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WE are the solution, Hillary. Not YOU.

Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 06:27:50 AM PDT

It's about whether we choose to play the game, or whether we choose to end it; it's change that polls well, or change we can believe in; it's the past versus the future. Barack Obama, 2/12/2007

It was at this moment, during his brilliant speech in Madison on Wednesday, that the hairs stood up on the back of my neck.  I fully realized that it's Hillary who's been talking fluff all along.  All of this "solutions over speeches" is yet another Rovian tactic -- accuse your opponent of your own greatest sin.  

After all, it's easy for Mark Penn to cherry pick policies that poll well and offer laundry lists calculated to "sell" Hillary to a carefully chosen demographic.  It's easy to tell people what YOU are going to do for THEM.    

"Do you want the excitement of speeches or the empowerment of solutions? ... Hillary is a solutions person."  Bill Clinton, 2/13/2007

No, Hillary.  WE are the solution.  Not YOU.

For all of the cynics who have said: "How is he going to accomplish all of this 'change?'  I need specifics." -- well, the answer is right in front of you, growing more powerful day by day.  

WE are instruments and wielders of change.  WE are about to become part of the most interactive, transparent and motivated government in history.  This is supposed to be the government of the people and by the people, not of and by Hillary Clinton.

I want you to know that I used to ask the same questions about Barack.  Where are the details?  How is he going to do all of this?  Don't believe me, check my comment history -- and you'll find that up until a few months ago I was very skeptical.  I'm an economist and a policy wonk -- it's my nature.  A fellow Kossack asked me whether I had ever read his policy positions at the website.  Truth is, I hadn't.  When I did, I found them just as detailed and as well-reasoned as Hillary's.  His policy advisors are truly outstanding.  But Presidents aren't just policy-makers -- they're leaders.  We don't elect a Micromanager-in-Chief.

It's true -- Barack doesn't emphasize policy details in his speeches.  Why not?  Maybe it's because he knows that a laundry list for change is not enough:

Because hope is not blind optimism. I know how hard it will be to make these changes. I know this because I fought on the streets of Chicago as a community organizer to bring jobs to the jobless in the shadow of a shuttered steel plant. I've fought in the courts as a civil rights lawyer to make sure people weren't denied their rights because of what they looked like or where they came from. I've fought in the legislature to take power away from lobbyists. I've won some of those fights, but I've lost some of them too. I've seen good legislation die because good intentions weren't backed by a mandate for change.  Barack Obama, 2/12/2007

WE are the community that Barack Obama has chosen to organize.  That's where his experience has come shining through in the past year.  Barack is already leading us.  That's where Barack has the lifelong experience that, frankly, Hillary lacks.  

We need a new direction in this country. Everywhere I go, I meet Americans who can't wait another day for change. They're not just showing up to hear a speech - they need to know that politics can make a difference in their lives, that it's not too late to reclaim the American Dream.  Barack Obama, 2/12/2007

I believe that we can reclaim America for ourselves.  The solutions will come, but only if WE are those solutions.  

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    •  Obama's Plan for Open-Source Democracy (1+ / 0-)

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      http://www.prospect.org/...

      an understated key to Obama's people-powered politics.

      •  Why not make federal policy a Wiki page? (0+ / 0-)

        After all, this election is not about Obama, it is about US!  Or better yet, ME!  Me and us, or us and me.  Remember there is no U in team or in Obama. We can do it because we know we can.  Obamalot is back and ready to be right from day one.  With Bill McKay there's a better way and with Obama you know you'll wanna....do....something.  Because change is American and we know we can.

        •  You see, it's this kind of condescension... (3+ / 0-)

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          That hurts Hillary in the end.

          "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." Sun Tzu

          Please support Barack Obama.

          by DaveV on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:02:30 AM PDT

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        •  forgive me.... (0+ / 0-)

          I have a lot of respect for Obama and even though he is currently not my candidate would happily vote for him.  But notions like "open source democracy" make me shake my head.  They are a throwback to the days of Plato's Philosopher Kings, except here, to paraphrase Huey Long, every man with a modem will be a king.  Man as a creature wars daily with his own nature.  He wants freedom, but he also wants order and predictability.  This is the eternal dilemna

          •  Do you even know what the plan is? (0+ / 0-)

            Or are you just going to continue railing against the title of an American Prospect article?

            Does Net Neutrality mean anything to you?  Or is that to vague and fuzzy?

            How about disclosure enforcement?  Does that mean anything?

            For somebody who claims to want details, you're not very detail-oriented.

            Does democracy really bother you that much, philosopher king?

            •  How this will unfold... (0+ / 0-)

              It will unfold the same way term limits did - the law of unintended consequences will come into play.  Just as term limits dethroned the old style political bosses only to replace them with new style lobbyist bosses, this new technological movement will start with the opening of democracy but swiftly empower an unelected techno-elite.  

              The average person has neither the inclination nor time to play the sort of role ideally described here.  The vast majority of people just want to live their lives.  Our democratic electoral system is an imperfect system but the Founders genius lay in the balance of powers playing off against one another.

              Who will end up partaking of this ongoing exercise?  It will skew towards the higher income demographics, and given our current socio-economic statistics these will be largely white men.  The Digital Divide is real and remains unbridged. This scheme would have more merit if it recognized that technical wizardry will not only not address fundamental disparities, it will end up entrenching them.

              •  You don't know what you're talking about. (0+ / 0-)

                In particular, your digital divide comment shows how little research you've done on this topic.

                Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Barack Obama believes that America should lead the world in broadband penetration and Internet access. As a country, we have ensured that every American has access to telephone service and electricity, regardless of economic status, and Obama will do likewise for broadband Internet access. Full broadband penetration can enrich democratic discourse, enhance competition, provide economic growth, and bring significant consumer benefits. Moreover, improving our infrastructure will foster competitive markets for Internet access and services that ride on that infrastructure. Obama believes we can get true broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation’s wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives. Specifically, Obama proposes the following policies to restore

                America’s world leadership in this arena:
                • Redefine "broadband:" The Federal Communications Commission today defines "broadband" as an astonishingly low 200 kbps. This distorts federal policy and hamstrings efforts to broaden broadband access. Obama will define "broadband" for purposes of national policy at speeds demanded by 21st century business and communications.

                • Universal Service Reform: Obama will establish a multi-year plan with a date certain to change the Universal Service Fund program from one that supports voice communications to one that supports affordable broadband, with a specific focus on reaching previously un-served communities.

                • Unleashing the Wireless Spectrum: Obama will confront the entrenched Washington interests that have kept our public airwaves from being maximized for the public’s interest. Obama will demand a review of existing uses of our wireless spectrum. He will create incentives for smarter, more efficient and more imaginative use of government spectrum and new standards for commercial spectrum to bring affordable broadband to rural communities that previously lacked it. He will ensure that we have enough spectrum for police, ambulances and other public safety purposes.

                • Bringing Broadband to our Schools, Libraries, Households and Hospitals: Obama will recommit America to ensuring that our schools, libraries, households and hospitals have access to next generation broadband networks. He will also make sure that there are adequate training and other supplementary resources to allow every school, library and hospital to take full advantage of the broadband connectivity.

                • Encourage Public/Private Partnerships: Obama will encourage innovation at the local level through federal support of

                Print this out and read it twice with a hilighter in hand.

                http://obama.3cdn.net/... (pdf)

                Do yourself a favor and learn the details instead of griping to others about your ignorance.

          •  Forgiven. (0+ / 0-)

            It's a long road to a more open form of government; and we will have to change our nature.  But large numbers of people from all walks of life are willing to try -- if they have leadership.  That's how transformations begin.

            "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." Sun Tzu

            Please support Barack Obama.

            by DaveV on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:15:56 AM PDT

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  •  Some of us believe... (6+ / 1-)

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    Yes WE Can includes Hillary...

    Obama/Richardson '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 06:30:41 AM PDT

  •  "we" (0+ / 0-)

    can include Hillary

    Hope doesn't have a finite amount of seats at the table.

  •  thanks for posting this (3+ / 0-)

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    very well said.  I'm already tired of the MSM line 'Well, what are Obama's specifics?' and so on.  If some of these people would take the time they've wasted complaining about him and actually do a little research, they would find just as many policy papers on his website as Clinton has.  It's not like he's letting her have all the ideas and solutions, that's such a stupid narrative.  

    The REAL solutions involve MORE people, MORE voters, MORE ideas, MORE hope.  The more people that plug in and give hope a chance, the more likely we are to move toward some type of agreement on whatever issue is most important to you.  Saying 'I have all the ideas' is not anything new or different; it's the same old situation where politicians do what serves them best, and all normal citizens can do is HOPE IT DOESN'T SCREW THEM OVER.  Haven't we had about enough of that?

    •  "Haven't we had about enough of that?" (1+ / 0-)

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      Yep.  I know I sure have.

      "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." Sun Tzu

      Please support Barack Obama.

      by DaveV on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 06:36:59 AM PDT

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    •  The problem so far (0+ / 0-)

      is that Obama hasn't read any laundry list speeches with policy specifics.  He's got white papers but he's not exactly incorporating them into the media profile in any meaningful way.

      "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

      by Salo on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 06:52:19 AM PDT

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      •  Although (1+ / 0-)

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        of course that hasn't been much of a problem at the ballot box for him.

        "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

        by Salo on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 06:52:52 AM PDT

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      •  Is that what we need, a laundry list? (1+ / 0-)

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        I think a lot of us know the list.  If it includes all the things that Bush and the Republic party have fucked up over the years, it might be easier and quicker if Obama just gets out there and lists the things that DON'T NEED FIXING.

  •  No. we can't. (0+ / 0-)

    Expel Hillary from the party. Now. Before it's too late.

    Run Obama as a third party candidate before Hillary steals Texas.

    That's the ticket.

    skiddly bop doo wow!

    by skiddlybop on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 06:35:06 AM PDT

  •  Exactly. (8+ / 0-)

    I'm not pro-Obama because of the policy positions outlined necessarily; I'm far to the left of Obama. (Though I should say that I am against Hillary as a matter of her record, very strongly.)

    But in the end I'm pro-Obama precisely because of the fairy tale "fluff" that some people here can't get their head around. Real change, revolutionary change, requires a popular movement. It requires that someone manage, through whatever means, to leverage the very overdiscussed (but almost never seen) "power of the people."

    The first step in obtaining this kind of leverage is to unite the people; to begin to get them acting in concert. This is what a "mandate" is, this is how new, transformational policy is enacted, and it is the difference (always, throughout history) between someone who struggles along and "fights the good fight" with their political adversaries and someone who makes their political adversaries simply crumble, looking lost the entire time.

    People here say that Obama's voters are like a "cult," that he reminds them of Hitler or other supremely popular leaders... as if that's an inherently bad thing. It is a dangerous thing, no doubt, but Obama has the right record to ameliorate that danger. People compare Obama's popularity to Bush's popularity early on and say "look where that got us."

    Look, indeed. Bush was able for a full term to do anything he damn well pleased because his popularity was very, very high. Obama can achieve the same, but with a progressive platform. Do we not want that? Do we really want to elect someone who will go in and "fight the good fight" for eight years and get essentially nowhere, hamstrung but division and the battle context?

    Give me the man who turns all of America into a giant cult. Perfect. Because while everyone is dancing to the tune of their own projections about his similarity to themselves and the degree to which his dreams are theirs, we can shift the country a mile to the left without having to fight at all.

    *Duh, people.*

    Duh.

    -9.63, 0.00
    Anti-groupthink is the groupthink of the anti-groupthink group.

    by nobody at all on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 06:38:26 AM PDT

    •  Precisely (1+ / 0-)

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      for the most part Barack is the lens that focuses the demands of the public and the shared common values of the polity.  It's why he keeps going back to the common themes of what it means to be an American and the values that we've signed on to.  The key is getting those demand and values focused.  The laundry list method does not tie the values together, it's just a string of unconnected themes of individual self interest.  The power really comes from taking them, packing them within American values that transcends those self interests.  

      I like Hilary Clinton, I think she's good at articulating important policies, but she's horrible at focusing these things in away that pulls cross sections of the American public to push them through.

      In contrast I think Barack Obama can pull together things themes, present them as part of the American values and by mobilizing the public push them through.

  •  Excellent points (1+ / 0-)

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    Too bad some people are so blinded by racist hate that they won't embrace the most important political movement in decades.

    Embrace your inner Obama - vote hope and honesty not the politics of cynicism and division.

    by DJ ProFusion on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 06:40:08 AM PDT

    •  Don't be afraid of them (0+ / 0-)

      It's a sad state of affairs when a stand up comedian does a better interview than a guy on a "real news network."

      by MingPicket on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 06:50:01 AM PDT

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    •  Well said (1+ / 0-)

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      I totally agree with nobody's comment there.

      This is the perfect storm of an election. Collossal failure of the Bush administration gives us the perfect oportunity to get everyone on board to fix a lot of things in this country that need to be fixed. The electoral map is poised to give us huge gains in the house and senate.

      AND we have the candidate of our generation in Barack Obama. Forget Bush, this could be the Reagan Revolution all over again. We could be getting Obama republican support for 15-20 years just like the Repubs got with Reagan!

      We can't afford to blow this by nominating politics as usual. Just my 2 cents.

    •  Stop hiding comments that you disagree with! (0+ / 0-)

      You are abusing your trusted user status.

      Also, if you do fling a donut, it is common courtesy to post a comment explaining why you think that comment and thread should be hidden from others.

    •  Why do you believe that... (2+ / 0-)

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      all non Obama supporters are "blinded by racist hate" and not motivated by some other more rational reasoning?

      That is quite a generalization by you...

      Obama/Richardson '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:19:56 AM PDT

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  •  I am for Hillary but.... (0+ / 0-)

    I like posts like this.

    And I dont like post that says it is only the Hillary camp that does negative attacks or that Obama is unfairly being attack.

    Because from my view--it really is the OBama camp that has been very vicious against Hillary leaking to press the Hsu, Pakistani, Tashikstan lobby and mischaracterizing health care, SS Iraq positions of Hillary.

    Fact check Obama spins on Hillary http://facts.hillaryhub.com/

    by timber on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 06:47:52 AM PDT

  •  Exactly (2+ / 0-)

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    Great leaders become great because they inspire the people they lead to get involved. FDR is a perfect example.

    The press really doesn't get this, esp. the dunces on cable TV. I'm not sure my generation (the boomers) get this either.  But, the younger generation gets it and they are looking for someone who will give them an opportunity to get involved.

    While Hillary is focused on Hillary, Obama is focused on empowering voters. I suspect even after this is all over she still won't understand why she got beaten.

  •  I wish Bush had done some Micromanaging. (0+ / 0-)

    Transforming the middle east with sweeping change and hope for Jeffersonian democracy didn't work out so well.

    "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

    by Salo on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 06:50:30 AM PDT

  •  I can't wait to hear (1+ / 0-)

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    Obama respond to Hillary's
    "Solutions Over Speeches" frame in their next debate.

    Her big fat softball coming in over the heart of the plate, and is about to get hit out of the park.

    In a democracy, the most important office is the office of citizen.- Louis Brandeis

    by crystal eyes on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 06:51:28 AM PDT

  •  Vote for Barack and all you wildest dreams will.. (4+ / 1-)

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    "Barack doesn't emphasize policy details in his speeches.  Why not?"

    Perhaps because reciting details means he will be held accountable for...something, anything?  No, no - better to stick to "hope" and "change."  Something as vague as that provides great freedom to do what one wants later and not be accused of the dreaded flip-flop or betrayal.  

    The Obama campaign at present is like one of those great big balloons at the Macy's Parade.  It is being pumped with the hot air of countless generalities and may even stay aloft long enough to put him in the Oval Office.  But at some point those pesky details will need to be filled in.  Usually in a democracy we prefer it to happen before the election so we can make an informed choice.  Right now, we look to be breaking that trend.

    •  Yeah, OK there, Grumps McCain (2+ / 0-)

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      Obama comes out with a major economic policy platform two days ago and he's only about vague fuzzy feelings?

      Or maybe you're just another one of those underinformedClinton voters?

    •  Yeah, why would we want a mandate anyway? (3+ / 0-)

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      You're right FDR. Why would Obama want to inspire people to vote for him? I mean, what are we trying to do? Win a landslide in the legislative branch? What are we crazy?

      I mean this guy actually makes people LIKE him instead of insulting the voters in 40 states by saying they don't matter. The nerve of this guy to inspire people, instead of dividing them telling them that latinos won't vote for blacks, or that caucus-goers are just rich people who "don't need a president."

      This inspiration really has to stop. We need to deflate this ridiculous hope before we have this disaster of a huge electoral win and the presidency and a mandate for fixing the country.

      if you need to see /snark, pls look up sarcasm in the dictionary :)

      •  Inspiration? (0+ / 0-)

        Reagan walked this path before, he was a master of Morning in America.  Give me content and details any time.

        And you are making up things about Hillary she never said or supported.  The Latino thing is a twisting of the Bendixen quote.  And the caucus quote you cite is also a twisting of Bill's words.

        If we are to cite objectionable quotes from supporters, I could fill a volume just from the threads of the KOS site of statements by Obama supporters aimed at Hillary that reek of hate, sexism and misogyny.  I don't hold Obama responsible for this nor do I think he believes or agrees with these sentiments.  However, a double standard operates with Hillary and she is to be tarred with everything possible, and where not possible they are made up.

    •  Uprated to counter DJ ProFusion's itchy finger n/ (1+ / 0-)

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  •  Towards a Transparent and Connected Democracy! (2+ / 0-)

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  •  What solutions? (2+ / 0-)

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    Could Hillary be a little more specific here?  Instead of giving us empty worded speeches.  What solutions has she provided?

    Vote for AUMF
    Vote for predatory lending
    Vote for Bankruptcy Bill
    Bill's NAFTA
    Bill giving China most favored nation status
    Vote for Patriot Act
    Vote for Kyle/Lieberman

    •  Exactly why I am "anti-hillary" (0+ / 0-)

      The woman is not far away from McCain on anything that matters to me. The people who say that there is a big difference between Hillary and McCain are talking almost entirely about individual social issues voting like abortion/womens' rights.

      They manage to not see how a pro-war vote that has cost more than 1,000,000 Iraqi lives (and many thousands of American lives and many billions of American dollars, bankrupting a generation and stealing from other social programs) might just be a bigger deal than preventing a few tens of thousands of women every year from having abortions.

      Sorry to be crass and mathematical people, but if it's 50,000 or 100,000 individuals whose personal social rights inside the U.S. only are protected by Hillary, while in terms of a hundreds-of-billions boondoggle and genocidal, globally-destablilizing war she's identical to McCain... Then as far as I'm concerned the difference is a matter of fucking pedantry.

      I don't give a shit about supreme court justices in the face of such military and economic and diplomatic disaster, and people who are willing to vote "supremes" rather than global military/economic/diplomatic issues are just plain selfish Americans who ought to be stopped anyway.

      -9.63, 0.00
      Anti-groupthink is the groupthink of the anti-groupthink group.

      by nobody at all on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:40:19 AM PDT

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  •  Just because Obama supporters... (1+ / 0-)

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    stuck up for a person who posted an unpopular comment...I am recommending the diary...Thanks...

    Go Democrats...Peace!!!!

    Obama/Richardson '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:27:29 AM PDT

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