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How quickly we forget

Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:26:53 PM PDT

Thirty years ago Congress enacted, and President Ford reluctantly Carter signed, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the outgrowth of the investigations of the Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, mercifully much better known as the Church Committee. One of the many ironies of this 30th anniversary of FISA is that the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence became a permanent fixture in the wake of these investigations, and it is, of course, the SSCI led by Democrat Jay Rockefeller that is doing its damnedest to help the Bush administration destroy that 30-year old law.

The current all-out assault by the Bush administration on FISA is wholly predictable, given the career-long obsession of one man--Dick Cheney--with restoring the power of the executive to its pre-Watergate, pre-Church Committee hey days. Cheney's history on this score is well documented by this Charlie Savage piece. Cheney's career, even in those years when he served in Congress, have been bent toward one end:

"In 34 years, I have repeatedly seen an erosion of the powers and the ability of the president of the United States to do his job," Cheney said on ABC in January 2002. "I feel an obligation...to pass on our offices in better shape than we found them to our successors."
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[Following the NYT's revelations in December 2005 of the warrantless wiretapping scandal] Cheney sat down with reporters and laid out his belief "in a strong, robust executive authority." Bypassing the warrant law, he asserted, was "consistent with the constitutional authority of the president."

Cheney also indicated that he hopes to establish further precedents for the expansion of presidential authority. Listing other statutory constraints on presidential power, he said they "will be tested at some point." When Cheney was asked whether he believed that the pendulum of executive power had swung back far enough in the direction he desired, or whether it needed to swing back further, he demurred.

"I do think that to some extent now, we've been able to restore the legitimate authority of the presidency," he replied.

One thing you can say for Dick, he's consistent. In 1975, when the Church investigations were going full bore, Seymour Hersh published an article in the New York Times describing a CIA espionage program, Cheney's reaction:

Congressional investigations of the C.I.A., including one by a select committee led by Senator Frank Church, were under way in the post-Watergate era.

Under the heading "Broader ramifications," Mr. Cheney wrote: "Can we take advantage of it to bolster our position on the Church committee investigation? To point out the need for limits on the scope of the investigation?"

More immediately, Mr. Cheney considered possible responses to the article. One was to "seek immediate indictments of NYT and Hersh." A second was to get a search warrant "to go after Hersh papers in his apt."

During the Church Committee's investigations, the White House, where Dick Cheney had risen to the position of chief of staff, frequently resorted to claims that Church was harming national security, that his committee had left the intelligence community "naked before our enemies."

The White House was scarcely more temperate. In his State of Union address, Ford referred to "the crippling of our foreign intelligence agencies" in a dangerous world. Vice President Rockefeller accused the Church committee of aiding America's enemies by exposing U.S. intelligence operations. And Henry Kissinger, who later described Church as "our scourge on Vietnam and constant critic of 'deceitful' methods," called on the country to stop undercutting its ability to conduct foreign policy. Years later, Kissinger continued to say that Church had "practically wrecked" the C.I.A. [Fighting the Odds: The life of Senator Frank Church, LeRoy Asby and Rod Gramer, Washington State Univ. Press, 1994. p. 488]

Despite the supposed "crippling" of the CIA, the U.S. was able to prevail in what was the greatest threat to the safety of the country, and the entire world; nuclear annihilation in a potential war with the Soviet Union. The existence of FISA also didn't hamper the U.S. from gathering enough intelligence to suspect, and to provide a briefing to the President on August 6, 2001, an imminent attack by al Qaeda within the United States. We had the evidence, it was ignored.

The national security trope is that last refuge of Cheney and Bush; one that they have relied upon time and time again to justify the executive power grab and who knows what illegal activities. Unfortunately, it's a head fake that has worked with Jay Rockefeller and too many Blue Dog Democrats in the Senate and House, particularly when it comes to telco amnesty.

In that regard, let's return to May 15, 2007, and James B. Comey's incredible testimony about the hospital confrontation between Alberto Gonzales and John Ashcroft over this program. Analyzing that testimony, Marty Lederman wrote:

This is the real heart of the Comey story -- What happened between September 2001 and October 2003, before Comey and Goldmsith came aboard? Just how radical were the Administration's legal judgments? How extreme were the programs they implemented? How egregious was the lawbreaking?

It is imperative now that the Senate do all it can to obtain and investigate the entire paper trail that led up to the events described yesterday. There is no longer any excuse for the legislature to be denied the OLC opinions, at least pre-Goldsmith, that were the basis for the Executive branch's regime of extra-legal conduct. Not only the OLC Opinions and the Executive orders on the NSA program, but also the all-important Yoo Opinion signed on March 14, 2003, the day after Jay Bybee left OLC, which was the genesis for the terrible abuse that occurred in the Department of Defense during the remainder of 2003.

We don't know the answers to Lederman's questions. We don't know because the Senate has not investigated. Instead, it caved to the pressure of the administration by actually trying to codify the illegal activities in its S 2248, the FISA update. And it is aiding and abetting the administration in making sure we never know the answer to these questions by closing the one avenue that exists to investigate: the civil suits brought by the ACLU and the Electronic Frontier Foundation against the telcos that did the administration's illegal bidding.

The national security argument is one that should now be firmly debunked. The House of Representatives thwarted Bush's will and allowed the egregious Protect America Act to expire. The sky hasn't fallen. Bush was so little concerned about our nation's security that he abandoned his Oval Office post for a week to go to Africa.

We all now know, and if we didn't, DNI McConnell has been kind enough to tell us, the "real issue . . . is liability protection for the private sector." Meaning, the real issue is maintaining a veil of secrecy over the illegal activities of the telcos and, more importantly, the administration.

In all of this, Jay Rockefeller, more than any other, has played the patsy, for unknown reasons. It can't be the telcos' campaign donations--he is a Rockefeller, after all. He hardly needs the money. Perhaps it's his natural affinity for the private sector--he is a Rockefeller, after all. But whatever it is, it's a dereliction of duty, the duty he swore when taking his oath of office, to "support and defend the Constitution."

To remind him of that oath, and of the magnitude of his actions, here's a reminder for him from his predecessor on the Intelligence Committee, Senator Church:

Personal privacy is protected because it is essential to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Our Constitution checks the power of Government for purposes of protecting the rights of individuals, in order that all our citizens may live in a free and decent society. Unlike totalitarian states, we do not believe that any government has a monopoly on truth.

When government infringes those rights instead of nurturing and protecting them, the injury spreads far beyond the particular citizens targeted to untold numbers of other Americans who may be intimidated.

Free government depends upon the ability of all its citizens to speak their minds without fear of official sanction. The ability of ordinary people to be heard by their leaders means that they must be free to join in groups in order more effectively to express their grievances. Constitutional safeguards are needed to protect the timid as well as the courageous, the weak as well as the strong. While many Americans have been willing to assert their beliefs in the face of possible governmental reprisals, no citizen should have to weigh his or her desire to express and opinion, or join a group, against the risk of having lawful speech or association used against him....

The natural tendency of government is toward abuse of power. Men entrusted with power, even those aware of its dangers, tend, particularly when pressured, to slight liberty.

Our constitutional system guards against this tendency. It establishes many different checks upon power. It is those wise restraints which keep men free. In the field of intelligence those restraints have too often been ignored....

The United States must not adopt the tactics of the enemy. Means are important, as ends. Crisis makes it tempting to ignore the wise restraints that make men free. But each time we do so, each time the means we use are wrong, our inner strength, the strength which makes us free, is lessened.

Update: Now this is a signing statement. Pres. Carter on signing FISA:

I am pleased to sign into law today the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. . . . The bill requires, for the first time, a prior judicial warrant for all electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence or counterintelligence purposes in the United States in which communications of U.S. persons might be intercepted. It clarifies the Executive's authority to gather foreign intelligence by electronic surveillance in the United States. It will remove any doubt about the legality of those surveillances which are conducted to protect our country against espionage and international terrorism.

(H/T bobdevo in comments)

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  •  Take-away lesson for me: Darth has been (8+ / 0-)

    power-mad for a very long time!

    Aloha  ..  ..  ..

  •  I know this is a silly question, considering the (5+ / 0-)

    corporate-owned media control of the election in 2000 and 2004, but why wasn't all this Cheney s**t exposed during his V.P. run on the White House?  If the electorate was made aware of his intention to create an imperial presidency, perhaps there would have been an outcry demanding he step aside.

    Oh well.  Who needs a free press that exposes the truth for all to see?

    Oh and, Dick, aren't you gone yet?  You should be, 'cause the entire country is totally sick of your old, ugly, sneering, horrible face.

    Just sayin'...

    •  Two words: Shock Doctrine (4+ / 0-)

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      So much of what we see out of Cheney is a result of 9/11. Yes, he did have some imperial tendencies prior to 9/11. But he took full advantage of the fear immediately after the attack to completely move his office out of public view and get whatever legislation through Congress that he could. Without it, Bush would have been a 1 term president, finishing somewhere in the low 40% approval range and all the damage he did would have been limited. As it was, they just barely squeaked by in 2004.

      Do Pavlov's dogs chase Schroedinger's cat?

      by corwin on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:10:29 PM PDT

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    •  Some of it was... (2+ / 0-)

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      but the American people didn't pay attention to it. Or maybe they didn't think Cheney would get the chance to enact any of it. (Yes, Americans are sometimes too naive.)

      Then again, this isn't the sort of thing that would make most rethuglicans change their votes--they actually love the idea of a strong Executive Branch. I'm pretty sure most of them would prefer a dictatorship, at least when their guy was in power.

      But Cheney may find his approach backfires the next time there is a Democrat in the White House and rethuglicans control Congress.

      ~Doc~

      -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

      by EquationDoc on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:18:33 PM PDT

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      •  WHY is this Cheney's obsession? (1+ / 0-)

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        The current all-out assault by the Bush administration on FISA is wholly predictable, given the career-long obsession of one man--Dick Cheney--with restoring the power of the executive to its pre-Watergate, pre-Church Committee hey days.

        I can't quite figure that part out.  Maybe I'm missing something, but what is in it for him to have the presidency be an all-powerful, imperial position?  Sure, he gets a lot of personal power for a while here -- but even he must know at this point that he's not going to be around much longer to enjoy it.

        And if, looking beyond himself, he really does have some deeper, genuine ideological belief for this happening, I surely can't imagine him believing that future Democratic presidents should also have all this power he grabbing for the presidency.

        I don't quite get it.

        •  Oh, who ever knows. My best guess is... (0+ / 0-)

          that a very strong Executive Branch plays into the rethuglican mindset, and helps rethuglicans get elected, giving them a slightly better shot at the White House every four years. And of course it also allows their little $800 billion (and counting) military incursions whenever they like.

          And they know a Democrat in the White House would never use this power, only they would, so it's kind of like having a trump card over Congress any time there's a rethuglican in the White House.

          Then again, it's Dick Cheney. He doesn't need to have a reason: he's a dick.

          ~Doc~

          -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

          by EquationDoc on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:47:00 PM PDT

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          •  Are you kidding me? (0+ / 0-)

            A Democrat would never use this power?  What planet are you living on?  I can't see any Democrat giving up such power, in case it's "needed" in the future.  Heard any one of our present candidates forswear these executive privileges?  No, I didn't think so.  And you won't, either.

            "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

            by SueDe on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:17:10 PM PDT

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  •  These evil men (3+ / 0-)

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    must be stopped. They are in the process of destroying this country.

    If we continue to accumulate only power and not wisdom, we will surely destroy ourselves. -Carl Sagan

    by LightningMan on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:36:03 PM PDT

  •  Wasn't Carter the president... (1+ / 0-)

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    ...30 years ago?

    To call Bush a lying sack of shit would be to slander idle bags of fertilizer.

    by turdraker on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:38:43 PM PDT

  •  How extraordinary. (17+ / 0-)

    Vice President Rockefeller accused the Church committee of aiding America's enemies by exposing U.S. intelligence operations.

    Cheney ends up back in power after all these years, and Vice President Rockefeller's nephew Jay ends up as Chairman of the committee that writes the bill to gut FISA once and for all.

    •  Yup. (13+ / 0-)

      I have personalized this to a large degree, I think, because it is the work of Senator Church. To see it all undone, willfully, by a fucking Democrat, is really hard to take.

      "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

      by mcjoan on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:43:57 PM PDT

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      •  How ironic it is that today's Congressional Dem (10+ / 0-)

        leadership continues to fail to make the case that the 9/11 plot most likely would have been stopped dead if the idiots at FBI HQ (specifically Bush appointee Mike Maltbie) refused to submit repeated FISA requests from field agents who had arrested and interviewed Zacharias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker who was detained with his laptop almost a month before the attack.

        Here's a very detailed overview of the issue.

        Of course, the Beltway crowd (most Dems - and especially Rockefeller - included) bought into the neocon version which is that the FBI was so cowed by the FISA courts (because one agent who made ridiculous warrant requests riddled with fabrications was reprimanded by a FISA judge) that they were just too timid to submit a warrant request to search Moussaoui's computer for fear of getting slapped on the wrists.

        Get that?  The fucking FBI leadership (again, in the person of Bush plant Malbie) was more afraid of FISA judges (who routinely approved well over 99% of the warrants submitted to them - and who disapprove only of blatant forgeries) than they were of allowing a major attack on US soil to occur.

        How has this meme been allowed to stand, even up to today?  Cowardice can only go so far in providing an explanation for this.   Reasonable people are forced to suspect complicity in the actions of those - again, like Rockefeller - who are standing in the way of disclosure regarding the most monumental failure in the history of US Intel and criminal investigations.

        To come full circle: the primary whistleblower on this issue, Colleen Rowley, is unequivocal in her assessment that FBI HQ - not the FISA court - blew the pre-9/11 investigation, and that the current bid for Telcom immunity is nothing short of a massive coverup.

        "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

        by nailbender on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:08:19 PM PDT

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        •  forgot a word: (1+ / 0-)

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          the 9/11 plot most likely would have been stopped dead if the idiots at FBI HQ (specifically Bush appointee Mike Maltbie) hadn't refused to submit repeated FISA requests from field agents who had arrested and interviewed Zacharias Moussaoui,

          "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

          by nailbender on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:10:30 PM PDT

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          •  There is a simple explanation re: Moussaoui (2+ / 0-)

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            No warrant was issued to view Moussaoui's computer because the FIB leadership didn't want it to happen, or more accurately, somebody above the FIB didn't want it to happen. And the proof is the fact that all the FIB managers in DC who stopped the warrant from going forward were all promoted for their inertia. That would not have happened if Bush/Cheney were not happy with the ways things went.

            •  unfortunately (1+ / 0-)

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              that is one of the more logical conclusions.  

              As I said above, cowardice and incompetence can't possibly explain it all, because the Moussaoui episode was only one small piece of a huge tapestry of alarm bells being rung by agents all over the place, any one of which should have been enough cause to dive into a full-scale investigation across the country.  That first link I posted covers it pretty well.  When viewed in toto, it is a devastating picture of willful official ignorance (if ignorance can be defined as "the art of ignoring").

              "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

              by nailbender on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:08:32 PM PDT

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        •  probably the biggest coverup evah! (0+ / 0-)

          "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

          by ezdidit on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:23:54 PM PDT

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      •  mcjoan, thank you so much for your diligence (5+ / 0-)

        in tracking this story and keeping it elevated as one of the most significant assaults on our constitutional rights in the history of this nation.

        I am holding to my theory that both Pelosi and Feinstein were briefed, at some point, on this AT&T room at SBC building at 611 Folsom Street in San Francisco... and they approved it either directly or by saying nothing (tacit approval by no challenge). It explains why Feinstein wants to bury the issue -- otherwise it will come out via lawsuits etc that she knew all about it back in 02, 03, 04, 05, 06 and 07.

        •  That's the part that gets lost (4+ / 0-)

          the assault on the Constitution part--it's boiled down to just another political fight in the traditional media. And I think it has been for too many of our representatives in Congress.

          I don't know that they have these history lessons, and they certainly need to.

          "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

          by mcjoan on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:41:15 PM PDT

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          •  what's enfuriating is just how easy it would be (0+ / 0-)

            to explain this to Americans. It's really not hard at all.

            The bullet points are:

            * Second Amendment: unwarranted search & seizure

            * U.S. Intelligence Agencies have needed to wiretap suspected communicators with foreign enemies, so as to protect our national security.

            * Congress figured out a way to give NSA, FBI, CIA the authorization to tap the communications of suspected Americans where there was probable cause --- and they gave the intelligence agencies the ability to initiate wiretapping without prior needing to obtain a court order...

            * ... so as not to in any way impede with red tape the need to move fast, instantly ...

            * with one proviso: that later, after the fact, they obtain the warrant, thereby complying with our laws and Constituitional protections

            ---

            * For Bush this wasn't enough, and he, never one to care about any constitutional rights, wanted to remove even THAT protection of probable cause, and thusly authorized ATT & Verizon to sift every single conversation and electronic communication of every American, just in the event it would yield actionable intelligence related to terrorist planning.

            * He got caught using this illegal carte blanche which had dismissed the FISA law as irrelevant, and once exposed to Congress, the remedy for Bush was to now define those actions as legal by amending the law to fit the actions he'd authorized.

            * He got that amendment, but even that was not good enough. Because ATT & Verizon had broken federal laws and violated the 2nd Amendment of the United States, Bush wanted to remedy that too with a retroactive provision that ensured that ATT & Verizon could never be held accountable for those breeches of American law and constitutional protection.

            * Which is why the arcane term "retroactive immunity for telcos" became the front & center issue over the past 6 months, with Bush lying to America that Democrats were cutting off his ability to conduct now-legal surveillance, unless they also agreed that ATT could not be sued for their prior illegal actions.

            ----
            That was just a first pass... But this could be treated in USA Today format, with highly visual graphics, and every single American could be able to understand this -- just as they could understand the tangled web of Hurricane Katrina and the FEMA inaction, once they were simply explained what happened.

            So these become conglomerate media choices, which even trump the traitorous actions of the likes of Dianne Feinstein. At the end of the day, what is enabling America to be wrecked is the conglomerate media cartel, in whose boardrooms decisions are made to ignore certain stories that cast corporate power in negative light.

            We won't clean up with mess with new Democrats, though that could help. We will only come close to cleaning up this wholesale dismantling of the American system of checks and balances when the alt-media gains mainstream access into living rooms. That's Josh Marshall, Marcy Wheeler, John Amato, you (mcjoan), and a host of others... But it absolutely requires TV (broadband video), not text on a screen. Text on a screen was nice, as a start, but only for educating ourselves.

            Text on a screen is not a mainstream communication delivery system or strategy. One day the blogoshere will grok to this. But it is taking way too long.

            •  Wa-a-ay too long. You would have lost (1+ / 0-)

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              most of the public at bullet point #3.  Brian Williams would never get through it all on the 6:00 news.  Even KO would have trouble with it all in a Special Comment.

              "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

              by SueDe on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:53:45 PM PDT

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              •  right... so take your shot at doing it well... :) (0+ / 0-)

                like i said, a first pass, off the top of my head.

                But Fiore's animation, done without tongue in cheek, would more or less cover it, except for the all impt connection to the 2nd Amendment.

                --

                Question At Large:

                Why is it not the default-behavior of commentors  to go one step beyond telling someone why xyz is wrong or bad? Why not take a shot at making something work?

          •  wow, that Mark Fiore cartoon crunches the (1+ / 0-)

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            whole thing down into about 8 bullet points... (thanks to whoever linked to it previously)

            http://www.markfiore.com/...

            Now if this, for example, were re-tracked with an audio track by someone like Clint Eastwood, not done with comedy or satire, but rather as a simple roll-out of what's been happening, that would be an example of how to make this comprehensible to Americans.

            Fiore is a genius -- and his satire is so satisfying and beautifully produced. But they do speak to the choir, that's all.. And I am looking more at ways to bring illustration techniques into American living rooms, painting a picture of what matters -- vs the Blitzer, Matthews, Hannity crap that passes for information and explanation.

    •  This is all speculation. Why, WHY (0+ / 0-)

      would Jay Rockfeller attempt to put the last nail in the coffin of FISA?  During the Bush presidency he's been in on intelligence briefings and had access to classified material.  He's been a real wimp about calling the administration out on their illegalities, but he's never actually gone to bat for them in the Senate. Is what the administration trying to hide somehow possibly implicating Rockefeller in some hideous, unconstitutional collusion?

      Like I said, all speculation.  I wish someone would hook the guy up to electrodes and ask him - WHY?

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:49:37 PM PDT

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  •  unanswered question: (3+ / 0-)

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    OK blame Cheney, but:

    why do so many Democrats in the Senate support the gutting of the old FISA laws and support the new UNCONSTITUTIONAL version.  Something smells fishy in Denmark.

    An illusion can never be destroyed directly... SK.

    by Thomas Twinnings on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:41:42 PM PDT

    •   The big question for me, why did Reid bring the (2+ / 0-)

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      Intel Bill forward instead of the Judiciary Bill that did not have Immunity in it ? At least then we would of had them on record as pushing for Immunity.

      Did anyone notice that the Dems for Immunity never sad so on the floor except for Rockefeller, yet they voted that way ??

      President Theodore Roosevelt,"No man can take part in the torture of a human being without having his own moral nature permanently lowered."

      by SmileySam on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:56:59 PM PDT

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      •  The bill originated in the SSCI (5+ / 0-)

        So, by virtue of Senate tradition and procedure, it got precedent on the floor. Now that wasn't written in stone, Reid could have bucked it. But the damn Senate. Anyway, there was a solid reason, at least as far as Senate procedures go.

        The other issue is that the SJC version would have been blocked by the GOP and Blue Dogs entirely.

        Our main hope remains the House.

        "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

        by mcjoan on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:01:35 PM PDT

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        •  The SJC version would have been blocked by GOP (6+ / 0-)

          And what has the GOP been busying itself with in all this time?

          Claiming that Democrats have been blocking needed FISA reforms.

          Might have been nice to have that shoe on the other foot. Not that they wouldn't have just lied about it.

          •  Yup (4+ / 0-)

            I don't blame Reid as much on the specifics on this one, but on the whole inability to play hardball with the Republicans. To force them out and expose them on these things.

            At the same time, though, he's got Rockefeller to deal with. Not to mention Lieberman. And the Nelsons. And Bayh. And on and on.

            Damn him for letting the PAA happen to begin with. One fix to FISA, just one little fix was all they needed.

            "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

            by mcjoan on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:11:55 PM PDT

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  •  The next line of Republican strategy (10+ / 0-)

    hand in hand with being able to obstruct the Congress until it cannot function, is to take advantage of weak  Democrats.

    They are literally going to try to hold out, like a castle undersiege, until they can mount a comeback as "reformers of paralyzed government".

    The fact that they paralyzed it, of course, will be largely overlooked by the media.

    These people are dangerous. Not wrong. Dangerous. They don't respect the law, they don't respect the offices, they don't respect history except the history they have rewritten.

    The next generation of Democrats needs to understand from day one that trying to be patient and reasonable with these people is a large part of why we are so fucked today. They see being diplomatic and thoughtful as a weakness.

    One of the things I expect to hear very often is that, with a Democratic Congress and White House, we should be respectful of the minority. Hogwash. The system needs to be rebolstered and reinforced to protect against future conservative assaults.

    If that means hurting David Broder's, or Jay Rockefeller's, feelings to get it done, so be it.

    As far as the media is concerned, we need a partisan media aparatus. Unapologetically so. There is no turning back the clock to the time before Fox News. The media went from being afraid to be accused of being "liberally biased" to being water carriers for this administration.

    There were lots of reporters, editors, and news directors and producers who knew that these people were potentially crossing the line. On a whole slew of issues and matters. Or shattering the line entirely. And they did nothing. Worse, sometimes they helped carry the smears and the attacks on people's patriotism and love of their country, and then rapped with Karl Rove at the White House Correspondents dinner.

    This era should be a game changer for liberals. It has to be.

    If we have another one like it, we might not recognize the country that emerges from it.

    "Arguments are extremely vulgar, for everyone in good society holds exactly the same opinion." - Oscar Wilde

    by LeftHandedMan on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:41:56 PM PDT

    •  Also (2+ / 0-)

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      I believe we are about to enter the greatest era of sustained concern trolling in the history of American politics.

      Before they try to impeach President Hilary for something they say she did years ago, or try to impeach President Obama for something they say he did years ago, they are going to try the 'concern' route first.

      1. Obstruct.
      1. "Moderate".
      1. Concern troll.
      1. Wash, Rinse, and reapeat.
      1. Hold out until the next wingnut wave.

      "Arguments are extremely vulgar, for everyone in good society holds exactly the same opinion." - Oscar Wilde

      by LeftHandedMan on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:48:56 PM PDT

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    •  Ripping them a new airhole (2+ / 0-)

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      will be a joy to behold. This cadre of subversives in the White House is lame. They are bullies, and I can't wait to see them hoisted on their own petards by the extraordinary executive powers they have claimed.

      Paraphrasing Nixon: When the Democrats do it, it can be found to have been illegal. No fourth amendment protections should keep a Democratic President from doing investigations by executive authority!

      Could a Democratic Unitary Executive prosecute BushCo by fiat? We will see, won't we. F*** SCOTUS if the President is The Law itself.

      What a caution that fat Cheney kid is, huh? Playing games with my democracy. Give me my democracy now!!

      "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

      by ezdidit on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:22:01 PM PDT

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    •  So who are you compaigning for? (0+ / 0-)

      The one who wants to "reach across the aisle" and make nice with the other side?  Or the one who holds no illusions about the need to crush the Republicans?

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:59:42 PM PDT

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  •  One thing you can say for Dick, he's consistent. (0+ / 0-)

    Yeah .............Consistently stupid and consistently an asshole.

  •  Presidential authority (5+ / 0-)

    should not be allowed to morph into Presidential  authoritarianism.

    If the Democrats have only one thing to show for these last seven years it should be prevailing against Bush on the FISA issue.  Even more than the Iraq war it is the single most important issue to bring to light because it points up just what kind of future world the Bush/Cheney administration it trying to construct for the Corporate Class.

    Awesome post mcjoan!

    Btw, has Seymour Hersh been around longer than the Horseshoe crab, or what.  The guy's amazing!

  •  Yes indeed (2+ / 0-)

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    Means are important, as ends

    my first successful blockquote!

    And a supreme court that protects corporations agaist citizens instead of citizens against corportions is the meanest end of all!  
    (This is a play on or with words)

  •  Can we get rid of Rockefeller (4+ / 0-)

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    just put Feingold as the chair of every commitee?

    Republicans need people to be stupid

    by strengthof10kmen on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:43:00 PM PDT

  •  Jimmy Carter signed it - in 1978 (9+ / 0-)

    and made a signing statement:

    I am pleased to sign into law today the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. . . .The bill requires, for the first time, a prior judicial warrant for all electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence or counterintelligence purposes in the United States in which communications of U.S. persons might be intercepted. It clarifies the Executive's authority to gather foreign intelligence by electronic surveillance in the United States. It will remove any doubt about the legality of those surveillances which are conducted to protect our country against espionage and international terrorism.

    "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex" Dwight D. Eisenhower

    by bobdevo on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:43:05 PM PDT

    •  It's Hard To Believe We Ever Had A President (5+ / 0-)

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      who actually found joy in obeying and protecting our Constitution.  The contrast between Carter and Bush, couldn't be more clear than in this Presidential Signing Statement.  Thanks!

      And, thank you MCJOAN.  This story made me Happy; it's is simply Mahhvalous Darling!  

      •  The 1978 Law - as enacted . . . (1+ / 0-)

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        AND the Presidential signing statement make it clear - VERY CLEAR - that Bush, Cheney, Gonzales & Co. are felons in violation of Title 50, Chapter 36, Subchapter 1, Section 1800 et seq. of the US Code, aka FISA.

        "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex" Dwight D. Eisenhower

        by bobdevo on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 08:47:58 PM PDT

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  •  Back then the Senate was loaded with integrity (6+ / 0-)

    and backbone. Kennedy, McGovern, McCarthy, Fullbright, Morse, Church - the list goes on. Even Goldwater could tell right from wrong.

    Today - Feingold, Leahey, Dodd.... who else will we look back on in 30-40 years and be grateful that  they stood up for their country, and their principles?

    We are a weaker and poorer nation when our leaders fail to lead, and follow instead.

    I was drawn to the flame because of the light, but got lost in the smoke.

    by maizenblue on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:46:25 PM PDT

    •  House Judiciary (1+ / 0-)

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      was the focal point in the battle over the fine print of FISA.  I had a couple sitdowns with my Cong. of the time, Bob Kastenmeier, who fought the Carter Administration over time limits, etc, prevailing on some points, details escape me.

      Running against Herb "WIRETAP" Kohl in 2012. $1/year. Cash preferred.
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      by ben masel on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:54:30 PM PDT

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  •  mcjoan, you're good (9+ / 0-)

    The author of this piece is so thorough and thoughtful, and doing valuable work. Thank you!

  •  I always wondered... (2+ / 0-)

    what's in it for Cheney? Cheney knew he was never going to be President. Will McCain ask Cheney to be his running mate? Probably not. His ideals only seem fit for a dictatorship not a democracy.

    I never could understand why Cheney would want to increase the power of the executive office and unbalance the trilateral model of the Founding Fathers.

    What is his reasoning?

    If (when) a Democrat gets elected this fall, will this uber-powerful unitary executive posture be acceptable to minority Republican party or will they hobble it like they hobbled the Clinton presidency?

    Thanks for this excellent diary.

    •  Cheney seems to favor corporate power (2+ / 0-)

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      over people power. So, a strong CEO-type executive office is more predictable for business-interests than a body that must pay at least some slight attention to the wishes of the general public.

      -- We are just regular people informed on issues

      by mike101 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:26:07 PM PDT

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  •  Ford signed the Wiretap Act. (7+ / 0-)

    FISA was a step backward from this legislation, carving out an alternative procedure, with less due process, and more secrecy, than the Wiretap Act process. This came ouyt of the Truong case, wherfein the 4th Circuit approved a warantless tap on Presidential order ofd an alleged Vietnamese spy ring. Carter and the Congress responded to the ruling with FISA.

    (I had a ringside seat on Truong, one of the defense attorneys was representing me in an unrelated matter at the time. Truong was also notable for the first videotap via fiber optic.)

    Running against Herb "WIRETAP" Kohl in 2012. $1/year. Cash preferred.
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    by ben masel on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:48:20 PM PDT

    •  The secrecy is, of course, the major problem (3+ / 0-)

      with FISA. The FISC essentially has been a rubberstamp, but at this point, that's the line we have to hold between complete lawlessness and imperial rule, or the kind of country we've grown up believing we live in.

      "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

      by mcjoan on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:51:29 PM PDT

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      •  I can't find the text of Truong online. (1+ / 0-)

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        Anyone got Lexis?

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        by ben masel on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:56:49 PM PDT

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      •  Who appoints the FISA judges? (1+ / 0-)

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        Can Hillary beat McCain? Is she putting the SCOTUS at risk? And abortion rights?

        by Data Mining Telecom Fascist on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:52:32 PM PDT

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        •  From the very first link (1+ / 0-)

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          in the post:

          FISA established a special court, composed of seven federal district court judges appointed by the Chief Justice for staggered terms and are from different circuits. See 50 U.S.C.A. § 1803. Individual judges of the FISC review the Attorney General's applications for authorization of electronic surveillance aimed at obtaining foreign intelligence information. The proceedings are nonadversarial and are based solely on the DOJ's presentations through its Office of Intelligence Policy and Review.

          "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

          by mcjoan on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:01:35 PM PDT

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  •  Cheney comes from the CEO position of (4+ / 0-)

    imperial rule.  But as Obama reminded us: the government of the US is NOT a corporation.

  •  should be noted (8+ / 0-)

    senator church delayed his active participation in the 1976 presidential campaign, because he was busy with the fbi and cia hearings. the man had his priorities straight.

  •  The Shredding of the Paper Trail Will be Huge (0+ / 0-)

    I have few doubts that there will be many opinions that were a matter of policy that we may never see. After the way past presidents have covered the butts of those that came before them by not allowing investigations or providing information of the type you write about, it is hard to have much faith that thing will be different this time around.
    I have said before of Hillary or a Rep. is elected, the chances are next to nil. For all we know Obama may be just as bad, but we just don't know yet. Hopefully as we weed out the Blue Dogs, and gain more seats in COngress, the power of Congress will give them the sense they need to protect the poeple and out constitutional rights.

    One of your best mcjoan, as such , you better watch what you say on the phone, in emails, etc. Sy won't be the only they reach out for, if you know what I mean.

    President Theodore Roosevelt,"No man can take part in the torture of a human being without having his own moral nature permanently lowered."

    by SmileySam on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:52:25 PM PDT

    •  I didn't get into the whole other part of this (8+ / 0-)

      the private sector side. I think there's substantial backlash there as well that's contributing to the telco amnesty issue. Church spearheaded the investigations into ITT's illegal activities in Chile and collusion with the CIA there, as well as the oil companies collusion in the Saudi embargo in the early 70s. His work investigating multinationals was also groundbreaking, and another target to be undone.

      "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

      by mcjoan on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:57:30 PM PDT

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      •  Africa may give us another chance (1+ / 0-)

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        to get it right. Both South America and the African Continent are being used has playgrounds for those same multinational now. To date the Courts have pretty much covered their ass.
        Sooner or later that will fall apart for all to see.

        President Theodore Roosevelt,"No man can take part in the torture of a human being without having his own moral nature permanently lowered."

        by SmileySam on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:06:54 PM PDT

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  •  You might not need me to say this, but... (2+ / 0-)

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    ...this was a really good read.  Thanks for posting it.

  •  Consistency (3+ / 0-)

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    One thing you can say for Dick, he's consistent.

    True. Once a Dick, always a Dick.

  •  Thank YOU McJoan (4+ / 0-)

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    For keeping this story front and center.  The media are content to write this off as a political "dispute," with Bush saying one thing and the democrats saying something else.

    I'm happy you bring it to the front page where ALL can see and read the truthful facts.

    If the measure of good leadership during a war is how many times the leader visited the country, that would explain why Bush has been a miserable failure.

    by gooderservice on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:59:16 PM PDT

  •  I have no idea what Rockefeller's agenda is (2+ / 0-)

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    but he is involved with the negotiations.

    I am guessing the House is using it as leverage to get something they want.

    Clinton: Obama Untested, Just Like Bush Was

    by gotalife on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:59:35 PM PDT

  •  ‘AS IF’, ‘AS IF’, AS IF (0+ / 0-)

    Fockereller, mied juist havit bagvords.
    Yaj Yaj, Cremodats; Inkilogence? MayBNo.

    This time it's personal.

    by apostrophe on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:02:10 PM PDT

  •  Who says (2+ / 0-)

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    Republicans don't do irony?

    Here's Henry the K, war criminal extraordinaire, calling Frank Church a "scourge":

    Henry Kissinger, who later described Church as "our scourge on Vietnam

    Excellent article, mcjoan.

    The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips

    by Mnemosyne on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:03:36 PM PDT

  •  Rockefeller's motivation (3+ / 0-)

    YThe canmpaign contributions are indeed petty-ante by his standards. More interesting, perhaps, his, or family's holdings in telco shares, and the other companies that would suffer if ATT went into bankruptcy. As I connect the dots, potential civil liability exceeds a trillion dollars.

    Wiretap Act provides for statutory damages of $10,000 per plaintiff, times perhaps over 100 million who had their call records turned over. Provisions on "pen registers" require a certification by trhe AG. I suspect it was this certification that lapsesd in  the Comey/Ashcroft hospital episode.

    Running against Herb "WIRETAP" Kohl in 2012. $1/year. Cash preferred.
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    by ben masel on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:04:45 PM PDT

    •  why not Presidential Pardon for telcos (0+ / 0-)

      IF they are convicted?

      Because.....the legal process, if started, could reveal the spying against political opponents, and other innocent parties not related to the blanket excuse of 'war on terror'......

      Who knows, maybe even wiretapping businesses to gain competitive advantage for cronies, too?

      Best Diary of the Year? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/23/03912/3990

      by LNK on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:49:55 PM PDT

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  •  Gawd. (3+ / 0-)

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    It reads like an outline for an Oliver Stone movie. IMHO, mcjoan, you are dKos' MVP. Thanks.

    •  Not seriously, if at all (1+ / 0-)

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      Where's Carnacki when we need him? He'd know.

      "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

      by mcjoan on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:30:21 PM PDT

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  •  Charlie Savage's book (1+ / 0-)

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    Takeover: The Return of the Imperial Presidency and the Subversion of American Democracy is also a must-read.

    The meek are ready to probate.

    by ironpath on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:12:48 PM PDT

  •  But wait! (2+ / 0-)

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    President Carter was a HORRIBLE President... right?

    hm.   :)

  •  And to think (3+ / 0-)

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    that 50MM+ people voted for these creeps.  Twice!!!
    The whole behavioral tone of this administration matches what I usually refer to as "macho bullshit", which, in essence, goes like this:

    "You ain't a man unless you're kickin' ass!!"

    One line in the diary above really brought this home to me, once again:  The White House's assertion that the Church committee's investigations had left the U.S. intelligence community "naked before our enemies".  Sound familiar?

    (Sigh....)  Will no one rid us of these insufferable scoundrels?

    George!!  Go to your room!!

    Liberal = We're all in this together
    Conservative = Every man for himself
    Who you gonna call?

  •  I have bookmarked this diary (4+ / 0-)

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    for the sole purpose of forwarding to those who ask why I waste any time reading DailyKos -- it happens more than I thought would be possible considering my select group of friends and acquaintances.

    Thank you, mcjoan.  And especially, thank you for that incredible signing statement by Carter.  To remember back to what the rule of law actually looked like is quite a trip.

    My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:23:08 PM PDT

  •  Great Diary mcjoan (2+ / 0-)

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    "The Conservatives definition of torture: Anything that provides death or false information from its captive." Me 2007

    by army193 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:24:10 PM PDT

  •  Gutting FISA is a two-headed monster. (4+ / 0-)

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    Most obvious is Cheney's attempt to install the unitary executive, including the ability to install citizen surveillance.  But the unitary executive doesn't exist YET, and the Whitehouse, under Cheney influence, is still vulnerable to Congressional oversight.  Assuming, of course, that Congress chooses to oversee what the Whitehouse is doing.

    I think this is the real motivation behind the immunity clauses in the FISA bill; immunity not just for the telecoms who helped spy in us, but also for government agencies and personnel who participated.  

    So what is it that the Whitehouse doesn't want investigated?

    My belief is that they are trying to hide the extent and origin of the surveillance activities.  I've written a few diaries about this.  I've read reports, and the ACLU is currently trying to review actual documentation, that the AT&T warrantless wiretapping utilized technology and equipment from the Total Information Awareness program (TIA) which John Poindexter tried to implement back in 2002-2004.  Senate killed it (thanks, Sens. Feingold and Wyden) in 2004, and it was supposed to be completely cancelled but there are rumors that several pieces were moved to other programs, despite the Senate bill to can them.  And THAT'S what they're hiding.

    If only someone in power could hear me and investigate...

    Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connaît point. (The heart has its reasons, which reason does not know.) ~ Blaise Pascal

    by nwreader on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:26:12 PM PDT

  •  HUMOR: Great Fiore Cartoon on FISA (1+ / 0-)

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    Check this out.  It is funny and oh, so True!

    Mark Fiore on FISA

  •  Fill-in the blank. (2+ / 0-)

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    We don't know the answers to [Blank]. We don't know because the Senate has not investigated.