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How does a leader act?

Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 09:59:23 PM PDT

Let me start with a few disclosures:

(1) I am an Obama supporter and have been volunteering for him.

(2) In 1992 and 1996 I was a Bill Clinton supporter and volunteer.

(3) In 2000 I supported and volunteered for Al Gore.

(4) In 2004 I supported and volunteered Howard Dean.  His loss still hurts.

Now, on to the point of this diary...

I have been struggling recently with the questions of (a) "what is a leader" and (b) "how does a leader act?"

I think both Clinton and Obama are capable of being leaders.  Each is intelligent, capable, intellectually inquisitive and articulate.  Each has the skills I think necessary to be a leader for our times.  [I think Obama has additional desirable qualities that I look for in my leaders, but that is a discussion for another time.]  

However, I think only one of them is currently acting as a leader.  To demonstrate my position, I started making a list of all of the situations and circumstances that I thought demonstrated Obama's leadership (calling us to higher goals, speaking truthfully to unfriendly audiences (e.g., fuel standards in Michigan), etc.).  In the end however, my list really became about one point.  It is a simple point, but one that appears to be lot by our current batch of talking heads on CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the sorry lot.

A leader doesn't whine.

A little background: I am the youngest of four boys.  I was constantly getting smacked around as a kid.  And as my brothers and my parents constantly reminded me, "Life isn't fair."  It is a lesson that I have carried with me all of my thirty-five years.

Over the last few weeks it appears to me that Clinton has forgotten this very basic point.  Let me highlight a few examples:

(A)  This talking-point that Obama is winning caucuses because either (i) Hillary's supporters work and cannot get to caucus sites, (ii) Barack's got better ground operations in certain states which results in better turn out for him, and (iii) Barack has more money to spend on advertisements in states like Washington, Nebraska and Louisiana.

First, (i) is a ridiculous statement as other diaries have already discussed and doesn't need to be addressed further here (except to note that I work six to seven days a week, long friggin' hours each day).  Rachel Maddow has it right (as noted in another diary) -- a leader campaigns in every state or doesn't whine about turn-out when the turn-out is consistently breaking all historical records.

Second, (ii) is similarly a ridiculous statement.  Why, per chance, might Barack have a better ground operation?  Could it be because he leads a campaign that has operated within budget (i.e., hasn't need to dip into personal finances to stay afloat)?  

Third, (iii) is just silly.  Hillary trumpets her $10MM raised in February, but then suggests her defeat in three different states on the same day is because she didn't have the finances to air her message.  This is a campaign that has raised over $100MM but apparently failed to properly budget and allocate those amounts.  She bet heavily on Super Tuesday, which is fine.  But to then complain that her subsequent losses are the result of a thin wallet...well, to me, it smacks of desperation.  

(B)  The Shuster issue.  What Shuster said was thoughtless and inappropriate.  But Wolf Blitzer, Chris Matthews and others have said a lot worse, a lot more often.  And, more importantly, compared to what will be coming from the Republicans in the fall, it is mere preamble.  A preseason scrimmage.  

Shuster's comment was a one word gaff.  A bad mistake.  A hurtful mistake.  But just a mistake.  Calling for Shuster's firing (which the Clinton campaign has since backed away from) is just plain minor league.  It isn't inside baseball, it isn't softball, its T-ball.  Whining about Shuster's use of "pimp" to convey his perception of a double standard surrounding the use of Chelsea as a surrogate -- especially after the Clintons' so called misstatement and misunderstandings concerning race arising in New Hampshire and the weeks that followed -- is hypocrisy in its most basic form.

A leader doesn't whine.  Or play the victim.  Or call take a dive in the penalty box (soccer reference).  A leader leads.  A leader calls us to greater action.  To sacrifice.  To contribute.  To act.  

Back in 1992 and 1996 and the four years that followed each election, I saw leadership in Hillary.  I saw her push her agenda, against a Republican majority, despite a country whose attention was focused on her husband's misbehavior and adultery.  

I remember when Hillary demonstrated these characteristics.  When she led.  I remember those days with fondness.  I miss those days.  Unfortunately, I don't think they are coming back.

In the last six years, I have seen Hillary authorize a war (subsequently denying what we all knew at the time -- that the vote was a vote to authorize a war, nothing less).  I have seen Hillary pander to those who would censor speech, standing side by side with Lieberman to call for prohibitions on certain entertainment content.  I have watched with dismay as Hillary has abandoned the progressive agenda to appease the middle, trying to make herself electable and inevitable.  

I have taken her actions to be an admission that she no longer wants to lead, she just wants to win.  And win at any cost.  Which, in my mind, explains her actions and statements (and the statements of her surrogates, including Bill Clinton) in the days leading up to and following New Hampshire.  She doesn't care how she does it, she just wants to win.  If she has to whine to do it, so be it.  

But that isn't leadership.  That is not leadership.

And that is why she lost my vote.  The fact that she is now whining about things that will look like child's play come October, well that just confirms to me that whatever leadership qualities she once possessed have been abandoned to the all-consuming desire to win.  To appear electable.  To seek power for the sake of power.  But not to lead.  Not to lead.  

And it hurts this (soon-to-be-former?!?) yellow dog Democrat to say that if she is our candidate, I will not be voting the head of the ticket.  

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  •  Both sides have whined. (0+ / 0-)

    His Holiness most notably about the "fairy tale" comment.

    Both sets of supporters have whined.

    Does this mean this party has no leader?

    The Democratic party: nominating unelectable Presidential candidates since 1972. (inapplicable within 3 years of Watergate and to the man from Hope)

    by raatzie on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:01:01 PM PDT

    •  are you calling BillO "his holiness"? (2+ / 0-)

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      Bill Clinton was the one whinning and lying about Obamas record and was the one who said "fairy tale".

      Grandpa is mean and he smells funny.

      by MadAsHellMaddie on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:07:43 PM PDT

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      •  I'm sure a Hill-billy supporter . . . (0+ / 0-)

        . . . would counter with "I know you are, but what am I?"

        As my candidate is out of this race, I'll simply ignore you.

        The Democratic party: nominating unelectable Presidential candidates since 1972. (inapplicable within 3 years of Watergate and to the man from Hope)

        by raatzie on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:09:54 PM PDT

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        •  Well as a Catholic why are you insulting (0+ / 0-)

          my religion?

          Grandpa is mean and he smells funny.

          by MadAsHellMaddie on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:11:40 PM PDT

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          •  <checks insult reference book> . . . (0+ / 0-)

            . . . Ah, yes.  This may work.

            I am rubber.

            And you are glue . . .

            I'm sorry.  I'm not very good at this whole bickering thing.

            The Democratic party: nominating unelectable Presidential candidates since 1972. (inapplicable within 3 years of Watergate and to the man from Hope)

            by raatzie on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:14:00 PM PDT

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            •  Well, Maddie is a pro. (1+ / 0-)

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              LNK

              Check her comments history.

              Ah, another diary with comments featuring incivility, rude candidate nicknames, insults, and threats to vote for McCain.

              Man.

              •  Well, at least . . . (0+ / 0-)

                . . . I'm an equal opportunity insulter.

                The Democratic party: nominating unelectable Presidential candidates since 1972. (inapplicable within 3 years of Watergate and to the man from Hope)

                by raatzie on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:20:00 PM PDT

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              •  I never said I would vote for McCain (0+ / 0-)

                I said I may choose not to vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.  And I will insult anyone who insults me first, if I feel up to it.

                Grandpa is mean and he smells funny.

                by MadAsHellMaddie on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:20:05 PM PDT

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                •  you will insult anyone, actually (0+ / 0-)

                  whether they engage you or not.  I have been paying attention.  Your posts are almost always hostile, aggressive, or argumentative.   I guess your username was aptly chosen.

                  You join the diarist in threatening to enable McCain if Hillary is the nominee.   Who knows what you would actually do when faced with that choice.

                  John McCain short-fused and angry, and I think that you would probably agree that an angry person would be the worst possible choice for our divided, broken country.   He is the anti-Obama, and anything you do to enable him flies in the face of the good that you see and support in Barack.

                  •  As the author of the diary... (0+ / 0-)

                    ...I am not threatening to enable McCain.  I just won't be a party to Hillary's type of politics.  I won't be voting for McCain either.  I will still vote, just not for Presidency.

          •  By the way . . . (0+ / 0-)

            . . . this whole thing about me insulting your religion.

            That's such a fairy tale.

            The Democratic party: nominating unelectable Presidential candidates since 1972. (inapplicable within 3 years of Watergate and to the man from Hope)

            by raatzie on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:17:03 PM PDT

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      •  Bill didn't lie...."fairy tale" (0+ / 0-)

        Obama spoke out against the war because he thought it was bad strategy; later voted continued funding.

        Obama is no Dennis Kucinich....hence the fairy tale remark.

        I want to see a true patriot leader who will investigate crimes against humanity and prosecute the war criminals who planned the illegal invasion of Iraq and led the massive campaign to fix the facts around their policy.

        Best Diary of the Year? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/23/03912/3990

        by LNK on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:32:14 PM PDT

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        •  you confuse her vote for war with funding (1+ / 0-)

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          CLINTONS MADE DEBUNKED ATTACK ON OBAMA'S IRAQ WAR OPPOSITION

          ATTACK: 1/7/08

          Bill Clinton Attacked Obama For Saying In 2004, During The Democratic Convention, That He Didn't Know How He Would Have Voted On The Iraq War Resolution And Saying That There Was No Difference Between Himself And Bush On The War. The very thing that Hillary Clinton doesn't need is what she got from Bill Clinton at a campaign event at Dartmouth College. That's where he accused the media of being soft on Obama, of having a double standard when it comes to the Illinois senator and the former First Lady. Bill Clinton said "But since you raised the judgment issue, let's go over this again. That is the central argument for his campaign. 'It doesn't matter that I started running for president less a year after I got to the Senate from the Illinois State Senate. I am a great speaker and a charismatic figure and I'm the only one who had the judgment to oppose this war from the beginning. Always, always, always.' ... It is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, numerating the years, and never got asked one time, not once, 'Well, how could you say, that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war and you took that speech you're now running on off your website in 2004 and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since?' Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen." [Chicago Tribune, 1/8/08]

          DEBUNKED: 3/22/07, 1/7/08 & 1/12/08

          New York Times: "A Review Of Mr. Obama's Statements On Iraq Since 2002 Shows That He Has Opposed The War Against Saddam Hussein Consistently." The New York Times reported, "Over the last week, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign has opened a new offensive against Senator Barack Obama: Former President Bill Clinton has asserted that Mr. Obama was initially ambivalent about the Iraq war, and Mrs. Clinton's strategist has highlighted his votes to finance a war he says he opposes. But a review of Mr. Obama's statements on Iraq since 2002 shows that he has opposed the war against Saddam Hussein consistently, calling it 'dumb' and 'rash.'" [New York Times, 3/22/07]

          TPM: Clearly Obama Was Pointing To The Fact That He Wasn't In The Senate At The Time As A Way Of Tactfully Avoiding Criticizing His Party's VP And Presidential Nominees; It's Pretty Clear That Obama Was In Fact Against The War At The Time. "So, clearly, Obama was pointing to the fact that he wasn't in the Senate at the time as a way of tactfully avoiding criticizing his party's presidential and vice-presidential nominees. It's perfectly clear that Obama was in fact against the war at the time. His position then -- as now -- was that the case for war had not been made and that the invasion wasn't justified." [TPM, 1/12/08]

          Washington Post Fact Checker: Bill Clinton Comments About Obama's 2004 Convention Iraq Statements "Are Somewhat Misleading Snippets From News Paper Interviews Obama Gave Before The Convention;" The Clinton Campaign Left Out That Important Last Sentence... When It E-Mailed Reporters With Backup Materials For The Inconsistency Claim. "I just came from a Bill Clinton town hall meeting in Peterborough. The news nugget out of the meeting was his attack on Barack Obama for alleged inconsistency over the Iraq war. The former president reminded his audience that Obama had made a big deal out of a 2002 speech opposing the invasion of Iraq. According to Clinton, opposition to the war in Iraq has become "the central logic" behind the Obama presidential campaign. Clinton then expressed surprise that Obama has been allowed to get away with a statement in 2004, "at the Democratic Convention," saying that there was "not much difference" between him and George W. Bush on Iraq. He also quoted Obama as saying that he "did not know" how he would have voted on the now-contentious 2002 Senate resolution authorizing military action in Iraq, had he been in the Senate at the time. The way Clinton said all this, it sounded as if these statements were part of Obama's big speech to the convention, which marked his introduction to big-time politics. In fact, they are somewhat misleading snippets from newspaper interviews that Obama gave before the convention. As the keynote speaker, Obama was trying to be loyal to the Democratic nominees, John Kerry and John Edwards, both of whom had voted in favor of the war authorization resolution, along with Hillary Clinton. In an interview reported by the New York Times on July 26, on the first day of the convention, he reiterated his opposition to the war but declined to criticize Kerry and Edwards, saying he was "not privy to Senate intelligence reports." He then continued: "What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.' (The Clinton campaign left out that important last sentence when it e-mailed reporters with backup material for the inconsistency claim, which was also made by Hillary Clinton in the televised debate Saturday night.) In an interview published in the Chicago Tribune the following day (July 27,2004), Obama said that he would have voted "no" on the Senate resolution. But he said he was not in favor of "pulling out now." On the issue of whether to stay in Iraq [in 2004], he said "there's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage." The context of his remarks makes clear that he was not referring to the original decision to go into Iraq, but the question of whether to remain." [Washington Post Fact Checker, 1/7/08]

          Grandpa is mean and he smells funny.

          by MadAsHellMaddie on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:55:56 PM PDT

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          •  People took it to mean Bill said (0+ / 0-)

            the whole elevation of Obama to Presidential candidate was based on fairy tales.............That's what I mean.

            Best Diary of the Year? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/23/03912/3990

            by LNK on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 11:03:40 PM PDT

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  •  didn't she cry again today? (1+ / 0-)

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    I thought I read that somewhere.

    "I'm not a Muslim,...not that there's anything wrong with it." what Obama should say

    by steelman on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:02:56 PM PDT

  •  I'll support our nominee (4+ / 0-)

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    peraspera, LNK, watercarrier4diogenes

    because there is way too much at stake not to do so. Our nation can't afford another Scalia, Alito or Roberts.

    "In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope."

    by Pacific NW Mark on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:07:55 PM PDT

  •  I'm Not Going to Characterize These Strategies Bu (3+ / 0-)

    here's an exit poll fact from LA reported on CNN.

    Obama voters would be 50% OK and 50% dissatisfied if Clinton wins.

    Clinton voters would be 2:1 dissatisfied if Obama wins.

    This includes all voters so presumably it includes the so-called fickle youth and crossover vote, and blacks.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:08:15 PM PDT

  •  well said (0+ / 0-)

    To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men~~ Abraham Lincoln

    by Tanya on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:09:01 PM PDT

  •  I'll be convinced either or both is a leader (2+ / 0-)

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    when they hightail it back to DC Sunday night and start beating the sh*t out of their fellow Senators until the dolts block Telecom immunity and warrantless wiretapping.

    Not to mention them dropping in on the House Progressive Dem Caucus and backing them to the hilt on the domino effect impeachment path:

    Bradbury/Cheney/Bush

    Conservatism is a function of age - Rousseau
    I've been 19 longer'n you've been alive - me

    by watercarrier4diogenes on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:09:40 PM PDT

  •  A leader should (5+ / 0-)

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    read the fucking NIE, and take going to war seriously, instead of using a critical vote to shore up their position in an election five fucking years down the road.

    She shouldn't have been thinking about how to win the next election, but why.

  •  Campaigning vs Being a Leader. (2+ / 0-)

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    Edgar, Kimball Cross

    I've been observing political campaigns since Eisenhower's first one.

    Only perceived leaders get into the race.

    While campaigning they behave differently than when they get into office.

    Disclaimer: I'll vote happily for either HRC or Obama in the GE.

    JFK was a fantastic, energizing, transformative candidate but once in office he sort of turned to pudding for quite a while.

    Consider only the constant effort needed to push for Progressive Agenda. It will only come from bottom up, not matter who is elected or whether they act like leaders, tyrants, puddings, or mediocrities.

    Best Diary of the Year? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/23/03912/3990

    by LNK on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:27:03 PM PDT

  •  Yanno (3+ / 0-)

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    I think Hillary is really smart.  I'm amazed at her ability to articulate her 10 points to solve every problem.  I think she knows a lot.  But, there is a word for her.  It is: Technocrat.

    I think Barack is really smart.  I'm amazed at his positions on issues like net neutrality, Americans with disabilities, his comprehension of international issues.  I think he knows a lot.  But, there's a word for him:  It is Statesman.

    Never get the mothers too angry.

    by pvlb on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:37:15 PM PDT

  •  Here's my example: on the paramount domestic (1+ / 0-)

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    Edgar

    issue---health care---Hillary lays out a proposal which has an essential element--mandates---which is unpalatable to many. Because mandates are absolutely necessary to keep costs down (if you compare the Obama and Clinton per capita costs, hers is FAR superior) she does not sugarcoat this part.
    Obama, on the other hand, doesn't argue that mandates won't work---because he can't: instead he starts whining that people ought to be able to choose.
    Yeah right. In that case they ought to be able to choose to invest their SS money into private accounts, right?

    Only one candidate has been a leader on health care (not counting Edwards now). The other has been a miserable failure.

    •  Quoting you ... (1+ / 0-)

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      ... "Only one candidate has been a leader on health care (not counting Edwards now). The other has been a miserable failure."

      Then, presuming you mean Hillary, why is it that nobody followed her when she released that multi-volume Hillary Care manual in 1993/94. Even Bill refused to follow her.

      The quintessential aspect of leadership is having followers.

      •  I gave you one aspect of leadership, which (0+ / 0-)

        is telling it straight.
        In 1993, Hillary wasn't President, and the Newts were on the rise, with lots of money to burn on misleading advertising. This time it will be different.

    •  Oh yeah, brilliant strategy. (0+ / 0-)

      Alienate the anti-authoritarians. And then alienate them some more by drawing a false moral equivalence to build a straw man. Yes, that'll help you take the White House from the Republicans!

      Punk.

      I also believe we must impeach Antonin Scalia for protection from his inhumanity.

      by SciVo on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 02:26:56 AM PDT

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  •  And she said (0+ / 0-)

    Didn't she also say in one of her speeches that " a politician looks to the next election, while a leader looks to the future"

  •  I have no quarrel with the Diary (0+ / 0-)

    except for the bottom line. If he's a true Barackhead, he will follow Obama's recommendation to work for and support the eventual winner of the Democratic Party's nominee.

  •  by example (0+ / 0-)

    "There are many truths of which the full meaning cannot be realized until personal experience has brought it home." John Stuart Mill

    by kuvasz on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:33:04 PM PDT

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