect) said he might vote for Obama depending on who the republicans pick. This is a man whose grandfather was in the KKK and whose large extended family is still infected with the disease of racism (and now republicanism).

    However when he speaks of Clinton his voice sounds like he is having a panic attack and he made plain that he would sooner vote for Satan over Hillary Clinton.

    This is all anecdotal, of course, but this Obama "spell" is interesting and it would be remarkably stupid for us not to use it to spank the Republican Party with a crushing blow in November.      

    The most successful war seldom pays for its losses. - Thomas Jefferson

    by Judgment at Nuremberg on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 01:33:31 AM PDT

    •  That is one of the most interesting and honest (5+ / 0-)

      comments I have read here from someone who strongly supported one of the other candidates before taking a look at Obama--the idea that you were upset that Obama is so effective. Thank you for this. I think our party, and indeed our country, has an amazing opportunity with Barack at the helm to really turn around the ship of state and move in a progressive direction for a generation or more.

      Great comment!

  •  Obama and white guys (7+ / 0-)

    I really don't know what it is entirely?  

    I truly cannot explain the sociological phenomenon.  

    But conservative white guys (the kind of guys who would never ever vote for Hillary or Jesse Jackson) really admire Obama.

    I simply cannot tell you how many of my hardcore conservative white guy friends say things like," Yeah, Obama, he's OK. I could see voting for him."  

    Again, I don't know where it comes from psychologically speaking, and in reality only half these guys would probably end up voting for him in the end, but I've heard it enough times now to know it's not a fluke.  

    It bodes very well for the future President Obama, the Democratic Party and ultimately for the United States of America. Go Obama!

    The Book of Revelation is not a foreign policy manual.

    by Dont Just Stand There on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 01:52:03 AM PDT

  •  I finally decided to read (6+ / 0-)

    The Audacity of Hope, and.... it's quite clear now that this is exactly what Obama's plan has been from the beginning. Seriously, if anybody here hasn't read this book (especially Obama supporters and recent converts), it should be required reading. The man knows what he's doing, none of this is a fluke. He laid out the premise that Democrats can't regain power by playing the Republican political game, because when you play the "liberal and conservative" game, the deck is already stacked in the Republicans' favor. He outlined a winning strategy in a #1 New York Times Best Seller...and it has taken most of us this long to realize what he described in that book. Put simply, his plan is to grow the Democratic base. How? By either bringing people back that had been wedged away from the party, or by awakening people who had been overlooked by pollsters for decades. This, on top of the Democratic enthusiasm wave both of our candidates are already riding, is precisely why Obama has always been the only candidate capable of a 10-20% general election victory this November over the Republican opponent.

    Think of it this way. Wedge issues. Rove has masterfully used these to divide the electorate into manageable chunks, which then vote in predictable patterns. The beauty of this strategy cannot be denied: utter predictability, magic numbers, "moral values" voters, yadda yadda... Obama points out in his book that not every American is so clear cut as "conservative" and "liberal". When you separate these two groups, there are inevitably some people who fall through the crack: they're either overlooked as marginal, or discouraged from participating altogether. I think in most cases, non- "conservatives or liberals" were simply not a part of the process, and wedge issues failed to motivate them into entering the game.

    I couldn't claim to be as brilliant as Obama, but it's clear that his message speaks to the people who were not adequately represented by "liberal" and "conservative" politics. He's playing a new game, and it's the reason I believe no Republican candidate will be able to touch him, no matter what the polls say (because these polls are still reading the score from the last game!). In Clinton, Obama couldn't have asked for a better test for his new strategy. If it fails to oust her tried and true machine, then it's a quaint idea that might be incorporated into some future political strategy. It's starting to look, however, that the rest of the field has no idea what is about to hit them.

    The themes of his strategy were clearly illustrated back in his 2004 DNC keynote speech. For all the attention it got then and since, few people seem to realize this is what he has been talking about all along. Again, if you haven't seen the speech that started it all, no time is better than now. This should be required viewing.


    Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or a politics of hope?

    by Mardish on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 01:56:19 AM PDT

  •  keep saying this (2+ / 0-)

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    HRC people don;'t want to believe this is happening.

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 03:03:08 AM PDT

  •  tell him Obama doesn't think (1+ / 0-)

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    The Government can solve all our problems. He says as much in Audacity of Hope.

    And we're glad to have him in the O train!

  •  Obama doesn;t just win . . . (0+ / 0-)

    . . . because he doesn't EVEN win.

    Rasmussen has him down six to McCain as we speak.

    But keep on keeping on with "hope-dacity!"

    The Democratic party: nominating unelectable Presidential candidates since 1972. (inapplicable within 3 years of Watergate and to the man from Hope)

    by raatzie on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:24:32 AM PDT

  •  My mom met 2 Republicans supporting Obama (0+ / 0-)

    in as many days (and bear in mind that very few of the people she interacts with are Republicans). I think there is something to his appeal that transcends party lines...I was reading some comments at Free Republic and National Review a few days ago, and a few posters seemed afraid of Obama. As one National Review commenter put it "he's impossible to hate".

    Now, I am not naive enough to believe that the right won't try to smear him and jump all over the latest National Review rankings and portray him as just another typical liberal. But because Obama is so appealing and still relatively unknown to the general public in terms of policy and record, I think a lot of independents and Republican leaners will at least give him a look, and I think a lot of them will like what they see. He seems to have the ability to frame progressive principles in ways that won't alienate people who aren't liberal idealogues, and I think there will be people who may not agree with him on everything but end up voting for him because they like him and see him as a fresh start. This is particularly important in this election, given that 1) people of all political stripes are dissatisfied and want some sort of change, and 2) John McCain is highly regarded even by those who disagree with him (even I find him to be mostly honorable and admire his service to this country, even if I disagree with him on just about everything). McCain will win people who don't agree with him because they respect him, and we need a candidate who can counter that by appealing to people who may not always agree with us.

  •  Wish my dad would feel that way! Any suggestions? (0+ / 0-)

    I was talking on the phone with him the other day, and he said if Clinton gets the nomination, he'll vote for her. But if Obama gets the nomination, he'll vote for Mccain! I was shocked.

    My dad is a fairly progressive minded man; he's the father of a gay son (that'd be me). He's very feminist and women's rights minded (pro-choice). He's a veteran of Persian Gulf and Iraq. He works as a nurse, and a health prevention specialist.

    I'm going to do my best to talk some sense into him. I feel like he's one of those people who has been duped into thinking that Mccain is a moderate.

    But I want to focus on talking to him about what makes Obama a better potential president, not what makes Mccain not a good potential president. I'll go that route if the first one fails.

    The problem is, when my dad and I start talking about it, my dad plays the "you're a naive young liberal living at a liberal college in a liberal city card" and I get furious and can't think straight.

    I need some ideas on what to say to him, things I can fall back on so I can keep my head on straight instead of flying off the handle.

    Any suggestions?

  •  Good diary (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks for it, and I believe we could see the phrase Obama Republicans.

  •  great story, Go Dad! (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks for sharing, modemocrat. I came over from the other Obama - republican conversion thread. I'm meeting more and more people who really like Obama, even if they would have never voted for a Democrat in the past. He's waking people up.

    Great title for your diary.

  •  This is a great diary! (0+ / 0-)

    You tell the story of your understanding of how your father has changed during the Bush years, and how he is reacting to Barack Obama as a real presidential possibility, in a way that feels very intimate and conversational.

    Thanks a lot mate!

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    We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in - some of us just go one god further
    -- Richard Dawkins

    by deafmetal on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 06:35:27 PM PDT

  •  i'm so glad I found this diary, it's wonderful (0+ / 0-)

    I hope you get rescued.

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:52:24 PM PDT

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