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Obama's Caucus Success: A Passion Gap?

Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:39:00 PM PDT

In the past week, there has been a lot of talk about Obama's tendency to excel with the caucus format. Several theories have been presented, including a superior ground organization, campaign stops in Super Tuesday caucus states that Clinton wrote off, and favorable demographics. While these explanations, particularly the first two, are definitely factors, there may be another factor that works in Obama's favor: an enthusiasm gap. The lopsided margins in a lot of the caucus states may be partially attributed to demographics and organization, but they might also be indicative of Obama's supporters being more passionate, and thus more willing to spend the additional time participating in a caucus.

Many Clinton supporters, as well as other Democrats who are concerned about fairness, have argued that caucuses are less democratic than primaries, since they require more of the voter's time and give a shorter time frame to participate. This is a valid argument, and this article is not a defense of the caucus format. It is simply an examination of why Obama has excelled at this format, with the premise that in addition to organization and demographic factors, Obama has benefited from an advantage in terms of the enthusiasm of his supporters.

Obama has undeniably had the superior ground organization in most of the caucus states. As a former community organizer, Obama probably understands the importance of a strong field operation better than a lot of candidates, who believe they can win elections on the air. Obama's ground organization was a big part of his success in Iowa, which most polls were showing to be a three-way dead heat in the days before the caucuses. A good ground game definitely helps, but that alone does not enable a candidate to win by margins better than 2-1, as Obama has done in many of the caucus states since Iowa.

Another factor that helps to explain Obama's success in caucus states is the fact that he has paid them more attention. Going into Super Tuesday, Obama's campaign concentrated a lot of resources on organizing some of the caucus states, while Clinton's campaign decided the resources were better spent in the larger states holding primaries. Obama campaigned in several caucus states, while Clinton wrote most of them off. If Hillary Clinton were a relatively unknown politician, they might be sufficient on their own. But given Clinton's high level of name recognition, a superior ground organization and a visit to the state do not explain why the margins were so lopsided in states like Idaho, Kansas, Colorado, and Minnesota.

In Washington State, which Clinton did take the time to visit, Obama did not just win - he won by a margin of 2-1. And Obama won 90%-8% in the Virgin Islands, where neither candidate visited, and I don't believe either campaign expended a lot of resources on the airwaves or on the ground (if I am wrong about this, please correct me). So neither the ground game nor attention paid by the candidate can sufficiently explain Obama's success in caucuses.

Another theory that has been offered for why Obama does so well in caucuses is the demographic explanation. The argument goes that Obama tends to do better among upper-income voters, who are more likely to have the time to attend a caucus. Clinton has been doing better among white working-class voters, who may be more likely to have to work in the evening or on a Saturday. We heard her allude to this in Seattle, where she mentioned the three nurses who wanted to caucus for her but had to work. A closer look at the demographics, however, reveal that Clinton might not be at as big of a demographic disadvantage in caucus states as we have been made to believe.

Exit polls have consistently shown Clinton performing better among seniors, who tend to be the most politically active age group and have the most time on their hands. Traditionally, seniors have been among the most active in their local Democratic and civic organizations, and seem like they would be the most likely to attend a caucus, though the lack of entrance poll data from most caucus states make it difficult to prove this. Of course, there is a valid argument that seniors who are disabled and unable to get to the polls are unable to participate, though some caucus states (such as Maine) have made accommodations.

Thus, neither demographics nor organization can fully explain Obama's success in caucus states. There seems to be another factor at play: a higher degree of passion among his supporters. This theory goes that while many people take the 20 minutes to cast a ballot, only the most committed supporters of a candidate will take the time to caucus. Obviously, both candidates have plenty of passionate supporters (I anticipate many passionate Clinton supporters on here will be shouting me down within minutes), but if Obama is doing well in caucuses, perhaps his supporters are, on the whole, more enthusiastic about his candidacy than Clinton's supporters are about hers. This is not to suggest that the caucus is the ideal or most democratic format, but if one candidate is able to inspire more people to take the time to caucus, then that ought to count for something.

The passion gap is evident in other areas, such as the crowds Obama has been drawing, his success at getting young people to turn out, and the large infusions of small online donations (though Clinton seems to be catching up on that front.)

It is not unusual for one candidate to have a more passionate base of supporters who come out and scream at rallies, and an enthusiastic support base certainly is not everything. In 2004, Dean had the anti-war crowd and other core progressives (myself included) fired up about his candidacy, but he wasn't able to broaden his appeal beyond that base. Had his candidacy not been shattered after Iowa (where voters take their responsibility as first in the nation very seriously and thus are more likely to participate than other caucus states), he probably would have done well in other caucus states, given the enthusiasm of his supporters. It is worth noting that other than Vermont, where he won a symbolic victory a few weeks after dropping out, one of his strongest showings was in the Washington caucuses.

What is remarkable about Obama is his ability to both be the candidate who inspires the most passion while still appealing to a broader audience, including some of the independents who are going to be vital to our success in November. It's a pretty rare candidate who can inspire people to stand outside in the rain for several hours to caucus for him in Kansas, or inspire 18-29 year-olds who have never even voted before to go sit through a 2 hour caucus.

In 2004, we were passionate, but for most of us, the passion came from our desire to beat Bush. That wasn't quite enough in 2004, and it certainly won't be enough in 2008, running against a war hero whom most Americans respect even if they disagree with him. If we want to stand a chance in November, we need a candidate we can enthusiastically vote FOR. Obama may not be that candidate for everyone, but if caucus participation is any indication, he's certainly got a lot of passionate supporters.

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  •  Tips? (19+ / 0-)

    I still don't fully understand how the tip jar works, but feel free to leave tips.

    "There's not a liberal America and a conservative America; THERE'S THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA." OBAMA '08

    by democrattotheend on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:39:26 PM PDT

    •  Recommend. I think this is uncontroversial (3+ / 0-)

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      highacidity, FishOutofWater, mommaK

      but you've said it quite well, and I appreciate your exposition. Thanks for taking the time to write up the story of Obama's passion gap. I think it should be intuitively obvious that you're right.

      •  I hope so (1+ / 0-)

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        joynow

        After my diary yesterday, the last thing I want to do is start a flame war. But I tried hard to be respectful. I certainly am not claiming the HRC supporters HERE are not passionate. They may be few, but they are loud and proud!

        "There's not a liberal America and a conservative America; THERE'S THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA." OBAMA '08

        by democrattotheend on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:45:35 PM PDT

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      •  Another key that you mention (2+ / 0-)

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        Ruth in OR, mommaK

        is his organization in caucus states.  I've been completely gobsmacked by the news analysts who state "the caucus format seems to favor Obama" without any analysis.

        It favors Obama both because of the enthusiasm and commitment of his supporters and because he allocated both staff and volunteer resources to these states, many of which are not used to having candidates pay attention.

        The Clintons have followed their normal pattern of cherry-picking the contests they think will be easy to win, or where they can get large numbers of delegates and virtually ignored the caucus states, assuming Hillary would get close to half the delegates because of the allocation system.  However, Obama's superior organization and the passion and commitment of his supporters has blown Clinton out of the water and he is getting super majorities.  Just another sign that Obama is moving us beyond the politics of the past.

        I expect in the fall he, like Howard Dean, will have a 50 state strategy, not conceding any states to McCain.

        The most outrageous lies that can be invented will find believers if a man only tells them with all his might. - Mark Twain

        by mkfarkus on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 08:18:57 PM PDT

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  •  Case study: Seattle, Denver, etc. etc. etc. (2+ / 0-)

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    joynow, mommaK

    20,000+ at Key Arena in Seattle for Barack Obama.

    5000 at Hillary rally there

    Barack is consistently packing arenas to the rafters. Here in Denver they needed overflow on the lacrosse field for over 2000+ because the original overflow area overflowed.

    Yes He Can!

    •  Obama ads (0+ / 0-)

      Obama had ads that if you submit your name and e-mail address, you will be given invitations when a event is nearby.

      It still is organization --when you have the capacity to e-mail everyone near the area to come to your rally.  But first you should have a rally.

      Fact check Obama spins on Hillary http://facts.hillaryhub.com/

      by timber on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 07:03:56 PM PDT

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  •  Poor Hillary Clinton (1+ / 0-)

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    chicago minx

      as if no one who works support Obama and missed the caucus for work related reasons.

      Obama didn't win 51-49 Hillary. He cleaned your clock. I agree that the caucus system is unfair and should be dropped.

      However, I marvel at Hillary's ability to not care about that until she starts losing. Just like in MI and FL, she didn't care that the states were being punished, until she started losing. All of a sudden, they should count.

  •  The diary (6+ / 0-)

      is dead on. Democrats support Clinton, but there is very little passion coming from the campaign. There is no call to arms, nothing to motivate the troops. Some already are, Clinton has many partisans just like Obama who don't need any motivation.

      But the sincere difference b/w Obama and Clinton is that Obama has managed to do what NO OTHER politician has been able to do recently and that's mobilize a voting block that has a poor voting history and DOMINATE among them. His campaign has engineered record turnouts of 18-29 year old voters and winning those overwhelmingly. That's not stealing votes from Clinton, that's adding to the field b/c those votes were not in play, b/c they weren't going to occur.

      That's passion. That's inspiration. When a country is suffering the way this one is and has been, motivation, sincerity and passion go a long way towards giving people the belief that it can and will get better.

      Clinton is simply not offering that option. Her campaign is the Democratic version of the statement, "trust me, I'll do better." Hardly a motivating statement.

  •  Valid point... (1+ / 0-)

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    mommaK

    ...and well stated.

  •  Two Different Kinds of Passion-- (3+ / 0-)

    He's drawing youths, crossovers and educated/wealthy.

    Youth we can ascribe to emotional passion, but the crossovers and educated/wealthy are typically people who are more intellectual about politics.

    Those two groups seem to be dreading a Clinton II campaign and presidency reminiscent of I's, one of narrow wins, modest offerings and a tightly deadlocked country. Contrasting with Obama who talks like older time politicians in his sense of possibility of stronger majorities and lifting the people up a little to where the fear and hate message of the right is less convincing to them.

    I don't personally judge Obama as a great communicator but he's very good with a very positive tone, and no other candidate is very good except for Rev. Huckabee who doesn't look likely to become our opponent.

    Dean was in serious trouble expanding his coalition long before Iowa. Obama has not been in serious trouble for months, and is growing stronger. We're all extraordinarily lucky that Dean did so well and as a result got into position to make the party think 50 states before Obama arose.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:52:57 PM PDT

    •  With all of the pictures of Obama rallies (1+ / 0-)

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      mommaK

      that have been everywhere lately I have loved seeing the faces listening...but get the biggest kick out of seeing the gray haired seniors with the same beaming joy on their faces as the college age kids seated near them.

      Obama-for the Young at Heart of all ages

  •  as i mentioned in (2+ / 0-)

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    joynow, FishOutofWater

    another comment - if you were unable to go to the caucus in Wa you had two possible solutions. 1. you could go to the caucus site and sign in between 1:00 and 1:30 before the actual caucus start. It was not necessary to stay to have your vote counted. I had a famiy member who for work reasons did just that. 2.The other option was to submit a Surogate Affidavit Form before 5:00 pm Feb 8. If the Hillary campaign truly felt the caucus was a hardship for people they could have organized and helped folks get that vote in.If you're ready to go on day one let's see it!

    ..."For beauty," I replied. "And I for truth,-the two are one; We brethren are"... E. Dickinson

    by peagreen on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:54:07 PM PDT

  •  [Now who said it?] (0+ / 0-)

    Plastic passion is hard to handle...

    "the people have the power to redeem the work of fools" --Patti Smith

    by Immigrant Punk on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:54:54 PM PDT

  •  The vast disparity in results (0+ / 0-)

    ...between caucuses and primaries shows that the party nominating process, for better or worse, is far from a democratic process. Thus it's ironic that the superdelegate issue is argued on the basis of maintaining some strawman of democracy that doesn't exist--not that it was ever more democratic in the past than it is currently, warts and all.

  •  There's Also An Absentee Ballot Gap (4+ / 0-)

    Absentee ballots filled out long before election day have aided Clinton enormously in states that have already voted.  Before Obama's campaign got off the ground nationally, people were generally for Clinton, and the absentee ballot vote reflected that.

    Caucuses, with few exceptions, do not allow absentee ballots.  They are more accurate reflections of how people feel on election day.

    As time goes on, Clinton's popularity lead is evaporating, and absentee ballots have less and less of a role to play in the future.  In Pennsylvania, for instance, absentee ballots are weeks away from being printed for the April 22 primary.  The lack of absentee ballots reflecting Clinton's early lead will hurt her more and more as time goes on.

    IMPROVING GOVERNMENT FOR THE AVERAGE CITIZEN

    by State Rep Mark Cohen Dem PA on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:56:56 PM PDT

  •  His campaign is better at organizing (0+ / 0-)

    That ability will be very important this fall.

    Frankly, I don't have too much faith in a campaign[Clinton's] that can't even compete in NE, WA and ME.

  •  not sure if i understand the caucus very well (2+ / 0-)

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    mommaK, BoringUserName

    as i have never participated in one, although i am learning a lot about them this year and i think that's great. but don't the undecideds kind of stand around together, and make up their minds while they listen to people make speeches about each candidate? i am just thinking that the enthusiasm and passion might sway undecideds more in that environment than basically waiting till you get behind the curtain and being forced to make a decision on your own.

    i envy people who are participating in caucuses. i realize there are problems as far as not ensuring maximum participation and all, but at the same time it's getting the votes of people who really care and are relatively informed. that's how it seems to me.

    recommended.

    i think they're attacking me cause i'm awesome. how's that??

    by missreporter on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 07:27:33 PM PDT

    •  As a defender of caucuses (1+ / 0-)

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      mommaK

      I certainly don't believe they are the best form of voting for every state, but certainly some mixed in should help in selecting a nominee.

      I've caucused twiced in Iowa and once in Washington and I've always enjoyed them.  It's kind of a neighborhood block party.  Check out this link on a story about a couple first time caucus goers in WA.  I think they are far more transparent than a primary.  In a primary, who are who these delegates you are electing who will eventually decide who the nominee is?  In a caucus, you are electing neighbors you know.  Really, they are not as intimidating as you may think.

      Caucus states do favor candidates who are enthusiastic about their candidate.  When mixed with primaries, this is a good thing.  Mixing breadth and depth of support is a good way to pick the best candidate possible.  Pollsers hate them because you can't poll enthusiasm.  Too bad for them.

      "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." -Bertrand Russell

      by BoringUserName on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 08:06:59 PM PDT

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  •  no question (1+ / 0-)

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    democrattotheend

    I caucused in WA (out in the boonies), for HRC, and I'm not sure I've ever been so lonely before (figuratively speaking).  I gather that turnout was around 10 times 2004, and practically all for Obama.  

    I'm not sure that I believe that this is anything like truly democratic, given that non-participatory, agoraphobic, even lazy-ass Democrats presumably have some right to representation; but there's no guarantee that such folks would vote HRC, so please don't consider this "sour grapes".  Moreover, there's something in me that says, dammit, people who really DO give a shit ought to have more say than those who manifestly don't.

    So, while I'm not really a fan of either caucuses or Obama, I say, yowsah, good job, you folks.  If y'all pull it off, you'll have lots of my applause from the sidelines (at least) as you take it to McCain.

    The truth shall make ye fret... -William DeWorde

    by flagpole on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 09:33:53 PM PDT

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