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How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Hillary

Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:23:49 PM PDT

Dear Hillary,

I have learned to stop worrying and have really come to love you. Yes, you. I couldn’t write this on Valentine’s Day (because I was off at 5th grade science camp), but now that I am back, please consider this a belated Valentine.

After almost eight years of Republican rule, you are exactly what I have needed. Why? Let me count the ways!

To begin, Dubya and his cronies have been masters of voter suppression. They did it in Florida in 2000, and thereby stole the presidency. They did it in Ohio in 2004, and stole the presidency again. Now I am just too used to voter suppression to go through another election cycle without it . And, yes, the R’s are going do it again in November, I know, but I simply cannot wait that long.

That’s why I am so happy that you came along to save the day. You have heroically tried to keep college students from voting in Iowa. You have fought the good fight to keep a bunch of Nevada whiners away from the caucuses too. Of course, in the end those guys actually caucused for you. But that’s besides the point. The main thing is that you tried, and I love you for it!

Then there is the racial card. George W. Bush used racist push polls against John McCain in the 2000 South Carolina primary. Therefore, I was delighted when your esteemed husband, no other than Bill Clinton himself, suggested that Obama’s triumph in South Carolina was just a racial thing. Way to go, Hillary camp! With Bush unable to run, I was beginning to miss Rove’s antics. Thanks so much!

Also, I was looking online today and saw some of your new super-negative ads against Mr. B O. Yeay! Finally! This Democratic campaign has been far too darn nice all this time. You see, I am used to the Swift Boaters. I am used to Rovian attack ads. I am delighted that you have brought a sense of excitement into this race. After all these years of Democrats being hammered by Republicans left and right, I just need to see Democrats get beaten up – and the worse they get it, the better! So thanks for beating up on Obama. I needed that!

Then comes your excellent superdelegate card. After seeing Bush cleverly snatch two presidential elections away from the people of the United States of America, I don’t think I can take an election where the voice of the people matters. That would just be too weird now. So I am glad that you have already indicated that if the Democratic Party chooses Obama, you will simply take the nomination from him with your superdelegates. I need the continuity. I don’t like quick change. Thanks, H!

I am also delighted by your spin that those of us who didn’t vote for you don’t matter. Blacks don’t matter. Caucus states don’t matter. Small states don’t matter. Red states don’t matter. The morons who don’t vote for you just don’t matter. That’s good! It’s good, because this is what I am used to, and what I would most miss in a new world, in which Bush and his pals don’t create the national narrative anymore. You see, Bush has been telling us for almost eight years that if we are not with him, we are with the enemy, that if we don’t follow him, we are just as bad as the terrorists. I know, I know, you haven’t quite gone as far as saying that. But you are off to a good start. Keep up the good work, Hillary!

Plus, I have some personal reasons for thanking you for telling me that I don’t matter. You see, I was one of the Washington caucus-goers, and yes, I am sorry to say, I caucused for Obama. Now, like all the others in the room, I am a yuppie. I don’t work, because I don’t have to. I’ve got plenty of money to throw around, and it was a bit inconvenient to come back from my tour of the tropics, which is how I usually spend my winters, to come to some dingy Democratic meeting place on a Saturday. I almost didn’t make it, but I happened to be driving home from a night-club at 12:30 in the afternoon, so I thought, why not – even though I will lose two hours of my life that I could otherwise have given over to yuppie pleasures (upon which I don’t think I need to elaborate!).

The caucus was major boring, and very noisy, because everyone was talking on their iPhones and comparing their designer clothes. Plus it was hard to know what people were thinking, because cool people like us always wear sunglasses.

There were a few of your supporters, too, dear Hillary. They looked really destitute. They were the working poor, man! They all said that they took a few hours off from work without pay, and that their children would go without several meals, and probably shoes too, just so that they could caucus for you. But the rest of us just drank our $15.00 lattes and said, "Whatever!!"

But we caucused, and caucused. And later we learned that we didn’t matter. Cool! You see, in 2006, I decided to volunteer on Election Day. I was at some godforsaken Democratic headquarters at 7:00am, and I spent the day in the pouring rain canvassing to get Democrats to the polls. My fingers just about froze. My list of voters started to disintegrate because everything was so wet. When I was done canvassing, I got on the phone to call people. Then I stood on street corners waving signs until the polls closed.

And you know, it sucked. I was wet, tired, and hungry by the evening, when I could have been watching one of my yuppie TV shows. But now you have told me that I don’t matter. Now you have told me that I am irrelevant. Cool! That means, I don’t have to canvass on Election Day in November this year! No walking around like an idiot in the pouring rain. No freezing fingers. No phone banking. Excellent! I am not sure why you think that this will help you win the general election, but I would never doubt your wisdom, oh wonderful, oh glorious, oh splendiferous Hillary! You see, I have learned to stop worrying, and to love YOU!

XO XO XO XO
Your Secret Admirer

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PS: All joking aside, I will vote for Hillary in the general election, if she gets the nomination. But I support Obama.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, 2008 Presidential Election, 2008 Primaries, 2008 Caucuses, Snark (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  Fun read. Thanks. eom :-) (3+ / 0-)

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    You've got to vote for someone. It's a shame, but it's got to be done.--Whoopi Goldberg

    by Libertaria on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:28:37 PM PDT

  •  That was beautiful! (4+ / 0-)

    I really see, now, what you see in her.  Thank you for opening my eyes.  It's all good.  And yes, like you, I'm voting for Obama and until he wins or I have to choose someone else.

    "We're all working for the Pharaoh" - Richard Thompson

    by mayan on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:30:52 PM PDT

  •  Your snark (6+ / 0-)

    is a deep and wonderful well.

    If Mark Penn could only begin to fathom the contempt he has so richly earned for himself and his candidate.

  •  Yawn, iteration 354 (1+ / 0-)

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    Radiowalla

    Sarcasm to add to our already full plate of inanities.  Yes, we get it.  Hillary is not your choice.

    "Accepting the inevitable"

    by waztec on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:32:56 PM PDT

  •  wish I could rec'd 2x (2+ / 0-)

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    summed it up nicely.. that hilarous and I really needed a laugh, long week... TGIFreakingF

  •  Lol, along with shameless plug for another snark (1+ / 0-)

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    Zoltan

    Here.

    Fun at the expense of our friends, Bill and Hillary Clinton.

  •  I know I'm suppose to be. . . (1+ / 0-)

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    super amused right now.

    But I'm sick to death of this crap:

    "Then there is the racial card. George W. Bush used racist push polls against John McCain in the 2000 South Carolina primary. Therefore, I was delighted when your esteemed husband, no other than Bill Clinton himself, suggested that Obama’s triumph in South Carolina was just a racial thing. Way to go, Hillary camp! With Bush unable to run, I was beginning to miss Rove’s antics. Thanks so much"

    Noting the demographics were against her in South Carolina was not racist.  Have you seen the numbers out of DC?  Ninety five percent-- and above-- for Obama.  African Americans voted for Obama in overwhelming numbers there.  And so what?  

    Stop calling the Clintons racist!  Just stop it. It's disgusting!

    •  You have a point, but (1+ / 0-)

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      highacidity

      Bill Clinton's comparison was to Jackson. The suggestion was that Obama was just a black fad that would fizzle out once the white states got a chance to vote. At least, that's how it came across to me.

      If we had an anology, it would be a state where many more women lived then men, compared to lots of states full of men, but not very many women. Then, if Hillary won the woman-state, we might say, oh, yeah, she won the woman-state. Let's wait until the men-states come along.

      That would indicate that her only real appeal was her gender. BC was suggesting that BO's only real appeal was his race.

      Having said that, I am not opposed to pointing out that Obama is helped by large black populations, just like Hillary is helped by high femael turnout in many areas (though now decreasaingly).

      It's the context that was the issue.

      •  Really? Interesting that you would interpret (0+ / 0-)

        it that way.

        I read it an entirely different way.

        Jackson, factually, won but he lost elsewhere. I guess since I was born and raised where Clinton was, I understand him much differently.

        To me, it was clear that he was saying Jackson won in SC, but he lost everywhere else so we shouldn't trumpet the SC win too much.

        I didn't know, however, that Jackson was a black fad...

        "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

        by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:01:16 PM PDT

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        •  But The Question Bill Was Asked Was About If Two (1+ / 0-)

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          Clintons were needed to beat Obama. Bill answered that question with a completely unrelated comment about Jesse Jackson.

          •  I don't see how unrelated question-reply (0+ / 0-)

            results in OMG RACIST PIG.

            "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

            by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:06:08 PM PDT

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            •  Then you are in la-la land (2+ / 0-)

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              the remark was gratuitous, nonresponsive, and was part of a larger strategy which attempted to minimize the South Carolina win with a bs reference, "oh, just like Jesse, you know those blacks will just vote in the black candidate."

              Ahistorical, nonfactual, gratuitous, and not an accident.  And guess what?  This bs contributed to Clinton losing a crucial constituency in overwhelming numbers and turning off voters of every race across the country.

              Another fine job out of the Clintons.

              •  Oh, come on. (2+ / 0-)

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                Every candidate minimizes their losses. Stop pretending this is just Clinton.

                It's entirely historical and factual -- Jesse Jackson did, in fact, win. He did, in fact, go on to lose in other areas.

                You're right that it wasn't an accident, though. Because you don't just accidentally blurt out entire, cogent thoughts.

                And I wholly disagree with the idea that Clinton's words caused "every race" to magically jump over. After all, Clinton still has half of the white population, most of the Latino population, and a rather large amount of the Asian population. I don't have demographics on the Native population.

                What led to that was a series of victories and the constant airing of this as a racist comment. After a while, the reality began to match the Obama surrogate spin of this being a deplorable comment.

                "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

                by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:33:09 PM PDT

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                •  Obama "minimized his loss" (2+ / 0-)

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                  by insinuating that white voters automatically favor the white candidate?  Where?  When?  Hold your candidate accountable.

                  •  He did one better. (0+ / 0-)

                    He called Michigan's vote from all voters there a beauty contest, and sent a memo out which mocked Florida's lack of delegates.

                    He also sent out Caroline Kennedy, his wife, and Oprah to tell women that they give them their permission to change their mind from Clinton. Like these women need the permission of these three to decide on a candidate.

                    I'll any candidate accountable when they clearly does something wrong. Not when a surrogate does, and certainly not when it has been turned into a meme.

                    "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

                    by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:45:10 PM PDT

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                    •  Michigan and Florida were just that (1+ / 0-)

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                      HRC agreed that Michigan and Florida would not count. Then she hedged her bets anyway, and now she is hypocritically trying to pretend that she is standing up for voters' rights.

                      With regard to your comment about permission, I missed that. However, if Obama did that, I would expect him to be taken to task for it.

                      The point of my diary was not that Obama is perfect, but that Hillary's campaign has engaged in far too many shady tricks.

                      •  But she certainly didn't say it publically. (0+ / 0-)

                        Spin.

                        He wasn't taken for task. By anyone. In fact, he was praised for trying to take women voters.

                        And Obama's campaign has engaged in just the same tricks. I await that dairy.

                        "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

                        by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:04:44 PM PDT

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                        •  What did she not say publicly? (2+ / 0-)

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                          She committed to not honoring those delegates, just like the other candidates. Now that she needs them, she is going back on her commitment.

                          Obama's campaign has made some errors. But not many. Clinton, on the other hand, has run a campaign full of nasty tricks. I was leaning toward Clinton after NH. I even wrote a couple of diaries defending her. But her dirty tricks have been too much for me.

                    •  Good lord, how dishonest can you get? (4+ / 0-)

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                      "Beauty contest" is common political parlance for a contest which reflects posturing rather than the will of the popular voters and has been in the lexicon FOR DECADES.  Guess what?  A primary contest in which two of the major candidates weren't even listed on the f-ing ballot is a beauty contest.  A primary contest in which none of the candidates even campaigned for votes because it was determined before the voting that delegates won't get seated is a beauty contest.

                      I'm not sure where the hell you're going with this "permission" to vote for Obama bs.  I'm a woman, and I don't need anyone to tell me shit.  But I do appreciate the support which the candidate I favor has received from a wide variety of sources.

                      You can't put lipstick on this pig.  And your candidate does you a disservice for even putting you in a position of having to defend this bs.

                      •  I'm as honest as you get. (1+ / 0-)

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                        You're spinning his use of beauty contest. Oh, it's just an old phrase. Yeah, that hearkens back to contests in which shallow characteristics are judged for a meaningless crown. That's a great way to term the vote of any American. Sounds like a good way to devalue a vote, doesn't it? To call it frivolous, meaningless, and shallow.

                        Obama didn't campaign in Arkansas, New York, Oklahoma, Tennessee. Are you saying now that our primaries were beauty contests?

                        You sure don't need permission to do shit, but here's the sweet part -- Obama sent out his wife and Oprah to give Californians that permission. Funny enough, you didn't say that this was wrong. You just lashed out at me. Isn't it interesting?

                        I don't defend her. I defend the truth of a matter as I see it. She can defend herself, she's a big girl.

                        If anyone is doing a disservice, it's people continuing this crap of racism, "race-baiting", and conspiracy theories that don't remotely matter. They're doing a disservice to any candidate, because it forces us to discuss this and NOT their stances, issues, or policies.

                        It's pathetic that we have so many posts on Bill's comments, but I haven't seen one single one about Obama's policies.

                        That's the disservice here.

                        "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

                        by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:11:03 PM PDT

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                        •  Once again (1+ / 0-)

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                          Michigan and Florida were ruled to be null and void long before 2008. Clinton agreed to this, like the other candidates. But then she still hedged her bets and went ahead anyway.

                          Yes, Obama dismissed the significance of these two contests. He did so, because the DNC did so, and Clinton also did so, before she realized that she might need them.

                          •  So Obama has dismissed states. (0+ / 0-)

                            Even better, not because he lost -- but because he was told to. Super logic there.

                            Hillary is underhanded because she reconsiders her position for selfish reasons.

                            Obama dismisses and insults two states because the DNC says to, and that's A-OK!

                            Done.

                            "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

                            by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:28:43 PM PDT

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                            •  Obama dismissed two states that all (1+ / 0-)

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                              candidates dismissed. Hillary agreed ahead of time. So did everyone else. Those were the rules they all agreed to. Period.

                              Hillary is trying to change the rules midgame because the score isn't going her way. There is only one word for that: hypocricy. Or wait, there is another: cheating.

                        •  You are inadvertantly reinforcing (4+ / 0-)

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                          everything I find disgusting about the Clinton campaign.  They don't deserve your defense, and I mean that.

                          That said,

                          1. Again, beauty contest is common parlance for a political contest which reflects posturing rather than the consent of voters.  It is not new, it is not inflammatory, it is a term which has been used for years and correctly applies to the "primaries" which supposedly occured in two states in which voters were told in advance that due to rules violations, no delegates would be seated in those states.  It is what it is, and there is just no spin that can convince anyone of fair and sound mind that the Michigan and Florida results are as sound as the results from NH, NY, NJ, CA, and other states in which candidates were listed on the ballots and had the opportunity to campaign, fair and square.
                          1. You really, really, really, do not f-ing get that for the vast majority of women, no celebrity and no endorsement will tell anyone what to do.  Particularly a celebrity like Oprah, who openly told audiences to not vote for any candidate based solely on her preferences.  She's principled like that.  Something I have YET to see from your candidate during the post-Iowa leg of her campaign.
                          1. If you "have yet" to see a post about Obama's policies, then you haven't looked.  Or don't care to look.  Numerous diaries and comments, diaries from someone who took some of Obama's constitutional law courses, for God's sakes, telling anyone seeking to read and learn all they need to know about the man.  I don't buy into the bullshit smear "all hat no cattle" from your poll-tested, micromanaged candidate's campaign.

                          Enough.

        •  Of course he meant it that way (1+ / 0-)

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          TPM

          Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South.

          that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope. - Barack Obama

          by acuppajo on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:29:04 PM PDT

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          •  brand him as the black candidate... (2+ / 0-)

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            exactly!  and they're still trying to do it.  remember, America's not ready for a black candidate...  that's all i heard when i was down in the South over christmas... well when are we going to be?  i'm ready, because this guy gets it.  he understands one of the huge reasons why so many of us are disgusted with the American political system!  and no, i don't expect him to magically solve all the problems and change everything, but i sure as hell would prefer a candidate who sees the problem and agrees that it's a problem instead of one who wishes to continue the system as it is, and thinks it makes perfect sense to divide us all up into itsy bitsy demographic and racial categories.  this dismissiveness of the Clintons is too much.  i want to work together to make America better instead of being told i'm supposed to stay over in my corner with the other people just like me.

      •  honestly i saw it as a carefully calculated... (3+ / 0-)

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        strategy, to remind voters that Obama is black, which in the past has been enough to marginalize a candidate.  that it hasn't worked is extraordinary and has made me smile with every state like Nebraska and Kansas that Obama wins.  these people are in it to win of course, so some strategist said "this will work."  except it didn't and instead they ended up with mud on their faces.  it's just part of the pattern of endless attempts to spin everything from the Clinton campaign, and no one over there seems to have woken up and realized that for the most part, it's hurting instead of helping.

        •  Well, he needs a new calculator. (1+ / 0-)

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          I don't think I needed Clinton to remind me that Obama's black.

          Call me crazy, but there's just some reason I already know that.

          "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

          by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:06:54 PM PDT

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          •  It's a dog whistle, saying (1+ / 0-)

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            highacidity

            "You're about to vote for a black man. Are you kidding? We're Democrats and all, but you don't have to go that far."

            That's how it came across to many. That's why it was interpreted as a racist comment.

            •  Well, with due respect to those people (2+ / 0-)

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              they need to reconsider that interpretation. Especially when you consider everything Bill Clinton has done for the black community -- for anyone to insinuate that he thinks negatively about blacks is an insult to reason.

              He's many things, one of which has been a poor choice of words...but he is certainly not remotely racist and his comment wasn't even close to it.

              "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

              by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:23:33 PM PDT

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              •  But that is exactly why it was so upsetting (1+ / 0-)

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                for so many people. He seemed to suddenly turn on the black community with an attempt to awaken racial prejudicies. For many, this has been an example that the Clintons will do anything.

                •  He seemed to, but he didn't. (2+ / 0-)

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                  That's the problem. This one line has been taken from the spin it was to this overwhelming line of racism because of posts much like yours. People who propagate that this was a huge, racist slap in the face because he was saying "Hey, you can win here and still lose".

                  Could he have chosen any other politician? Sure. But he didn't. He chose this one man, who was black, and won large in SC but lost largely everywhere else. And then blog posts like yours popped up calling this the outrageous, racist slap of the century.

                  That, to someone from Arkansas who has spent his life fighting against racism, is much more upsetting than pointing out that a guy won big there but lost handily elsewhere.

                  Prior to the characterization by you and others, I never considered Obama as the black candidate. Never even once, even when he picked an anti-gay black man and Oprah, a black woman, to go JUST into South Carolina and campaign. Never thought about it.

                  Then Clinton said his factually correct statement, and it was turned into him putting on a white hood and hanging the noose by the door.

                  Then I started to think of Obama not as a great candidate, but as a black candidate. Because he and others created stink after stink over factual comments from the Clintons.

                  Finally, I have to wonder why this factual statement was seen as racist, but why Michelle Obama saying states lack black people isn't racist...or why Obama himself said that he'd have to see Clinton DANCE before he decides if he's "a brother" wasn't racist.

                  I'm more than sure every state has at least one black person, and that there's some black people that can't dance.

                  I think the answer to that concern is: Their last name is not Clinton, so it isn't racist.

                  "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

                  by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:41:07 PM PDT

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                  •  I think that was their goal precisely (1+ / 0-)

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                    They wanted the fallout to be that people would think of Obama as the black candidate. I know we disagree on this, so I guess I'll call this argument a draw, in that neither of us will change positions.

                    With regard to the dance statement, if I am not mistaken, Obama was asked if Clinton was truly the first black president. He responded with the joke about dancing.

                    •  A joke pandering to stereotypes that (2+ / 0-)

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                      black men can dance, therefore to figure out if he's black he'd have to see Clinton dance.

                      Of course, there's no outrage. Just charming old Obama making a joke.

                      And again, I doubt that anyone needed a reminder that Obama was black. It was you who spun it to make it a racist comment which turned Obama into the black candidate.

                      Just like it was you, and others like you, who spun the LBJ comment as racist. Just like it was you who laughed when Obama called himself "a brother" then objected to being seen as, ironically, "a brother". Just like it is you who decries "race baiting" then makes posts which bring up these words, calls them racist, and uses them as a rallying cry to demand blacks vote for Obama and abandon Clinton.

                      I guess it's easier to just say "Damn you Bill, you racist!" than to actually examine your own actions.

                      "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

                      by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:57:32 PM PDT

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                      •  Bill (2+ / 0-)

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                        could have said a lot of things... he could have conceded graciously instead of making a weak, "what was he saying?" excuse.  or better yet, since his wife is really the one running for President he could have said how proud he was of her or something.  of all the things he said, he brought up Jesse Jackson's win 20 years ago.  Bill's said a lot of weird things this campaign, and unfortunately a lot of them make a lot of people uncomfortable.  there's a reason why he disappeared last week.

                  •  I so totally agree (1+ / 0-)

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                    With everything you have said in these comments here, in addition, during the carolina debate, Obama was asked by Russert to look into his eyes and tell him he or his campaign had not anything to do with inflaming this issue, Obama said well maybe staff are over zealous, etc. and Russert replied well we received 4 pages emailed this very day with listing of things they considered racist.
                    Obama's camp drove this issue, they knew it would turn blacks to him like never before if Clinton's could be seen as racist, extremely clever.

                    •  You mean this one, which wasn't (2+ / 0-)

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                      mentioned by anyone because it would show Obama actually fanned this:

                      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

                      Thanks for bringing it up, diane. With that, I bid all goodnight. May we actually get to the stuff that matters, because this racism crap is the last thing that we should be considering.

                      "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

                      by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:30:20 PM PDT

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                      •  Thanks to you (0+ / 0-)

                        for providing the link and I might add that contrary to what it says in the article linked, I think his campaign did send it to the press (i.e. Russert)at the very least, and then acts completely innocent so that folks on BMT called him so high minded, rising above it all and in reality skimming by at the debate with little attention paid to that one little section, as folks were too busy waiting to see what HRC would say and what kind of look was on her face and who did her makeup and all.  The really important stuff.
                        It was the cleverest of moves possible and the Clintons were caught in the trap and really there is no escaping the fallout from that when people are so willing to believe what they want to believe. And now that everyone is properly alerted to the "racist" Clinton's they can find oh so many more instances, oh well you know what I'm talking about.  Thank heavens there are a few of you/us floating around here and there.

            •  And it is part of a larger effort (3+ / 0-)

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              to minimize and dismiss Obama's achievements.  Won in states like Iowa?  Well, it's a caucus, who cares?  Won by more than 30 percentage points in states like Nebraska?  Well, that's just a red state, who gives a damn?  Won South Carolina and the Potomac primaries?  Well, there are a lot of blaaaacks there, and lord knows, they'll vote for anything black, just like they voted for Jesse.

              It doesn't take a rocket scientist.  Don't listen to the deliberately blind.  You were right in the diary, and you are right now.

              •  A vast Hillary conspiracy, I see. (0+ / 0-)

                Welcome to the world of spin, you'll be seeing a lot of it.

                "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

                by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:48:38 PM PDT

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                •  The spin's been coming from HRC (1+ / 0-)

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                  Her own campaing has been minimizing all the states she hasn't won, because they just don't matter - for all the reasons stated above.

                  •  And Obama has minimized states he hasn't won. (0+ / 0-)

                    Did you hear him thank Floridian voters? Michigan voters? Arkansan voters? Missouri voters? Tennessee voters?

                    Hell, I didn't see him anywhere near Arkansas. No one heard of him in Oklahoma.

                    In fact, I've heard multiple times -- including from the press, how New York, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Arkansas didn't matter for Clinton.

                    Why? She lived in Arkansas, she works for New York, and Tennessee and Oklahoma are next door to Arkansas.

                    And have you gone to Obama's website? I have. First page, on the side, is a state count of what he's won.

                    Do you see the states he's lost numbered? Nope. In fact, they're in a dull color so they don't show as much as the ones he has won.

                    That is spin, and they've both done it.

                    "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

                    by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:00:40 PM PDT

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                    •  Hello? (3+ / 0-)

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                      Show me one instance, just one, where Obama claimed that he lost a state because of any one group or another, or said that he has lost a state because some group has some intrinsic inadequacy.  He hasn't.  Because he's not a scumbag.

                      End of story.

                      •  Goodbye. (0+ / 0-)

                        Neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama have said that one single group caused a win or loss.

                        That's what surrogates are for.

                        Welcome to politics.

                        And "scumbag? Nice. And you pretend to be superior.

                        Have a good life.

                        "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

                        by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:22:00 PM PDT

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                        •  See you around. (0+ / 0-)

                          If you're candidate wins, I will vote for her in November.

                        •  i find it really depressing... (2+ / 0-)

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                          that one of the most common comebacks from Hillary supporters is "it's politics man," or "welcome to politics."  i'm kind of tired of this conception of politics that has dominated our thinking since the 90s.  it hasn't always been this way, and it won't always be this way.  our party hasn't always been so cynical.  i don't find anything admirable (or successful) about trying to manipulate and distort a la Rove, on our way to a narrow, polarizing victory.  we can do better.  the way independents are streaming over to our side says we have an opportunity to win with a real mandate, while the Clintons seem stuck in the 90s, ready to stroll out a strategy to win with just one or two more states than we had last time... just over the top.

                          •  Yes, I've heard this at my caucus (2+ / 0-)

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                            during the discussion. One Clinton supporter kept emphasizing her experience. I countered with how I didn't like the kind of experience she has had, that her record is highly questionable (union busting consultants, Iraq vote, etc.). The Clinton supporter replied by saying how good it was that Clinton was able to do those things, because that means that she understands how politics works.

                            Depressing!

                    •  Obama has not said (1+ / 0-)

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                      that he lost a state because it didn't matter.

                      Clinton used that idea: black states, caucus states, red states, small state.

                •  it's extremely ineffective spin though, isn't it? (1+ / 0-)

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                  considering she's about one big loss away from being finished.

                  •  Or one big win away from being the "comeback" (0+ / 0-)

                    underdog.

                    If she happens to win that one big win and can call herself the underdog and the comeback candidate?

                    I guess that makes it pretty effective spin, now doesn't it?

                    "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

                    by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:02:08 PM PDT

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                    •  she needs a lot more than one big win (0+ / 0-)

                      with the hole dug already.  James Carville already said if she didn't win TX, Ohio and Penn she's finished, and i don't think you'll find many in the party who will disagree, because if she walks into the convention just having won two of the three, it's highly unlikely she has the delegate lead short of the supers.  even if she wins all three that may be the reality.  if the supers go their own way, the party will fracture, and we'll have made a big mess that will sink our chances in the fall.  i'm coming to the conclusion that with plenty of time to see that reality, the supers will not allow it to occur.

                •  Yeah, I'm in a world of spin (1+ / 0-)

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                  courtesy of your candidate.  My disappointment is profound.  I honestly expected better, wanted better than this.  This is not what I expected out of the Clinton II campaign.  But I'm not about to deny reality in order to get caught up in any politician.

                  •  Yep, all Clinton's fault. (0+ / 0-)

                    Damn you Bill and Hillary.

                    Wake up, GN. You deny reality simply by the virtue that you pretend that the Clintons are the root of all the woes, and Obama is the spotless choir boy.

                    My disappointment is profound too -- that someone would pander to the Republican lines of evil Clintons and yet still pretend to actually be above that.

                    "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

                    by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:14:38 PM PDT

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                    •  Handsom is as handsom does (0+ / 0-)

                      I used to keep defending Hillary against what I considered a regurgitated set of right-wing attack lines used by Democrats. However, the more I have seen them at work in this campaign, the more I have come to see them as truly dishonest and ego-centered.

                      •  Hi pot, I'm kettle. (0+ / 0-)

                        Or better yet "Hi Hillary, I'm Zoltan".

                        Enjoy attacking Hillary, if that's what floats your boat. I'm actually going to attempt to make a difference and give people the real information they need when they vote.

                        Not just dishonest, ego-centered snark.

                        "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

                        by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:26:03 PM PDT

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                        •  I am criticizing her (1+ / 0-)

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                          because I have come to see her as truly contemptible, as a truly self-centered politician, who cares primarily about her own career, not the good of her constituents.

                          I used to think that almost all the attacks on her were undeserved, just a hangover form the Fox days of the Clinton presidency. But now I see that there is a lot of legitimate criticism of Hillary.

    •  the clintons will morph into anything if (1+ / 0-)

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      they think it will get them what they want, poor credentials for an administration...obfuscation,duplicity, marginalizing portions of the populous, all sounds kind of familiar somehow...oh yah that what we got not with a reach around thrown in for good measure and maybe a kiss if your lucky...wake up

      please pardon the poor keyboarding, i can never decide which two of my ten thumbs to use, so hopefully some of you are fluent in Typo

      by TAPayne on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:02:58 PM PDT

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    •  You're right it wasn't racist (2+ / 0-)

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      It's what we politely refer to as 'race-baiting.'  There is a difference.  For what it's worth.  (not much)

      McCain is not getting my state. Is he getting yours?

      by Sun dog on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:08:27 PM PDT

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      •  So how do you bait a race? (0+ / 0-)

        Are there hooks involved? Do you use a nice spinner, or just stick with the classic bobber?

        "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

        by jwalker13 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:10:18 PM PDT

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        •  Don't know much about politics huh? (1+ / 0-)

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          This is actually a political blog.  It's hard to discuss politics with someone who doesn't know the most basic terms.  

          You sound like Ian from Spinal Tap when they say the album cover is sexist and he says, "Whats the matter with being sexy?"  

          Good stuff jwalk.  

          The seeming impossibility to find intellectually honest Clinton supporters at this point really says a lot about the nature of these campaigns.  

          McCain is not getting my state. Is he getting yours?

          by Sun dog on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 10:59:52 PM PDT

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    •  You just made his point, genius (2+ / 0-)

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      "the demographics were against her!"

      South Carolina, 2004:

      Non-white female voters:
      John Edwards: 41%
      John Kerry: 32%
      Al Sharpton: 14%

      Non-white male voters:
      John Kerry: 36%
      John Edwards: 32%
      Al Sharpton: 20%

      Fuck you, and fuck your candidate too.  The data proves that South Carolina "demographics" (i.e., black voters) have consistently crossed the racial line and favored politicians, irrespective of race, who reflected their values.

      More consistent and more principled than either Clinton on their best days.

      Thank you for helping to make one of the diarist's points.

  •  Diaries like this are why (1+ / 0-)

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    I learned to stop worrying and and hate DailyKos.

    It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!

    by Radiowalla on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:51:00 PM PDT

  •  The Stepford candidate is perfect. (0+ / 0-)

    Hear and obey.

    "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex" Dwight D. Eisenhower

    by bobdevo on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:14:36 PM PDT

  •  I sure do miss the cold war! (2+ / 0-)

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    The United States of America--the only country in the world where being educated and cultured actually *lowers* your social and political standing.

    by LordMike on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:04:12 PM PDT

  •  This diary is interfering.... (2+ / 0-)

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    ...with my precious bodily fluids!!!

    Thanks,

    Mike

    The United States of America--the only country in the world where being educated and cultured actually *lowers* your social and political standing.

    by LordMike on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:06:05 PM PDT

    •  It's a pattern of race-baiting (1+ / 0-)

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      ONE comment i could see. MAYBE 2. But you have a clear pattern of this crap.

      "Shuck and jive." "What was he doing in the neighborhood?" "Sydney Poitier in Guess Who's Coming to Dinner." "Obama is like a the 'black friend' people have because they want to look cool." "Jesse Jackson won SC twice." "He's pegged as the black candidate."

      You can say that these were surrogates, etc. But either Hillary surrounds herself with a large group of people who independantly decide to race-bait, or this is part of a concerted strategy.

      But all in all, i'm glad she did it, because it resulted in her getting her triangulating race-baiting ass kicked all across the south and in the potomac.

  •  But Mr. President (3+ / 0-)

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    Obama might see the "Big Board" of pledged delegates.....heh

    "A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." - George Bernard Shaw

    by Rudini on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:21:01 PM PDT

  •  Dear Hillary, (0+ / 0-)

    Thank God you won! It was dicey there for a moment.

    The half of the Democratic base with the lower IQ dove on the republican smear tactics like zombies to a fresh-cracked skull.

    They ridicule your husband's administration like they never lived through the best Democratic president since JFK.

    You will have to feed them, but they are on a diet that is very rich in rhetoric but zero calories.

    I loved your inauguration speech, and I thought the stain on the dress was a light touch.

    Maybe you can have the same "talk" with Alito and Roberts that you did with Vince.

    Remember the Chinese wall your husband put up between justice and your new digs? You'll need it again.

    Remember that NATO obligation your husband fulfilled without losing a a single soldier? I do.

    Not to bring up a sore subject, but remember when you masterfully bailed out the best president in 2 generations for porking that broad? I remember that. He owes you one, huh?

    I can't believe all the charitable work he has been doing. It was probably good to have someone with so much energy out of the house now and again just to catch your breath.

    I'd send him here and there now, too. I've never seen a president with such great command of history and world events. We didn't hear squat from Obama about the depths of his knowledge other than he might invade Pakistan.

    You've done a great job of turning the other cheek, but I have to ask you one favor: can you set the wheels in motion to have Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Feith, Pearle, Bremer, Wolfowitz, and Gonzales indicted for war crimes? If not, then at least have them renditioned to Iraq as a down payment. In fact, you can probably take a bite out of the national debt by putting it on pay-per-view.

    I don't know how the fuck you are going to get us out of Iraq without letting Iran come in and take over, but at least you didn't lie about it.

    We said we want change, and they gave us a handful.

    by MouseOfSuburbia on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 09:59:08 PM PDT

    •  Yeah Bill's been doing such a great job (1+ / 0-)

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      "I can't believe all the charitable work he has been doing. It was probably good to have someone with so much energy out of the house now and again just to catch your breath.

      I'd send him here and there now, too. I've never seen a president with such great command of history and world events."

      Especially when he went to Kazakhstan and helped his friends get uranium contracts from that nice murderous dictator. It was worth it for the $131 million he got for his library and his charitable foundation.

      Maybe during Hillary's administration he can cozy up to North Korea or Syria or maybe Dubai (wait too late on that last one). I'm sure there's some people out there that would love to donate to Bill's charity for a couple of favors!

  •  Okay, for the Clinton supporters here (0+ / 0-)

    Let me link to two diaries I wrote not so long ago defending Hillary from attacks. That was before I saw more and more of her dirty tricks. Hillary has managed to alienate me more and more.