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Denny's Gone. Together, We'll Take His Seat

Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 03:19:03 PM PDT

First of all, let me say that I am working with the Foster campaign. Let me also say that I work only with candidates in whom I believe.

On Feb. 6, all hell is going to break loose in Illinois' 14th Congressional District, because a special election campaign to replace Denny Hastert in Congress is going to begin. That's right, Denny's gone, and we want his seat.

The special will be held on March 8th and it will choose the first Congressman of this election season. The hell will break loose on the 6th, because on Feb. 5, there is going to be a primary to decide who runs in that election...and turnout should be huge with Obamamania hitting his home state.

I want us to win that seat. If we do, it will send an unmistakable message to the country that there will be no safe seats for the Republicans in 2008.

But, let me tell you why I support Bill Foster in that primary after the flip...

BillFoster-Portrait2-LRBefore I met Bill in Chicago, during YK and at the Netroots Candidates Celebration, I thought nuclear scientist...?  running for Congress? Well, that's weird. And then, after I spoke with him, I was impressed. I thought, why NOT a nuclear scientist? And the guy was willing to step aside from this really successful job and do all the really hard stuff that comes with running for office. I mean, he told me that he knew unseating Dennis Hastert was not going to be easy, but after he worked with Patrick Murphy's campaign in 2006, he was inspired. And that's what the Netroots is all about...real people, even nuclear scientists, inspired enough to take on the powerful to change the course of our ship of state. Works for me.

And, since he made the decision to run, he’s been busting it to build a campaign, gather support, raise money (and donate his own money as well) and win this race for the people of the 14th District and the country. And it turns out 26 NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS think Bill's the guy to do this. How cool is that?

Also, local bloggers are in his corner as well:

Wurfwhile

Aaron Krager

and Archpundit has been a fan.

Here is some of what Bill’s accomplished:

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naralseiu

afscmeHe's also been doing the hard work of raising money. Yes, he has donated to his campaign, but look at these numbers through January 16, 2008:

- 1399 contributions
- $435,796.10 raised
- Average contribution is $385.32

Also, the campaign has raised $62,867.31 from donations under $200.


In terms of issues, you can find much of his platform here, but of special note is Bill's position on Iraq:

Foster, of Geneva, says he would not vote in favor of any blank checks for the war. He said he would vote for additional money only if an appropriation bill included "very strong conditions that effectively mandate withdrawal of the troops."

Let me say that I respect Bill's opponents, John Laesch and Jotham Stein...as well as their Kossack supporters. Both canddates have strenghts, but I think Bill is the best choice for the job...and, judging from all the support and endorsements he's received from the region's newspapers, local bloggers, unions and progressive organizations, I'm not alone in my thinking.

However, all that will be decided on Tuesday.

I'm here to give everyone a heads up as to what is about to happen.

What's Ahead

On Tuesday, Democrats of the 14th District will decide their candidate to run against one of two very right wing Republicans, Chris Lauzen or Jim Oberweis...and they are going after each other.

There is a unity breakfast scheduled for February 6, where all three Democratic candidates have committed to participate and back the winner of the special primary. Bill Foster will be there, and I know the party will come out of that meeting united, ready to win the first Congressional election of 2008.

If the winner happens to be Bill Foster, I'll be here organizing support to help us take that seat and send a strong message the Republicans won't soon forget.

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  •  Kick some GOP ASS (4+ / 0-)

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    I would love to see Democrats swept into office in unbelievable numbers and by incredible margins.  Starting with the former Speaker's seat.  Couldn't happen to anyone more deserving.

    So open up a can of whup-ass on them!

  •  I am concerned about BILL, a Businessman 1st, a (4+ / 0-)

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    Scientist 2nd and a Democrat 3rd...it almost sound like he should be running as a Repbulican.
    Laesch seem like the more progressive of the two. IMHO
    http://www.john08.com/

    At the core of the human spirit there is a voice stronger than violence and fear - S. dianna ortiz

    by Rachel Griffiths on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 03:30:04 PM PDT

    •  Not only that Rachel (1+ / 0-)

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      but he is Rahm Emmanuels pick. This has Cegelis, Duckworth written all over it and we now how congressman Roskam (R).

      I wish these people would stay out of our local politics.

      " In our every deliberation,we must consider the impact of our decisions on the next seven generations" From the great law of the Iroquois confederacy.

      by flatford39 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 03:37:08 PM PDT

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      •  Did Rahm Offically endorse him? (3+ / 0-)

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        From a progressive standpoint...not very good, however I doubt Bill is going after the progressive vote.  He is likely reaching out the moderate Republicans in the district who are disgusted with the Republican Party and looking for options.

        Has Obama endorsed anyone in this race?
        John Laesch's postion on the war, health care and other issues makes him the #1 progressive candidate in this race.

        At the core of the human spirit there is a voice stronger than violence and fear - S. dianna ortiz

        by Rachel Griffiths on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 03:43:02 PM PDT

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        •  Don't know if you would call it an (1+ / 0-)

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          endorsement but both Emmanuel & Durbin (just as they did with Duckworth) have come out indicating Foster is their guy.

          I agree with your strategy premise but I don't see it being successful. I am a progressive liberal Democrat (and very proud of it) and want a candidate that represents me & my beliefs. Laesch is much closer on that issue than Foster.

          " In our every deliberation,we must consider the impact of our decisions on the next seven generations" From the great law of the Iroquois confederacy.

          by flatford39 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 03:55:40 PM PDT

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          •  Maybe... (2+ / 0-)

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            ...but I think Bill is more progressive than he's been portrayed.

            He's somehow been cast as Rahm's evil plant in the race. That's just not true.

            •  Seems he has alot of the same players working (2+ / 0-)

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              for him as Duckworth did.

              http://www.fireside14.com/...

              " In our every deliberation,we must consider the impact of our decisions on the next seven generations" From the great law of the Iroquois confederacy.

              by flatford39 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:06:34 PM PDT

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              •  the cegelis people aren't supporting laesch... (1+ / 0-)

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                near as i can tell.  christine helped a different candidate in this race, and a number of the people she activated have, as well.  in fact, she was involved with jotham stein long before foster got into the race...

                "I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

                by bored now on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 06:13:41 PM PDT

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            •  That's my take, too. n/t (0+ / 0-)

              All my peeves are my pets.

              by yinn on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:20:56 PM PDT

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            •  Well (1+ / 0-)

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              I think you'll have trouble convincing the 20% (that's 1/5, just like I recently heard for Lipinski's district) of the district's population that are Latino that Bill's desire to make sure no one gets hired without a worker card, tied to a national database of people eligible to work in this country, with, and I quote, "biometrics if necessary" that Foster is "more progressive than he's been portrayed."

              Come to think of it, I know a lot of liberals who are not Latino or of recent immigrant status, who are appalled at the suggestion that they - or anyone else - not be allowed to work unless they biodata is on file with the feds.  Think about it.

              I myself found, along with a lot of other uninsured people I know, his suggestion that we embrace the fact that we should have some sort of healthcare system where, say, the homeless are going to get some sort of help, which is "not gonna be great" while the people who can afford it can buy the best of healthcare, more on the classist and elitist side than the "more progressive than he's been portrayed side."  But when you step back and consider the fact that he's a millionaire from a privileged background, who has worked in an extremely rarified atmosphere where he is surrounded by fellow scientific thinkers for his entire adult life, and add on to that his entire failure to talk to the voters of this district, at what point would he have achieved an understanding of the human condition that most of the voters in this district are coping with after decades of Republican rule?

              As for the fact that he refused downright to say that he will commit to opposing a pre-emptive war with Iran at the NIU debate, well, the students there found that way less than progressive.

              Bill Foster has not just outright stated his intent to join the Blue Dogs, he keeps portraying himself, over and over and over again, as way less than progressive and alienating the progressives and activists and plain old 65 year old plus liberals, of this district every time he makes a public appearance.  Which is probably why they are so few and far between.

              And I don't think he's Rahm's "evil plant" in this race, I think he's Rahm's, um, what's a nice word for "convenient multimillionaire who can shell out a lot of cash for mailers produced by Rahm's friends?"

              I can't think of a nice word for it.  Let's just say his willingness to spend, so far, much of the $1.4 million of his fortune that he's invested, at companies like longtime pal of Rahm's Pete Giancreco's The Strategy Group, makes him more than acceptable to Rahm, I expect.

            •  and at least he shows up... (1+ / 0-)

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              and does everything that is asked of him.  which is more than i can say about another candidate in this race...

              "I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

              by bored now on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 06:10:37 PM PDT

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          •  Durbin's endorsement is well known (0+ / 0-)

            but I haven't seen one from Emmanuel. Point me to it?

            All my peeves are my pets.

            by yinn on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:33:39 PM PDT

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      •  These comparrisons... (4+ / 0-)

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        ...aren't accurate.

        No one selected Bill to run. He's his own candidate. This isn't at all a Duckworth, Cegelis thing.

        I interviewed Christine Cegelis for ePluribus Media and was quite angry about what happened to her in that race.

        I am very sensitive to situations like that. Bill decided on his own to run, gave up a pretty good career to do it.

        •  That timing is off (1+ / 0-)

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          He left his position at Fermilab in a disgust over funding cuts (and who could blame him?  What Republicans have done to science funding under years of Republican rule is a tragedy for us all)moved to Washington to pursue what he hoped would be a nonpartisan career on the hill, discovered that was not possible, then decided to run for Congress, then moved back to the district, after he hired a bunch of DC insider consultants.

          •  Foster is a serious candidate... (2+ / 0-)

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            He looks serious anyway reading his note cards at debates.
            His Healthcare for Homeless-It's Not Gonna Be Great plan sounds seriously scary:

            "So what you have to do is make a transition on a low end, where essentially the homeless person who has no means can get something...It’s not gonna be great.  And then if you’re very wealthy, you should be able to buy the best health care you can buy and there’s a transition in there, somewhere in between.  People in the U.S. are not going to buy into a system where if you have the money you can’t get the medical care that you think you need and want to pay for"
            -Bill Foster, after the NIU Debate

            What I question is the seriousness of his paid staff after the Beacon News reported how Jotham Stein's campaign has been harassed by Foster's own campaign manager Tom Bowen, who apparently has the time send incessant disparaging faxes.

            "It was funny in the beginning, but 19 later they're becoming harassing," Green said Friday.

            Bowen acknowledged he sent the faxes, but wondered what all the fuss was about since such banter is "very common" in long campaigns.

            So Tom has time to do this days before an election but doesn't have time to update his website on women's health issues after a Planned Parenthood endorsement

            It was not done on purpose (3+ / 0-)

            Seriously, i've changed the issue section 1 time in 6 months.  We've been busy, understaffed and trying to contend with all this special election stuff.

            If you don't believe me, fine.

            TOM

            by BillFoster4Congress on Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 04:53:14 PM CDT

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            He then shows no signs of remorse in offending women with his joke.

            Green said the latest faxes, containing the references to the "---- in a Box" skit, were picked up by female staffers.

            "We took it in stride until the last two," Green said. Dismissing the comments as "a little bit of frustration" on Stein's part, Bowen questioned why the inter-campaign matter wasn't raised sooner

            Maybe Tom needs some time off?

      •  Rumor-mongering (0+ / 0-)

        I'm really tired of hearing that Rahm is running the Foster campaign, etc. You are repeating misinformation.

        It is NOTHING like IL-06 in '06.

        All my peeves are my pets.

        by yinn on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:20:08 PM PDT

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      •  feel free to show where rahm is involved... (1+ / 0-)

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        i've heard of the boogey man, and i've seen lots of strawman, but i'm completely unaware of rahm having anything to do with this race.  nor do i see any indicators that suggest that he's involved with the d-trip or any of the congressional races in illinois.

        not that you were interested in facts or anything...

        "I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

        by bored now on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 06:09:40 PM PDT

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        •  you are unaware of soooooo many things (0+ / 0-)

          hard to see why you write at all

          Possum for Congress Make Peace Possible. Jerry Northington.

          by llbear on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 10:34:51 PM PDT

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          •  please, feel free to enlighten me... (0+ / 0-)

            i've been asking for months for proof that rahm was involved in this race.  all i've gotten in return are smart alec replies like your's.  now, any reasonable person -- especially after last cycle -- would assume that if y'all had proof, you'd be screaming it from the mountaintop.  instead, you got nothing.  nothing but accusations and excuses.

            but i don't pretend to know everything, or even most things.  so feel free to provide verifiable proof that rahm is controlling foster like he controlled duckworth, or recruited foster to run, or has called him once a week like he did with all the candidates that he recruited.  i'd be incredibly interested...

            "I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

            by bored now on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:47:46 AM PDT

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    •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

      Foster is solid Dem and John should have run as a Green, IMO.

      All my peeves are my pets.

      by yinn on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:18:48 PM PDT

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      •  Then your MO (1+ / 0-)

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        is right there with the Overton window the Republicans have been trying to push on us for years regarding where the middle of the country stands.

        Foster is not a "solid" Dem, Foster is a conservative Dem.  Why he and his supporters try to shed that label only in certain places I do not know.

    •  Actually, Bill's running to represent... (0+ / 0-)

      the 14th District. As such, it would perfectly appropriate for him to stake out positions that are more conservative than those espoused by a Democrat running in Chicago.

      That being said, if it is the opinion of so-called "progressives" that enforcing laws and restoring a pay-as-you-go system are conservative, then the progressive movement would seem to have forfeited common sense in favor of dogmatic ideology.

      The truth is that the Laesch campaign has a case of sour grapes. So what if John ran before and captured 40% of the vote?! You need 51% to win. And, you're not going to appeal to the majority in this district with rhetoric about "worker exploitation" and abstract solutions like using our "economic and diplomatic power to push other countries to adopt fair labor practices and living wages."

      I'm sorry, folks, but let's get real. I'm sure we all want peace, love, and happiness. But, read the letters to the editor in your local paper on any given day and you'll see what voters in this district care about. It's two things: illegal immigration and excessive government spending.

      Any Democratic candidate who ignores those issues or who dismisses them as the rantings of extremists will lose in the general election.

      I'm sure that many will argue against capitulating to those political pressures. Myself, I'm not afraid to consider the possibility that conservatives may have some valid arguments. I don't think that makes me--or Bill Foster--a bad liberal.

      On the contrary, the difference between true liberals and conservatives is the former's willingness to remain open minded.

      "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken

      by Gaelic American on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 08:10:02 AM PDT

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      •  This is stupid (0+ / 0-)

        the letters to the editor in your local paper on any given day and you'll see what voters in this district care about

        What you'll see is what the Shaw Newspaper syndicate - as rightwing as any group in the country - decides to print.  That whole group of newspapers is losing readers in large numbers every year.

        If you really want to know what people in Illinois-14 think, ask them.  Do it face to face.  It's time consuming, but after 3 years of doing just that, John Laesch has a sample of about 50,000  voter's opinions.  It might be a tab more accurate than your theories.

        Possum for Congress Make Peace Possible. Jerry Northington.

        by llbear on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:23:37 AM PDT

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        •  It's always a conspiracy, isn't it? (0+ / 0-)

          When the media publishes opinions that don't tell the story you want to hear, it must be a ploy.

          Incidentally, everything on this blog is theory ... until tomorrow.

          "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken

          by Gaelic American on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 06:40:26 PM PDT

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          •  No. (0+ / 0-)

            None of the Shaw newspapers published anything about this race except once.  They went to the debate in Aurora - another one John won without the cue cards relied on by Bill Foster - came home and suddenly the LTE re: elections was closed - 30 days before a primary.

            Possum for Congress Make Peace Possible. Jerry Northington.

            by llbear on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 03:24:20 PM PDT

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  •  Sorry but I am going with Laesch (5+ / 0-)

    John got 40% of the vote last time and made Hastert come back here & campaign and spend money the GOP didn't figure on spending. For that alone he is my candidate.

    I was also appalled by the recent mailing from Foster that had Senator Paul Simon's likeness on the back of it.

    To paraphrase Senator Benson "I knew Paul Simon & your candidate as far as I know is no Paul Simon"

    " In our every deliberation,we must consider the impact of our decisions on the next seven generations" From the great law of the Iroquois confederacy.

    by flatford39 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 03:30:19 PM PDT

  •  Im confused (1+ / 0-)

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    Can you explain this -- primary and special election timeline???

    Was this an intentional difficult situation that the thugs tried to pull (and is it backfiring on them?)

    •  On the 5th... (5+ / 0-)

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      ... there will be two primary votes cast.

      - one to select the candidate to run for the seat in the Fall

      - one to select the candidate to run in the special election in order to serve until November.

      The special election will be on March 8...so essentially there are two primaries on Feb. 5 and a Special on March 8.

    •  lots of elections... (5+ / 0-)

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      It's always a bit complicated when a vacancy occurs right before the election year.

      The seat is vacant, which means that the special election primary AND the regular election primary are both happening on February 5.

      Then, the special general election will happen on March 8th - and the regular general election will happen in November.

      The winner of the special general on March 8th will be sworn in as a member of Congress immediately.  Which makes this the first opportunity for us to flip a GOP seat in 2008.

      ----

      I lived through something similar in 1995 and 1996 here in Portland, Oregon.  Senator Bob Packwood (of the groping hands) resigned in August 1995.  A special primary election was held in November 1995, which was won by Ron Wyden.  In January 1996, a special general between Wyden and Gordon Smith - won by Wyden.

      Of course, then Ron Wyden resigned his congressional seat - and we had the exact same situation... a special primary and a regular primary at the same time.  That was won by Earl Blumenauer.

      To make life really fun here in Oregon, Blumenauer was a member of the Portland City Council.  He resigned, and we had a special primary and special general to fill that seat.

      From November 1995 to November 1996, Portlanders voted something like nine times.  Crazy.

      [Anyway, a little full disclosure for me on this post:  My company hosts Bill Foster's website, but I speak (and ramble on and on) only for myself.]

    •  Thank Denny (1+ / 0-)

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      I don't know if he was totally selfish in resigning when he did, or if there's some political advantage for the GOP that I just can't fathom.

      All my peeves are my pets.

      by yinn on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:31:41 PM PDT

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  •  Count me as another local blogger fan (1+ / 0-)

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    OK, it's just my hobby and in little ol' DeKalb, but still:

    CityBarbs!

    I'm proud to support Bill Foster.

    All my peeves are my pets.

    by yinn on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:17:38 PM PDT

  •  You go Bri! (2+ / 0-)

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    And who is your diary lay-out nerd? Nice arrangements of endorsements. Fine endorsements as well!

    Hands off my Social Security, John McCain.

    by emmasnacker on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 06:27:36 PM PDT

  •  I know, I know (1+ / 0-)

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    I promised to go away, but just one small factual correction to this:

    I mean, he told me that he knew unseating Dennis Hastert was not going to be easy, but after he worked with Patrick Murphy's campaign in 2006, he was inspired

    It's not possible to unseat Denny Hastert.  Denny Hastert is no longer our congressperson.  He resigned.  We have no congressperson.

    The only Dem in this race who ever attempted to unseat Denny Hastert is John Laesch.

    •  It was at the time... (2+ / 0-)

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      ...when I spoke with Bill, it was August 1, 2007 in Chicago....right before YK...

      Denny didn't announce he wasn't going to run again until August 14, 2008....

      so when I spoke with him, Bill intended to unseat him...because he was still seated at the time.

      •  Good point (1+ / 0-)

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        but I can't help feeling it's kind of cheeky anyway to make such a statement when he never did anything to support - not just John - but any Dem nominee who ever ran against Hastert.

        In fact, during the long cold years of progressive activists working to try to keep the party's nose above water, and being happy if we could snag a county board seat, multimillionaire Foster never supported any Dem candidate who ran for any office within IL-14 or any of the county Dem organizations.

        I could go on and make a snarky comment here about the amount of checks he wrote after he announced his intention to run more than making up for twenty years of living in this district and supporting neither the party or a Dem - in fact I could give you a list of those donations - but you know what?  Those organizations and candidates are really strapped for cash.

        But seriously, if you were here when John was recruiting precinct committeepeople in all five counties in this district and training them and others to GOTV and canvass and phone bank, if you were here begging for five bucks from your neighbors for any of the Dem candidates who were fighting against a pretty solid block of Republican control, if you were one of the local activists working your a** off in '06 while Foster was in DC trying to decide whether he really had to join a party - any party, you might take as dim a view of his candidacy as the base does here.

        Am not trying to argue with you, am just trying to paint a picture of the opinion on the ground from the base.  

        And maybe it just particularly gets under my skin personally when Foster starts talking about "unseating Hastert" not being easy as if he is undertaking some heroic effort, when, despite the literal truth of your correction to me, pretty much the whole world expected him to retire well before this interview.  And when I was personally working my ass off to help John Laesch retire him in '06, Foster was writing letters bewailing the loss of him as Speaker because he was the last protection for Fermi funding.

        So, yeah, it irks me.  It irks a lot of really involved Dems here.  If he wins, he has already lost the core of the base, or at least the organic sense of enthusiastic support that is an entirely different thing from the majority grudgingly agreeing they should vote for him because he has the D after his name on the ballot.  

        So in the unlikely event Foster wins, I hope you will come back and tell us here in IL-14 this: how does a Dem win an election with a base who distrusts him and his motives and his very identity as a Dem, in a Republican leaning district?

        •  and the reality is, as hard as it is for you... (0+ / 0-)

          to hear it, that democrats hae to choose between sending a democrat to congress or sending a message to the democrats.  you would rather do the latter.  i would prefer the former -- but i don't have a vote on tuesday.  laesch has neither the funds nor the organization to run in a special election against either lauzen or oberweis.  there's no reason for democrats not to be competitive in the special, IF we want.

          apparently, your agenda is furthered by a hastert-clone retaining the seat.  mine is not...

          "I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

          by bored now on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 08:19:32 AM PDT

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          •  I was going to comment - (1+ / 0-)

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            but bored now isn't listened to by anyone so why waste the time

            Possum for Congress Make Peace Possible. Jerry Northington.

            by llbear on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 10:32:55 PM PDT

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            •  Amazing isn't it? (1+ / 0-)

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              How some people speak with such authority when they don't have a clue what they're talking about.

              Foster has no connection to the Dem base in this district.  IF he were to win the primary (a really BIG if), he will have no way to win the general as the base won't work for him.  They may VOTE for him (as I would), but they will not work for him.

              •  that's predictable... (0+ / 0-)

                just as the ardent supporters of the stein or foster campaigns will feel the same way.  but i'm pretty sure that we define the democratic base differently, as i've been told by elected officials in the district who are officially staying out of the race that they will be coming in strong if foster wins.  i'm thrilled to learn that you will vote for the democratic candidate in march -- that's more than many of your fellow laesch supporters will agree to...

                "I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

                by bored now on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 04:35:43 PM PDT

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                •  This (0+ / 0-)

                  that's more than many of your fellow laesch supporters will agree to...

                  is another crock.

                  I'd ask you if you'll vote for Laesch when HE wins, but since YOU DON'T LIVE HERE .......

                  Eh, you wouldn't anyway.

                  •  i don't deal in outlandish hypotheticals, anyway (0+ / 0-)

                    "I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

                    by bored now on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:06:28 PM PDT

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                    •  you don't deal in reality, either (0+ / 0-)

                      Possum for Congress Make Peace Possible. Jerry Northington.

                      by llbear on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 11:05:19 PM PDT

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                      •  The reality is . . . (0+ / 0-)

                        ...that the Democratic candidate has to appeal to a majority of voters in this district to win. That means progressives and moderates.

                        In my opinion, bluer-than-thou supporters of Laesch are like a mirror version of conservative Republicans who demand ideological purity. It's not enough to be a Democrat. You have to be a good "progressive" and tow the line on every issue or risk being branded "part of the problem."

                        "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken

                        by Gaelic American on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:10:43 PM PDT

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  •  Hastert announced he wouldn't run again... (2+ / 0-)

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    ...around August 14, 2007........and I spoke with Bill at YK which was August 2-5, 2007.

    When I spoke with Bill...Denny was in Congress and as far as we knew....he was going to run again.

    •  But the real story is (2+ / 0-)

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      virtually no one here, or anywhere else, was under any illusion he would run again.  In fact his early retirement at a point strategically favorable to Republicans was expected by all sides.

      From the Kane County Chronicle, the week Foster announced and when the entire district already anticipated his resignation:

      "We are still waiting for the congressman to let us know what he is doing," Hastert spokeswoman Lulu Blacksmith said.

      Blacksmith expects Hastert to announce any decision by late July or early August. Attempts to reach Schmitz on Thursday, the last day of the Legislature’s session, were unsuccessful. Oberweis also could not be reached.

      Two weeks before you spoke to Foster, Novak's column reporting Hastert would resign was being discussed on the MyDD:

      Former House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert has indicated to a close former aide that it is likely he will not run for a 12th term from his northern Illinois district and may even resign from Congress before his present term concludes.

      and on DailyKos:

      You can files this one under "WTF", but according to Bob Novak, there is a possibility that former speaker Dennis Haster may not only decline seeking reelection, but he may also resign.

      and it was being reported here that his staff had been told to look for new jobs:

      McLean County Pundit reports HERE that Hastert's aids have been told to look for work.   Additionally, Mike Stokke, reported last week by Bob Novak as the potential replacement, has posted a reply on McLean County Pundit saying he will not be a candidate for Hastert's seat.  Stokke wrote that if he runs for Congress it would only be in his own home district.

      Great scoop for a new Illinois blog.    And they're off...

      And this from CQ Quarterly:

      The presence of GOP contenders such as Oberweis is based on the widespread belief that Hastert is much more likely to retire than to seek an 12th House term in 2008; there are plenty of candidates on both sides who are preparing to run in the event he does step aside.

      And that's just cautious newspaper reports preceding the actual announcement and your interview with Foster.  

      No one here, no one, Democrat or Republican believed Hastert would run again.  Here, locally, in IL-14, the only question was whether Denny would resign or serve out the term he has failed to.  That he would not run again was such a given, a "known-known" locally from the day Denny lost the Speakership that anyone who was too far from the political grapevine in Illinois to have realized it is so out of touch with the day to day political reality here that they should frankly not be running for dog-catcher in IL-14.

  •  has to better than Laesch's horrible showing. (0+ / 0-)

    last year.  That was so embarresing to the party.

    Foster can seriously win this seat, not be a token candidate.

    •  Horrible? Nonsense. (3+ / 0-)

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      In 2006, John Laesch, an unknown, in his first run for public office, with no backing or support from the Democratic establishment whatsoever, did better against Hastert, while he was the sitting Speaker of the House mind you, than anyone -- let me repeat that -- anyone had ever done against Hastert since he was elected.  

      As for Foster, the last thing the party needs is another Melissa Bean.  Such Democrats are part of the problem, not part of the solution.


      The Progressive Fox -- www.progressivefox.com -- January 2009

      by n0madic on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 02:58:06 PM PDT

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      •  i really love the "elect a republican"... (0+ / 0-)

        that will be better than foster meme.  because, you know, if you can't get what you want, you'll pick up your toys and go home.  yep, that's how republicans win...

        "I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

        by bored now on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 05:29:20 PM PDT

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        •  Going home (2+ / 0-)

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          I volunteered for my first campaign in 1976, and IL-14 is my home.  So, I'm not going anywhere, ac, you better get used to me.  As far as I'm concerned, you're part of the problem, too.


          The Progressive Fox -- www.progressivefox.com -- January 2009

          by n0madic on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 11:52:56 PM PDT

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          •  i'm on record for saying that progressives... (0+ / 0-)

            should run their own again and again, even in primaries.  but i'm also on record as saying that if progressives can't put up decent candidates (candidates who will do their jobs, which is half fund-raising and half voter contact), they don't have much to complain about when progressives lose.

            y'all seem to believe that laesch is entitled.  hillary seems to make that same argument.  oooooooookay.  if laesch was a stronger candidate, no one would have gotten into the primary.  if laesch had raised enough money, hia name recognition wouldn't be under 50%.

            if laesch truly cared about the message he has, he would have been willing to do the hard work required to get that message out to voters.  my family in the district still hasn't received anything from laesch -- and they are faithful democrats.  y'all want to believe, y'all need to believe, and that's great.  

            i'm on this side for only one reason -- the inept idealism of progressives and democrats failed to prevent an idiot from immorally invading iraq.  i didn't switch sides to fall into that trap.  there is no frickin' reason for conservatives to be able to run and win virtually everywhere while progressives can't.  it's all about winning, about preventing the next illegal war, to prevent the next idiot from becoming president.  if you think i'm part of the problem, it's only because you've allowed losing to become acceptable.  it's not to me.  to me, that's how we got into iraq in the first place.  IT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO JUST TRY...

            "I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell

            by bored now on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:36:32 AM PDT

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