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FOLLOWING THE POLLS: The January Edition

Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:12:22 PM PDT

There has been an absolute deluge of polling in the month of January. Alas, virtually all of it is of the primary election variety, which this diary series (for the sake of my own sanity) does not cover.

That said, there were still new numbers this month from a total of 32 general election contests. Some of them have been diaried on DKos over the course of month, while others appear to be exclusive to this diary.

Follow me past the jump for the numbers....

First, a caveat, of sorts: up till this month, I had used the presidential polling for Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani, as they were substantially in the lead in national polling for their party's nominations.

What a difference thirty one days makes.

So, the new method for doing the presidential is rather simple: a four-poll average comprising the following four contests: Clinton-McCain, Clinton-Romney, Obama-McCain, Obama-Romney. Where I remembered to do so, the polling analysis will include the individual results for these races.

And, now, as fellow progressive Casey Kasem would say, on with the countdown....

AL-PRESIDENT: REPUBLICANS 57%, DEMOCRATS 36%
SURVEY-USA (1/23) polls here, as they do every month. After showing some signs of competitiveness, this state is rapidly spiraling out of reach. Obama (down 22 to Romney, and 34 to McCain) fares worse here, but it is not like HRC can be considered competitive in this survey (down 10 to Romney, and 21 to McCain).

CA-PRESIDENT: DEMOCRATS 57%, REPUBLICANS 37%
SURVEY-USA (1/23) polls here as well, and shows that the Golden State is suffering from an epidemic of Bush fatigue. Even "moderate" John McCain takes it on the chin here, losing to HRC by 19 and to Obama by six. Romney would be obliterated in California, as he falls to Clinton by 33 and Obama by 24.

FL-PRESIDENT: DEMOCRATS 45%, REPUBLICANS 39%
P.P.P. (1/4) polled here early in the month, and found no evidence that Florida voters were pissed at the Dems for denying the delegates for the primary election. Apologies, but this is one of the few polls where I DO NOT have the breakdown by candidate.

IA-PRESIDENT: DEMOCRATS 52%, REPUBLICANS 40%
SURVEY-USA (1/6) polled the state right after the caucuses, and found a huge disparity between Clinton and Obama in this Bush '04 state. Obama beats McCain by 17, and Romney by 26. Meanwhile, Clinton beats Romney by just eight, and is actually edged by Romney by four points.

IL-PRESIDENT: DEMOCRATS 58%, REPUBLICANS 37%
RESEARCH 2000 (1/24) finds that, as expected, Barack Obama would thump either GOP frontrunner (+21 on McCain, +27 on Romney) in his home state. The good news for Dems in general: Hillary Clinton wins easily (+14 on McCain, +22 on Romney), as well.

IL-SENATE: DURBIN 54% FAVORABLE, 39% UNFAVORABLE
RESEARCH 2000 (1/24) does not poll a general election matchup, but does offer a pretty interesting look at Durbin's favorable/unfavorable ratings as we head into 2008. A 54-39 split is better than many we have seen, but it does NOT speak to an insurmountable advantage. The Feb 5th Republican primary here will undoubtedly speak to how serious a challenge Durbin will face.

KS-PRESIDENT: REPUBLICANS 48%, DEMOCRATS 43%
SURVEY-USA (1/17) polled here in the middle of the month, and yes--you are reading that right. Both Clinton and Obama lead Mitt Romney in deep-red Kansas at this point (Clinton +3, Obama +2). Both, however, trail John McCain by a fairly solid margin (Clinton by 13, Obama by 14).

KY-PRESIDENT: REPUBLICANS 48%, DEMOCRATS 42%
SURVEY-USA (1/6) polled here at the beginning of the month, and they found Clinton in a considerably stronger position (up 6 on Romney, down 10 to McCain) than Obama (up 1 on Romney, down 19 to McCain).

KY-03: REP. JOHN YARMUTH (D) 49%, ANNE NORTHUP (R) 47%
VOTER/CONSUMER RESEARCH (1/14) is a Republican polling outfit, so take with salt. That said, even a Republican pollster has the former occupant of the Kentucky 3rd down to the current occupant. Northup is also getting an awfully late start.

MA-PRESIDENT: DEMOCRATS 52%, REPUBLICANS 43%
SURVEY-USA (1/23) polls this one, which shows a relatively modest Democratic edge here in deep-blue Massachusetts. The key is McCain, who only trails Clinton by four, and actually beats Obama by five. Ironically, the former GOP governor of Massachusetts (Romney) gets thumped here by both Democrats (Clinton by 24, Obama by 13).

MD-PRESIDENT: DEMOCRATS 50%, REPUBLICANS 40%
RASMUSSEN (1/2) does a rare general election poll here, and finds Obama in a much better position to hold the state than Clinton. Obama leads both candidates (McCain +6, Romney +21), while Clinton earns a split in the state (down 2 to McCain, up 13 on Romney).

MN-PRESIDENT: DEMOCRATS 50%, REPUBLICANS 39% (2 POLLS)
SURVEY-USA (1/23) polled here a week ago, and gave the Dems a modest four-point edge. Both leading Romney handily, both losing to McCain within the margin of error. U. OF MINNESOTA (1/27) comes in a few days later, and finds the Democrats in solid shape, with the closest race being a ten-point Democratic lead in the race between Clinton and McCain.

MN-SENATE: AL FRANKEN (D) 43%, SEN. NORM COLEMAN (R) 40%
U. OF MINNESOTA (1/27) also polled the Senate race, and finds this somewhat shocking result. Other polls have shown Coleman well under 50%, and in fairly weak shape. This is the first one I have seen that actually shows him losing to one of the Democratic candidates. It is also the first one to see a substantial difference in the general election numbers between Al Franken and Mike Ciresi (who trailed Coleman 43-38 in this poll)

MO-PRESIDENT: DEMOCRATS 46%, REPUBLICANS 44% (2 POLLS)
SURVEY-USA (1/13) came here in mid-January, and found both Democrats beating Romney and losing to McCain (HRC doing a few points better than Obama in each heat), RESEARCH 2000 (1/24) comes in two weeks later, and finds the Democrats winning all four matchups, with margins ranging from one (Clinton-McCain) to ten (Obama-Romney) points.

MO-GOVERNOR: JAY NIXON (D) 50%, GOV. MATT BLUNT (R) 41%
RESEARCH 2000 (1/24) polls this race (but hadn't Blunt already dropped out by the 24th??!!??), and makes us all lament once again that Governor Blunt had not decided to stick this one out. Waiting to see how Nixon will poll against presumptive GOP frontrunner Kenny Hulshof.

NC-PRESIDENT: REPUBLICANS 47%, DEMOCRATS 43%
P.P.P (1/21) polls the Tar Heel state, and finds a real spread between Clinton and Obama here. Clinton beats Romney by 7, and loses to McCain by 7. Obama lose both trial heats (-2 to Romney, -14 to McCain).

NC-SENATE: SEN. ELIZABETH DOLE (R) 48%, KAY HAGAN (D) 35%
P.P.P (1/21) polled the two main statewide downballot races as well. Dole still leads the US Senate race by double-digits, but she is still unable to progress much past the 50% threshold, if at all. Dole leads the other main Dem candidate (Jim Neal) by a slightly wider margin.

NC-GOVERNOR: RICHARD MOORE (D) 40%, PAT MCCRORY (R) 35% (2 POLLS)
Two pollsters here (P.P.P. and Rasmussen) come up with an identical margin. Curiously, after a campaign year in which the other primary Democratic challenger (Beverly Perdue) polled better than Moore, Moore has been the stronger contender against McCrory in trial heats this month.

NC-08: LARRY KISSELL (D) 49%, REP. ROBIN HAYES (R) 47%
GREENBERG QUINLAN ROSNER (11/15) polls this race, and they are a Democratic firm, so adjust your expectations accordingly. Kissell did not have a first-tier fundraising year, but he is a known quantity, and is polling extremely well.

NH-GOVERNOR: GOV. JOHN LYNCH (D) 45%, FRANK GUINTA (R) 32%
AMERICAN RESEARCH GROUP (12/19) gives us an intriguing possibility. After an election in which he almost set the state record for margin of victory, Democrat John Lynch may face a real challenge against Manchester Mayor Frank Guinta. Lynch still leads, but he is under the magic 50% threshold.

NJ-SENATE: SEN. FRANK LAUTENBERG (D) 38%, ANNE ESTABROOK (R) 24%
MONMOUTH UNIVERSITY (1/13) polls here, and tells us what we already knew. While Frank Lautenberg is a narrow favorite over his Republican challenger, his own lackluster popularity might make a real race out of it.

NM-PRESIDENT: REPUBLICANS 47%, DEMOCRATS 45%
SURVEY-USA (1/23) polled here as part of their monthly set of presidential surveys. Here Obama fares a bit better than HRC (although they both lose to McCain by nine points).

NY-PRESIDENT: DEMOCRATS 53.5%, REPUBLICANS 37.5% (2 POLLS)
SIENA UNIVERSITY (1/17) polls here and gives both Democrats reasonably good numbers (Obama-McCain is a two-point race). A week later, SURVEY-USA (1/23) found similar results (HRC a little stronger, of course, in her "home" state). The margins were about four points wider, though.

OH-PRESIDENT: DEMOCRATS 45.5%, REPUBLICANS 41% (2 POLLS)
P.P.P. (1/4) and SURVEY-USA (1/6) both polled here early in the month. In the SurveyUSA poll, both Democrats beat Romney and lose to McCain. HRC (down 2) is marginally more competitive in this battleground state than Obama (down 7).

OR-PRESIDENT: DEMOCRATS 51%, REPUBLICANS 42%
SURVEY-USA (1/13) shows (and I hate to sound like a broken record) that the Democrats struggle a bit against McCain (Clinton -4, Obama Even). It also shows (and I love to sound like a broken record) that both Democrats have a decisive edge over Romney (Clinton +16, Obama +23).

PA-PRESIDENT: DEMOCRATS 43%, REPUBLICANS 43%
RASMUSSEN (1/3) polled here early in the month, and they show a real cause for concern for Democrats. In this must-have Democratic state, both Clinton (48-42) and Obama (48-38) fall to Senator McCain. Both defeat Romney, with Clinton a few points ahead of Obama.

UT-PRESIDENT: REPUBLICANS 64%, DEMOCRATS 22%
DAN JONES (1/10) polls here, and finds no surprises here whatsoever. They did things a little different--they named all of the Republican and Democratic candidates on one ballot, and then asked for selections. Romney alone led with well over 50% of the vote.

VA-PRESIDENT: REPUBLICANS 46.5%, DEMOCRATS 44.5% (2 POLLS)
RASMUSSEN (1/2) and SURVEY-USA (1/17) disagree on exact numbers, but the average margin is the same in both. In the SUSA poll, we see that Clinton (+8 vs. Romney, down 9 vs. McCain) does a little bit better than Obama (+4 vs. Romney, down 12 vs. McCain).

VA-SENATE: MARK WARNER (D) 53%, JIM GILMORE (R) 38%
RASMUSSEN (1/2) polled here at the start of the month. As has been the custom throughout, the folks at Rasmussen have this race closer than anyone else does.

WA-PRESIDENT: DEMOCRATS 54%, REPUBLICANS 41%
SURVEY-USA (1/13) does their monthly duty here, and finds that Barack Obama is a much better bet in the Great Northwest (+31 vs. Romney, +9 vs. McCain) than is Clinton (+16 vs. Romney, -3 vs. McCain).

WA-GOVERNOR: GOV. CHRISTINE GREGOIRE (D) 48%, DINO ROSSI (R) 35%
The ELWAY POLL (1/6), which was heavily disputed by conservatives, shows real daylight between the incumbent and the challenger. Most polls, in fairness, have had this race closer. But virtually all of them have shown Gregoire in the lead. Remember, this was the most heavily disputed election in 2004, with a recount flipping the winner and giving Gregoire a narrow win of 0.01%.

WI-PRESIDENT: DEMOCRATS 47%, REPUBLICANS 44%
SURVEY-USA (1/23) polls the Badger State, and finds the common theme--both Dems beat Romney, and lose to McCain. Obama (+11 to Romney, down 2 to McCain) fares marginally better than Clinton (+9 to Romney, down 4 to McCain).

So...it does not take much to see the common theme.

The Republicans may be blundering into nominating their best candidate in a national election. Now, I happen to think that McCain can be brought back to Earth. But it is going to be a walk. Anyone who is measuring the White House drapes at this point for the Democrats has their head squarely up their ass. This is the first round of what promises to be a 12-round slugfest.

I suspect McCain might be at the zenith of his public goodwill. His numbers are ridiculously stratospheric (60-30 fav/unfav). No candidate has been elected president with numbers that lofty since Reagan in 1984. In an open seat, I am not sure it has ever happened. He can be had. But it will take work.

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Turning To Congress: The Democrats Will Pick Up ____ Seats in the Senate.

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  •  Tips, Comments, Recs, Love, Hate... (12+ / 0-)

    Off to Las Vegas in a few hours for Super Bowl Weekend, but I will reply to comments if I get the chance.

    Otherwise, talk among yourselves!!

    Have a great weekend....

    "You share your young with the wolves of the nation...
    Theres nothing left til you pray for salvation"
    Black Rebel Motorcycle Club "American X"

    by Steve Singiser on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:12:54 PM PDT

    •  it hinges on... (1+ / 0-)

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      ...who the nominee is

      please pardon the poor keyboarding, i can never decide which two of my ten thumbs to use, so hopefully some of you are fluent in Typo

      by TAPayne on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:23:35 PM PDT

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      •  well sort of (1+ / 0-)

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        I don't see a lot of daylight in the numbers between Obama and Clinton on electability against McCain.  Sure the Dems beat Romney, but both Obama and Clinton would have a heck of a challenge against McCain and that's something to be concerned about.  

        All these rediculous arguments here about how much MORE elecatble one of our candidates may be over the other in a general election looks foolish when you get down to basics.  

        McCain is going to be formidable because the mass public still thinks he's a moderate.  The general public (those who are not obessed about politics)  don't even realize that he's as hawkish as the rest of the neocons on foreign policy (100 years in Iraq), or that he's moving rapidly right on the economy with his new "tax cuts" mantra.  And is anyone going to call the media on their sycophantic love affair with him and his stupid "straight talk" express??

        Finally -- it is 2008. The national nightmare is almost over.

        by Delilah on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:57:15 PM PDT

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    •  Thanks Steve-- (1+ / 0-)

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      I always love your poll analysis; you're refreshingly realistic and resist the pro-candidate spin in your diaries.  I really appreciate your factual presentation -- I still have some of your polling diaries from the last few elections saved on my computer.  Wish I could recommend you 100 times.

      Finally -- it is 2008. The national nightmare is almost over.

      by Delilah on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:06:12 PM PDT

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      •  Wow...That's Very Cool Of You To Say.... (0+ / 0-)

        I wish I could have gotten this earlier, I had to catch a plane, and am sitting in a Las Vegas hotel room right now.

        Hope you see this comment.

        This diary series takes quite a bit of time, but hearing responses from folks like yourself make it more than worth it. I really appreciate your kind words.

        I'll have to remember this in October, when this becomes a daily (!) diary...(cries softly, tries to forget inevitable dirty looks from his wife...)

        :)

        "You share your young with the wolves of the nation...
        Theres nothing left til you pray for salvation"
        Black Rebel Motorcycle Club "American X"

        by Steve Singiser on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:45:07 AM PDT

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  •  Interesting numbers in WI (1+ / 0-)

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    Think we'll get any primary attention anywhere other than Milwaukee and Madison?

    The lesson of that history is that you must not despair, that if you are right, and you persist, things will change. -Howard Zinn

    by blueyedace2 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:21:42 PM PDT

    •  possibly (1+ / 0-)

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      on second thought, definitely, if the race is still up in the air by the 19th, when we vote. Only Hawaii votes on the same day, there's no contests after the 12th, and combined with the fact that there are no other contests for two weeks thereafter, there's a fair chance that the candidates would spend a bit of time around these parts.

      Unless someone scores a knockout on Tuesday, I'm guessing there might be a few panders to Lambeau flying around in a couple of weeks.

  •  I think McCain is the easiest candidate to beat. (1+ / 0-)

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    His 100 years war, ignorance of the economy, age, and various flip flops put him out of touch with most voters.  He is Bush's proxy in this race, and the photos of him macking with Bush would be a subtext of the campaign.  McCain may initially poll well because of a high personal rating and name ID, but that's really no different than Bob Dole.  We'll have a lot more money, energy and we're better on the issues.  

    Huckabee would be the most dangerous GOP candidate because he would revitalize the south and the Christian base and the guy is the only sensible Republican I've come across in two decades.  He would be particularly strong in the south and midwest where the bible matters.

    Romney would be easy to beat because of his low name ID and flip flops, but his money and his willingness to engage on economic issues make him a little dangerous. He is also a lot better on foreign policy than any of the other GOP candidates and could make Iraq Bush's problem while maintaining an audience for an aggressive foreign policy posture.  

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:49:12 PM PDT

    •  Yes he is Bush's proxy (1+ / 0-)

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      .. and he does promise the same course that we've been on.  he wants a continuation of this foreign policy and 100 years in Iraq and he's as uninformed on the economy as the current occupant of the White House.  But I don't see how he's the easiest candidate to beat when he has the media fawning over him, just as they did with Bush in 2000.  It is hard to get the truth out to the general public who don't watch the debates and don't know anything about him other than he's a war hero and a perceived independent. Look how long it took for Rudy to finally be divested of his 9/11 hero image (and we were helped by scandals and poor election strategy on his part).  I don't at all agree that he's easiest to beat.  I see shades of 2000 all over again -- no matter which candidate we end up with.  It scares me and it scares me that many people here don't see that reality and threaten to vote for him out of some purist notions.  

      Finally -- it is 2008. The national nightmare is almost over.

      by Delilah on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:03:18 PM PDT

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    •  Don't underestimate McCain's press fan club (0+ / 0-)

      There's a reason the Straight Talk express is still on the road despite the many factual and panderific roadblocks that should have derailed it long ago.

      McCain has many fans in the press, the same kinds of folks who loathe Hillary Clinton, and would make a race between those two a dangerous affair. You look at some of the conservative types who are running almost 180 degrees from their McCain is dangerous to the GOP rhetoric of just a couple of weeks ago, and you can see a GOP power structure that will eventually sacrifice their principles for power, same as usual. Our side, the people who are pissed off at Hillary around here will remain that way. Recall how Bush was selected in the first place, what with Naderites rejecting the Clinton-Gore thing to the immense detriment of the country.

      Even beyond his enablers in the press, McCain is a darling of the mushy middle, the kind of folks who look at the likes of Joe Lieberman and see instead of a traitorous weasel, an upstanding moral citizen.
      McCain is the kind of guy that can pull off a few votes from self-proclaimed Democrats. Combined with a pragmatic Republican electorate, that could be enough to deliver the White House to the GOP for four more years.

      I see McCain as the most dangerous of the GOP nominees, for the reasons above. He does have vulnerabilities, what with his age, and his Republicans heresies that might cause some of the GOP base to stay home in November. But....depending on who his opponent might be, he might be able to overcome those limitations.

    •  I Just Said This To Someone Last Night.... (0+ / 0-)

      I know McCain is polling considerably better right now, but in the long run, I think (a) he does not come off as an inspring figure (my mom, who is almost 70 herself, referred to him as a "crochety old man" last night), and (b) his issue positions will be easily cracked by the Democratic nominee.

      Romney is slick, but he is also, in an odd way, likeable. Republicans have won on the federal level a million times with candidates that looked and sounded like that guy.....

      "You share your young with the wolves of the nation...
      Theres nothing left til you pray for salvation"
      Black Rebel Motorcycle Club "American X"

      by Steve Singiser on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:47:11 AM PDT

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  •  Just play the... (2+ / 0-)

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    bomb, bomb, bomb Iran video over and over and he'll plummet right back down to earth.  I think Americans are all done with folksy, slow talkers speaking about anything but policies and issues and ideas.

    Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come -- Victor Hugo

    by BasharH on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:22:10 PM PDT

  •  Validates my concerns (1+ / 0-)

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    That Obama will perform worse than Hillary in battleground states vs. McCain

    "There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America" -William Jefferson Clinton

    by bluestatedude on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:27:57 PM PDT

    •  Not Substantially Though.... (0+ / 0-)

      The thing I took from it was, with a couple of exceptions, the difference between HRC and Obama stayed inside the Margin of Error...

      "You share your young with the wolves of the nation...
      Theres nothing left til you pray for salvation"
      Black Rebel Motorcycle Club "American X"

      by Steve Singiser on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:48:23 AM PDT

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  •  Fantastic stuff (1+ / 0-)

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    thanks for the effort!

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